My friend Apostolis sad:
">A few Br. stories were published in Greece too. I only
>remember Ferthry be a "Batduck" hero or something like
>that.
Ya! "Morcego Vermelho", or, the "Red Bat"if you prefer...! The alter Ego of
Fethry! Maybe the first brazilian character...of the Duck Universe! Very
fun! But it depend's of how much you like Fethry's crazy point's of view! ;)
>BTW, is Jaime Diaz from Brazil? If it is, many stories
>by him have been published here, in both Komix and
>Mickey Mystery (and Mixkey Mouse), if I remember
>correctly.
No! Jaime Diaz is a Studio from Argentina, and most of the S coded stories
came from this Studio...I assume that Jaime Diaz hinselg didn't drew the
comics, but who knows? I don't know if the argentine member, Fabio Blanco(Hi
Fabio!) is still around here, since I don't "see" he a long time! Maybe he
knows more about this Studio...maybe...not! :)
The DCML are becomign interistign!!! More one hour to read al the mails!!!
GREAT!
Fernando!
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Fernando Ventura
Apostolis: BatDuck?! Morcego Vermelho-Red Bat
Message 331 -
2001-04-20 at 02:33:10
Hans Pedersen
John Spicer (first fan to visit Barks?)
Message 332 -
2001-04-20 at 02:40:27
To DCML:
Last month, I had the pleasure of meeting John
Spicer after buying a set of original Barks
drawings from him on eBay. John was one of the
first fans (along with Malcolm Willits) to
visit Barks; he tried to get his name/address from
the publishers several times, but finally got
it when he pretended to be a high school
teacher using his art in a class project. John
and a few friends went to visit Barks in Hemet,
California with some friends, and Barks gave
each of them some outtakes from his Uncle Scrooge
stories from the mid-50s. At the border of one
of them, Barks wrote "Best wishes to my fan, John".
I remember reading about John's visit earlier,
possibly in Michael Barrier's book(?) and was
surprised to learn that John was completely
unaware that other people knew about his meeting.
When I showed him a reproduction of one of the
strips on the web, he was at awe over how anyone
could have gotten it (it later turned out that
his wife let another fan copy it many years ago).
Anyway, I am writing because John would be very
interested in any references to his visit, either
online or in the literature.
I think it is pretty awesome that he held on to
his presents from Barks for more than 40 years
and would like for him to fully understand the
historical importance of his meeting. So, if anyone
can help with references, both John and I would be
very thankful.
Kind regards,
Hans K. Pedersen
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Last month, I had the pleasure of meeting John
Spicer after buying a set of original Barks
drawings from him on eBay. John was one of the
first fans (along with Malcolm Willits) to
visit Barks; he tried to get his name/address from
the publishers several times, but finally got
it when he pretended to be a high school
teacher using his art in a class project. John
and a few friends went to visit Barks in Hemet,
California with some friends, and Barks gave
each of them some outtakes from his Uncle Scrooge
stories from the mid-50s. At the border of one
of them, Barks wrote "Best wishes to my fan, John".
I remember reading about John's visit earlier,
possibly in Michael Barrier's book(?) and was
surprised to learn that John was completely
unaware that other people knew about his meeting.
When I showed him a reproduction of one of the
strips on the web, he was at awe over how anyone
could have gotten it (it later turned out that
his wife let another fan copy it many years ago).
Anyway, I am writing because John would be very
interested in any references to his visit, either
online or in the literature.
I think it is pretty awesome that he held on to
his presents from Barks for more than 40 years
and would like for him to fully understand the
historical importance of his meeting. So, if anyone
can help with references, both John and I would be
very thankful.
Kind regards,
Hans K. Pedersen
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Rich
New Character: Michel Souris
Message 333 -
2001-04-20 at 03:12:18
> From: "Olivier" <mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr>
> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:44:18 +0200
>
> The character's name is Michel Souris (Mickey used to be called that way at some
> point; it's the French version of the name). He looks like a very distorted Mickey,
> a sort of cross-over with a rat. Like those faces you can tweak and pinch and
> skew using specific (so called "morphing") distorsion softwares. In a word: UGLY.
> Not because he is not handsoem, like Quasimodo. The ART itself is ugly. It is
> way too caricatural and distorted and rubbery. He is dressed like the early Mickey
> (short pants & shoes).
For those of you interested in knowing more about Michel Souris, I have
been in
some discussion with our friend and fellow List Member, Gilles Maurice
from France.
I may get some of the facts wrong, so maybe one of our Gilles or
Francois or someone
who is familiar with the character can help me out.
Basically, as I understand the comics in which he has appeared, he is
probably best
described as Mickey's worst nightmare and stalker! We don't know if
Michel Souris is
the character's real name, or if it is just a name he uses as a result
of his unnatural
obsession. Michel Souris, as was said before, is a literal translation
of the name
"Mickey (Michael) Mouse," but just taking on Mickey's name was not
enough for Michel.
Michel is so obsessed with Mickey that he has a love-hate thing for him.
Michel both
idolizes everything about Mickey, while at the same time wants to
litterally become
Mickey. To that end he dresses like Mickey, even wears fake round ears
to increase
the resemblance. His house and car are literally shrines to Mickey and
he treasures
a glass which Mickey once touched. In the first story Michel actually
tried to kill
Mickey, but in time, in subsequent stories we see that Michel has become satisfied
just to "hang out" with Mickey. Perhaps in the tradition of Goofy,
Butch and Eega
Beeva, Michel sees himself as Mickey's companion and has even been
involved in a few
of Mickey's adventures and helped him solve mysteries/crimes. Mickey is
quite rightly
disturbed by Michel's obsessiveness, but at the same time he has grown
to actually
like him. I beleive that is all I can share without seeing more of
Michel than the
few comics Gilles has shared with me. Please feel free to validate or
correct the
information that I may have gotten wrong, but this is my understanding
from my chats
with Gilles and from viewing several scanned comics.
