Regarding Rodney Bowcock's comment on the location of Duckburg:
Yes, Barks specified its location in "Calisota". But that was only for the
convenience of one SINGLE story ("The Gilded Man"), to form a complete
address. He never referred to it again. Most of his early stories seemed
to indicate that it was in Southern California, within close proximity to
Disneyland (as did most of the other Western Pub. writers. The climate
(showing palm trees), deserts, seashore and mountains all being short auto
trips away, and geographical references to nearby City of Burbank and
street intersection of Wilshire and Western, indicated strongly the greater
Los Angeles area. The need to have snow in the winter, cyclones,
hurricanes and such made it plain that Duckburg was NOT in Southern
California. So, it must be in a magical place (still in USA for American
readers).
This was partly true for European readers in the late 1940s and 1950s. It
is clear that the "Wild west scenarios could not be located in Scandinavia,
Germany, Holland and France. However, in most of the European countries,
the Publisher also realised that it would be much more personal for the
younger readers to understand the stories and characters if the settings
were more familiar and the characters acted in the manner of the people
they are familiar with.
It seems to me that Duckstad is in The Netherlands; Entenhausen is in
Germany and Andeby is in Denmark, and Norway. The Swedish Duckburg must
certainly be in Sweden, and I am guessing that the Finnish, Italian and
French must also be implied to be located in their respective nations. But
this must only be "loosely" believed - as often the original USA roots show
through; and, mor importantly, it is clear that it must be thought of in
the back of the reader's mind as a "magical" and thus, fictional place.
When Saint Nicholas (Zinterklaas) sails into Amsterdam harbour the Ducks
are usually not even shown to take a car trip to come meet him, let alone
take a LONG car trip or train or airplane trip to go to Holland. It is
implied that they could have taken a very short auto trip, or a short train
or bus or possibly even a TRAM! I'm sure there are examples of this sort
of implication in all the European magazines.
It must be remebered that MOST readers are not Barksists or Donaldists.
They have no problem assuming that Duckburg is a fictional place that has
charicteristics all its own, partly taken from Disney
USA tradition, but yet mostly reflective of its own country's customs.
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Rob Klein
Duckburg in Denmark
Message 76 -
2001-04-08 at 19:33:11
Rob Klein
Oops! Must Correct Reference
Message 77 -
2001-04-08 at 20:28:27
Sorry Duckmeesters! I must correct an error I made in a reference to
Barks' using an intersection of Hollywood streets. He had Donald and the
Boys discussing the bad motor vehicle traffic congestion at the corner of
Wilshire (Boulevard) and VERMONT (Avenue) - NOT Western (Avenue). These
intersections are in Hollywood, California. This statement occurred in
Barks' 1950 Vacation parade (Summer vacation story - otherwise known as the
"Forest Fire Story". I'll be curious to hear comments from list members in
the various countries on how their editors handle the location of Duckburg.
Rob Klein
Barks' using an intersection of Hollywood streets. He had Donald and the
Boys discussing the bad motor vehicle traffic congestion at the corner of
Wilshire (Boulevard) and VERMONT (Avenue) - NOT Western (Avenue). These
intersections are in Hollywood, California. This statement occurred in
Barks' 1950 Vacation parade (Summer vacation story - otherwise known as the
"Forest Fire Story". I'll be curious to hear comments from list members in
the various countries on how their editors handle the location of Duckburg.
Rob Klein
Janne Heino
Kalevala
Message 78 -
2001-04-09 at 01:10:13
Hi !!
About the pronunciation...
Louhi - "Low - hit" (But you leave the "t" from the end.)
The other words are quite difficult to turn into "English", because Finnish and English are pronunced so differently.
Maybe I'll put them on WAV some day so you'll get the idea of the REAL Finnish pronunciation...
Janne Heino from Finland
About the pronunciation...
Louhi - "Low - hit" (But you leave the "t" from the end.)
The other words are quite difficult to turn into "English", because Finnish and English are pronunced so differently.
Maybe I'll put them on WAV some day so you'll get the idea of the REAL Finnish pronunciation...
Janne Heino from Finland
Marco Barlotti
Where is Paperopoli?
Message 79 -
2001-04-09 at 13:17:42
At 09:33:11 Sun, 8 Apr 2001 -0700, Rob Klein wrote:
>
>It seems to me that Duckstad is in The Netherlands; Entenhausen is in
>Germany and Andeby is in Denmark, and Norway. The Swedish Duckburg must
>certainly be in Sweden, and I am guessing that the Finnish, Italian and
>French must also be implied to be located in their respective nations.
