The DCML has seen some brief reports on events taking
place recently in Oslo, pertaining to the 100th anniversary
of Carl Barks. List readers also know that Don Rosa was
present in Oslo up to Sunday 25th, partly to help the Egmont
publishers commemorate Barks and to promote the "Best of Barks"
book, and partly to assist in launching his own two books,
"The Don Rosa Archives I & II" (the Pertwillaby Papers
and Captain Kentucky).
Here follows a little more on the Barks 100 subject.
(I went almost straight from the Carl Barks Centennial Party
I was involved with on to a plane for Scotland, and have not
been in a position to place a report before.)
** Carl Barks 100: This event was duly noted in at least two
major newspapers, VG and Dagbladet, with two-page spreads.
?ystein S?rensen, professor of history, wrote a scholarly
article for VG, highlighting Barks' broad international influence
over many decades. Dagbladet interviewed "well-known" persons
about how their own lifes had been touched by Barks stories.
** The "Best of Barks" ... and Morby/Grandey:
This de Lux book has been launched, with a preface and story
introductions by S?rensen, in Norwegian, Danish and Swedish.
It is at least in Norway also sold via the Narvesen chain of
kiosks (in addition to bookstores), which means that it is really
avaiable "everywhere". A footnote worth highlighting on the list is
that the somewhat dubious roles played by Barks' managers Kathy Morby
and Bill Grandey at a late stage in Barks' life is being commented
upon in S?rensen's preface. Interestingly, some of his sentences
regarding this point seem to have been toned down in the Danish
edition (which I could check out in Copenhagen on Friday).
[This is not a trivial matter, since what is written in the Danish
edition is presented as a direct translation of S?rensen's preface;
if his professional opinion has indeed been `toned down', as I suggest,
then this is tinkering with the intellectual property of a writer.]
** Centennial party & enquete:
I was privileged to take part in a private "centennial party"
on the 27th. (We were also in email-chatting contact with Don Rosa.)
I had organised a little inofficial "enquete", with the following
list of questions:
1 Give your three favourite Barks stories, category "long";
rank them, if possible.
2 Give your three favourite Barks stories, category "short";
rank them, if possible.
3 Give your three favourite Barks one-page stories;
rank them, if possible.
4 Give your three favourite Barks covers;
rank them, if possible.
5 Mention three comic books or Barks-related items which you
are particularly happy to have in your possession.
6 If the God of Comics and Comics-Related Collections came to
visit *you* on Saturday, bringing three Barks-related gifts
specially chosen for *you*, what would these three objects or items be?
7 What would your personal life on this planet have been like,
if Barks had simply stayed on as a chicken farmer?
It took the happy congregation many hours to discuss through
this list, with all the extra associations (and shouts of
"oh no! I forgot that one!") and clarifications and re-shufflings
of the priority lists. The point of the exercise was not to find
"winners", as such, but provided the means of focussing discussions.
You may try this yourself ...
I will therefore not give you results from our own lists, apart from
quoting, in extenso, the best "essay" we had (not mine) when
attempting to answer the question of Topic 7. This long-term fan
of comics in general and Barks in particular answered in one word:
"Brutopian."
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Barks 100, from Oslo / enquete
Message 16 -
2001-04-02 at 18:36:52
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Unca Apostrophe
Message 17 -
2001-04-02 at 23:42:49
Recently there was a discussion about whether one should spell
"Barks'" or "Barks's". The apostrophe itself reminded me of the
temporary usage of the apostrophe after the word "unca" in Disney comics.
In Barks' Codfish Cove serum story (WDC 114, March 1950), the
apostrophe that had appeared after "Unca" whenever the nephews
spoke to or about Donald was dropped. In 1983 notes for the
Carl Barks Library Barks recalled that: "I dropped the apostrophe
because I was beginning to feel it was redundant. The word Unca
had become part of the language."
The Carl Barks Library notes: "Western Publishing's editors observed
this, or at least there must have been some communication on the subject,
because non-Barks duck stories drawn at the same time also dropped the
apostrophe."
Floyd Gottfredson is mentioned as an exception, because he never used
anything but "Unca" - without the apostrophe - from the early 1930s when
he had Mickey Mouse's nephews use the form.
(The above information is taken from set 8, page 118.)
I don't know if it's common knowlegde (or interesting), but while browsing
through The Carl Barks Library I noticed that the serum story wasn't the
very first Barks WDC-story without the apostrophe.
I've made a list of these stories, based on The Carl Barks Library reprints.
Despite extensive checking, I do not know for sure if it's complete
or free from errors/typo's. On later date I will check all stories over
again and send an update on any additions and errors I'll find. If you find
errors or additions, you're welcome to send them.
"UNCA" refers to Unca without apostrophe (Unca).
"APOSTROPHE" refers to Unca with apostrophe (Unca').
The numbers refer to the panels ("page.panel").
1942 October:
OS 9 - Carl Barks - Finds Pirate Gold! - APOSTROPHE
(1.4, 1.6, 2.3, 12.4)
OS 9 - Jack Hannah - Finds Pirate Gold! - UNCA
(3.1, 3.3, 3.6, 6.4, 63.1)
1943 April:
WDC 31 - victory garden - UNCA
(1.2, 2.5, 2.6, 3.3, 4.2, 5.2, 8.2, 8.6, 9.5, 10.1, 10.3, 10.6)
1943 May:
WDC 32 - the rabbit's foot - UNCA
(1.1, 1.6, 2.2, 2.6, 3.1, 3.6, 4.1, 4.6,
6.3, 7.1, 7.3, 8.1, 8.4, 9.4, 10.1, 10.6)
1943 June:
WDC 33 - lifeguard daze - UNCA
(1.3, 1.5, 2.3, 3.6, 4.1, 4.2, 5.4, 5.6, 6.6, 7.2, 7.3, 9.4, 10.3, 10.7)
1943 July:
WDC 34 - good deeds - UNCA
(1.1, 2.1, 4.1, 4.6, 5.2, 5.5, 5.6, 6.1, 6.4, 7.5, 10.2, 10.7)
1943 August:
WDC 35 - the limber w guest ranch - UNCA & APOSTROPHE
(Unca: 1.2, 2.5, 3.4, 4.6, 5.1, 5.4, 6.3,
7.1, 7.3, 7.5, 7.6, 8.6, 9.1, 10.1, 10.5)
(Apostrophe: 5.2)
1943 September:
WDC 36 - The Mighty Trapper - UNCA
(1.3, 1.4, 2.5, 6.3, 6.5, 9.4, 9.5, 10.1, 10.5)
OS 29 - The Mummy's Ring - UNCA
(1.1, 1.2, 1.4, 2.1, 3.3, 3.4, 3.6, 5.6, 7.2, 7.4, 9.1, 9.6, 10.1,
10.3, 11.5, 13.3, 13.6, 14.3, 16.3, 17.5, 18.1, 19.2, 20.5, 28.1, 28.2)
OS 29 - The Hard Loser - UNCA
(1.1, 2.3, 2.5, 4.6, 6.3, 8.3, 8.4, 8.5, 9.1, 9.3, 10.6)
OS 29 - Too Many Pets - UNCA
(1.4, 2.4, 3.1, 6.1, 9.2, 10.1, 10.3, 11.1, 12.2,
13.1, 14.1, 14.5, 15.6, 16.2, 16.5, 16.6, 18.1, 26.7)
OS 29 - illustrations (not by Barks) - UNCA
1943 October:
No Barks publications?
