Melanie:
Welcome abroad! Happy to hear that you appreciated my
Taliaferro site.
Olivier wrote:
>>But, I mean, the ducks are not Scandinavian
>>creations; there *was* a little something on Barks when
>>he died,
>>but it was very little and-- weirdest of all-- they kept
>>repeating he invented Donald (which is not true) but
>>never said a word about Uncle Scrooge!
And Timo Ronkainen replied:
>Really!? In France? In Finland information was correct and
>the death of Barks was mentioned in all major prime time
>news.
I have collected the various notifications, articles etc.
that appeared in newspapers, the Internet and TV when Barks
died that I could find (not only from France, but in all
countries)
http://mailotron.forez.com/coa/barks/news.html
It seems to me that most French medias did a good work
(except maybe Le Monde which was very disapointing - only a
few lines). Most of the time they refered to Barks as "The
*real* father of Donald" which is a statement I can't
disagree with.
Favio
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Thierry Fernand
DCML digest, Vol 1 #484 - 13 msgs
Message 241 -
2001-04-18 at 21:59:31
Shelley Hanson/KlezmerAllThatJazz
Female members; thanks
Message 242 -
2001-04-18 at 22:05:04
Olivier wrote:
I've been wondering. Are there many female members?
Answer: yes.
Francesco, thank you for info re Italian ducks. Interesting that in Italia
Grandma and Scrooge are translated as brother and sister. (And odd, as U.S.
residents would automatically assume a (probably midwestern) "farm" accent
for Grandma, while Scrooge is very much not from a farm -- clearly NOT
brother and sister to U.S. readers. Also Scrooge is on occasion puzzled by
things at the farm, so that is not his background.)
I've been wondering. Are there many female members?
Answer: yes.
Francesco, thank you for info re Italian ducks. Interesting that in Italia
Grandma and Scrooge are translated as brother and sister. (And odd, as U.S.
residents would automatically assume a (probably midwestern) "farm" accent
for Grandma, while Scrooge is very much not from a farm -- clearly NOT
brother and sister to U.S. readers. Also Scrooge is on occasion puzzled by
things at the farm, so that is not his background.)
Even Flood
Anti-Duck article in Norwegian Newspaper
Message 243 -
2001-04-18 at 22:07:45
Folks,
Earlier today Niels asked about an article against
Duckburg in a Norwegian newspaper. The article
was yesterday, 17th of April, in our largest paper, VG and a
full page it was. Title was "We who despised Duckburg" and
the author is Sigurd Ohrem (Ptui, ptui, ptui) - described as
an author and researcher of culture. It is on p. 43.
I will not translate the thing - it is too long and he
writes convolved and confusing.
His objections are many - he looks behind the
facade and find disturbing things. One is the total lack
of family and sex life, wich must hide something
dark. Another is Donald's and Scrooge's obsession
with money as their common drive for action. They
both want it, and it has a symbolical meaning.
Quote: "Money is objects for collection, motivational symbol
and sacrament of redemption in this pre-oedipal
quasi process, which of course never leads to anything else
than successfull reader socialisation in the best Buena Vista
spirit. The show must go on." The article has more stuff like that.
Going on to Mickey Mouse, he is the antithesis to the
"brave and well adjusted ducks", he is the smart detective
that never detects anything that can be dangerous to the
system. His loyality to the totally incompetent chief of the
police is one of the great mysteries of the world litterature,
unless it is a father neurosis from Mickey". And then,
"Anyway, Mickey is the origin of the expression
"the usual suspects"" (The last is in English and obviously
he has not seen "Casablanca" either.)
It might be concluded that this is a spoof. But it does not
seem so, the guy is really hopping mad and disgusted
with the Disney, Buena Vista and the whole thing. He seems
quite serious.
Good grief.
Even
Even Flood, Senior Research Librarian
http://www.ub.ntnu.no/diane/
"Come, and take choice of all my library, and so beguile thy sorrow."
(Shakespeare)
Earlier today Niels asked about an article against
Duckburg in a Norwegian newspaper. The article
was yesterday, 17th of April, in our largest paper, VG and a
full page it was. Title was "We who despised Duckburg" and
the author is Sigurd Ohrem (Ptui, ptui, ptui) - described as
an author and researcher of culture. It is on p. 43.