I have attached a link to an image Gilles sent me which I have uploaded
for you to see.
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/SCANS/Souris.gif
I hope that helps some.
> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:44:18 +0200
>
> The character's name is Michel Souris (Mickey used to be called that way at some
> point; it's the French version of the name). He looks like a very distorted Mickey,
> a sort of cross-over with a rat. Like those faces you can tweak and pinch and
> skew using specific (so called "morphing") distorsion softwares. In a word: UGLY.
> Not because he is not handsoem, like Quasimodo. The ART itself is ugly. It is
> way too caricatural and distorted and rubbery. He is dressed like the early Mickey
> (short pants & shoes).
For those of you interested in knowing more about Michel Souris, I have
been in
some discussion with our friend and fellow List Member, Gilles Maurice
from France.
I may get some of the facts wrong, so maybe one of our Gilles or
Francois or someone
who is familiar with the character can help me out.
Basically, as I understand the comics in which he has appeared, he is
probably best
described as Mickey's worst nightmare and stalker! We don't know if
Michel Souris is
the character's real name, or if it is just a name he uses as a result
of his unnatural
obsession. Michel Souris, as was said before, is a literal translation
of the name
"Mickey (Michael) Mouse," but just taking on Mickey's name was not
enough for Michel.
Michel is so obsessed with Mickey that he has a love-hate thing for him.
Michel both
idolizes everything about Mickey, while at the same time wants to
litterally become
Mickey. To that end he dresses like Mickey, even wears fake round ears
to increase
the resemblance. His house and car are literally shrines to Mickey and
he treasures
a glass which Mickey once touched. In the first story Michel actually
tried to kill
Mickey, but in time, in subsequent stories we see that Michel has become satisfied
just to "hang out" with Mickey. Perhaps in the tradition of Goofy,
Butch and Eega
Beeva, Michel sees himself as Mickey's companion and has even been
involved in a few
of Mickey's adventures and helped him solve mysteries/crimes. Mickey is
quite rightly
disturbed by Michel's obsessiveness, but at the same time he has grown
to actually
like him. I beleive that is all I can share without seeing more of
Michel than the
few comics Gilles has shared with me. Please feel free to validate or
correct the
information that I may have gotten wrong, but this is my understanding
from my chats
with Gilles and from viewing several scanned comics.
I have attached a link to an image Gilles sent me which I have uploaded
for you to see.
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/SCANS/Souris.gif
I hope that helps some.
Fernando Ventura
Sprea: Brazilian stories!
Message 334 -
2001-04-20 at 03:14:11
Sprea:
>I am, or at least was at the time when the used to publish them on
>"Topolino" during the '80's.
The 80's!!! Ah, the 80's!!!
I loved al the brazilian stories from this time!!! I grew up readign then! I
love the Paperetta, Daisy and Fethry from the 80's! And the incredible
covers by Moacyr Rodrigues! But the Z? Carioca's stories I must enjoy are
the one's did by Renato Canini on the 70's, and the one's did durign the
90's...until 1997, more or less!
>Way back then on Topolino there used to be two main new Italian stories
>(the first and the last of the issues) and 2 or 3 short stories in between,
>generally by the American Disney Studio, or Brasil. And I did like the art
>of most the Brasilian ones. I mean, al the ones with Fethry for example, or
>Biquino (sp?).
Biquinho! :)
Great character too! Created to support the child's that wasn't reading
Disney...!
>The plot were good too, definitely funny (I think that Silvia Ziche owns a
>bit to this kind of stories too), BUT... (there had to be a "but" :-)
>they're always so short!
Uhn...maybe it's because of this that I like Silvia Ziche's work so much?!
:)
Yes...it's true! In general, 10 pages! You know somethign? I'm thinkign on
it yesterday...I really think that the "short" italian stories aren't good,
on my oppinion, of course! For example, I've saw the last's Biquinhos's I
Coded histories, and I disliked it ...the plot was not workign so weel,
appearing to stop on the middle, but it's the end! And, on my oppinion, I
think the brazilian's writters are VERY GOOD with the "shorts" storys, since
it flows very good, and they stoped without a "?!"!!!
I'm spendign more thant THREE (?!?!?!?!) months on a TEN pages Ludwig's
story!!! I'm not a very fast writer, you can see... ;)
And I, like to write something that I will like to draw! A expression, a
fast movement, a crazy layout...! Hey, stop to speak about yourself,
Fernando!
I think Arthur Faria Jr can ad more to the cause of this shorts comics...I
just can say that last year, we can just do 12 pages!!!
Maybe it's the same on the past, I don't know...
So, we need to try to be good on this 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 or 12 pages...you got
it? Yes, sometimes the ideas are more big than that, but it depend's on the
artist...! In my case, I like to do the short one's, since I can express
myself better on "crazy comics", than "adventures plots"...! Yet! I just
writte few stories...unfortunatelly! Since I have the pretensious of do this
for the rest of my life...! And I'm just 20 years old, so I aspec to do
lot's of things...
I really like Arthur's "short" stories!!! And he knows it! They're great and
fun! VERY funny gags, made by character's personality! I think Arthur is
very good with the Nestor character!
>Or at least they used to be, I don't know now.
>So short that there can be no "serious" plot in it... understand waht I
>mean?
Yes! I understand! :)
But I loved the possibilitie of HUMAN CHARACTERISTICS that can be added to
short storys, like the "Os Adolescentes"...! Or the "New Daisy"...it
develops characters's personality, you got my point? And my oppinion? ;)
>Fernando, you stilll need that PK2 #3?
YES!!! Please! I bought today a Scarpa(just draw)story, and next week I'm
sure I will find more brazilian reprints of Scarpa's to you! I'm so sorry
that I didn't post it to you yet, since I'm with LOT's and LOT's of work to
do, from my colegge!!!