1943 November:
WDC 38 - Good Neighbors - UNCA
(2.3, 3.5, 4.4, 6.2, 7.3, 7.6, 8.2, 9.2, 9.5, 9.6, 10.1)
1943 December:
WDC 39 - Salesman Donald - APOSTROPHE(!)
(2.4, 2.6, 3.1, 3.4, 4.2, 5.5, 6.6, 8.3, 8.4, 10.3)
1944 January:
WDC 40 - Snow Fun - APOSTROPHE(!)
(1.1, 2.4, 2.6, 3.5, 4.6, 5.2, 5.5, 6.4, 7.5, 8.6, 9.1, 10.5)
1944 February:
WDC 41 - The Duck in the Iron Pants - UNCA
(1.2, 3.2, 3.4, 4.2, 4.6, 5.4, 5.6)
1944 March:
WDC 42 - Kite Weather - UNCA
(2.8, 5.1, 5.2, 5.3, 5.4, 5.6, 6.3)
1944 April:
WDC 43 - Three Dirty Little Ducks - UNCA
(2.2, 2.6, 4.7, 8.7, 8.8, 9.3, 10.5)
1944 May:
WDC 44 - The Mad Chemist - UNCA
(1.7, 2.2, 2.4, 2.6, 3.1, 3.2, 4.4, 4.7, 5.7,
6.3, 6.7, 7.2, 7.8, 8.3, 10.2, 10.4, 10.7, 10.10)
1944 June:
WDC 45 - Rival Boatmen - UNCA
(1.2, 9.1, 9.3, 9.6, 9.7, 10.6, 10.7)
1944 July:
WDC 46 - Camera Crazy - UNCA
(1.1, 1.4, 1.7, 2.5, 2.6, 2.8, 3.8, 5.4, 6.4, 9.7, 9.8)
1944 August:
WDC 47 - farragut the falcon - APOSTROPHE & UNCA
(Apostrophe: 1.1, 1.5, 1.7, 2.2, 2.8, 3.1, 6.7, 7.6, 8.5, 10.5)
(Unca: 5.7)
1944 September:
WDC 48 - the purloined putty - APOSTROPHE
(1.3, 1.6, 3.2, 5.3, 7.1, 7.3, 7.6, 9.4)
1950 March:
WDC 114 - serum to codfish cove - UNCA
(1.4, 2.1, 3.1, 3.5, 3.8, 6.8, 7.2, 8.5, 8.8, 9.1, 9.2, 9.5, 9.7)
OS 275 - In Ancient Persia - UNCA
(2.5, 13.6, 14.5, 15.6, 17.5, 17.8, 18.4,
18.8, 19.5, 20.6, 24.1, 24.4, 24.5, 24.9)
I'm curious how Barks' usage of the apostrophe matches with the other
artists at the time. Gottfredson is mentioned as an exception, but
(as far as I know) he only/mostly worked for the newspaper.
For example, in "Finds Pirate Gold!" (OS 9), Barks uses the apostrophe
while Jack Hannah doesn't. Barks' next story, his first ten-pager (WDC 31),
does not contain the apostrophe.
Does WDC 114 (and other then-current issues) still contain some stories
with an apostrophe? Or do the apostrophes in all stories disappear at once?
Best wishes,
--- Daniel
"A penny SAVED is a penny EARNED!"
(Which story? I intend this one to be *very* difficult.) :-)
"Barks'" or "Barks's". The apostrophe itself reminded me of the
temporary usage of the apostrophe after the word "unca" in Disney comics.
In Barks' Codfish Cove serum story (WDC 114, March 1950), the
apostrophe that had appeared after "Unca" whenever the nephews
spoke to or about Donald was dropped. In 1983 notes for the
Carl Barks Library Barks recalled that: "I dropped the apostrophe
because I was beginning to feel it was redundant. The word Unca
had become part of the language."
The Carl Barks Library notes: "Western Publishing's editors observed
this, or at least there must have been some communication on the subject,
because non-Barks duck stories drawn at the same time also dropped the
apostrophe."
Floyd Gottfredson is mentioned as an exception, because he never used
anything but "Unca" - without the apostrophe - from the early 1930s when
he had Mickey Mouse's nephews use the form.
(The above information is taken from set 8, page 118.)
I don't know if it's common knowlegde (or interesting), but while browsing
through The Carl Barks Library I noticed that the serum story wasn't the
very first Barks WDC-story without the apostrophe.
I've made a list of these stories, based on The Carl Barks Library reprints.
Despite extensive checking, I do not know for sure if it's complete
or free from errors/typo's. On later date I will check all stories over
again and send an update on any additions and errors I'll find. If you find
errors or additions, you're welcome to send them.
"UNCA" refers to Unca without apostrophe (Unca).
"APOSTROPHE" refers to Unca with apostrophe (Unca').
The numbers refer to the panels ("page.panel").
1942 October:
OS 9 - Carl Barks - Finds Pirate Gold! - APOSTROPHE
(1.4, 1.6, 2.3, 12.4)
OS 9 - Jack Hannah - Finds Pirate Gold! - UNCA
(3.1, 3.3, 3.6, 6.4, 63.1)
1943 April:
WDC 31 - victory garden - UNCA
(1.2, 2.5, 2.6, 3.3, 4.2, 5.2, 8.2, 8.6, 9.5, 10.1, 10.3, 10.6)
1943 May:
WDC 32 - the rabbit's foot - UNCA
(1.1, 1.6, 2.2, 2.6, 3.1, 3.6, 4.1, 4.6,
6.3, 7.1, 7.3, 8.1, 8.4, 9.4, 10.1, 10.6)
1943 June:
WDC 33 - lifeguard daze - UNCA
(1.3, 1.5, 2.3, 3.6, 4.1, 4.2, 5.4, 5.6, 6.6, 7.2, 7.3, 9.4, 10.3, 10.7)
1943 July:
WDC 34 - good deeds - UNCA
(1.1, 2.1, 4.1, 4.6, 5.2, 5.5, 5.6, 6.1, 6.4, 7.5, 10.2, 10.7)
1943 August:
WDC 35 - the limber w guest ranch - UNCA & APOSTROPHE
(Unca: 1.2, 2.5, 3.4, 4.6, 5.1, 5.4, 6.3,
7.1, 7.3, 7.5, 7.6, 8.6, 9.1, 10.1, 10.5)
(Apostrophe: 5.2)
1943 September:
WDC 36 - The Mighty Trapper - UNCA
(1.3, 1.4, 2.5, 6.3, 6.5, 9.4, 9.5, 10.1, 10.5)
OS 29 - The Mummy's Ring - UNCA
(1.1, 1.2, 1.4, 2.1, 3.3, 3.4, 3.6, 5.6, 7.2, 7.4, 9.1, 9.6, 10.1,
10.3, 11.5, 13.3, 13.6, 14.3, 16.3, 17.5, 18.1, 19.2, 20.5, 28.1, 28.2)
OS 29 - The Hard Loser - UNCA
(1.1, 2.3, 2.5, 4.6, 6.3, 8.3, 8.4, 8.5, 9.1, 9.3, 10.6)
OS 29 - Too Many Pets - UNCA
(1.4, 2.4, 3.1, 6.1, 9.2, 10.1, 10.3, 11.1, 12.2,
13.1, 14.1, 14.5, 15.6, 16.2, 16.5, 16.6, 18.1, 26.7)
OS 29 - illustrations (not by Barks) - UNCA
1943 October:
No Barks publications?