I will not translate the thing - it is too long and he
writes convolved and confusing.
His objections are many - he looks behind the
facade and find disturbing things. One is the total lack
of family and sex life, wich must hide something
dark. Another is Donald's and Scrooge's obsession
with money as their common drive for action. They
both want it, and it has a symbolical meaning.
Quote: "Money is objects for collection, motivational symbol
and sacrament of redemption in this pre-oedipal
quasi process, which of course never leads to anything else
than successfull reader socialisation in the best Buena Vista
spirit. The show must go on." The article has more stuff like that.
Going on to Mickey Mouse, he is the antithesis to the
"brave and well adjusted ducks", he is the smart detective
that never detects anything that can be dangerous to the
system. His loyality to the totally incompetent chief of the
police is one of the great mysteries of the world litterature,
unless it is a father neurosis from Mickey". And then,
"Anyway, Mickey is the origin of the expression
"the usual suspects"" (The last is in English and obviously
he has not seen "Casablanca" either.)
It might be concluded that this is a spoof. But it does not
seem so, the guy is really hopping mad and disgusted
with the Disney, Buena Vista and the whole thing. He seems
quite serious.
Good grief.
Even
Even Flood, Senior Research Librarian
http://www.ub.ntnu.no/diane/
"Come, and take choice of all my library, and so beguile thy sorrow."
(Shakespeare)
Francesco Spreafico
Zio Paperone #139
Message 244 -
2001-04-18 at 22:10:50
Here I come with my new monthly column about Zio Paperone.
First a note: it seems to me that lately there are less and less articles
on Zio Paperone and this is bad! I hoe it is only a coincidence due to no
space left by long stories, or somthing like that, because one of the
things that make Zio Paperone great are Luca's and Alberto's articles.
On this one, only one short article unfortunately.
Anyway:
- Cover by Marco Rota inspired by Barks' "Volcano Valley"
- Letter page, with questions for Don Rosa alredy reported here by Armando
and Anders.
- An Errata Corrige for a wrong credit in last issue, about a Kinney/Scarpa
story that actually was a Kinney/CHENDI/Scarpa story, but we induksers
already knew ;-)
- The short article about Barks' "Volcano Valley", by Luca Boschi, also
reprinting the cover by Carl Von Buettner where the story first appeared.
Luca also notices in the article that this is onlt the second real Ialian
reprint, because earlier reprints were not from the original Barks' art,
but traced.
- Barks' "Volcano Valley"
- "Paperino e l'ora dell'oro", written by Guido Martina and art by Romano
Scarpa. 7th story drawn by Scarpa, his third starring ducks (this means
that it's very old, 1955), still the art is already beautiful.
- "Paperino e il pozzo di petrolio" art by Jack Bradbury from Donald Duck
37, 9/19 1954. some panels of the story come straight from an original
colored reprint.
- "Zio Paperone Due nipoti, nessun profitto", that is to say "Nobody's
Business", that was still unpublished here. Well, what a wonderful gag in
the last panel.
- "Paperino Uno scherzo mal riuscito", Barks' one-pager from Four Color
187, 12/47 (a guy on a car asks for Donald to Donald and he sends him
'round the block joiking him)
- "Paperino Troppa... classe!", Barks' one-pager from Four Color 187, 12/47
(Donald puts a sunshade(?) on his car and.. flies on a tree).
Besides the lack of articles, a really good issue. Nobody's business,
Scarpa's "Ora dell'oro" (that hadn't been reprinted for oh so long, not
counting Big Orange Comic Art Books) and a very good Bradbury story.
--
Sprea
http://digilander.iol.it/sgrizzo (Scarpa)
http://heinlein.cjb.net (RAH)
First a note: it seems to me that lately there are less and less articles
on Zio Paperone and this is bad! I hoe it is only a coincidence due to no
space left by long stories, or somthing like that, because one of the
things that make Zio Paperone great are Luca's and Alberto's articles.
On this one, only one short article unfortunately.
Anyway:
- Cover by Marco Rota inspired by Barks' "Volcano Valley"
- Letter page, with questions for Don Rosa alredy reported here by Armando
and Anders.
