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Hi all,

I've been reading this ML for quite a while now, I have
enjoyed it greatly (thanks for all of your
contributions) and I feel it's time to introduce myself
to all of you.

My name's Stephan Packard and I live in Munich (which
is in Bavaria which is in Germany). I used to read an
enormous amount of Disney Comics when I was child, MM,
DD, LTP and all the other German publications you can
name - and then, suddenly, I must have stopped. I say
"must have" because for the sake of me I can't remember
how that came about, I only know that around the age of
14 or so, I was still an avid fan; when I was 17, I had
stopped buying or reading the comics, and I can't
imagine why or even when I ever made that decision.
There must have been some week sometime which was the
first week in many, many years that I didn't buy the
Micky Maus - magazine, and I probably had a reason not
do. I wonder what it was. Oh well.

However, whilst I had stopped reading comics, I did
carry on reading and now I find myself studying
literature at Munich University. My interest in comics
has been reawakened by some work on non-alphabetical
forms of text, and so I am slowly getting reacquainted
with the heroes of my childhood. I have forgotten a lot
of things, and a lot of other things have changed. The
first change I realised was that Egmont has now started
to put the writer's and the artist's name on the first
page of every story; years ago, no one had any idea who
was responsible for which story. Even so, of course,
some styles were recognisable, and there was one style
of drawing for the Ducks that I had long labelled "the
good and posh storys" in my mind; it is only now that I
can attach the name of Don Rosa to these favorites of
mine :-)

Anyway, I'm here to join in with some of the
discussions and to learn or re-learn my way around the
world of the Disney comics; and I'm looking forward to
this immensely. My thanks go out to those of you who
tell us about the contents of the Italian, Greek etc.
Disney publications; some of these can be found at the
main station or the airport here, and the reports on
this list have encouraged me to buy some KOMIX issues
and do my very best with my limited knowledge and a
dictionary.

I am very interested in purchasing the original English
version of Don Rosa's storys, especially the Lo$; and
the original Italian version of some comics, especially
the PKNA books that are, alas, not printed in Germany
anymore. If anyone can give me a hint on how to order
these here in Germany (Amazon doesn't seem to sell
them...?), that would be great.

All the best,
Stephan

Thanks to Armando, Sprea (or Sprea, Armando) and Luca
Boschi for replying to my question regarding how many Rosa
stories are unpublished in Italy.

If we except the latest stories, I understand that there
are 4 "old" stories with art by Don Rosa that are
unpublished in Italy - 2 Dutch ones and 2 Danish ones. That
is still a lot, but I am glad to hear from Luca that Zio
Paperone will publish them.

The only story drawn by Rosa that Hachette didn't publish
is the 3-pages Daisy birthday story; we are waiting for the
next celebration of Daisy's birthday to print it.

Sprea:

>Too many to count, but, regarding old Milton Stories,
honestly, I don't
>feel a particular need to read them :-)

I was talking about the duo stories Milton / Jippes which I
think could not be missed, especially by you.

Armando
>Do you refer to the stories produced by Jippes and Milton
as a duo, in the
>late 70es - early 80es? If so, the Inducks lists 13
stories, of which 10
>have been published in "Zio Paperone" so far.

Yep.

Favio
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First off, I apologize to all for this marginally-topical series of posts. I
thought the issue would have been settled by now.

Second, I will continue to refer to Angelo Totti as "Mr. Totti". As a
creator of intellectual property, I treat avowed plagiarists as enemies,
since they represent a direct threat to my way of life; and I do not address
my enemies by their first names.

Mr. Totti takes the point of view that the physical possibility of theft
makes it morally and legally acceptable. Are the windows of Mr. Totti's home
unbreakable? If not, then by his standards, there isn't a thing in the world
that he legitimately owns.

It is not surprising that Mr. Totti takes this point of view, as he holds a
similar attitude toward keeping his own word. The company that hosts his
site, Yahoo/Geocities, requires that anyone using its services agree to its
Terms of Service. If he had not agreed to them, his site would not be there.
The Yahoo/Geocities Terms of Service forbid copyright violation -- as, by
the way, do the Terms of Service of ALL Internet servers. He has stated that
he does not feel bound by his agreement -- i.e., that he was lying when he
clicked the "I Agree" button in setting up his site.

(And let me point out that under most current copyright laws, you do not
need a copyright notice on your site to claim copyright; nor is such a claim
damaged by the presence of a few short quotes for purpose of review or
illustration [e.g., a couple of phrases or images out of context]. In other
words, those Terms of Service protect everyone here whose work Mr. Totti has
stolen.)