1943 November:
WDC 38 - Good Neighbors - UNCA
(2.3, 3.5, 4.4, 6.2, 7.3, 7.6, 8.2, 9.2, 9.5, 9.6, 10.1)
1943 December:
WDC 39 - Salesman Donald - APOSTROPHE(!)
(2.4, 2.6, 3.1, 3.4, 4.2, 5.5, 6.6, 8.3, 8.4, 10.3)
1944 January:
WDC 40 - Snow Fun - APOSTROPHE(!)
(1.1, 2.4, 2.6, 3.5, 4.6, 5.2, 5.5, 6.4, 7.5, 8.6, 9.1, 10.5)
1944 February:
WDC 41 - The Duck in the Iron Pants - UNCA
(1.2, 3.2, 3.4, 4.2, 4.6, 5.4, 5.6)
1944 March:
WDC 42 - Kite Weather - UNCA
(2.8, 5.1, 5.2, 5.3, 5.4, 5.6, 6.3)
1944 April:
WDC 43 - Three Dirty Little Ducks - UNCA
(2.2, 2.6, 4.7, 8.7, 8.8, 9.3, 10.5)
1944 May:
WDC 44 - The Mad Chemist - UNCA
(1.7, 2.2, 2.4, 2.6, 3.1, 3.2, 4.4, 4.7, 5.7,
6.3, 6.7, 7.2, 7.8, 8.3, 10.2, 10.4, 10.7, 10.10)
1944 June:
WDC 45 - Rival Boatmen - UNCA
(1.2, 9.1, 9.3, 9.6, 9.7, 10.6, 10.7)
1944 July:
WDC 46 - Camera Crazy - UNCA
(1.1, 1.4, 1.7, 2.5, 2.6, 2.8, 3.8, 5.4, 6.4, 9.7, 9.8)
1944 August:
WDC 47 - farragut the falcon - APOSTROPHE & UNCA
(Apostrophe: 1.1, 1.5, 1.7, 2.2, 2.8, 3.1, 6.7, 7.6, 8.5, 10.5)
(Unca: 5.7)
1944 September:
WDC 48 - the purloined putty - APOSTROPHE
(1.3, 1.6, 3.2, 5.3, 7.1, 7.3, 7.6, 9.4)
1950 March:
WDC 114 - serum to codfish cove - UNCA
(1.4, 2.1, 3.1, 3.5, 3.8, 6.8, 7.2, 8.5, 8.8, 9.1, 9.2, 9.5, 9.7)
OS 275 - In Ancient Persia - UNCA
(2.5, 13.6, 14.5, 15.6, 17.5, 17.8, 18.4,
18.8, 19.5, 20.6, 24.1, 24.4, 24.5, 24.9)
I'm curious how Barks' usage of the apostrophe matches with the other
artists at the time. Gottfredson is mentioned as an exception, but
(as far as I know) he only/mostly worked for the newspaper.
For example, in "Finds Pirate Gold!" (OS 9), Barks uses the apostrophe
while Jack Hannah doesn't. Barks' next story, his first ten-pager (WDC 31),
does not contain the apostrophe.
Does WDC 114 (and other then-current issues) still contain some stories
with an apostrophe? Or do the apostrophes in all stories disappear at once?
Best wishes,
--- Daniel
"A penny SAVED is a penny EARNED!"
(Which story? I intend this one to be *very* difficult.) :-)
Olivier
Barks items at Ebay (010402) & Penny Quiz !
Message 18 -
2001-04-03 at 01:47:35
Hi!
>>1128152052
>>CARL BARKS ANCIENT PERSIA DRAWING
>>"http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1128152052"
>>(Original pencil. A cover/painting layout? DvE)
Seems very much to be a painting layout.
>>1420707475
>>Original Disney Carl Barks Dnld Duck Painting
>>"http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1420707475"
>>(Original "Food Chain" watercolor. DvE)
Very nice scan-- quite large and sharp
>>1130162891
>>Carl Barks First Works Lithographs
>>Information from seller: "set of 2 Carl Barks Lithographs from the
>>International Museum of Cartoon Art. The lithographs represent Carl
>>Barks' earliest work from 1935. This set is #18 out of 120; issued
>>March 27th 1996. Size is 11" x 14"."
>>"http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1130162891"
>>(Are these inked drawings really by Carl Barks? If so, what's the
>>history behind them? DvE)
The first one was reproduced in DDA Album 3:
"At first Barks regarded the adventure story as Mickey's domain. He drew this
scene in 1935, when applying for work at the Disney Studio"
("The Classic Barks", Geoffrey Blum)
I scanned it along with Gottfredson strips I believe Barks drew inspiration from:
http://members.nbci.com/mouse_ducks/pix/bmck01.htm
Olivier
SPOILER Alert:
Penny Quiz answer below...
>> "A penny SAVED is a penny EARNED!"
>> (Which story? I intend this one to be *very* difficult.) :-)
"Billions to Sneeze At", WDC&S 124, Jan '51, Album 17,
p 7 panel 2, in the frame on the wall!
Nice one, really clever.
It obviously had to do with Uncle Scrooge (though I feared the difficulty
was that it was not). I remembered a couple of story about saving a
penny or a dime. I almost missed it! I thought about this story but was
looking at the *dialogue*!
Anyone found the answer to Don Rosa Quiz # 1? (fairly easy)
("The Lone Ranger!")
>>1128152052
>>CARL BARKS ANCIENT PERSIA DRAWING
>>"http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1128152052"
>>(Original pencil. A cover/painting layout? DvE)
Seems very much to be a painting layout.
>>1420707475
>>Original Disney Carl Barks Dnld Duck Painting
>>"http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1420707475"
>>(Original "Food Chain" watercolor. DvE)
Very nice scan-- quite large and sharp
>>1130162891
>>Carl Barks First Works Lithographs
>>Information from seller: "set of 2 Carl Barks Lithographs from the
>>International Museum of Cartoon Art. The lithographs represent Carl
>>Barks' earliest work from 1935. This set is #18 out of 120; issued
>>March 27th 1996. Size is 11" x 14"."
>>"http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1130162891"
>>(Are these inked drawings really by Carl Barks? If so, what's the
>>history behind them? DvE)
The first one was reproduced in DDA Album 3:
"At first Barks regarded the adventure story as Mickey's domain. He drew this
scene in 1935, when applying for work at the Disney Studio"
("The Classic Barks", Geoffrey Blum)
I scanned it along with Gottfredson strips I believe Barks drew inspiration from:
http://members.nbci.com/mouse_ducks/pix/bmck01.htm
Olivier
SPOILER Alert:
Penny Quiz answer below...