- An Errata Corrige for a wrong credit in last issue, about a Kinney/Scarpa
story that actually was a Kinney/CHENDI/Scarpa story, but we induksers
already knew ;-)
- The short article about Barks' "Volcano Valley", by Luca Boschi, also
reprinting the cover by Carl Von Buettner where the story first appeared.
Luca also notices in the article that this is onlt the second real Ialian
reprint, because earlier reprints were not from the original Barks' art,
but traced.
- Barks' "Volcano Valley"
- "Paperino e l'ora dell'oro", written by Guido Martina and art by Romano
Scarpa. 7th story drawn by Scarpa, his third starring ducks (this means
that it's very old, 1955), still the art is already beautiful.
- "Paperino e il pozzo di petrolio" art by Jack Bradbury from Donald Duck
37, 9/19 1954. some panels of the story come straight from an original
colored reprint.
- "Zio Paperone Due nipoti, nessun profitto", that is to say "Nobody's
Business", that was still unpublished here. Well, what a wonderful gag in
the last panel.
- "Paperino Uno scherzo mal riuscito", Barks' one-pager from Four Color
187, 12/47 (a guy on a car asks for Donald to Donald and he sends him
'round the block joiking him)
- "Paperino Troppa... classe!", Barks' one-pager from Four Color 187, 12/47
(Donald puts a sunshade(?) on his car and.. flies on a tree).
Besides the lack of articles, a really good issue. Nobody's business,
Scarpa's "Ora dell'oro" (that hadn't been reprinted for oh so long, not
counting Big Orange Comic Art Books) and a very good Bradbury story.
--
Sprea
http://digilander.iol.it/sgrizzo (Scarpa)
http://heinlein.cjb.net (RAH)
Timo Ronkainen
Barks tribute books
Message 245 -
2001-04-18 at 23:15:03
Who wrote article/s to Swedish/Danish/Norwegian Barks 100 book?
I can´t find any info about these books in official Disney-pages anymore. No
sight of them after that Barks-birthday week when they had that voting thing
there. Do not they want to sell/advertise those books? Same goes with the
Italian Barks tribute book. Disney.it does have nothing about that.. odd...
Nothing but coloring books and some activity books for kiddies..
Timo
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I can´t find any info about these books in official Disney-pages anymore. No
sight of them after that Barks-birthday week when they had that voting thing
there. Do not they want to sell/advertise those books? Same goes with the
Italian Barks tribute book. Disney.it does have nothing about that.. odd...
Nothing but coloring books and some activity books for kiddies..
Timo
^^''*''^^
Cartoonist - writer - donaldist -
Timo Ronkainen ---------------- -
YO-kylä 52 A 26 --------------- -
20540 Turku ------------------- -
Finland ----------------------- -
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http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/timoro/
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Olivier
Whooops...
Message 246 -
2001-04-18 at 23:29:29
Sorry, did it again.
Mixed up addresses.
And html code everywhere!
So you get to see where I live.
And this morning I almost added a proud
"Hey! No more mailing mistakes" to my message...
Most apologetically yours,
Olivier
Mixed up addresses.
And html code everywhere!
So you get to see where I live.
And this morning I almost added a proud
"Hey! No more mailing mistakes" to my message...
Most apologetically yours,
Olivier
DGE
Anti-Duck article in Norwegian Newspaper
Message 247 -
2001-04-19 at 00:06:08
Hey Even!
I can't resist responding to that Norwegian article!
>Mickey Mouse [...] is the antithesis to the
>"brave and well adjusted ducks", he is the smart detective
>that never detects anything that can be dangerous to the
>system.
While some of the author's objections to the Ducks may be a little
whacked out, I actually think this is a very *good* argument against certain
types of traditional Mickey Mouse stories!
Gottfredson's Mickey was a "Mouse Against The World," who might help
a (somewhat less-incompetent than later on) Chief O' Hara now and then, but
who was also opposed, very often, to a stiflingly pompous and bureaucratic -
and occasionally corrupt - system. Mickey's a little scrap of a guy; the
little guy is supposed to be fighting against the status quo, not for it all
the time. I think the best Mickey creators of today bring back this tension:
in which Mickey's universe seems so much more blisteringly real, and in
which the Mouse himself is freed from his authority figure status.
It would be great if this Norwegian writer would take a look at the
new stuff that's being done, but maybe he got scared off long ago. Who
knows?