Thanks!
Fernando!
>I am, or at least was at the time when the used to publish them on
>"Topolino" during the '80's.
The 80's!!! Ah, the 80's!!!
I loved al the brazilian stories from this time!!! I grew up readign then! I
love the Paperetta, Daisy and Fethry from the 80's! And the incredible
covers by Moacyr Rodrigues! But the Z? Carioca's stories I must enjoy are
the one's did by Renato Canini on the 70's, and the one's did durign the
90's...until 1997, more or less!
>Way back then on Topolino there used to be two main new Italian stories
>(the first and the last of the issues) and 2 or 3 short stories in between,
>generally by the American Disney Studio, or Brasil. And I did like the art
>of most the Brasilian ones. I mean, al the ones with Fethry for example, or
>Biquino (sp?).
Biquinho! :)
Great character too! Created to support the child's that wasn't reading
Disney...!
>The plot were good too, definitely funny (I think that Silvia Ziche owns a
>bit to this kind of stories too), BUT... (there had to be a "but" :-)
>they're always so short!
Uhn...maybe it's because of this that I like Silvia Ziche's work so much?!
:)
Yes...it's true! In general, 10 pages! You know somethign? I'm thinkign on
it yesterday...I really think that the "short" italian stories aren't good,
on my oppinion, of course! For example, I've saw the last's Biquinhos's I
Coded histories, and I disliked it ...the plot was not workign so weel,
appearing to stop on the middle, but it's the end! And, on my oppinion, I
think the brazilian's writters are VERY GOOD with the "shorts" storys, since
it flows very good, and they stoped without a "?!"!!!
I'm spendign more thant THREE (?!?!?!?!) months on a TEN pages Ludwig's
story!!! I'm not a very fast writer, you can see... ;)
And I, like to write something that I will like to draw! A expression, a
fast movement, a crazy layout...! Hey, stop to speak about yourself,
Fernando!
I think Arthur Faria Jr can ad more to the cause of this shorts comics...I
just can say that last year, we can just do 12 pages!!!
Maybe it's the same on the past, I don't know...
So, we need to try to be good on this 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 or 12 pages...you got
it? Yes, sometimes the ideas are more big than that, but it depend's on the
artist...! In my case, I like to do the short one's, since I can express
myself better on "crazy comics", than "adventures plots"...! Yet! I just
writte few stories...unfortunatelly! Since I have the pretensious of do this
for the rest of my life...! And I'm just 20 years old, so I aspec to do
lot's of things...
I really like Arthur's "short" stories!!! And he knows it! They're great and
fun! VERY funny gags, made by character's personality! I think Arthur is
very good with the Nestor character!
>Or at least they used to be, I don't know now.
>So short that there can be no "serious" plot in it... understand waht I
>mean?
Yes! I understand! :)
But I loved the possibilitie of HUMAN CHARACTERISTICS that can be added to
short storys, like the "Os Adolescentes"...! Or the "New Daisy"...it
develops characters's personality, you got my point? And my oppinion? ;)
>Fernando, you stilll need that PK2 #3?
YES!!! Please! I bought today a Scarpa(just draw)story, and next week I'm
sure I will find more brazilian reprints of Scarpa's to you! I'm so sorry
that I didn't post it to you yet, since I'm with LOT's and LOT's of work to
do, from my colegge!!!
Thanks!
Fernando!
Apostolis Trikourakis
Apostolis: BatDuck?! Morcego Vermelho-Red Bat
Message 335 -
2001-04-20 at 03:15:49
Hi all
My friend Fernando Ventura (hi Fernando!) wrote:
> My friend Apostolis *sad*
No, I'm not sad, I'm very happy :-)
LOL
> Ya! "Morcego Vermelho", or, the "Red Bat"if you >
prefer...! The alter Ego of Fethry!
Yes, him! The "Red Bad" Or "Bat Duck" in Greek! He's a
very crazy character!
> But it depend's of how much you like Fethry's crazy
> point's of view! ;)
Well, it is not one of my favorites, but sure he's
very funny sometimes :-)
> No! Jaime Diaz is a Studio from Argentina, and most
> of the S coded stories came from this Studio...
Thanks. I know his studio. It produced some stories
for the "Mickey Mystery" series and also some crazy
stories like "A Very Goofy King Midas" and "Don't call
me Tut".
Best Wishes
=====
Apostolis Trikourakis, Athens, Greece
E-mail: komixgreekpage at yahoo.com
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/komixgreekpage
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My friend Fernando Ventura (hi Fernando!) wrote:
> My friend Apostolis *sad*
No, I'm not sad, I'm very happy :-)
LOL
> Ya! "Morcego Vermelho", or, the "Red Bat"if you >
prefer...! The alter Ego of Fethry!
Yes, him! The "Red Bad" Or "Bat Duck" in Greek! He's a
very crazy character!
> But it depend's of how much you like Fethry's crazy
> point's of view! ;)
Well, it is not one of my favorites, but sure he's
very funny sometimes :-)
> No! Jaime Diaz is a Studio from Argentina, and most
> of the S coded stories came from this Studio...
Thanks. I know his studio. It produced some stories
for the "Mickey Mystery" series and also some crazy
stories like "A Very Goofy King Midas" and "Don't call
me Tut".
Best Wishes
=====
Apostolis Trikourakis, Athens, Greece
E-mail: komixgreekpage at yahoo.com
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/komixgreekpage
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Shaun Craill
Coin Jars
Message 336 -
2001-04-20 at 07:18:56
Hi everyone,
Next to my bed at home I have a large jar full of odd coins. This was inspired by Scrooge and his bin. While I do not remember the story about how I obtained each coin like Scrooge would, I do find them a good reminder of my visits to other countries.
