Some Italian membrer can explain me the new Paperinik title PK? ?!
What is the difference between this new title and PNA? I watched the Quick
Time on the Disney italian site, but it didn't explain, or show nothign
different!
"Quando il gioco si fa duro, PK non basta pi?!
Un' eroe, al'enesima potenza!" Ok, ad so what? ;)
I also like to know if some italian member wants to trade the first's two or
three numbers of this new magazine with brazilian Disney comics.
Thanks!!!
Fernando!
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Fernando Ventura
PK al Quadrato?!
Message 31 -
2001-04-04 at 02:06:43
Francesco Spreafico
PK al Quadrato?!
Message 32 -
2001-04-04 at 02:16:50
From: "Fernando Ventura" <fernandopventura at uol.com.br>
> Some Italian membrer can explain me the new Paperinik title PK² ?!
> What is the difference between this new title and PNA? I watched the
Quick
> Time on the Disney italian site, but it didn't explain, or show nothign
> different!
Actually.. there's nothing really different. Commercial reasons made them
change the title I think.
A little difference can be that now there's only one common plot in which
all the single stories take part, and not one issue - one story as it was
before, but that's too soon to tell, it just seems so so far.
And, yes, Duklair's back from Tibet, he's bad, he's turned off the
computer (don't know his Brazilian name) and kicked PK out of the
Ducklair's Tower, but this alone wouldn't need a new title IMHO :-)
> I also like to know if some italian member wants to trade the first's
two or
> three numbers of this new magazine with brazilian Disney comics.
Maybe a little too late for this, I could get you issue #3 (if you don't
find somebody who can get you all three), but the previous ones are not
easy to find now I think.
--
Francesco
> Some Italian membrer can explain me the new Paperinik title PK² ?!
> What is the difference between this new title and PNA? I watched the
Quick
> Time on the Disney italian site, but it didn't explain, or show nothign
> different!
Actually.. there's nothing really different. Commercial reasons made them
change the title I think.
A little difference can be that now there's only one common plot in which
all the single stories take part, and not one issue - one story as it was
before, but that's too soon to tell, it just seems so so far.
And, yes, Duklair's back from Tibet, he's bad, he's turned off the
computer (don't know his Brazilian name) and kicked PK out of the
Ducklair's Tower, but this alone wouldn't need a new title IMHO :-)
> I also like to know if some italian member wants to trade the first's
two or
> three numbers of this new magazine with brazilian Disney comics.
Maybe a little too late for this, I could get you issue #3 (if you don't
find somebody who can get you all three), but the previous ones are not
easy to find now I think.
--
Francesco
Kriton Kyrimis
DCML digest, Vol 1 #465 - 13 msgs
Message 33 -
2001-04-04 at 08:33:42
DANIEL:
> WDC 35, 1943 - the limber w guest ranch (again)
> In panel 7.1, Donald seems to long for alcoholic drinks: "Lemonade,
> limeade, ginger beer, root ale, malted soda... coca pop!..."
I believe that despite the use of the words "beer" and "ale", all
the drinks mentioned above are soft drinks. Of course, since I don't
think one can get addicted to soda pop (*), as Donald was in that story,
Barks was probably making oblique references to alcoholism. After all,
it's not the only time that Barks used soft drinks as a substitute for
alcoholic drinks. E.g., in the end of "Christmas on Bear Mountain",
Scrooge tells his butler to bring something to the kids, and another
round of lemonade for him and Donald. If it really were lemonade he was
ordering, he would have told the butler to bring some for the kids, too.
(*) Then why do I sometimes get a craving for something cold and fizzy?
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"You don't sit on the entire sum of human knowledge without learning a thing
or two."
-----
> WDC 35, 1943 - the limber w guest ranch (again)
> In panel 7.1, Donald seems to long for alcoholic drinks: "Lemonade,
> limeade, ginger beer, root ale, malted soda... coca pop!..."
I believe that despite the use of the words "beer" and "ale", all
the drinks mentioned above are soft drinks. Of course, since I don't
think one can get addicted to soda pop (*), as Donald was in that story,
Barks was probably making oblique references to alcoholism. After all,
it's not the only time that Barks used soft drinks as a substitute for
alcoholic drinks. E.g., in the end of "Christmas on Bear Mountain",
Scrooge tells his butler to bring something to the kids, and another
round of lemonade for him and Donald. If it really were lemonade he was
ordering, he would have told the butler to bring some for the kids, too.
(*) Then why do I sometimes get a craving for something cold and fizzy?
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"You don't sit on the entire sum of human knowledge without learning a thing
or two."