Best,
David
I can't resist responding to that Norwegian article!
>Mickey Mouse [...] is the antithesis to the
>"brave and well adjusted ducks", he is the smart detective
>that never detects anything that can be dangerous to the
>system.
While some of the author's objections to the Ducks may be a little
whacked out, I actually think this is a very *good* argument against certain
types of traditional Mickey Mouse stories!
Gottfredson's Mickey was a "Mouse Against The World," who might help
a (somewhat less-incompetent than later on) Chief O' Hara now and then, but
who was also opposed, very often, to a stiflingly pompous and bureaucratic -
and occasionally corrupt - system. Mickey's a little scrap of a guy; the
little guy is supposed to be fighting against the status quo, not for it all
the time. I think the best Mickey creators of today bring back this tension:
in which Mickey's universe seems so much more blisteringly real, and in
which the Mouse himself is freed from his authority figure status.
It would be great if this Norwegian writer would take a look at the
new stuff that's being done, but maybe he got scared off long ago. Who
knows?
Best,
David
Teemu.Merikumpu
Of thiefs, times and destinies
Message 248 -
2001-04-19 at 00:43:22
Hi everybody!
Just read through something like billion years worth of dcml digests. Just
a thought occured to me when I was reading. Angelo Toti, everyone's favourite
contributor, does provide a nice alternate viewpoint to copyright conversation
that was going on a few months ago.
Don't say it; yep, disney isn't an artist and you can't morally speaking
steal from it when it has already (practically) stolen its material from
the true artists. I agree.
Just a thought - just a different side of the coin. I guess?
Well, happy post-easter week to all and to all a good night (yep, I'm tired)
Teemu
________________________________________
Hanki Suomi24.fi-s?hk?posti - ilmainen ja aina k?yt?ss?si!
Just read through something like billion years worth of dcml digests. Just
a thought occured to me when I was reading. Angelo Toti, everyone's favourite
contributor, does provide a nice alternate viewpoint to copyright conversation
that was going on a few months ago.
Don't say it; yep, disney isn't an artist and you can't morally speaking
steal from it when it has already (practically) stolen its material from
the true artists. I agree.
Just a thought - just a different side of the coin. I guess?
Well, happy post-easter week to all and to all a good night (yep, I'm tired)
Teemu
________________________________________
Hanki Suomi24.fi-s?hk?posti - ilmainen ja aina k?yt?ss?si!
Fernando Ventura
Olaf Solstrand: A Funny story about me!!!
Message 249 -
2001-04-19 at 03:16:14
Olaf sad:
">Fernando, here's a funny story about you:
>When you said that you're a story writer yourself, I thought "Oh my god,
>where have I heard his name before? I must have read thousands of Fernando
>stories!" I went to the store to buy the newest Donald Duck & Co, and
>searched the entire magazine for stories signed "Fernando". I found none.
>Then I made an internet search to find out which stories you had written -
>so that I could think back on them and think "Oh my god, THAT was Fernando?
>Wow, I remember that story, it was good..." When I found out that you have
>only written Jose Carreras-stories that never has been released in Norway,
I
>was a little bit embarrased... I have no idea who I mixed you up with..."
Uf!!! After an hour and a half reading the mails from the list of today, I
can write one too! :)
Probably you confused my name with Fernando Bonini, or, probably, Fernando
G?ell...
This is funny! I'm much more a fan, than an artist! The best way when I
listen a "new" name of a creator, on this list, for example, is to going
check it on the Inducks, and see if some of his histories are published here
in Brazil...! Or, and I think this can be include on the "new things to
talk" discussion, when I read here(DCML), about a creator that I'm not
familiar with, I also check the Inducks, since many histories from many
countries are published here, I probably "know" the artist, not by name, but
by his style!
You sad that I have only wroten Jose Carreras stories...NO!!! Jos? Carioca,
Rio de Janeiro, Brazil! Or, as we say for short, just Z? Carioca...! ;)
Hum, in fact, I think it's a GREAT SHAME that the brazilian Carioca stories
are not published on al the European countries...I'm excluding here Italy
and Portugal...! I'm not talkign about MY fan comics, but about the MANY,
MANY others good stories that are created here! I can say many names? Yes,
let's see some of then:
Paulo Borges, Arthur Faria Jr, Gerson Teixeira, Renato Canini, Carlos
Herrero, Kaled Kaliu Kambour, Euclides Miyaura and many, many, many
others...!!!