>> "A penny SAVED is a penny EARNED!"
>> (Which story? I intend this one to be *very* difficult.) :-)
"Billions to Sneeze At", WDC&S 124, Jan '51, Album 17,
p 7 panel 2, in the frame on the wall!
Nice one, really clever.
It obviously had to do with Uncle Scrooge (though I feared the difficulty
was that it was not). I remembered a couple of story about saving a
penny or a dime. I almost missed it! I thought about this story but was
looking at the *dialogue*!
Anyone found the answer to Don Rosa Quiz # 1? (fairly easy)
("The Lone Ranger!")
Fluks, H.W.
Unca Apostrophe
Message 19 -
2001-04-03 at 12:10:20
Dani?l:
> I've made a list of these stories, based on The Carl Barks
> Library reprints.
The CBL may not be a reliable source for this: an apostrophe is a small
thing and can easily be whited out in the retouching process.
There's at least one example where the CBL people made a mistake in
retouching the lettering of a story. As noted in an issue of (German) DER
DONALDIST, in the "flour" story W WDC 164-01. Quoting from memory, the
foreign text reads UMLX CYSK BCOUFSK GOO. The CBL version has one U changed
into an O or so, making it BCOOFSK (I'm not sure I'm quoting this
correctly).
So for absolute proof about UNCAs and UNCA's, you probably need to look at
the original printings...
--Harry.
> I've made a list of these stories, based on The Carl Barks
> Library reprints.
The CBL may not be a reliable source for this: an apostrophe is a small
thing and can easily be whited out in the retouching process.
There's at least one example where the CBL people made a mistake in
retouching the lettering of a story. As noted in an issue of (German) DER
DONALDIST, in the "flour" story W WDC 164-01. Quoting from memory, the
foreign text reads UMLX CYSK BCOUFSK GOO. The CBL version has one U changed
into an O or so, making it BCOOFSK (I'm not sure I'm quoting this
correctly).
So for absolute proof about UNCAs and UNCA's, you probably need to look at
the original printings...
--Harry.
Anders Christian Sivebaek
Differences between the french and danish version of the coin
Message 20 -
2001-04-03 at 16:05:14
Hi friends
The new weekly arrived in my mailbox today, so I
thought I should write to you comparing the Danish and
French publication of the Coin, which is in it.
This could be considered a spoiler, so if you haven?t
read the story somewhere you might want to stop?
I heard that the Norwegian publication of the story
has a mistake in the first panel. The scroll for the
title has been understood by the Norwegians to be some
strange unusable thing so they placed the usual
KR-logo there
The Danish publication does not have
this mistake.
This time it?s absolutely insane that Scrooge coin are
gold in the European tradition. The coin in the story
was originally a silver quarter, and it?s a piece of
five kroner in the Danish edition (I expect it to be
the same in the other Scandinavian places, maybe a
one-mark in Germany) ? All these coin are colored like
silver, they?re made of aluminium or something like
that. There?s no sane reason those would be gold.
Cause as we know Scrooge?s coins in the bin are
souvenir coins, small coins, made of silver- and
cobber-colored metals. They?re not expensive gold
coins ? But the tradition simply says gold coins in
Denmark, and it will take something to change that.
Maybe such as in a book like the new Barks book,
therein some stories have silver-colored coins. And in
some Barks-stories from the 60?es it was so too.
The rest of page 1 is fine, with correctly mirrored
text in the flashback panel and so on.
On page 2 panel 6 and 8 the writing on a poster which
was supposed to be behind Gladstone, is on the right
side of Gladstone, because of the texter (Guy who puts
text in the bubbles, same guy who forgot to change the
font for certain dialogue pieces in the Kalevala
story). That?s the second most irritating mistake in
this story IMO.
On page 3 panel 8 it seems Grandma is saying something
to Gus, but it?s Gus? sleaves we see, and in the
French version there?s no hint it should be Grandma
saying that.
On page 4 the construction with 4 panels in every 4
rows. In the French version blue color was between the
panels, in the Danish version they?re painted with
coloristic trick where the colors are changing from
red to yellow, yellow to blue and yellow to green from
one upper left corner to the lower right corner. On
page 9 it?s all red.
I started to believe Egmont were irritated that Rosa
draws Scrooge so you can see his beek through his
glasses ? that?s why they in the beginning of the
90?es, when a worker didn?t have anything to do, was
told to white out the lines in the glasses. (It can
confuse one, cause in the 50?es and 60?es they did the
reversed thing, they painted the glasses yellow when
they were in front of a beak, even partly yellow,
partly white can be found). But we see on page 7 and
10 that now they again color what?s behind the glasses
in both white and yellow. It?s also done that nice
(IMO) by the French Picsou-publishers. Un till now
they have just left the lines be, asked to do so by
Don, and not coloring anything, cause Don was annoyed
by their moronic whitening job.
On page 8 of the story some of Rosas panel has been
covered, because there had to be room for an
explanation for a shortened JW title. We don?t know
the original, but the Danish translation has been made
into a joke about a F.A.T. M.A.N. and a beanstalk.
On page 11 the ?photos? (?) in the cellar are painted
in color, as a difference to the French version where
they?re brown as color-photos wasn?t invented back
then.
Panel 9 on that same page tells in the French edition
that Donald and Daisy was at her house doing something
(?)
and then they heard the alarm. In the Danish
version he says ?I and Daisy (since when did we stop
mentioning the ladies first?) went and ? hrm! ? when I
heard your alarm. Something which could have borders
to something not to be shown in a duck comic, has been
made into some kissing, unless I actually
misunderstood the French wording.
On page 12 panel 6 Goldie is talking of hard work, in
French she was tired from his night work, which is a
reference to the reason of censorship of the original
Barks comic about Goldie. No relationship (of love)
should be hinted. They could ask, what did they do at
night? Why did he pay her 15 kroner (in the Danish
version)? Isn?t that extremely much? What else has she
done apart from digging Gold?
En the end Scrooge is singing the song Goldie sang
when he first saw her. The actual song never appeared
in the Danish version of the Barks comic, so the
translator translated the After the Ball-tune into
Danish.
Yours
AC
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The new weekly arrived in my mailbox today, so I
thought I should write to you comparing the Danish and
French publication of the Coin, which is in it.
This could be considered a spoiler, so if you haven?t
read the story somewhere you might want to stop?
I heard that the Norwegian publication of the story
has a mistake in the first panel. The scroll for the
title has been understood by the Norwegians to be some
strange unusable thing so they placed the usual
KR-logo there
The Danish publication does not have
this mistake.
This time it?s absolutely insane that Scrooge coin are
gold in the European tradition. The coin in the story
was originally a silver quarter, and it?s a piece of
five kroner in the Danish edition (I expect it to be
the same in the other Scandinavian places, maybe a
one-mark in Germany) ? All these coin are colored like
silver, they?re made of aluminium or something like
that. There?s no sane reason those would be gold.
Cause as we know Scrooge?s coins in the bin are
souvenir coins, small coins, made of silver- and
cobber-colored metals. They?re not expensive gold
coins ? But the tradition simply says gold coins in
Denmark, and it will take something to change that.