-----
Halsten Aastebol
The Coin (Goldie) , Don Rosa Quiz (Hint)
Message 34 -
2001-04-04 at 09:50:36
At 22:36 03.04.01 +0200, Olivier wrote:
>Don Rosa Quiz #1:
>"The Lone Ranger!"
>
>Hint:
> From a story that is part of a series.
I would guess it comes from one of the chapters in Life of Scrooge?
Halsten
>Don Rosa Quiz #1:
>"The Lone Ranger!"
>
>Hint:
> From a story that is part of a series.
I would guess it comes from one of the chapters in Life of Scrooge?
Halsten
DGE
Miscellaneous notes, part 1
Message 35 -
2001-04-04 at 10:56:30
Hey Daniel!
>WDC 35, 1943 - the limber w guest ranch (again)
>In panel 7.1, Donald seems to long for alcoholic drinks: "Lemonade,
>limeade, ginger beer, root ale, malted soda... coca pop!..."
These aren't alcoholic.
Root beer and ginger ale are typical American sodas, and I think
Donald is supposed to be getting the names confused (though it doesn't work
very well, as ginger beer is another word for ginger ale). A malted soda is
a malted *ice cream* soda, an American soda fountain drink. Coca pop is now
outdated slang for Coca-Cola type drinks.
>WDC 38, 1943 - Good Neighbors
>In panel 7.6, Donald says to his nephews: "Get me one of those
>firecrackers you're savin' for the fourth - the biggest one you have!"
>Could the saving of firecrackers be a reference to World War II?
I don't think so. But...
>BTW. Is the "fourth" a reference to the American "4th of July"?
You're right about *this* one. The nephews are stockpiling
firecrackers for the 4th of July, where the tradition is to spend the whole
evening setting them off. Here in Denmark, I find that people do this at New
Year's Eve instead.
>WDC 43, 1944 - Three Dirty Little Ducks
>Does this story contain the first appearance of Bolivar in a Barks story?
Yes.
Best wishes,
David
>WDC 35, 1943 - the limber w guest ranch (again)
>In panel 7.1, Donald seems to long for alcoholic drinks: "Lemonade,
>limeade, ginger beer, root ale, malted soda... coca pop!..."
These aren't alcoholic.
Root beer and ginger ale are typical American sodas, and I think
Donald is supposed to be getting the names confused (though it doesn't work
very well, as ginger beer is another word for ginger ale). A malted soda is
a malted *ice cream* soda, an American soda fountain drink. Coca pop is now
outdated slang for Coca-Cola type drinks.
>WDC 38, 1943 - Good Neighbors
>In panel 7.6, Donald says to his nephews: "Get me one of those
>firecrackers you're savin' for the fourth - the biggest one you have!"
>Could the saving of firecrackers be a reference to World War II?
I don't think so. But...
>BTW. Is the "fourth" a reference to the American "4th of July"?
You're right about *this* one. The nephews are stockpiling
firecrackers for the 4th of July, where the tradition is to spend the whole
evening setting them off. Here in Denmark, I find that people do this at New
Year's Eve instead.
>WDC 43, 1944 - Three Dirty Little Ducks
>Does this story contain the first appearance of Bolivar in a Barks story?
Yes.
Best wishes,
David
Olivier
Don Rosa Quiz 1 (Answer) ; Soda
Message 36 -
2001-04-04 at 11:47:28
Halsten:
>>I would guess it comes from one of the chapters in Life of Scrooge?
Yep.
I think there's more chances (almost) everybody has these stories
(the 12 "core" ones) than others.
David:
>>I guess this is LO$ #10?
Right!
Part 10, "The invader of Fort Duckburg", p 8 panel 6
(enter the Beagle Boys!).
>>(In the USA, Disney made Gladstone change this to Lone Stranger, due
>>to concerns about copyright of the name 'Lone Ranger').
Oh. Huh.
Er--
Yeah, right.
I misread it: I really read "Ranger". Sorry.
Kriton:
>>Barks was probably making oblique references to alcoholism. After all,
>>it's not the only time that Barks used soft drinks as a substitute for
>>alcoholic drinks. E.g., in the end of "Christmas on Bear Mountain" [...]
There's also the "Bubbleweight Champ" story (WDC&S 282, March '64, Album 49),
in which too much soda (Gurgleurp soda pop) has devastating consequences on
Donald and the Goosetown Woodchucks' champion, who usually drinks only
wild yak's milk. I'm not sure soda is really used as a substitute for alcohol here;
it's rather a joke on drinking too much of it.
For something close to intoxication, there's "Rip Van Donald" (WDC&S 112,
Jan '50, Album 17), with the ether-induced hallucinations at the end.