The other day I heard great squeals of delight coming from my room from my 1 1/2 year old daughter. I went in and found her on the floor surrounded by a big pile of coins, which she was picking up in hand fulls and placing on her head to let them tinkle all over the ground!
If only I had enough of them to let her burrow through them like a gopher! :-D
Shaun
Next to my bed at home I have a large jar full of odd coins. This was inspired by Scrooge and his bin. While I do not remember the story about how I obtained each coin like Scrooge would, I do find them a good reminder of my visits to other countries.
The other day I heard great squeals of delight coming from my room from my 1 1/2 year old daughter. I went in and found her on the floor surrounded by a big pile of coins, which she was picking up in hand fulls and placing on her head to let them tinkle all over the ground!
If only I had enough of them to let her burrow through them like a gopher! :-D
Shaun
Pascal Oost
DCML digest, Vol 1 #493, Re "How to read..."
Message 337 -
2001-04-20 at 10:48:14
Harry:
> WL Lilly:
>> Can anybody give me any details
>> about the book " How To Read Donald Duck " ( I think
>> that that was its title . ) , since we're talking
>> about anti-Disney writings - a book published in the
>> 1970s .
> 1971, I think. Original from Chile, written by Dorfman and Mattelart.
> English translation by David Kunzle.
> I have no information about publishers or availability, and I can't find it
> on the Web...
There is a dutch translation (with a long introduction on how to read "How
to read Donald Duck") from 1978, published by "SUN, Nijmegen".
You can find them here: <www.sun-net.nl>. But I don't think this title is
available anymore.
It states the original publication: Para Leer al Pato Donald, Valparaiso,
Chili 1971,
and a translation: How to read Donald Duck. Imperialist Ideology in the
Disney Comic. New York (International General) 1975.
P
> WL Lilly:
>> Can anybody give me any details
>> about the book " How To Read Donald Duck " ( I think
>> that that was its title . ) , since we're talking
>> about anti-Disney writings - a book published in the
>> 1970s .
> 1971, I think. Original from Chile, written by Dorfman and Mattelart.
> English translation by David Kunzle.
> I have no information about publishers or availability, and I can't find it
> on the Web...
There is a dutch translation (with a long introduction on how to read "How
to read Donald Duck") from 1978, published by "SUN, Nijmegen".
You can find them here: <www.sun-net.nl>. But I don't think this title is
available anymore.
It states the original publication: Para Leer al Pato Donald, Valparaiso,
Chili 1971,
and a translation: How to read Donald Duck. Imperialist Ideology in the
Disney Comic. New York (International General) 1975.
P
Olivier
De Vita & Martina , Fethry , Michel Souris
Message 338 -
2001-04-20 at 12:24:15
Thanks a lot, Francesco & Fran?ois, for identifying these
artists whose stories I liked very much. Fond memories...
Still haven't had time to read "Donald Quixote". I only read such things
(ie, stories I love) when I'm sure I won't be interrupted, and that's usually
at night in my bed. But these last few days I already had something to read:
Don Rosa's CK & PP! Finished CK last night. Enjoyed every panel of both!
Apostolis & Fernando:
I recall this Red Bat Fethry! He changed clothes in a garbage can!
I like the Jaime Diaz studio stories very much too. Funny and full of very funny
little details. I especially love the Goofy stories (History, Inventions, Adaptations
of Novels). And those incredibly inventive layouts!
Rich:
Thanks for the information on Michel!
Sounds like an interesting idea. A satire of groupies. It depends how it is handled.
But he really is way too distorted to my taste (just look at the bottom left picture
Rich linked to).
Is he a French creation?
Olivier
artists whose stories I liked very much. Fond memories...
Still haven't had time to read "Donald Quixote". I only read such things
(ie, stories I love) when I'm sure I won't be interrupted, and that's usually
at night in my bed. But these last few days I already had something to read:
Don Rosa's CK & PP! Finished CK last night. Enjoyed every panel of both!
Apostolis & Fernando:
I recall this Red Bat Fethry! He changed clothes in a garbage can!
I like the Jaime Diaz studio stories very much too. Funny and full of very funny
little details. I especially love the Goofy stories (History, Inventions, Adaptations
of Novels). And those incredibly inventive layouts!
Rich:
Thanks for the information on Michel!
Sounds like an interesting idea. A satire of groupies. It depends how it is handled.
But he really is way too distorted to my taste (just look at the bottom left picture
Rich linked to).
Is he a French creation?
Olivier
Stephan Packard
Barksisms in everyday life
Message 339 -
2001-04-20 at 13:35:05
Hi all,
Donald wrote:
> Aside from being an excellent artist and storyteller, Barks could really
> turn a phrase. Who else uses stuff like that?
This is not exactly what you're asking for, but here's an addition to
the German language that originates in the Disney Comics and has
not only survived translation - which most of the real Barksisms
probably haven't - but was in fact created in the act of translating.
Our language didn't have soundwords. Oh, there was something like
"Bang!" ("Bumm!") and a few more, but it is impossible in German
to simply quote a verb in order to express that something is doing the
act; I mean thins like saying "sigh" instead of sighing etc.
It was, I believe, up to Erika Fuchs, translator of some of the very
first Disney Comics that were introduced to Germany, to create a
completely new grammatical category for our verbs. This new
morphological phenomenon (for those who want to know) leaves off
the "-en" - ending that marks our infinitive, so it is theoretically the
same as the imperative... so the infinitive of "to sigh" in German is
"seufzen", and the imperative is "seufz!" ("sigh! do it! now!").
But the elegance of Fuchs' invention is that she seems to have hit on
an unknown quality in our language, because *nobody* confuses these
new forms with the (identically looking) imperative, and everyone
understands the meaning of "seufz" within prose, ie the person speaking
is actually sighing.