Mr. Totti bolsters his lying, stealing agenda by belittling the ability of a
copyright holder to profit from his creation. Of course, he knows nothing of
my financial affairs or that of any other owner of intellectual property
whose legal and moral rights he has violated -- but this mode of attack is
only a red herring anyway. The copyright holder's success in exploiting his
property is no more the issue than is the use any other property owner makes
of his belongings. The point -- the ONLY point -- is that it belongs to
someone else, and therefore he does not have the right to use it.

I encourage all whose pages have been stolen by the liar and thief, Mr.
Totti, to SHOW him what can be done about it, by filling out the form found
at http://geocities.yahoo.com/v/alert.html.

Quack, Don

Today in Toons: Every day's an anniversary. What's today?
http://www.toonopedia.com/today.htm

FRANCESCO SAYS:

> "I reserve me" the right to ask for the owner of the list (Harry? Per?) to
> throw this guy the hell out of here, thanks.
>
> --
> Sprea
>

AND I REPLY:

I will second the motion. Do we need to vote on whether must continue to
endure the rantings of a confessed thief?

--
Dan Shane
(danshane at bellsouth.net)

From: "S?ren Krarup Olesen" <raptus at stofanet.dk>

> Kicking him off this list is pure discrimination. History has shown
> that nothing good comes out of that. Angelo has not spammed this list
> in any sense, nor has he posted off-topic messages.

I second that (and I also am the owner of a site that Angelo "used").

Francois

The COA pages are still at:
http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/coa/c1/
http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/coa/

Hi all

Harry Fluks wrote:

> Very few Brazilian stories were printed in Holland.
> And their quality varies from very bad to very good>
(like I think is the case with stories from any other
> country!).

A few Br. stories were published in Greece too. I only
remember Ferthry be a "Batduck" hero or something like
that.
BTW, is Jaime Diaz from Brazil? If it is, many stories
by him have been published here, in both Komix and
Mickey Mystery (and Mixkey Mouse), if I remember
correctly.
Best Wishes

=====
Apostolis Trikourakis, Athens, Greece
E-mail: komixgreekpage at yahoo.com
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/komixgreekpage

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From: <DGE at ECN.egmont.com>

> No offense to the late and great Maestro Barks, one of the great
> storytellers of all time, but... I've been wondering if anyone was going
to
> make the statement you have. :-)

It's not as rare as you might think :-)
Me, for one, condider at the same level Barks, Gottfredson and Scarpa (In
alphabetical order).

Unfortunately you have to consider that even in countries where Gottfredson
has been somewhat reprinted, there is this... "somewhat" that makes the
difference.
Even here no *good and popular* edition of Gottfredson stories ever
existed, while we have the complete Barks on "Zio Paperone" and, of course,
all the "originals" by Scarpa.

For Gottfredson we only have old popular editions (cut, remounted, even
traced some times) or new non-popular editions (I'm thinking about the
Comic Art reprints...).

Probalby the best Italian edition, combining *low price* and quality, was
that of the attachments of the Italian newspaper "Il Messaggero", 12 years
ago. But that is a Rome's newspaper and it did not have a wide distribution
(I was a kid, I had to move some collegues of my mother's living in big
towns to find copies of those... and later I lost'em all, :-(( )

--
Sprea
http://digilander.iol.it/sgrizzo (Scarpa)
http://heinlein.cjb.net (RAH)

Stephan Packard (Welcome here!):

> I only know that around the age of
> 14 or so, I was still an avid fan; when I was 17, I had
> stopped buying or reading the comics, and I can't
> imagine why or even when I ever made that decision.

Funny thing. Most people seem to have a "gap" in Disney-comics fandom
somewhere around their puberty. Though most people I know can at least
remember why! 8-)
In my case, the decision was made by my parents. I was getting "too old" for
that stuff. I was 12 at the time. At age 15, I bought my first Disney comic
with my own money. "The Ghost of the Grotto", DD weekly 14, 1977 - ah sweet
memories...

> the Italian, Greek etc.
> Disney publications; some of these can be found at the
> main station or the airport here

Lucky you! I travel to Antwerpen (Belgium) from time to time, which is the
nearest place to buy French Disney comics. And they *do* have German comics
here (in Holland), but only during the summer (and not the albums etc.).
Apart from that, foreign comics are impossible to get here...

> I am very interested in purchasing the original English
> version of Don Rosa's storys, especially the Lo$;

I think Gladstone still accepts orders (maybe even by e-mail) for the 4
soft-cover albums that reprint the Life of Scrooge, and the other 4 albums
that reprint Rosa's early work. They shouldn't be too expensive.

--Harry.
Harry Fluks, Leidschendam, The Netherlands