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Let's see -- on the one hand, we have people discussing whether or not Carl
Barks was the "father" of Donald Duck.

On the other, we have people discussing whether or not a grandmother's
sister can legitimately be called an "uncle".

Seems to me, if Carl Barks can be Donald Duck's father, when they aren't
even of the same SPECIES, people shouldn't have any trouble with calling a
grand-uncle an uncle.

Quack, Don

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in effect I'm surprise....
D letter in DCML indicate Disney or Duck?
I love Gottfredson strip more than Barks.

> 6. re Egmont's Barks 100 books (Nils Lid Hjort)
>From: Nils Lid Hjort <nils at math.uio.no>
>The (relatively short) introduction to the Egmont "Barks' Best"
>book has been written by Øystein Sørensen

Thanks for the info!

>Otherwise I agree regarding the web pages of Egmont Donald Duck
>Norway/Anders And Denmark/Kalle Anke Sweden. They are kept
>in strict simultaneous control, obviously.

Finnish Aku Ankka's page was similar too at first, but now they have
improved much. There is lots of stuff now and more will come..
www.akuankka.fi

Timo

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>(By the way, is his name spelled with two T's, or
three? I've seen him spell
>it both ways.)

My name is Totti.

>the Yahoo/Geocities Terms of Service, which bind Mr.
Totti as long
>as he is using their resources to display "his"
pages.

Just call me Angelo, I don't like this "Mr." thingie.

>Not being Uncle Scrooge, I CAN NOT AFFORD to spend
that much time and
>creative energy on work with no prospect of paying.
If anyone can simply
>come along and take it, without permission and
without paying me, then the
>work has no value to me and therefore will not be
done.

Anyone can simply come along and take it, that's
right. If nobody did, that's not because of copyright
laws, but because your site is not interesting enough
to steal. I have lots of doubts BTW that you can feed
your children with advertissments placed on your site.

>When Mr. Totti steals a person's work, he steals that
person's livelihood.

No. The sites I used don't make the living of anyone.

>When he wonders why anyone would make a fuss over
Internet thievery, he is
>saying that person's work has no value. And when YOU
say it's okay to steal
>as long as the victim is "credited", you are
promoting a brave new world in
>which work that is attractive to thieves will of
necessity be relegated to
>the creator's spare time -- and therefore, will tend
not to be done.

But they still will be done, even if anyone can use
the work. Because lots of people just have nothing
else to do.

The #%$£~@!§ people are not those who use the works of
others but the ones who harass others because they
steal their texts or images.

Just because you wrote one line of text one day you
want everyone to keep asking you forever for
permission of using that line of text. You make
something publicly available and then pretend to keep
an absolute full control on it. I say that is stupid
on the Internet.

I reserve me the right of using any information I can
find on the Internet anywhere, without mentioning my
sources. Who cares about the name of the person who
originally scanned an image?

>But we have not yet done so -- and I very strongly
suspect that like the
>vast majority of extravagant predictions for new
technology, the one about
>the end of copyright will turn out to be more than a
little on the, shall we
>say, "enthusiastic" side.

The internet will always be a big mess where you can
find
pirated softwares, copyrighted music, games (to name
the three most populars)
etc. for free. That is not extravagant, that is the
truth.

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>From: Angelo Toti <donald313us at yahoo.com>
>My name is Totti.

Hm...
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Hello!

Olaf:
>>Stop arguing about who was Donald's "FATHER"! Donald has one father;
>>Quackmore Duck! Walt Disney is the first person to introduce Donald for us,
>>even though that was an all different figure from the one we know, and Barks
>>was the best story teller about Donald.

(Please imagine a bulb magically turning on, sparked to life by the above remark)
Right!
*Quackmore* is Donald's father and no one else!
The duck artists are his *chroniclers*!

Kenneth:
>>I have an older version of Paint Shop Pro and it does not blur the picture
>>when you rotate it most be a problem with the newer software.

Well, the amount of blur is a factor of the angle of rotation.
And actually I experimented with the function with an earlier version a couple of years ago;
from then on I've always preferred to correct the tilt manually, however tedious it can get.
I think that, like jpg compression, it must be OK for photos because there is so much information.
but a drawing, and moreover a b&w drawing can't take it. Maybe "blur" wasn't the correct term;
"smudge"? As for compression, it's not a blur but a halo of "grey" dots everywere.

>>I agree that crediting your self with someone else's work is not fair but I
>>see nothing wrong with useing someone else's work on you page as long as you
>>give them credit for it. As the Internet is freedom of information.

"Quoting" pictures without an official authorization is what we all do on our sites. But we
make it clear that they are not our property but the Walt Disney Company's and that no
profit is made out of it.
The Net enables webmasters to go even one step further than credifting: you can add
a link to the source.
The problem is that Angelo Toti doesn't ask permission, links in an ambiguous way that
makes its look like it's his own work, and instead of crediting the author of the original
site, he substitutes his own name for it.
Freedom (of information?) is not the point. (See Dan's example.)

Olivier

At 7:26 PM +0200 4/19/01, Francesco Spreafico wrote:
>From: "Angelo Toti" <donald313us at yahoo.com>
>
>> I reserve me the right of using any information I can
>> find on the Internet anywhere, without mentioning my
>> sources.
>
>"I reserve me" the right to ask for the owner of the list (Harry? Per?) to
>throw this guy the hell out of here, thanks.

http://www.geocities.com/donald313us/fandom.html now comes up as 404
not found. It would appear that the ISP has spoken...

-MMM-

From: "Søren Krarup Olesen" <raptus at stofanet.dk>

> Kicking him off this list is pure discrimination. History has shown that
> nothing good comes out of that. Angelo has not spammed this list in any
> sense, nor has he posted off-topic messages.

History has shown that so far in this list we've had no such bad behaviored
person that instead of apologizing for his obvious mistakes keeps
arrogantly saying that he'll keep copying stuff without quoting the source.
One time is acceptable (for naivety), maybe even two, but not three.

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Sprea