This new form is now in common use, and most people that use and
understand it don't know where it comes from. In all kinds of prose,
in novels, articles, anywhere you might find it; and especially in internet
communication, where there is a real need for such words that reflect
an attitude better than a lengthy description could (similar to smileys),
it is extremely common.
:-)
All the best,
Stephan
Donald wrote:
> Aside from being an excellent artist and storyteller, Barks could really
> turn a phrase. Who else uses stuff like that?
This is not exactly what you're asking for, but here's an addition to
the German language that originates in the Disney Comics and has
not only survived translation - which most of the real Barksisms
probably haven't - but was in fact created in the act of translating.
Our language didn't have soundwords. Oh, there was something like
"Bang!" ("Bumm!") and a few more, but it is impossible in German
to simply quote a verb in order to express that something is doing the
act; I mean thins like saying "sigh" instead of sighing etc.
It was, I believe, up to Erika Fuchs, translator of some of the very
first Disney Comics that were introduced to Germany, to create a
completely new grammatical category for our verbs. This new
morphological phenomenon (for those who want to know) leaves off
the "-en" - ending that marks our infinitive, so it is theoretically the
same as the imperative... so the infinitive of "to sigh" in German is
"seufzen", and the imperative is "seufz!" ("sigh! do it! now!").
But the elegance of Fuchs' invention is that she seems to have hit on
an unknown quality in our language, because *nobody* confuses these
new forms with the (identically looking) imperative, and everyone
understands the meaning of "seufz" within prose, ie the person speaking
is actually sighing.
This new form is now in common use, and most people that use and
understand it don't know where it comes from. In all kinds of prose,
in novels, articles, anywhere you might find it; and especially in internet
communication, where there is a real need for such words that reflect
an attitude better than a lengthy description could (similar to smileys),
it is extremely common.
:-)
All the best,
Stephan
Eta Beta
Angelo, Copyright & more (not all OT)
Message 340 -
2001-04-20 at 14:46:39
Let's start with the hot topic...
OK, Angelo has made a mistake, very likely a rather serious breech
of netiquette, but did he kill anybody ?
He's been insulted way beyond his faults, imho, and it's hardly
surprising to me that he felt compelled to reply on the same level
of virulence, which in turn generated even more hatred...
Let's please regain some sense of proportions, folks...
Nevertheless, I must say that I'm rather pleased whenever the shit
hits the fan on the matter of copyright laws...
I'm not criticizing the concept of intellectual property, far from
it, but very few seem to realize that current laws are mostly tailored
to protect the rights of the big dogs, leaving the rest of us up shit
creek... (OK, enough with foul language, now :-)
I don't know whether this happens in other countries, but here in
Italy part of the price for a *blank* recording medium goes to the
local Copyright Society (SIAE), which in turn shares that money
with record companies... that's because it is assumed that one would
ALWAYS use such media to make illegal copies of copyrighted material...
now, what if I record my own music on tapes or CDs ? What if I make
a movie of my children or pets ? Is it fair that I have to pay the
Sony or Columbia or whomever for that ? Why, for Pete's sake ? Because
they have the power to have such laws enforced, that's why, surely
not because that's *right*, nor *fair*...
What's more, the fee for joining, and being "protected" by said SIAE
is so high that most fairly unsuccessful musicians, like indeed yours
truly, cannot afford it... some choose to cheat, and it is a common
practice for gigging musicians to exchange songs they composed, but
never recorded, to be put in the playlists that one MUST fill for every
gig, even if they don't actually perform that song, just in order to
earn a few cents that would allow them, at the end of the year, to pay
the fee, because one never loses the faith of, one day, landing a
decent recording contract...
But what happens if one does ? That the record company owns those
rights, then, leaving only bread crumbs to the actual author...
This is just about the same situation Don Rosa often mentions about
his own work...
So, our fairly unsuccessful musician decides to go independent, and
wants to put up a web site as showroom for his music, but he cannot
afford professional services, so he tries with some "freebie" host...
only to discover that he's not allowed to upload MP3s, the only
viable format to distribute music on-line...
Again, WHOSE rights are being protected, here ? Surely not mine...
So, blessed be the internet, napster and all the pirates out there,
if they throw a brick into the still waters of copyright laws,
hoping that would sooner or later bring to a total revision of
the matter by some authority, possibly *international*...
Sorry about this long rant, I've been frustrated by these matters
for a long time...
Back to Disney now...
SOEREN, thanks for bringing up the subject of more varied discussions
on more characters and authors... it's been quite successful, even
though there have been more messages about the blood relation
between Scrooge and Grandma, and which is better between Barks and
Gottfredson... it's just that we like to nitpick on these kind of
details... :-)
I personally don't care much... I mean, I've grown up with a tradition
of Grandma being Scrooge's sister for some 30 years before Don Rosa
popped up saying she's not, so what ? The blood-relation was instrumental
to some *good*, old Italian stories, while its non existence was the same
to some *good* Rosa stories, why would I have to choose ?
I don't care, I appreciate *good* stories, period.
I think an excess of consistency would, in the long run, limit an
author's creativity...
Also, I strongly refuse to pick up one among Barks and Gottfredson,
they're totally different and I like them both. And Scarpa, and
Don Rosa, completing my own Disney Pantheon...
On a final note, I welcome the noticeably increased number of female
Disney fans among us... comics is not a man's world, hooray ! :-)
Cheers
Eta Beta
OK, Angelo has made a mistake, very likely a rather serious breech
of netiquette, but did he kill anybody ?
He's been insulted way beyond his faults, imho, and it's hardly
surprising to me that he felt compelled to reply on the same level
of virulence, which in turn generated even more hatred...
Let's please regain some sense of proportions, folks...
Nevertheless, I must say that I'm rather pleased whenever the shit
hits the fan on the matter of copyright laws...