That is certainly NOT true for Italy.
Paperopoli (Duckburg) and Topolinia (Mouseton) were always located in the
USA for Italian readers.
Romano Scarpa even made up the name of a new State (Calidornia) to place
Topolinia inside the USA.
And $crooge came to Italy looking for oil (in I TL 139-B, "Paperino e la
scoperta dell'Italia") very clearly from the USA (where an Italian emigrant
was shown to live...)
Marco
>
>It seems to me that Duckstad is in The Netherlands; Entenhausen is in
>Germany and Andeby is in Denmark, and Norway. The Swedish Duckburg must
>certainly be in Sweden, and I am guessing that the Finnish, Italian and
>French must also be implied to be located in their respective nations.
That is certainly NOT true for Italy.
Paperopoli (Duckburg) and Topolinia (Mouseton) were always located in the
USA for Italian readers.
Romano Scarpa even made up the name of a new State (Calidornia) to place
Topolinia inside the USA.
And $crooge came to Italy looking for oil (in I TL 139-B, "Paperino e la
scoperta dell'Italia") very clearly from the USA (where an Italian emigrant
was shown to live...)
Marco
M. Mitchell Marmel
FA: Air Pirates Comics #1 and 2
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Francesco Spreafico
"Carl Barks, l'uomo dei paperi"
Message 81 -
2001-04-09 at 14:12:16
From: "Fluks, H.W." <H.W.Fluks at kpn.com>
> What is "Barks' tuff-tuff"?
I knew somebody was gonna ask this... W WDC 112-02, that's it's Italian
title, I 'left there by mistake.
--
Sprea
> What is "Barks' tuff-tuff"?
I knew somebody was gonna ask this... W WDC 112-02, that's it's Italian
title, I 'left there by mistake.
--
Sprea
Fluks, H.W.
Duckburg in Denmark?
Message 82 -
2001-04-09 at 14:15:06
Rodney:
> When was it decided that Duckburg was in Denmark?
What makes you think that that was decided?
Rob:
> It seems to me that Duckstad is in The Netherlands;
Sometimes the Dutch editors explicitly state the Duckstad is *not* in The
Netherlands. For instance when they issued "Duckburgian" stamps: "you can't
use these on normal Dutch mail, children! You can't use a foreign stamp on a
Dutch letter!"
In other occasions, Duckstad has typical Amsterdam-like canal houses.
> Entenhausen is in
> Germany and Andeby is in Denmark, and Norway.
I don't think Entenhausen is in Germany. For instance, they don't pay with
Marks, they use Talers in stead. That's more "neutral" for the
German-speaking readers in other countries, like Austria, Switzerland,
Italy, Luxemburg, France, Belgium...
In Italy, the Duckburgians pay with Dollars. I think most Italian stories
refer to Paperopoli being somewhere in America. I think I've even seen a map
in an old Italian story, locating the city somewhere in or near California.
> When Saint Nicholas (Zinterklaas) sails into Amsterdam
> harbour the Ducks
> are usually not even shown to take a car trip to come meet
> him
Sinterklaas usually sails into the Duckstad harbour.
Or any harbour where the children live, actually (so it depends on which
child you're talking to).
--Harry.
> When was it decided that Duckburg was in Denmark?
What makes you think that that was decided?
Rob:
> It seems to me that Duckstad is in The Netherlands;
Sometimes the Dutch editors explicitly state the Duckstad is *not* in The
Netherlands. For instance when they issued "Duckburgian" stamps: "you can't
use these on normal Dutch mail, children! You can't use a foreign stamp on a
Dutch letter!"
In other occasions, Duckstad has typical Amsterdam-like canal houses.
> Entenhausen is in
> Germany and Andeby is in Denmark, and Norway.
I don't think Entenhausen is in Germany. For instance, they don't pay with
Marks, they use Talers in stead. That's more "neutral" for the
German-speaking readers in other countries, like Austria, Switzerland,
Italy, Luxemburg, France, Belgium...
In Italy, the Duckburgians pay with Dollars. I think most Italian stories
refer to Paperopoli being somewhere in America. I think I've even seen a map
in an old Italian story, locating the city somewhere in or near California.
> When Saint Nicholas (Zinterklaas) sails into Amsterdam
> harbour the Ducks
> are usually not even shown to take a car trip to come meet
> him
Sinterklaas usually sails into the Duckstad harbour.
Or any harbour where the children live, actually (so it depends on which
child you're talking to).
--Harry.
Fluks, H.W.
"Carl Barks, l'uomo dei paperi"
Message 83 -
2001-04-09 at 14:16:40
Francesco:
> an Italian new
> book dedicated to the Master (for his 100th birthday).