Olivier
>>I would guess it comes from one of the chapters in Life of Scrooge?
Yep.
I think there's more chances (almost) everybody has these stories
(the 12 "core" ones) than others.
David:
>>I guess this is LO$ #10?
Right!
Part 10, "The invader of Fort Duckburg", p 8 panel 6
(enter the Beagle Boys!).
>>(In the USA, Disney made Gladstone change this to Lone Stranger, due
>>to concerns about copyright of the name 'Lone Ranger').
Oh. Huh.
Er--
Yeah, right.
I misread it: I really read "Ranger". Sorry.
Kriton:
>>Barks was probably making oblique references to alcoholism. After all,
>>it's not the only time that Barks used soft drinks as a substitute for
>>alcoholic drinks. E.g., in the end of "Christmas on Bear Mountain" [...]
There's also the "Bubbleweight Champ" story (WDC&S 282, March '64, Album 49),
in which too much soda (Gurgleurp soda pop) has devastating consequences on
Donald and the Goosetown Woodchucks' champion, who usually drinks only
wild yak's milk. I'm not sure soda is really used as a substitute for alcohol here;
it's rather a joke on drinking too much of it.
For something close to intoxication, there's "Rip Van Donald" (WDC&S 112,
Jan '50, Album 17), with the ether-induced hallucinations at the end.
Olivier
Fluks, H.W.
Timo: Vicar
Message 37 -
2001-04-04 at 12:16:57
Timo:
> link to vicar story A Spaceman On Stilts
> http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?D+2343
> gives no credit to the writer
It does, and I think it already did in the past. Maybe you overlooked.
> If something is
> added, it should be seen elsewhere too...?
That's indeed the idea of the Inducks database.
--Harry.
> link to vicar story A Spaceman On Stilts
> http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?D+2343
> gives no credit to the writer
It does, and I think it already did in the past. Maybe you overlooked.
> If something is
> added, it should be seen elsewhere too...?
That's indeed the idea of the Inducks database.
--Harry.
Vic Pratt
Ginger Beer
Message 38 -
2001-04-04 at 13:28:07
Hello Duckfans
Interesting to see the mails discussing Barks'
reference to ginger beer...a popular drink here in
England...actually, it is quite different to ginger
ale, which is more specifically a mixer drink...ginger
beer is usually imbibed on its own...once upon a time,
I believe, it had a small amount of alcohol in it,
when it was home-made...
Best Duck Wishes
VIC
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Interesting to see the mails discussing Barks'
reference to ginger beer...a popular drink here in
England...actually, it is quite different to ginger
ale, which is more specifically a mixer drink...ginger
beer is usually imbibed on its own...once upon a time,
I believe, it had a small amount of alcohol in it,
when it was home-made...
Best Duck Wishes
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DCML digest, Vol 1 #466 - 6 msgs
Message 39 -
2001-04-04 at 13:53:29
____________________________
_________SPOILER____________ (possibly...?)
"Lone Ranger"
Would it be the story (writing this at school so no reference material available)
where U$ meets Ma Duck for the first time, takes over the soon-to-be-famous-hill-where-his-bin-stands
-fort and has a quarrel with US marine corps? This is where Matilda states
"Look, the Lone Ranger!" when the Beagles enter.
The best to all,
Teemu
Now re-engaging lurking device....
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_________SPOILER____________ (possibly...?)
"Lone Ranger"
Would it be the story (writing this at school so no reference material available)
where U$ meets Ma Duck for the first time, takes over the soon-to-be-famous-hill-where-his-bin-stands
-fort and has a quarrel with US marine corps? This is where Matilda states
"Look, the Lone Ranger!" when the Beagles enter.
The best to all,
Teemu
Now re-engaging lurking device....
________________________________________
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Daniel Van Eijmeren
Apostrophes / What will happen with Barks' art?
Message 40 -
2001-04-04 at 23:13:58
HARRY FLUKS to me, 03 APRIL 2001:
>> [Early stories without apostrophes] I've made a list of these stories,
>> based on The Carl Barks Library reprints.
> The CBL may not be a reliable source for this:
This is exactly why I mentioned that my information is based on the
CBL reprints.
> an apostrophe is a small thing and can easily be whited out in the
> retouching process.
Reading your reply I do not know if you noticed that the usage/non-usage
of the apostrophes is *consistent* within each story (except for two very
small exceptions, which I've mentioned).
But, even if the CBL editors would have whitened out all apostrophes within
one story, then the information still is useful to me, because I'm also
maintaining a list of changes in the CBL. ;-)
> So for absolute proof about UNCAs and UNCA's, you probably need to look
> at the original printings...