I'm not criticizing the concept of intellectual property, far from
it, but very few seem to realize that current laws are mostly tailored
to protect the rights of the big dogs, leaving the rest of us up shit
creek... (OK, enough with foul language, now :-)
I don't know whether this happens in other countries, but here in
Italy part of the price for a *blank* recording medium goes to the
local Copyright Society (SIAE), which in turn shares that money
with record companies... that's because it is assumed that one would
ALWAYS use such media to make illegal copies of copyrighted material...
now, what if I record my own music on tapes or CDs ? What if I make
a movie of my children or pets ? Is it fair that I have to pay the
Sony or Columbia or whomever for that ? Why, for Pete's sake ? Because
they have the power to have such laws enforced, that's why, surely
not because that's *right*, nor *fair*...
What's more, the fee for joining, and being "protected" by said SIAE
is so high that most fairly unsuccessful musicians, like indeed yours
truly, cannot afford it... some choose to cheat, and it is a common
practice for gigging musicians to exchange songs they composed, but
never recorded, to be put in the playlists that one MUST fill for every
gig, even if they don't actually perform that song, just in order to
earn a few cents that would allow them, at the end of the year, to pay
the fee, because one never loses the faith of, one day, landing a
decent recording contract...
But what happens if one does ? That the record company owns those
rights, then, leaving only bread crumbs to the actual author...
This is just about the same situation Don Rosa often mentions about
his own work...
So, our fairly unsuccessful musician decides to go independent, and
wants to put up a web site as showroom for his music, but he cannot
afford professional services, so he tries with some "freebie" host...
only to discover that he's not allowed to upload MP3s, the only
viable format to distribute music on-line...
Again, WHOSE rights are being protected, here ? Surely not mine...
So, blessed be the internet, napster and all the pirates out there,
if they throw a brick into the still waters of copyright laws,
hoping that would sooner or later bring to a total revision of
the matter by some authority, possibly *international*...
Sorry about this long rant, I've been frustrated by these matters
for a long time...
Back to Disney now...
SOEREN, thanks for bringing up the subject of more varied discussions
on more characters and authors... it's been quite successful, even
though there have been more messages about the blood relation
between Scrooge and Grandma, and which is better between Barks and
Gottfredson... it's just that we like to nitpick on these kind of
details... :-)
I personally don't care much... I mean, I've grown up with a tradition
of Grandma being Scrooge's sister for some 30 years before Don Rosa
popped up saying she's not, so what ? The blood-relation was instrumental
to some *good*, old Italian stories, while its non existence was the same
to some *good* Rosa stories, why would I have to choose ?
I don't care, I appreciate *good* stories, period.
I think an excess of consistency would, in the long run, limit an
author's creativity...
Also, I strongly refuse to pick up one among Barks and Gottfredson,
they're totally different and I like them both. And Scarpa, and
Don Rosa, completing my own Disney Pantheon...
On a final note, I welcome the noticeably increased number of female
Disney fans among us... comics is not a man's world, hooray ! :-)
Cheers
Eta Beta
Kriton Kyrimis
DCML digest, Vol 1 #494 - 10 msgs
Message 341 -
2001-04-20 at 14:47:21
SHAUN:
> The other day I heard great squeals of delight coming from my room from
> my 1 1/2 year old daughter. I went in and found her on the floor
> surrounded by a big pile of coins, which she was picking up in hand
> fulls and placing on her head to let them tinkle all over the ground!
Be sure to remind her of this incident when she gets to that rebelious
age where money becomes an object to be despised!
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"Time is the ultimate nonrenewable resource, and we are rapidly running
out of it."
-----
> The other day I heard great squeals of delight coming from my room from
> my 1 1/2 year old daughter. I went in and found her on the floor
> surrounded by a big pile of coins, which she was picking up in hand
> fulls and placing on her head to let them tinkle all over the ground!
Be sure to remind her of this incident when she gets to that rebelious
age where money becomes an object to be despised!
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"Time is the ultimate nonrenewable resource, and we are rapidly running
out of it."
-----
Francois Willot
New Character: Michel Souris
Message 342 -
2001-04-20 at 15:08:52
Rich:
Your description is an excellent one and seems absolutely correct to me. One
thing you can add is that Michel Souris now works at the redaction of
Mickey-Parade (the French monthly pocket book) with Mickey, where Michel
Souris is doing lots of goofs (this is shown in short stories published in
Mickey-Parade) - a bit like Gaston Lagaffe. But of course the comics are way
beyond Gaston.
Olivier:
>Is he a French creation?
Yes, Michel Souris was created by Didier le Bornec in "Le doubl? doubl?"
(code F JM 00203), JM 2490 (march 2000).
Francois
Your description is an excellent one and seems absolutely correct to me. One
thing you can add is that Michel Souris now works at the redaction of
Mickey-Parade (the French monthly pocket book) with Mickey, where Michel
Souris is doing lots of goofs (this is shown in short stories published in
Mickey-Parade) - a bit like Gaston Lagaffe. But of course the comics are way
beyond Gaston.
Olivier:
>Is he a French creation?
Yes, Michel Souris was created by Didier le Bornec in "Le doubl? doubl?"
(code F JM 00203), JM 2490 (march 2000).
Francois
Petri Kanninen
Introducktion and current production
Message 343 -
2001-04-20 at 15:36:14
Hi!