> - "Paperino e la vera storia della cimice Tuff-Tuff". New
> story by Luciano Bottaro inspired by Barks' "tuff-tuff"
What is "Barks' tuff-tuff"?
--Harry.
> an Italian new
> book dedicated to the Master (for his 100th birthday).
> - "Paperino e la vera storia della cimice Tuff-Tuff". New
> story by Luciano Bottaro inspired by Barks' "tuff-tuff"
What is "Barks' tuff-tuff"?
--Harry.
Fluks, H.W.
468, Kristian, Daniel, Harry
Message 84 -
2001-04-09 at 14:26:11
Anders (to me):
> it in one minute was my impression that you weren't
> the kind of fan, who likes some of the things your idol (?) has done.
I *am* the kind of fan who likes some of the things he did. Even more: I
like *most* of the things he did! But I also *dislike* some of the things he
did.
And because I'm a fan, my "disliking" is more irritating to me. If I weren't
a fan, I could simply ignore the things I don't like...
This goes for Rosa, but also for Barks, Jippes, Mike Oldfield, Marc
Uytterhoeven, Angus Deayton, etc. etc...
--Harry.
> it in one minute was my impression that you weren't
> the kind of fan, who likes some of the things your idol (?) has done.
I *am* the kind of fan who likes some of the things he did. Even more: I
like *most* of the things he did! But I also *dislike* some of the things he
did.
And because I'm a fan, my "disliking" is more irritating to me. If I weren't
a fan, I could simply ignore the things I don't like...
This goes for Rosa, but also for Barks, Jippes, Mike Oldfield, Marc
Uytterhoeven, Angus Deayton, etc. etc...
--Harry.
Don Rosa
DCML digest #471
Message 85 -
2001-04-09 at 15:58:20
> From: john garvin <jgarvin at bendcable.com>
> I don't have hard facts, anymore than Don has, as to the demographics of
litho buyers,
Well, all I can tell you is that when a litho showed an easily
understandable "generic" scene, such as a scene in a pile of money, buyers
were content. But when it referred to a very specific scene, such as the
dam breaking at the "Money Lake" and "Return to Plain Awful" with a square
chicken, the lithos were accompanied by a copy of a comic to explain the
scene to the buyers. I was hired to create one of those comics for the
buyers -- my "Return to Plain Awful" story was not MY idea. Bruce Hamilton
had me create that story *primarily* to be given to buyers of the litho to
explain the puzzling elements of the scene. They wanted *anybody* to buy
those scenes, Barks fans, "Disneyana" collectors who had never heard of
"Scrooge McDuck", "limited edition" art collectors/dealers/speculators,
*anybody*... they weren't trying to limit the appeal to *only* people who
had read the comics.
> And I disagree that the paintings aren't drawn directly from the comics,
because there
> are many elements taken directly from comic panels: the piles of cash,
the depth gauge,
> the square door and ladder, the tractor, the shovels, the ledger books,
Scrooge's
> diving about like a porpoise.
Obviously, but you leave out all the elements that are *not* just as in the
comics, such as the vault doors... the vault doors in the comics were very
plain looking, so they were fancied-up for the paintings. And the Bin is
shown to be as much filled with jewels and ancient treasure as it is coins,
which is nothing like what was ever shown in the comics. Nothing wrong with
that. But the purpose was not first and foremost to be accurate to the
comics. It was to make an eye-catching scene for buyers.
> Further, Don points out that the European versions were
> colored by folks who did not read the comics: you know what? so were the
American
> versions.
Well, I'm not as certain of that from personal experience as I am about the
European editions. But I've often said that the Dells were not following
Barks' ideas. For example, the Terries and Firmies were colored bright
rainbow colors, and it's clear that Barks intended them to be colored like
plain rocks, all alike. And the Philosopher's Stone is colored like gold,
though the story makes it clear that it's supposed to look like an ordinary
rock. But...
> So
> where is the evidence that Barks intended the coins to be silver?
Flipping through my
> issues of Uncle Scrooge, I find no instance of Scrooge refering to his
piles of coins
> by denomination.
Because our money is almost exclusively silver. And the stories refer to
the money in the Bin as being... normal money, not as being 3 cubic acres
of gold coins which would come from... where? Made by who? Why would Barks
intend them to be some other sort of "money" than what we use as money? I
don't get it...
> Underlying Don's comments, I think, is a belief that Scrooge is
> keeping hordes of nickels, dimes, pennys, and quarters, for sentimental
reasons, and
> that to make the coins gold lessens this sentimental attatchment.