Maybe such as in a book like the new Barks book,
therein some stories have silver-colored coins. And in
some Barks-stories from the 60?es it was so too.
The rest of page 1 is fine, with correctly mirrored
text in the flashback panel and so on.
On page 2 panel 6 and 8 the writing on a poster which
was supposed to be behind Gladstone, is on the right
side of Gladstone, because of the texter (Guy who puts
text in the bubbles, same guy who forgot to change the
font for certain dialogue pieces in the Kalevala
story). That?s the second most irritating mistake in
this story IMO.
On page 3 panel 8 it seems Grandma is saying something
to Gus, but it?s Gus? sleaves we see, and in the
French version there?s no hint it should be Grandma
saying that.
On page 4 the construction with 4 panels in every 4
rows. In the French version blue color was between the
panels, in the Danish version they?re painted with
coloristic trick where the colors are changing from
red to yellow, yellow to blue and yellow to green from
one upper left corner to the lower right corner. On
page 9 it?s all red.
I started to believe Egmont were irritated that Rosa
draws Scrooge so you can see his beek through his
glasses ? that?s why they in the beginning of the
90?es, when a worker didn?t have anything to do, was
told to white out the lines in the glasses. (It can
confuse one, cause in the 50?es and 60?es they did the
reversed thing, they painted the glasses yellow when
they were in front of a beak, even partly yellow,
partly white can be found). But we see on page 7 and
10 that now they again color what?s behind the glasses
in both white and yellow. It?s also done that nice
(IMO) by the French Picsou-publishers. Un till now
they have just left the lines be, asked to do so by
Don, and not coloring anything, cause Don was annoyed
by their moronic whitening job.
On page 8 of the story some of Rosas panel has been
covered, because there had to be room for an
explanation for a shortened JW title. We don?t know
the original, but the Danish translation has been made
into a joke about a F.A.T. M.A.N. and a beanstalk.
On page 11 the ?photos? (?) in the cellar are painted
in color, as a difference to the French version where
they?re brown as color-photos wasn?t invented back
then.
Panel 9 on that same page tells in the French edition
that Donald and Daisy was at her house doing something
(?)
and then they heard the alarm. In the Danish
version he says ?I and Daisy (since when did we stop
mentioning the ladies first?) went and ? hrm! ? when I
heard your alarm. Something which could have borders
to something not to be shown in a duck comic, has been
made into some kissing, unless I actually
misunderstood the French wording.
On page 12 panel 6 Goldie is talking of hard work, in
French she was tired from his night work, which is a
reference to the reason of censorship of the original
Barks comic about Goldie. No relationship (of love)
should be hinted. They could ask, what did they do at
night? Why did he pay her 15 kroner (in the Danish
version)? Isn?t that extremely much? What else has she
done apart from digging Gold?
En the end Scrooge is singing the song Goldie sang
when he first saw her. The actual song never appeared
in the Danish version of the Barks comic, so the
translator translated the After the Ball-tune into
Danish.
Yours
AC
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Fluks, H.W.
Holland
Message 21 -
2001-04-03 at 16:34:50
I just had a phone call with the Dutch editors, so here's some news and some
replies.
Anders wrote:
> I
> believe the ducth weekly, apart from the fact that they don't
> print Rosa,
> is one of the best weeklies we have in europe.
Or at least it has been, in past years.
> it publishes stories by Heymans,
> Jippes, Milton and more.
The next Barks/Jippes JW story, "Eagle Savers", will be in the weekly of
week #24.
Jippes is in the USA at the moment, and he's not doing any work for the
Dutch editor. But this may change in the future.
> About the letter column in DD Weekblad
> [..] most of the letters are about things the
> readers experienced in dayly life or vactaions and such. They are that
> more than questions about stories or such, as would be in eg.
> the greek magazine Komix' letter columns. ?
Right. Vactaions and such. 8-)
The Dutch weekly aims at children of age 9 or 10.
More Dutch news:
The series DE BESTE VERHALEN VAN DONALD DUCK (all-Barks) is being reprinted
in hard-cover, bound editions by Lekturama. 4 original albums in a bound
edition. In colour.
I haven't seen these albums anywhere yet, but there seem to be 4 of them out
already.
Sounds like a nice Dutch Barks library, even though they literally use the
Beste Verhalen versions, which have some minor flaws now and then.
--Harry.
replies.
Anders wrote:
> I
> believe the ducth weekly, apart from the fact that they don't
> print Rosa,
> is one of the best weeklies we have in europe.
Or at least it has been, in past years.
> it publishes stories by Heymans,
> Jippes, Milton and more.
The next Barks/Jippes JW story, "Eagle Savers", will be in the weekly of
week #24.
Jippes is in the USA at the moment, and he's not doing any work for the
Dutch editor. But this may change in the future.
> About the letter column in DD Weekblad
> [..] most of the letters are about things the
> readers experienced in dayly life or vactaions and such. They are that
> more than questions about stories or such, as would be in eg.
> the greek magazine Komix' letter columns. ?
Right. Vactaions and such. 8-)
The Dutch weekly aims at children of age 9 or 10.
More Dutch news:
The series DE BESTE VERHALEN VAN DONALD DUCK (all-Barks) is being reprinted
in hard-cover, bound editions by Lekturama. 4 original albums in a bound
edition. In colour.
I haven't seen these albums anywhere yet, but there seem to be 4 of them out
already.
Sounds like a nice Dutch Barks library, even though they literally use the
Beste Verhalen versions, which have some minor flaws now and then.
--Harry.
Fluks, H.W.
Translation ; Don Rosa Quiz 1
Message 22 -
2001-04-03 at 16:40:19
Olivier:
> I have a little collection of panels that are quite a
> challenge to the translator.
> ex: "Return to Plain Awful", final panel: "they made it *square* !"
"...om u vierkant uit te lachen" (To laugh you square[ly?] in the face)
Another famous one is Rosa's story "Fortune On The Rocks" (AR 128).
"That's YOUR fault"; "It's plain gneiss"...
(These got TOTALLY different translations in Holland.)
And there's a Barks one-pager where it "rains cats and dogs". The Dutch
changed the cats to dogs to make it fit with the expression "hondenweer"
(dog weather).
> Don Rosa quiz 1:
> "The Lone Ranger!"
> (easy?)
No, not easy at all!
--Harry.
> I have a little collection of panels that are quite a
> challenge to the translator.
> ex: "Return to Plain Awful", final panel: "they made it *square* !"
"...om u vierkant uit te lachen" (To laugh you square[ly?] in the face)
Another famous one is Rosa's story "Fortune On The Rocks" (AR 128).
"That's YOUR fault"; "It's plain gneiss"...
(These got TOTALLY different translations in Holland.)
And there's a Barks one-pager where it "rains cats and dogs". The Dutch
changed the cats to dogs to make it fit with the expression "hondenweer"
(dog weather).
> Don Rosa quiz 1:
> "The Lone Ranger!"
> (easy?)
No, not easy at all!
--Harry.
Daniel Van Eijmeren
O.Shurits Safe Co.