I have wrotte some Mice and Duck, but nothing came to the newstands with
then yet...and I'm sure my DRAW style will not be aprecciate by many Duck
fans around here, since many of then dislike the italian style...and my own
is very different, peculiar, and...with lot's of distortioned
characters...!!! I specially like NEW styles, so you can imagine a crazy
fan, "trying" to write and draw Disney histories, thinking on it, at a
drawign table, with his boss and the editor becomign cazy too...
Well, I hope someone like's...who knows?
Sometimes I think, if I'm not the artist of it, I will probably hate it! ;)
Fernando!
">Fernando, here's a funny story about you:
>When you said that you're a story writer yourself, I thought "Oh my god,
>where have I heard his name before? I must have read thousands of Fernando
>stories!" I went to the store to buy the newest Donald Duck & Co, and
>searched the entire magazine for stories signed "Fernando". I found none.
>Then I made an internet search to find out which stories you had written -
>so that I could think back on them and think "Oh my god, THAT was Fernando?
>Wow, I remember that story, it was good..." When I found out that you have
>only written Jose Carreras-stories that never has been released in Norway,
I
>was a little bit embarrased... I have no idea who I mixed you up with..."
Uf!!! After an hour and a half reading the mails from the list of today, I
can write one too! :)
Probably you confused my name with Fernando Bonini, or, probably, Fernando
G?ell...
This is funny! I'm much more a fan, than an artist! The best way when I
listen a "new" name of a creator, on this list, for example, is to going
check it on the Inducks, and see if some of his histories are published here
in Brazil...! Or, and I think this can be include on the "new things to
talk" discussion, when I read here(DCML), about a creator that I'm not
familiar with, I also check the Inducks, since many histories from many
countries are published here, I probably "know" the artist, not by name, but
by his style!
You sad that I have only wroten Jose Carreras stories...NO!!! Jos? Carioca,
Rio de Janeiro, Brazil! Or, as we say for short, just Z? Carioca...! ;)
Hum, in fact, I think it's a GREAT SHAME that the brazilian Carioca stories
are not published on al the European countries...I'm excluding here Italy
and Portugal...! I'm not talkign about MY fan comics, but about the MANY,
MANY others good stories that are created here! I can say many names? Yes,
let's see some of then:
Paulo Borges, Arthur Faria Jr, Gerson Teixeira, Renato Canini, Carlos
Herrero, Kaled Kaliu Kambour, Euclides Miyaura and many, many, many
others...!!!
I have wrotte some Mice and Duck, but nothing came to the newstands with
then yet...and I'm sure my DRAW style will not be aprecciate by many Duck
fans around here, since many of then dislike the italian style...and my own
is very different, peculiar, and...with lot's of distortioned
characters...!!! I specially like NEW styles, so you can imagine a crazy
fan, "trying" to write and draw Disney histories, thinking on it, at a
drawign table, with his boss and the editor becomign cazy too...
Well, I hope someone like's...who knows?
Sometimes I think, if I'm not the artist of it, I will probably hate it! ;)
Fernando!
Thierry Fernand
Donald's "real" father
Message 250 -
2001-04-19 at 03:33:37
Olivier:
>>>Most of the time they refered to Barks as "The *real*
>>>father of Donald" which is a statement I can't disagree
>>>with
>Well, how *can* you *agree* with it?
I can :-)
>Bruce Hamilton wrote something on the subject in the DD
>special 60th Anniversary issue (DD 286, Sept '94), "Will
>the First Donald Duck Please Stand Up?". Barks did a great
>job fleshing out the character.
>But what about Taliaffero? Even his Donald remains a
>slapstick comic character,
>he did a great job too.
At this point I think this is a matter of wordings and what
people mean by "the real father of Donald Duck".
Donald's fathers are of course the authors of the first
Donald cartoons (I don't mind about the earlier ducks that
appear here and there in children books and such).
Carl Barks began to "build" his Donald Duck in 1943
("Donald Duck Finds Pirate Gold" doesn't count IMhO, this
is a cartoon recycled product).
