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Anders Christian Siveb?k:

> >To Donald Markstein: don't worry, I won't use your
> >site because it is all crap.
> As said insults are not appropriate here. Donald has but just as much work
> in his great page as the people you stole from. You shouldn't insult
> people like that. I hope you don't do so to your real relations, or they
> might do something drastic to you.

Thanks, but of course, a knee-jerk response from someone who obviously
hasn't even seen my site isn't really an insult.

To tell the truth, I was HOPING he'd be immature enough to say that. It gave
me an excuse to post URLs to all my Disney pages, and invite the folks here
to decide for themselves. As a result, those pages have been read about
twice as many times as usual during the past 24 hours, and response has been
quite favorable. This will make it just a little bit easier to sell
advertising on the site, and start making a little money from my efforts.

(And if anybody missed the chance, you can find links into the Toonopedia
through the URL below.) (Heh heh. Did it again.)

Quack, Don

Today in Toons: Every day's an anniversary. What's today?
http://www.toonopedia.com/today.htm

From: "Shelley Hanson/KlezmerAllThatJazz"
<klezmerallthatjazz at earthlink.net>

> As Steven Rowe says, we U.S. readers would be happy to discuss other
artists
> and writers, if only we could get copies of their work. Does anyone have
> recommendations as to which European publications would be good to start
> with, and an address of a bookstore where such things could be ordered?
(I
> can read French and, with a dictionary in one hand, Italian and Spanish;
a
> little German but that would be with a dictionary in two hands.)

Well, from Italy I would definitely suggest "Zio Paperone". It reprints
"old" stories, both Italian and not, but to an American eye all Italian
stories look "new".
Unfortunately I acn't suggest anything Italian with *really* new stuff. It
is true that in Topolino they sometimes publish interesting things... but
they mostly don't.

> I am surprised by the suggestion that Grandma Duck and Scrooge are in any
> way related, because in several of Barks' stories (as in a one-pager
where
> he takes her out to dinner and there seems to be a little gallant "body
> language"), there does seem to be the possibility of a little vestigial
> romantic spark. !!!

They've always been brother and sister here in Italy, due, probably, to a
mistake made by a translator a long ago (or maybe somebody just thought
they coulde be bother and sisters and wrote so... weird, since a "uncle"
can hardly be brother of a "grandma" :-)

--
Sprea
http://digilander.iol.it/sgrizzo (Scarpa)

From: "Luca Boschi" <cnotw at zen.it>

> Well, I can tell you that now Celoni is drawing the Italian hit "Dylan
Dog",
> a very popular horror title.I look forward that book. The Sergio
Bonelli's
> editor M. Marcheselli contacted Fabio after appreciating his job in the
b&w
> Faraci's book "Topolino Noir".

Now this is really interesting! Since Faraci too will be writing for Dylan
Dog (didn't he say so at those public meetings?) it seems to me that
Bonelli is "stealing" (so to say) artists from disney.
I never like Dylan Dog but I'll certainly be buying these issues, at least
out of curiosity... I do think that Celoni might do a great job on DD
(Dylan Dog, not Donlad Duck ;-)

BTW, about "Topolino Noir"... those black and white reprints on good
quality paper (not glossy, I hate glossy paper) made parreciate for the
first time ever a Celoni's story and a Mottura's one!
Ia had actually forgot to mention this detail previously.. glossy paper
make stories look worse than they actually are, and "Topolino" is printed
with glossy paper)

(I do hope "glossy" is the right term... i mean that kind of paper that
reflects light, leaving you unable to read a comic in front of a lamp...)

--
Sprea
http://digilander.iol.it/sgrizzo (Scarpa)
http://heinlein.cjb.net (RAH)

From: "Botto Armando" <Armando.Botto at elsag.it>

> Hmmm... I agree about the "great art". Apart from the "old masters"
(Scarpa,
> Cavazzano, Massimo De Vita, Rota), there are a few "youngsters" I like a
lot
> (Mastantuono, to name one, but also Silvia Ziche's very personal style is
> worth mentioning). And, in general, the average quality of the art is
indeed
> very good (sorry to disagree with Sprea, but I even like Celoni's art
;-)).

I don't think you really disagree about average quality.. you might like
Celoni, as much as I like, for example, Claudio Sciarrone (that maybe you
hate ;-), but still how many Celoni's stories (or Sciarrone's) have you
seen lately? Very, very very few, let me tell you, I index Topolino every
week ;-) The average quality is made by... want some names? I'll call you
names.. ehm.. no, that's not what I mean, I'll list some names! ;-)
Chiavini, Mazzon, Freccero, Forcelloni, Lucania, Frate, Pavone, Maccarini,
Vetro, Guerrini (oh how much I don't like Guerrini's art! :-), Barbaro,
Gula, Palazzi...