Message 23 -
2001-04-03 at 18:19:30
KRITON KYRIMIS to HARRY FLUKS, 02-04-2001:
>> The name of the editor-in-chief in Holland (who worked there for more than
>> 25 years) is T. Roep, which can be translated as J. Unk or G. Arbage...
> Or, judging from the similarity, T. Ripe, perhaps?
>
> Although nothing comes to mind off-hand, I'm certain that Barks used
> such names as the names of the authors of the various books Donald is
> reading at the beginning of several stories.
>
> And then there's the famous O.S.O. Safe company!
In the first panel of the 1944 dime chase story (WDC 50), Donald takes his
coin collection out of a "O.Shurits Safe Co." safe.
On the safe itself stands a little figurine table-lamp. The figurine itself
is a duck with a top hat and a tailcoat. To me, it looks a bit like the
yet-to-be-created Uncle Scrooge. (Not a serious thought, though.)
Best wishes,
--- Daniel
"Everything looks all right here! Go see if the propellor is turning!"
(Which story?) :-)
>> The name of the editor-in-chief in Holland (who worked there for more than
>> 25 years) is T. Roep, which can be translated as J. Unk or G. Arbage...
> Or, judging from the similarity, T. Ripe, perhaps?
>
> Although nothing comes to mind off-hand, I'm certain that Barks used
> such names as the names of the authors of the various books Donald is
> reading at the beginning of several stories.
>
> And then there's the famous O.S.O. Safe company!
In the first panel of the 1944 dime chase story (WDC 50), Donald takes his
coin collection out of a "O.Shurits Safe Co." safe.
On the safe itself stands a little figurine table-lamp. The figurine itself
is a duck with a top hat and a tailcoat. To me, it looks a bit like the
yet-to-be-created Uncle Scrooge. (Not a serious thought, though.)
Best wishes,
--- Daniel
"Everything looks all right here! Go see if the propellor is turning!"
(Which story?) :-)
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Miscellaneous notes, part 1
Message 24 -
2001-04-03 at 19:26:10
While searching for apostrophes in The Carl Barks Library, I've made
some "miscellaneous" notes, containing some questions:
- - - - - - -
OS 29, 1943 September - The Hard Loser
Page 1, 2 and 3 contain a dialogue reference to "Grandpa", from whom
Donald borrows his "old buggy horse".
- - - - - - -
WDC 35, 1943 August - the limber w guest ranch
Could this be the first time that the nephews use their knowlegde of
natural phenomena, like they would regularly do in later stories?
In panel 4.7 they know that they're going further away from the ranch
instead of getting closer to it: "When we left the ranch, the sun was
on our right shoulder!" / "It is three hours higher now, and hitting
the back of our necks!" / "We're goin' AWAY from the ranch!" I think
this almost sounds like their later "Junior Woodchuck" knowlegde.
- - - - - - -
WDC 35, 1943 - the limber w guest ranch (again)
In panel 7.1, Donald seems to long for alcoholic drinks: "Lemonade,
limeade, ginger beer, root ale, malted soda... coca pop!..."
- - - - - - -
WDC 38, 1943 - Good Neighbors
In panel 7.6, Donald says to his nephews: "Get me one of those
firecrackers you're savin' for the fourth - the biggest one you have!"
Could the saving of firecrackers be a reference to World War II?
BTW. Is the "fourth" a reference to the American "4th of July"?
- - - - - - -
WDC 43, 1944 - Three Dirty Little Ducks
Does this story contain the first appearance of Bolivar in a Barks story?
Could this story be the first one in which Donald and the nephews have
an *adult-kid* rivalry? In this story the nephews intentionally annoy
"parent" Donald by not following his order to go bathing.
In earlier stories like "The Hard Loser" (OS 29), "Snow Fun" (WDC 40),
and "The Duck in the Iron Pants" (WDC 41), there's also rivalry between
Donald and the nephews, but in these stories Donald acts more like a
"fourth nephew" than an adult. Even more because Donald is the *cause*
of the rivalry in these stories. (The nephews only react to the tricks
Donald has played on them.)
- - - - - - -
Best wishes,
--- Daniel
some "miscellaneous" notes, containing some questions:
- - - - - - -
OS 29, 1943 September - The Hard Loser
Page 1, 2 and 3 contain a dialogue reference to "Grandpa", from whom
Donald borrows his "old buggy horse".
- - - - - - -
WDC 35, 1943 August - the limber w guest ranch
Could this be the first time that the nephews use their knowlegde of
natural phenomena, like they would regularly do in later stories?
In panel 4.7 they know that they're going further away from the ranch
instead of getting closer to it: "When we left the ranch, the sun was
on our right shoulder!" / "It is three hours higher now, and hitting
the back of our necks!" / "We're goin' AWAY from the ranch!" I think
this almost sounds like their later "Junior Woodchuck" knowlegde.
- - - - - - -
WDC 35, 1943 - the limber w guest ranch (again)
In panel 7.1, Donald seems to long for alcoholic drinks: "Lemonade,
limeade, ginger beer, root ale, malted soda... coca pop!..."
- - - - - - -
WDC 38, 1943 - Good Neighbors
In panel 7.6, Donald says to his nephews: "Get me one of those
firecrackers you're savin' for the fourth - the biggest one you have!"
Could the saving of firecrackers be a reference to World War II?
BTW. Is the "fourth" a reference to the American "4th of July"?
- - - - - - -
WDC 43, 1944 - Three Dirty Little Ducks
Does this story contain the first appearance of Bolivar in a Barks story?
Could this story be the first one in which Donald and the nephews have
an *adult-kid* rivalry? In this story the nephews intentionally annoy
"parent" Donald by not following his order to go bathing.
In earlier stories like "The Hard Loser" (OS 29), "Snow Fun" (WDC 40),
and "The Duck in the Iron Pants" (WDC 41), there's also rivalry between
Donald and the nephews, but in these stories Donald acts more like a
"fourth nephew" than an adult. Even more because Donald is the *cause*
of the rivalry in these stories. (The nephews only react to the tricks
Donald has played on them.)
- - - - - - -
Best wishes,
--- Daniel
Timo Ronkainen
Vicar
Message 25 -
2001-04-03 at 20:07:59
Hi!
Vicar will be in Finland as guest in Kemi International Comics Festival 18th
to 20th of May this year. He comes here because of Aku Ankka's 50th
anniversary.
http://www.kemi.fi/~sarjis/
Info about this will be soon in above address of Kemi Comics Festival.
And sometimes in Aku Ankka's website too: www.akuankka.fi
BTW:
link to vicar story A Spaceman On Stilts
http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?D+2343
gives no credit to the writer, but the link to Finnish printing of it:
http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/dcml/issue/fi/AA1974-30
gives it (Mauri Kunnas). Shouldn't these be crossindexed? If something is
added, it should be seen elsewhere too...?
Timo
^^''*''^^
Cartoonist - writer - donaldist -
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YO-kylä 52 A 26 --------------- -
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Finland ----------------------- -
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Vicar will be in Finland as guest in Kemi International Comics Festival 18th
to 20th of May this year. He comes here because of Aku Ankka's 50th
anniversary.
http://www.kemi.fi/~sarjis/
Info about this will be soon in above address of Kemi Comics Festival.