In the meantime, Taliaferro made his own duck, and so did
Federico Pedrocchi, and the British authors (William Ward?)
in 1936.
BUT, these versions were not followed by the other artists.
Taliaferro was a great artist, one of my favourite, but his
duck remained strips only, with a few exception (the early
Danish works by Rydhal, the early Italian works by
Carpi/Bottaro/Scarpa who first didn't consider Barks' duck
as the real duck).
If you except those versions, Barks' is THE version of
Donald Duck that artists followed. In my opinion, it does
not mind that Barks started to draw stories even 10 or 20
years after the character was created, because he imposed
his version like no other artist / author ever did.
I believed, that if Taliaferro had been allowed to make
continuities, or draw more stories for the comic books, his
version would be much more "canonical" nowadays.
Favio
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>>>Most of the time they refered to Barks as "The *real*
>>>father of Donald" which is a statement I can't disagree
>>>with
>Well, how *can* you *agree* with it?
I can :-)
>Bruce Hamilton wrote something on the subject in the DD
>special 60th Anniversary issue (DD 286, Sept '94), "Will
>the First Donald Duck Please Stand Up?". Barks did a great
>job fleshing out the character.
>But what about Taliaffero? Even his Donald remains a
>slapstick comic character,
>he did a great job too.
At this point I think this is a matter of wordings and what
people mean by "the real father of Donald Duck".
Donald's fathers are of course the authors of the first
Donald cartoons (I don't mind about the earlier ducks that
appear here and there in children books and such).
Carl Barks began to "build" his Donald Duck in 1943
("Donald Duck Finds Pirate Gold" doesn't count IMhO, this
is a cartoon recycled product).
In the meantime, Taliaferro made his own duck, and so did
Federico Pedrocchi, and the British authors (William Ward?)
in 1936.
BUT, these versions were not followed by the other artists.
Taliaferro was a great artist, one of my favourite, but his
duck remained strips only, with a few exception (the early
Danish works by Rydhal, the early Italian works by
Carpi/Bottaro/Scarpa who first didn't consider Barks' duck
as the real duck).
If you except those versions, Barks' is THE version of
Donald Duck that artists followed. In my opinion, it does
not mind that Barks started to draw stories even 10 or 20
years after the character was created, because he imposed
his version like no other artist / author ever did.
I believed, that if Taliaferro had been allowed to make
continuities, or draw more stories for the comic books, his
version would be much more "canonical" nowadays.
Favio
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Fernando Ventura
Who around here...
Message 251 -
2001-04-19 at 03:43:08
...is a fan of the brazilan histories?! This came on me, after reading this
last discussion...!
I know very well two of then, Francois Willot and Rich Belaccera, and I know
few others, like Paulo Melo and Paolo Castagno that are very familiar with
ower comics and stories, but I don't know if they enjoy then a lot, as the
two previous one's!!! And I know a lot of people here that just saw few
brazilian production, so can't say nothign in any way!
Except by Arthur Faria Jr, Francois, Rich, Paulo and Paolo and me there are
more Disney Comics brazilian fans around the mailign list?
I'm just curious about it! :)
Melanie Cerruti :
>I'm new to the list, and after lurking a few months
>there, I must say this is the best and most friendly
>place on the web I have ever seen!
I agree with you! Nice to see new members!
Fernando!
(Tomorrow I will try to find the comics I promissed to some friends around
here, I'm sure to find some of then... ;)
last discussion...!
I know very well two of then, Francois Willot and Rich Belaccera, and I know
few others, like Paulo Melo and Paolo Castagno that are very familiar with
ower comics and stories, but I don't know if they enjoy then a lot, as the
two previous one's!!! And I know a lot of people here that just saw few
brazilian production, so can't say nothign in any way!
Except by Arthur Faria Jr, Francois, Rich, Paulo and Paolo and me there are
more Disney Comics brazilian fans around the mailign list?
I'm just curious about it! :)
Melanie Cerruti :
>I'm new to the list, and after lurking a few months
>there, I must say this is the best and most friendly
>place on the web I have ever seen!
I agree with you! Nice to see new members!
Fernando!
(Tomorrow I will try to find the comics I promissed to some friends around
here, I'm sure to find some of then... ;)
Thierry Fernand
The Disney production in France
Message 252 -
2001-04-19 at 03:46:32
I agree that the quality of stories produced by Hachette
Disney Presse is very low. The stories (scripts) are very
disappointing, with a few exceptions.