Very true. I can't do that myself, though, because I don't have these
comics. Therefore I've mentioned the panel numbers, which will hopefully
make it easy to compare the information with the original comics.
But, about the importance of the original comics in general:
What will be left of these comics in (let's say) about 50 years?
Have there ever been any attempts or plans to make sure that Barks' comic
book work is preserved for future generations? Has there ever been an
extensive research to find all first generation photostats? These photostats
and the original comics must be all that's left of (almost) all Barks'
comic book art.
The Carl Barks Library was released just before the Digital Age of the
1990s. Now that computers get more and more advanced, they can already be
a great help in digitally archiving and restoring Carl Barks' art.
I hope that such a project will happen. Otherwise a question like
"look at the original comics" might become a joke as much as asking for
a 1856 One-cent Magenta stamp in Guiana...
Best wishes,
--- Daniel
>> [Early stories without apostrophes] I've made a list of these stories,
>> based on The Carl Barks Library reprints.
> The CBL may not be a reliable source for this:
This is exactly why I mentioned that my information is based on the
CBL reprints.
> an apostrophe is a small thing and can easily be whited out in the
> retouching process.
Reading your reply I do not know if you noticed that the usage/non-usage
of the apostrophes is *consistent* within each story (except for two very
small exceptions, which I've mentioned).
But, even if the CBL editors would have whitened out all apostrophes within
one story, then the information still is useful to me, because I'm also
maintaining a list of changes in the CBL. ;-)
> So for absolute proof about UNCAs and UNCA's, you probably need to look
> at the original printings...
Very true. I can't do that myself, though, because I don't have these
comics. Therefore I've mentioned the panel numbers, which will hopefully
make it easy to compare the information with the original comics.
But, about the importance of the original comics in general:
What will be left of these comics in (let's say) about 50 years?
Have there ever been any attempts or plans to make sure that Barks' comic
book work is preserved for future generations? Has there ever been an
extensive research to find all first generation photostats? These photostats
and the original comics must be all that's left of (almost) all Barks'
comic book art.
The Carl Barks Library was released just before the Digital Age of the
1990s. Now that computers get more and more advanced, they can already be
a great help in digitally archiving and restoring Carl Barks' art.
I hope that such a project will happen. Otherwise a question like
"look at the original comics" might become a joke as much as asking for
a 1856 One-cent Magenta stamp in Guiana...
Best wishes,
--- Daniel
Fluks, H.W.
Differences between the french and danish version of the coin
Message 41 -
2001-04-05 at 11:52:16
Anders:
> This time it's absolutely insane that Scrooge coin are
> gold in the European tradition. [...]
> But the tradition simply says gold coins in
> Denmark, and it will take something to change that.
I see no reason to change that. Coins are supposed to be yellow (and bank
notes green) in Disney comics. No matter the material they are made of. This
has been the case since the beginning. It is disturbing to see a white/brown
mass of coins in Scrooge's bin (like in Lo$ chapter 12). I do hope the
editors will keep the "yellow coins" tradition.
BTW, Scrooge's money bin always had a big "f" sign in Holland (f = the Dutch
currency sign). In the new albums they are doing from now on (for Lekturama
for instance), they change the f-sign into a Euro sign. This makes Duckburg
a part of the European currency area, I guess. I can understand the editor's
reasoning, but I'd prefer the (traditional) f's...
--Harry.
> This time it's absolutely insane that Scrooge coin are
> gold in the European tradition. [...]
> But the tradition simply says gold coins in
> Denmark, and it will take something to change that.
I see no reason to change that. Coins are supposed to be yellow (and bank
notes green) in Disney comics. No matter the material they are made of. This
has been the case since the beginning. It is disturbing to see a white/brown
mass of coins in Scrooge's bin (like in Lo$ chapter 12). I do hope the
editors will keep the "yellow coins" tradition.
BTW, Scrooge's money bin always had a big "f" sign in Holland (f = the Dutch
currency sign). In the new albums they are doing from now on (for Lekturama
for instance), they change the f-sign into a Euro sign. This makes Duckburg
a part of the European currency area, I guess. I can understand the editor's
reasoning, but I'd prefer the (traditional) f's...
--Harry.
Fluks, H.W.
Story Search
Message 42 -
2001-04-05 at 12:03:59
Barry:
> I am looking for a very specific story or story segment, this may be
> hopeless. the story line concerned the Little Bad Wolf
> telling the Big Bad
> Wolf that he needed to make up with a hound dog, apparently
> an Irish hound
> dog. The Big Bad Wolf took a bouquet of shamrocks, as I
> recall, to the
> hound and the hound beat him to a pulp. The hound commented
> that he was "Orange Irish" as he departed.