And sometimes in Aku Ankka's website too: www.akuankka.fi
BTW:
link to vicar story A Spaceman On Stilts
http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?D+2343
gives no credit to the writer, but the link to Finnish printing of it:
http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/dcml/issue/fi/AA1974-30
gives it (Mauri Kunnas). Shouldn't these be crossindexed? If something is
added, it should be seen elsewhere too...?
Timo
^^''*''^^
Cartoonist - writer - donaldist -
Timo Ronkainen ---------------- -
YO-kylä 52 A 26 --------------- -
20540 Turku ------------------- -
Finland ----------------------- -
timoro at hotmail.com
timoro at sunpoint.net
¨¨ Personal:
http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/timoro/
¨¨ Ankkalinnan Pamaus:
http://welcome.to/ankistit
.................................
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Go sit on cowslip - far from me!"
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New homepage
Message 26 -
2001-04-03 at 21:22:24
I've uploaded my new page on deafness, Sign Language and lip reading
in comics (in Norwegian for now) at:
http://members.home.com/vsvendsen/comics/doev.htm
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And he said all those numbers
made him numb,
which (he thinks) is why
they're called numbers
in comics (in Norwegian for now) at:
http://members.home.com/vsvendsen/comics/doev.htm
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And he said all those numbers
made him numb,
which (he thinks) is why
they're called numbers
Anders Christian Siveb¾k
By public demand, and next week
Message 27 -
2001-04-03 at 21:28:07
Hi
I once read an article on Barks called By public demand. It was about
reprints of Barks's stories, possibly in european issues.
You know the kliche of certain stories, where the crook explains why he
became a crook? The classical story of how a dane became a donaldist in
the 60'es or 70'es is that he read the stories in danish known as "En
udvalgt historie" (A chosen story). (In the earlier years than those it
was usually by self-descovering a genius, and later those become
donaldists - they called him the good artist)
The term chosen story both indicates that:
1. The story is chosen, by an editor who on one hand knew what he was
doing (On the other hand he didn't as some of the stories are cut or
censored).
2. The story has been printed before (I'm not sure if that always counted,
maybe a Barks-story would even be chosen if it hadn't be published before,
eg. if they printed it in the 80'es, just to show the knowing reader that
this was special)
I know that the expression is called Favorit i Repris in swedish (favorite
being published again).
My reason to write this posting is that I find this expression has
devaluated (lost some of it's meaning). You see, two of the most known
danish duck publications, the weekly Anders And & Co. and the Extra,
monthly, Anders And Extra, have been printing chosen stories that aren't
by Barks for some time now. To save money I guess, so egmont doesn't have
to make so many new stories. -
Or becuase the local editors don't find some stories good enough for
printing - I eg. saw a story in the greek Minnie summer special from 1999
that hasn't been printed here.
As said I call that devaluation, but as a fan of certain drawers I hate it
most when the extra is filled with reprints of stories by Vicar or Branca.
Usually there's also a french Mickey-story, and I don't find them as
sparkling as the ones from Egmont. Overmore there was a short dutch story
by Freddy Milton, of whom I'm also a fan.
Vicar and Barnca stories are also reprinted in the weekly, as said because
they don't have enough stories. The extras have been like I pointed out
since 1999.
Some will probably find it double moralic that I don't mind them
reprinting Don Rosa's story, but I really don't mind, not as long as they
reprint in a better way than the first - Treasure under Glass was
republished last summer, with new coloring and in some special paper
quality. - Last Sled to Dawson came out in a A4-format extra for the
hioliday we have in week 7 - and now I both see on the back of the weekly,
and read somewhere that Barks Pigmy Indian-story is coming out upside-down
together with Rosas War of the Wendio.
second subject:
As I said, next week there will be an extra with the weekly. I know this
from the second last page of the weekly. I think it has been the way since
the beginning of the 80'es, that you can always see in the end of the
issue what is next week.
In Denmark they weight the stories in the next issue most, show what the
special gift is (preferably (IMO) an extra-comic, a calendar or some child
play thing, and show the cover of the next weekly. I think this is how
they do in all the "pure" egmont countries (I think of Scandinavia and
Eastern Europe - I'm not sure about China and Japan). In Germany they
weight the special gift the most, they might not even mention the stories
in the next issue - this is at least how it was in Germany in the issues I
remember from the 90'es.
In Greece I know that the next issue of the magazine Komix is mentioned on
one of the first pages of the mag.
I wanted to know: Is this a known phenomenon in the once-oublished
american duck comics too? I completely don't remember.
I do remember that it was more usual to see ads for other issues in a mag,
ads for Uncle Scrooge and Donald Duck-comic books in WDC or so.
It's only the weekly and the girl's magazine, as speaking of
disney/duck-magazines that does this in Denmark.
Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist
I once read an article on Barks called By public demand. It was about
reprints of Barks's stories, possibly in european issues.
You know the kliche of certain stories, where the crook explains why he
became a crook? The classical story of how a dane became a donaldist in
the 60'es or 70'es is that he read the stories in danish known as "En
udvalgt historie" (A chosen story). (In the earlier years than those it
was usually by self-descovering a genius, and later those become
donaldists - they called him the good artist)
The term chosen story both indicates that:
1. The story is chosen, by an editor who on one hand knew what he was
doing (On the other hand he didn't as some of the stories are cut or
censored).
2. The story has been printed before (I'm not sure if that always counted,
maybe a Barks-story would even be chosen if it hadn't be published before,
eg. if they printed it in the 80'es, just to show the knowing reader that
this was special)
I know that the expression is called Favorit i Repris in swedish (favorite
being published again).
My reason to write this posting is that I find this expression has
devaluated (lost some of it's meaning). You see, two of the most known
danish duck publications, the weekly Anders And & Co. and the Extra,
monthly, Anders And Extra, have been printing chosen stories that aren't
by Barks for some time now. To save money I guess, so egmont doesn't have
to make so many new stories. -
Or becuase the local editors don't find some stories good enough for
printing - I eg. saw a story in the greek Minnie summer special from 1999
that hasn't been printed here.
As said I call that devaluation, but as a fan of certain drawers I hate it
most when the extra is filled with reprints of stories by Vicar or Branca.
Usually there's also a french Mickey-story, and I don't find them as
sparkling as the ones from Egmont. Overmore there was a short dutch story
by Freddy Milton, of whom I'm also a fan.
Vicar and Barnca stories are also reprinted in the weekly, as said because
they don't have enough stories. The extras have been like I pointed out
since 1999.
Some will probably find it double moralic that I don't mind them
reprinting Don Rosa's story, but I really don't mind, not as long as they
reprint in a better way than the first - Treasure under Glass was
republished last summer, with new coloring and in some special paper
quality. - Last Sled to Dawson came out in a A4-format extra for the
hioliday we have in week 7 - and now I both see on the back of the weekly,
and read somewhere that Barks Pigmy Indian-story is coming out upside-down
together with Rosas War of the Wendio.
second subject:
As I said, next week there will be an extra with the weekly. I know this
from the second last page of the weekly. I think it has been the way since
the beginning of the 80'es, that you can always see in the end of the
issue what is next week.