This is my second message here and I thought an introducktion would be
nice. So here we go:
My name is Petri Kanninen and I'm a 20-year-old chemistry student from
Finland. I was first introduced to Disney comics very small. I can't
remember how old I was but my grandparents subscripted Aku Ankka (Finnish
weekly) and as long as I remember I have been watching/reading them. They
had started the subscription for my aunt around 1970, so they had mighty
archive through witch I went a couple of times. But Aku Ankka was not the
thing for me. After all they were my grandparents' and I could read them
only when we visited them. The thing that really rocked my world where the
pocket books. I still remember (or at least I think I remember) the
morning when I found a pocket book next to my bed. After that it was all
comics for me. I started buying these pocket books myself, but as I was
only 6 years old I didn't have much money of my own. So every bought
pocket book was a treasure to me. I read through them many times and
actually my first memory of reading is a story from the pocket books (I TL
1334-B, to be exact). When I had slowly gathered a full collection of
them, I didn't stop. I started collecting another series and another and
so on. So today I own most of the Disney-comics published in Finland (not
counting the weekly). Although I now subscripe to Aku Ankka I still think
of it as secondary publications after the pocket books. So my love for
pocket books hasn't subsided (I'll probably be buried with them) as one
can notice if he follows the link in my signature. The site is in Finnish
but there is a short "What is this site" -article in English. I have also
indexed a few issues to Inducks.
So that about history. What do I like now? The golden oldies of course
Barks, Gottfredson and Scarpa and not-so-oldie-but-golden-anyway Rosa.
They form my top four and there is absolutely no way I could put them in
any order (except alphabetical).
Next on my line are Italian comics. As I grew with them they have the
splendor in my eyes that can overcome the not-the-best-possible quality.
The names Carpi, Bottaro, Martina, Asteriti, De Vita (Massimo that is),
Cimino, Gatto, Cavazzano and a dozen of later artists whose names I don't
remeber right now. But then again there are artists that I have never
liked one bit like Perego, Pier Lorenzo De Vita, Luciano Capitanio
(especially his duck-stories, his mouse is a lot better) and Giancarlo
Gatti. It was a fun thing to notice that when Finnish pocket books printed
a couple of Gatti's recent stories (Nonno Bassotto e la disonest?
inopportuna I TL 2169-2 and Paperoga e la giornata da star I TL 2177-3)
his style had changed so much that I almost liked it.
Well after the the Italians comes Egmont (excluding Rosa, Scarpa and
Rota). Their stories just don't inspire me. It's probably because their
stories too much alike. All Donald stories feel like they are by Vicar and
the plots feel like they've been used a hundred times. Italian stories
have more personality to them. I'm more a watcher then a reader. I mean
that I enjoy a well drawn story with a weak plot more than a badly drawn
story with a good plot. And Egmont's Mickey stories... I don't know where
the idea to put his red shorts back on came but I don't like it one bit.
That's something from the 30's. And suddenly he became something more like
a second Donald. It's not the Mickey I grew with. Oh well, perhaps I'll
get used to it some day. One good artist has caught my eye and that is
Flemming Andersen. He is like van Horn, only funner and better. Even
Rosa's stories don't make laugh so much as couple of his best stories
(Caution - Artist at Work D 97466 and The Grapes of Wrath D 95114). He
doesn't write his stories but he does have to affect the scripts somehow
because the humor in the stories is so well in tune with his drawings.
Finally we get to the bottom of things with S-coded and Westerns non-Barks
comics. Most of them plainly bore me. There are few exceptions like some
of Murry's stories and some Little Bad Wolf stories, but mainly I don't
like them a bit. Perhaps I should read more of them to really understand
them but I usually find something better to do then that.
I can't say much of Brasilian ja French comics because we don't see them a
lot if Finland but I sure would like to read them.
Okay, perhaps that was enough for one day. Now I'll go and buy the new
pocket book and perhaps return to write something about it after the
weekend.
--
Petri Kanninen (pkannine at cc.hut.fi)
"El?m? muodostaa komplekseja."
Aku Ankan taskukirja -tietokanta:
http://www.perunamaa.net/taskarit/
This is my second message here and I thought an introducktion would be
nice. So here we go:
My name is Petri Kanninen and I'm a 20-year-old chemistry student from
Finland. I was first introduced to Disney comics very small. I can't
remember how old I was but my grandparents subscripted Aku Ankka (Finnish
weekly) and as long as I remember I have been watching/reading them. They
had started the subscription for my aunt around 1970, so they had mighty
archive through witch I went a couple of times. But Aku Ankka was not the
thing for me. After all they were my grandparents' and I could read them
only when we visited them. The thing that really rocked my world where the
pocket books. I still remember (or at least I think I remember) the
morning when I found a pocket book next to my bed. After that it was all
comics for me. I started buying these pocket books myself, but as I was
only 6 years old I didn't have much money of my own. So every bought
pocket book was a treasure to me. I read through them many times and
actually my first memory of reading is a story from the pocket books (I TL
1334-B, to be exact). When I had slowly gathered a full collection of
them, I didn't stop. I started collecting another series and another and
so on. So today I own most of the Disney-comics published in Finland (not
counting the weekly). Although I now subscripe to Aku Ankka I still think
of it as secondary publications after the pocket books. So my love for
pocket books hasn't subsided (I'll probably be buried with them) as one
can notice if he follows the link in my signature. The site is in Finnish
but there is a short "What is this site" -article in English. I have also
indexed a few issues to Inducks.
So that about history. What do I like now? The golden oldies of course
Barks, Gottfredson and Scarpa and not-so-oldie-but-golden-anyway Rosa.
They form my top four and there is absolutely no way I could put them in
any order (except alphabetical).
Next on my line are Italian comics. As I grew with them they have the
splendor in my eyes that can overcome the not-the-best-possible quality.
The names Carpi, Bottaro, Martina, Asteriti, De Vita (Massimo that is),
Cimino, Gatto, Cavazzano and a dozen of later artists whose names I don't
remeber right now. But then again there are artists that I have never
liked one bit like Perego, Pier Lorenzo De Vita, Luciano Capitanio
(especially his duck-stories, his mouse is a lot better) and Giancarlo
Gatti. It was a fun thing to notice that when Finnish pocket books printed
a couple of Gatti's recent stories (Nonno Bassotto e la disonest?
inopportuna I TL 2169-2 and Paperoga e la giornata da star I TL 2177-3)
his style had changed so much that I almost liked it.