Hopeless indeed!
The only guess I can make is WD's Comics #186:
W WDC 186-03, 6 pages, Bradbury, LW [desc:The Cold and the Watchdog]
[app:BW,TLP]
Maybe someone who has that comic (or a reprint) can confirm (or more likely
deny) that this is the story you mean.
--Harry.
> I am looking for a very specific story or story segment, this may be
> hopeless. the story line concerned the Little Bad Wolf
> telling the Big Bad
> Wolf that he needed to make up with a hound dog, apparently
> an Irish hound
> dog. The Big Bad Wolf took a bouquet of shamrocks, as I
> recall, to the
> hound and the hound beat him to a pulp. The hound commented
> that he was "Orange Irish" as he departed.
Hopeless indeed!
The only guess I can make is WD's Comics #186:
W WDC 186-03, 6 pages, Bradbury, LW [desc:The Cold and the Watchdog]
[app:BW,TLP]
Maybe someone who has that comic (or a reprint) can confirm (or more likely
deny) that this is the story you mean.
--Harry.
Fluks, H.W.
Tree
Message 43 -
2001-04-05 at 12:08:37
Olivier:
> >>In the original version of Don Rosa's D94121 [..]
> What story is that? I can't access DUCKhunt's index. (Title, plot)
Try INDUCKS in stead...
( for instance http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/coa/c1/search.php )
--Harry.
> >>In the original version of Don Rosa's D94121 [..]
> What story is that? I can't access DUCKhunt's index. (Title, plot)
Try INDUCKS in stead...
( for instance http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/coa/c1/search.php )
--Harry.
Fluks, H.W.
Website
Message 44 -
2001-04-05 at 12:17:20
Angelo Toti wrote, 2 weeks ago:
> I used some existing sites as references, and included
> links to them. Have a look here:
> http://www.geocities.com/donald313us/disney2.html
This site still contains plain copies of other people's sites. Connected in
a clumsy way.
This is *not* the way to build your own website. And I'm sure the original
site owners are *not* pleased with this practice.
Currently, the site looks more like a contest: name as many sites as
possible, from which Angelo has stolen his pages. Start at:
http://www.geocities.com/donald313us/disney.html
--Harry.
> I used some existing sites as references, and included
> links to them. Have a look here:
> http://www.geocities.com/donald313us/disney2.html
This site still contains plain copies of other people's sites. Connected in
a clumsy way.
This is *not* the way to build your own website. And I'm sure the original
site owners are *not* pleased with this practice.
Currently, the site looks more like a contest: name as many sites as
possible, from which Angelo has stolen his pages. Start at:
http://www.geocities.com/donald313us/disney.html
--Harry.
Fluks, H.W.
Anders: Dutch Rosas, Harry
Message 45 -
2001-04-05 at 12:25:33
Anders:
> What i mean by horrid is overdrawn, and eg. the family
> tree where Hortense was suddenly baking so you
> couldn't see her, and Quackmore was reading the paper
> Quagmire seemed to be a tractor! (Or was he in the
> tractor). If they don't want the readers to see those
> important persons on the tree, why publish it?
The Dutch editors didn't want to show the characters that are not originally
from a Barks story.
> > I *did* see some horrible covers drawn by
> > Rosa himself, so I can
> > understand that the editors don't use them.
> Well, as my kind of fan of Rosa I wouldn't say I find
> any of his covers horrid, only the overdrawn ones.
So "your kind of fan" thinks *everything* Rosa does is wonderful? I wouldn't
even say that about the work of Barks! I'm not a blind admirer of a person's
work.
I guess this makes us different "kinds of fan"...
--Harry.
> What i mean by horrid is overdrawn, and eg. the family
> tree where Hortense was suddenly baking so you
> couldn't see her, and Quackmore was reading the paper
> Quagmire seemed to be a tractor! (Or was he in the
> tractor). If they don't want the readers to see those
> important persons on the tree, why publish it?
The Dutch editors didn't want to show the characters that are not originally
from a Barks story.
> > I *did* see some horrible covers drawn by
> > Rosa himself, so I can
> > understand that the editors don't use them.
> Well, as my kind of fan of Rosa I wouldn't say I find
> any of his covers horrid, only the overdrawn ones.
So "your kind of fan" thinks *everything* Rosa does is wonderful? I wouldn't
even say that about the work of Barks! I'm not a blind admirer of a person's
work.
I guess this makes us different "kinds of fan"...
--Harry.