Fabien Velhmann is a very good new young author -
unfortunately he stopped his collaboration a few months ago.
There are some very good Hachette artists from Spain:
Angelo Rodriguez, Conrado Lazaro and Bernado.
These authors also worked (on and off) for VNU in the
Netherlands, and have been in the Comicup studio for at
least 8 years. Their early works were very bad, but they
have acquired a good style now.
Problem is (IMhO) with the quality of the scripts. The only
good Hachette period was I think with Motti and Gen-Clo in
the late 80s. I didn't like much the beginning of the "new"
production in the early 80s (with Marin doing superb
artworks but stories looking like not very good Murry-ish
adventures). The mid 90s was the worst ever (with lots of
very bad young Studio artists, and many new caracters).
This is getting slightly better. Michel Souris is not a
very good character, but think of Zarato the evil magician
that Fabian Velhmann created - make me think of Faraci.
Favio
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Disney Presse is very low. The stories (scripts) are very
disappointing, with a few exceptions.
Fabien Velhmann is a very good new young author -
unfortunately he stopped his collaboration a few months ago.
There are some very good Hachette artists from Spain:
Angelo Rodriguez, Conrado Lazaro and Bernado.
These authors also worked (on and off) for VNU in the
Netherlands, and have been in the Comicup studio for at
least 8 years. Their early works were very bad, but they
have acquired a good style now.
Problem is (IMhO) with the quality of the scripts. The only
good Hachette period was I think with Motti and Gen-Clo in
the late 80s. I didn't like much the beginning of the "new"
production in the early 80s (with Marin doing superb
artworks but stories looking like not very good Murry-ish
adventures). The mid 90s was the worst ever (with lots of
very bad young Studio artists, and many new caracters).
This is getting slightly better. Michel Souris is not a
very good character, but think of Zarato the evil magician
that Fabian Velhmann created - make me think of Faraci.
Favio
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WL Lilly
Don's dissillusioning 1980 experience .
Message 253 -
2001-04-19 at 04:51:38
Was that person James Van Hise , the editor of RBCC
( that you found out " took $900.00 " . ) ?
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( that you found out " took $900.00 " . ) ?
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WL Lilly
" How To Read.." Book ?
Message 254 -
2001-04-19 at 04:54:37
Can anybody give me any details
about the book " How To Read Donald Duck " ( I think
that that was its title . ) , since we're talking
about anti-Disney writings - a book published in the
1970s .
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about the book " How To Read Donald Duck " ( I think
that that was its title . ) , since we're talking
about anti-Disney writings - a book published in the
1970s .
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Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices
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Rob Klein
Gottfredson's Mickey Strips
Message 255 -
2001-04-19 at 08:42:11
Olivier mentioned that he is reluctant to discuss Gottfredson's Mickey
strips because too few people have access to them. Please DO discuss them.
I am sure that many of us are interested. Yes, it is true that certain
portions have not been reprinted in many countries, but many have. In the
Netherlands several have been reprinted in Mickey Maandblad. Many have
been reprinted in Germany and Scandinavia. The Italians printed many of
the stories in a great series (I believe it was called "Albi Di Oro"? (not
sure of title)). I would love to learn more of others' opinions on those
great stories (EVEN if the discussions were at first confined to a few
knowledgeable and interested members). let us not limit ourselves. I've
enjoyed very much David's comments on those subjects so far. It would be
nice to have more dialogue back and forth with more participation. Ciao,
Rob Klein
strips because too few people have access to them. Please DO discuss them.
I am sure that many of us are interested. Yes, it is true that certain
portions have not been reprinted in many countries, but many have. In the
Netherlands several have been reprinted in Mickey Maandblad. Many have
been reprinted in Germany and Scandinavia. The Italians printed many of
the stories in a great series (I believe it was called "Albi Di Oro"? (not
sure of title)). I would love to learn more of others' opinions on those
great stories (EVEN if the discussions were at first confined to a few
knowledgeable and interested members). let us not limit ourselves. I've
enjoyed very much David's comments on those subjects so far. It would be
nice to have more dialogue back and forth with more participation. Ciao,
Rob Klein