In Denmark they weight the stories in the next issue most, show what the
special gift is (preferably (IMO) an extra-comic, a calendar or some child
play thing, and show the cover of the next weekly. I think this is how
they do in all the "pure" egmont countries (I think of Scandinavia and
Eastern Europe - I'm not sure about China and Japan). In Germany they
weight the special gift the most, they might not even mention the stories
in the next issue - this is at least how it was in Germany in the issues I
remember from the 90'es.
In Greece I know that the next issue of the magazine Komix is mentioned on
one of the first pages of the mag.
I wanted to know: Is this a known phenomenon in the once-oublished
american duck comics too? I completely don't remember.
I do remember that it was more usual to see ads for other issues in a mag,
ads for Uncle Scrooge and Donald Duck-comic books in WDC or so.
It's only the weekly and the girl's magazine, as speaking of
disney/duck-magazines that does this in Denmark.
Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist
Becca Ridout
DCML digest, Vol 1 #463 - 6 msgs
Message 28 -
2001-04-03 at 23:32:55
He used this when naming the stamp collector in the guilded man 'Philo T.
Elic'
rebecca
> The name of the editor-in-chief in Holland (who worked there for more
than
> 25 years) is T. Roep, which can be translated as J. Unk or G. Arbage...
Or, judging from the similarity, T. Ripe, perhaps?
Although nothing comes to mind off-hand, I'm certain that Barks used
such names as the names of the authors of the various books Donald is
reading at the beginning of several stories.
And then there's the famous O.S.O. Safe company!
K.Riton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
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rebecca
> The name of the editor-in-chief in Holland (who worked there for more
than
> 25 years) is T. Roep, which can be translated as J. Unk or G. Arbage...
Or, judging from the similarity, T. Ripe, perhaps?
Although nothing comes to mind off-hand, I'm certain that Barks used
such names as the names of the authors of the various books Donald is
reading at the beginning of several stories.
And then there's the famous O.S.O. Safe company!
K.Riton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
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The Coin (Goldie) , Don Rosa Quiz (Hint)
Message 29 -
2001-04-03 at 23:36:54
Hello!
Anders:
>>Panel 9 on that same page tells in the French edition
>>that Donald and Daisy was at her house doing something
They were not at Daisy's, just going there-- "and while we-- er--"
>>On page 12 panel 6 Goldie is talking of hard work, in
>>French she was tired from his night work [...]
>>No relationship (of love) should be hinted. They could ask,
>>what did they do at night? Why did he pay her 15 kroner
>>(in the Danish version)? Isn't that extremely much?
>>What else has she done apart from digging Gold?
Er-- I'm afraid that's an adult version of the story you have ; )
Picsou Magazine 333, "The Coin", p 12 panel 6:
"Ah oui? Eh bien *voil?* ce que je pense de toi et de ton
travail ? la noix!" (she throws the coins in Scrooge's face)
"Oh yeah? Well *here* 's what I think of you and your
lousy job!"
noix: walnut
? la noix: a collocation that conveys your derogatory opinion
of something in a mild manner
No allusion to night (nuit) whatsoever.
>>she was tired from his night work, which is a
>>reference to the reason of censorship of the original
>>Barks comic about Goldie.
The ballrom brawl was censored and I suppose the image
of Scrooge carrying away Goldie was deemed incorrect too.
But no inuendo there either:
(p 15, panel 3) "And there at my digging I made her work for a month!"
(p 15, panel 4) "When the month was up I paid her off!
Don Rosa copied the left half of this panel (Scrooge
paying Goldie-- and he paid her *50* cents a day! not *30*)
and the next one, adding a bit of scenery
Olivier
Don Rosa Quiz #1:
"The Lone Ranger!"
Hint:
Anders:
>>Panel 9 on that same page tells in the French edition
>>that Donald and Daisy was at her house doing something
They were not at Daisy's, just going there-- "and while we-- er--"
>>On page 12 panel 6 Goldie is talking of hard work, in
>>French she was tired from his night work [...]
>>No relationship (of love) should be hinted. They could ask,
>>what did they do at night? Why did he pay her 15 kroner
>>(in the Danish version)? Isn't that extremely much?
>>What else has she done apart from digging Gold?
Er-- I'm afraid that's an adult version of the story you have ; )
Picsou Magazine 333, "The Coin", p 12 panel 6:
"Ah oui? Eh bien *voil?* ce que je pense de toi et de ton
travail ? la noix!" (she throws the coins in Scrooge's face)
"Oh yeah? Well *here* 's what I think of you and your
lousy job!"
noix: walnut
? la noix: a collocation that conveys your derogatory opinion
of something in a mild manner
No allusion to night (nuit) whatsoever.
>>she was tired from his night work, which is a
>>reference to the reason of censorship of the original
>>Barks comic about Goldie.
The ballrom brawl was censored and I suppose the image
of Scrooge carrying away Goldie was deemed incorrect too.
But no inuendo there either:
(p 15, panel 3) "And there at my digging I made her work for a month!"
(p 15, panel 4) "When the month was up I paid her off!
Don Rosa copied the left half of this panel (Scrooge
paying Goldie-- and he paid her *50* cents a day! not *30*)
and the next one, adding a bit of scenery
Olivier
Don Rosa Quiz #1:
"The Lone Ranger!"
Hint:
Apostolis Trikourakis
Komix #154
Message 30 -
2001-04-04 at 01:32:18
Hi all
Kriton Kyrimis wrote:
> According to this article, they will be printing >
five of the "lost episodes", one every two months, in
> chronological order: "Of Ducks, Dimes and >
Destinies", "The Cowboy Captain of the Cutty Sark", >
the "Pizen Bluff" story whose title I can't remember >
off-hand, "The Dutchman's Secret", and "Hearts of the
> Yukon".
Here's both the publication series and dates:
-Of Ducks and Dimes and Destinies, Komix #154
-The Cowboy Captain of the Cutty Sark, Komix #156,
June 2001
-The Vigilante of Pizen Bluff, Komix #158, August 2001
-The Dutchman's Secret, Komix #160, October 2001
-Hearts of Yukon, Komix #162, December 2001
Finally, next Komix (#155) will publish the "Recalled
Wreck" story.
Best Wishes
=====
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E-mail: komixgreekpage at yahoo.com
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Kriton Kyrimis wrote:
> According to this article, they will be printing >
five of the "lost episodes", one every two months, in
> chronological order: "Of Ducks, Dimes and >
Destinies", "The Cowboy Captain of the Cutty Sark", >
the "Pizen Bluff" story whose title I can't remember >
off-hand, "The Dutchman's Secret", and "Hearts of the
> Yukon".
Here's both the publication series and dates:
-Of Ducks and Dimes and Destinies, Komix #154
-The Cowboy Captain of the Cutty Sark, Komix #156,
June 2001
-The Vigilante of Pizen Bluff, Komix #158, August 2001
-The Dutchman's Secret, Komix #160, October 2001
-Hearts of Yukon, Komix #162, December 2001
Finally, next Komix (#155) will publish the "Recalled
Wreck" story.
Best Wishes
=====
Apostolis Trikourakis, Athens, Greece
E-mail: komixgreekpage at yahoo.com
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/komixgreekpage
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