... now, I've just listed their names, I have no idea what most of their
arts look like, they all seem to look more or less the same, and that's the
average!
(I left out my favourites of course, that is, besides Ziche and Sciarrone,
Perina, Faccini, Camboni and Molinari)

> But I couldn't agree less when it comes to *story telling*. IMHO, most of
> the I-coded scripts are simply routine. And - again IMHO - a routine
script
> cannot be redeemed, not even by a great artist.

Yes, and the same for the opposite I think. Still when I see a story which
art I don't like, I probably won't even bother reading it (never finding
out that maybe the script is great), while I get to read all Cavazzano's
stories to evntually find out that the script is weak.

> There are a few notable exceptions, of course: Tito Faraci above all (but
> rumour has it that he's not going to write Disney stories any longer),
and a
> bunch of "complete" artists, who sometimes both write and draw their
> stories: Silvia Ziche, Enrico Faccini, the Leoni-Negrin "team", DCML
member
> Blasco Pisapia... and, recently, Mastantuono himself.

Yes, there's generally something "more" in stories made by complete
artists, I don't know why (and I remember someone else saying this lately
somewher... maybe Don on the Italian newsgroup? I'm not sure)

> Good question. Maybe we're just a bit lazy, that's another of our
national
> characteristics ;-)

We're like the Gringos in Vulcanovia ;-)

> > But still... you've posted a couple of times on
> > the Italian comics newsgroup, and you have seen that there's no one
> > there talking about Disney comics; that is, no one but me, but
certainly
> > I can't speak alone.
>
> Why not? You get answered, sometimes... and I enjoy lurking there, as you
> know well ;-)

Generally I answer to questions when someone comes up saying soething like
"I remember an old story in which Donald and Fethry look for a boat... can
anybody help me find th title?" (always the same story they look for, I
don't know why :-)

[about finding Giuseppe Perego]

> Please do! I'm sure he would have plenty of interesting things to say...
I
> hope he's still alive, he must be well over 80...

After Turin I'll see what I can do. I've seen 5 "Giuseppe Perego" in the
Arcore's phone book (stil nobody tells us he's still liveing there, he
might have moved to Bermudas :-)

--
Sprea
http://digilander.iol.it/sgrizzo (Scarpa)

Few days ago, I obtained a German comic book that looks very odd to me.
It is called "Micky Maus" on the cover, but the style of title
lettering and design is totally different from the well-known German
weekly "Micky Maus". A scan of the cover can be seen here:
http://geocities.com/derfuehrerspage/stuff/oddcomic.jpg (158 kb)
It bears a "Nr. 25" line on the cover, and the price is given in DM
(1,50); it has 36 pages (including covers) plus cardboard extra pages
(including an "Entenhausen Bastelspass" in the style of MM 2-13/1976 and
a "Schnipp" mark that did not appear before MM 2/1976) in the middle.
Though the comic book's contents are totally different from Micky Maus
25/1975, the interior pages (pp. 3-34) are virtually identical (color,
translation, typesetting) to the issue of MICKYVISION (!) 11/1975
(including the indicia), but without cardboard pages - and the only real
difference is that the pages of the odd comic book are NOT numbered (in
the Mickyvision issue the pages are numbered).
Does anyone on the list know the origin of this comic book? When was it
published, or has it been published at all? Is it a one-of-a-kind or an
April Fool's gag? I have asked a few donaldist experts but no-one has
ever seen such a thing.

Klaus

>
>> Only Fireman Donald has been published more
>> often as far as I remember. 1963, '74, '80 (or thereabouts in the
>> classics), '90, '98 and now 2001. that's 6 times.
>
>Plus the original publication from 1949 makes 7. Actually:
>
>AA1949-01,AA1968-03*,BH 1*,AA1984B24,AA1994B17,AA1999B09, and now in 2001.
Sorry! I made myself misunderstandable. Those years I was listing was the
publications of the Andes story. The fireman has also been published in
two or 3 rows of republications, and as a children's book two times.

>But that's *only* 7 times! That same story has been printed in Holland 11
>times:
>
>DD1952-01*,DD1971-50*,BV 1,DDJ1952 1*,DDJ1952 2*,DDFAC 1*,JUB 1,AKVCB
>3,AKV
>3,MA1992-32,DD2000-36*.
>

... in case the server does not allow you to watch the cover image
(which seems likely):
- go to: http://geocities.com/derfuehrerspage/stuff/
- click the oddcomic.jpg link

Klaus