Well after the the Italians comes Egmont (excluding Rosa, Scarpa and
Rota). Their stories just don't inspire me. It's probably because their
stories too much alike. All Donald stories feel like they are by Vicar and
the plots feel like they've been used a hundred times. Italian stories
have more personality to them. I'm more a watcher then a reader. I mean
that I enjoy a well drawn story with a weak plot more than a badly drawn
story with a good plot. And Egmont's Mickey stories... I don't know where
the idea to put his red shorts back on came but I don't like it one bit.
That's something from the 30's. And suddenly he became something more like
a second Donald. It's not the Mickey I grew with. Oh well, perhaps I'll
get used to it some day. One good artist has caught my eye and that is
Flemming Andersen. He is like van Horn, only funner and better. Even
Rosa's stories don't make laugh so much as couple of his best stories
(Caution - Artist at Work D 97466 and The Grapes of Wrath D 95114). He
doesn't write his stories but he does have to affect the scripts somehow
because the humor in the stories is so well in tune with his drawings.
Finally we get to the bottom of things with S-coded and Westerns non-Barks
comics. Most of them plainly bore me. There are few exceptions like some
of Murry's stories and some Little Bad Wolf stories, but mainly I don't
like them a bit. Perhaps I should read more of them to really understand
them but I usually find something better to do then that.
I can't say much of Brasilian ja French comics because we don't see them a
lot if Finland but I sure would like to read them.
Okay, perhaps that was enough for one day. Now I'll go and buy the new
pocket book and perhaps return to write something about it after the
weekend.
--
Petri Kanninen (pkannine at cc.hut.fi)
"El?m? muodostaa komplekseja."
Aku Ankan taskukirja -tietokanta:
http://www.perunamaa.net/taskarit/
Donald Markstein
DCML digest, Vol 1 #494 - 10 msgs
Message 344 -
2001-04-20 at 16:09:04
> And maybe this is the right attitude after all... who cares? So much the
> worse for him, let's go back to mucks and dice... er-.. ducks and mice
that
> is ;-)
And bugs -- don't forget Bucky!
Wolves, too.
Quack, Don
Today in Toons: Every day's an anniversary. What's today?
http://www.toonopedia.com/today.htm
> worse for him, let's go back to mucks and dice... er-.. ducks and mice
that
> is ;-)
And bugs -- don't forget Bucky!
Wolves, too.
Quack, Don
Today in Toons: Every day's an anniversary. What's today?
http://www.toonopedia.com/today.htm
Angelo Toti
The liar and thief, Mr. Totti
Message 345 -
2001-04-20 at 16:43:19
>I encourage all whose pages have been stolen by the
liar and thief, Mr.
>Totti, to SHOW him what can be done about it, by
filling out the form found
>at http://geocities.yahoo.com/v/alert.html.
I have taken off my pages. What do you want more? Do
you want to arrest me? Are you a cop?
>Yes, it is a matter of respect. But it is also a
matter of right and
>wrong -- and of legally enforceable rights.
Because of course all laws are good laws.
The biggest catastrophes (WWII) came because of the
same reasoning.
People blindly following laws, even if that means
murders or worse.
I don't mind about your laws. So many internet users
break them, do you want to put them all in jail?
Don Rosa:
>But hey, speakin' of crap, have we ever seen anyone
as full of the stuff as
>Angelo Toti/Totti? Wotta laff riot!!!
Is it just normal and natural in your country to
publicly insult people like that?
Aah, and, Harry Fluks:
>You have some strange points of view, and lots of
your reasoning doesn't
>make sense at all.
It's easy to say "you have some strange points of
view"... "lots of your reasoning"... "doesn't make
sense". Without saying anything on what sentences
"don't make sense".
>> The internet will always be a big mess where you
can
>> find pirated softwares, copyrighted music, games
(to name
>> the three most populars) etc. for free. That is not
extravagant, that is the
>> truth.
>
>When you write "will always be", that's a prediction.
Therefore it cannot be
>"the truth", since we don't know the future yet.
When I say "tomorrow, 1 + 1 will still equal 2" this
is a prediction, and this is also the truth.
The error in your reasoning is at the last part of
your sentence: "we don't know the future yet". We do
know part of what the future will be.
__________________________________________________
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liar and thief, Mr.
>Totti, to SHOW him what can be done about it, by
filling out the form found
>at http://geocities.yahoo.com/v/alert.html.
I have taken off my pages. What do you want more? Do
you want to arrest me? Are you a cop?
>Yes, it is a matter of respect. But it is also a
matter of right and
>wrong -- and of legally enforceable rights.
Because of course all laws are good laws.
The biggest catastrophes (WWII) came because of the
same reasoning.
People blindly following laws, even if that means
murders or worse.
I don't mind about your laws. So many internet users
break them, do you want to put them all in jail?
Don Rosa:
>But hey, speakin' of crap, have we ever seen anyone
as full of the stuff as
>Angelo Toti/Totti? Wotta laff riot!!!
Is it just normal and natural in your country to
publicly insult people like that?
Aah, and, Harry Fluks:
>You have some strange points of view, and lots of
your reasoning doesn't
>make sense at all.
It's easy to say "you have some strange points of
view"... "lots of your reasoning"... "doesn't make
sense". Without saying anything on what sentences
"don't make sense".
>> The internet will always be a big mess where you
can
>> find pirated softwares, copyrighted music, games
(to name
>> the three most populars) etc. for free. That is not
extravagant, that is the
>> truth.
>
>When you write "will always be", that's a prediction.
Therefore it cannot be
>"the truth", since we don't know the future yet.
When I say "tomorrow, 1 + 1 will still equal 2" this
is a prediction, and this is also the truth.
The error in your reasoning is at the last part of
your sentence: "we don't know the future yet". We do
know part of what the future will be.
__________________________________________________
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Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices
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