Underlying my comments is simply the belief that we don't have gold coins
as our money. And also $crooge's sentimental attachment to them, as
demonstrated in a number of Barks stories... "I earned this dime in
so-and-so. I made this dollar working as a so-and-so".
> Indeed, the fact of the matter is that American currency
> has lots of varieties of gold coins and it is entirely possible that
Scrooge would keep
> a substantial number of them in his bin,
??? We've had some gold coins in the 19th century, even a $20 gold piece in
the early 1900's, and they were in extremely limited circulation. That
would be like having a thousand dollar bill nowadays! But I've still said
that $crooge surely has some gold coins in his Bin, I've mentioned it in
stories. But not ALL solid golden coins.
But I'm simply explaining why *I* am certain that the money in the Bin is
normal money. Sure, if, for some reason, you want to imagine that the Money
Bin is filled with small golden discs that $crooge had created himself to
swim in and refer to as "money", you are free to do so.
> I don't have hard facts, anymore than Don has, as to the demographics of
litho buyers,
Well, all I can tell you is that when a litho showed an easily
understandable "generic" scene, such as a scene in a pile of money, buyers
were content. But when it referred to a very specific scene, such as the
dam breaking at the "Money Lake" and "Return to Plain Awful" with a square
chicken, the lithos were accompanied by a copy of a comic to explain the
scene to the buyers. I was hired to create one of those comics for the
buyers -- my "Return to Plain Awful" story was not MY idea. Bruce Hamilton
had me create that story *primarily* to be given to buyers of the litho to
explain the puzzling elements of the scene. They wanted *anybody* to buy
those scenes, Barks fans, "Disneyana" collectors who had never heard of
"Scrooge McDuck", "limited edition" art collectors/dealers/speculators,
*anybody*... they weren't trying to limit the appeal to *only* people who
had read the comics.
> And I disagree that the paintings aren't drawn directly from the comics,
because there
> are many elements taken directly from comic panels: the piles of cash,
the depth gauge,
> the square door and ladder, the tractor, the shovels, the ledger books,
Scrooge's
> diving about like a porpoise.
Obviously, but you leave out all the elements that are *not* just as in the
comics, such as the vault doors... the vault doors in the comics were very
plain looking, so they were fancied-up for the paintings. And the Bin is
shown to be as much filled with jewels and ancient treasure as it is coins,
which is nothing like what was ever shown in the comics. Nothing wrong with
that. But the purpose was not first and foremost to be accurate to the
comics. It was to make an eye-catching scene for buyers.
> Further, Don points out that the European versions were
> colored by folks who did not read the comics: you know what? so were the
American
> versions.
Well, I'm not as certain of that from personal experience as I am about the
European editions. But I've often said that the Dells were not following
Barks' ideas. For example, the Terries and Firmies were colored bright
rainbow colors, and it's clear that Barks intended them to be colored like
plain rocks, all alike. And the Philosopher's Stone is colored like gold,
though the story makes it clear that it's supposed to look like an ordinary
rock. But...
> So
> where is the evidence that Barks intended the coins to be silver?
Flipping through my
> issues of Uncle Scrooge, I find no instance of Scrooge refering to his
piles of coins
> by denomination.
Because our money is almost exclusively silver. And the stories refer to
the money in the Bin as being... normal money, not as being 3 cubic acres
of gold coins which would come from... where? Made by who? Why would Barks
intend them to be some other sort of "money" than what we use as money? I
don't get it...
> Underlying Don's comments, I think, is a belief that Scrooge is
> keeping hordes of nickels, dimes, pennys, and quarters, for sentimental
reasons, and
> that to make the coins gold lessens this sentimental attatchment.
Underlying my comments is simply the belief that we don't have gold coins
as our money. And also $crooge's sentimental attachment to them, as
demonstrated in a number of Barks stories... "I earned this dime in
so-and-so. I made this dollar working as a so-and-so".
> Indeed, the fact of the matter is that American currency
> has lots of varieties of gold coins and it is entirely possible that
Scrooge would keep
> a substantial number of them in his bin,
??? We've had some gold coins in the 19th century, even a $20 gold piece in
the early 1900's, and they were in extremely limited circulation. That
would be like having a thousand dollar bill nowadays! But I've still said
that $crooge surely has some gold coins in his Bin, I've mentioned it in
stories. But not ALL solid golden coins.
But I'm simply explaining why *I* am certain that the money in the Bin is
normal money. Sure, if, for some reason, you want to imagine that the Money
Bin is filled with small golden discs that $crooge had created himself to
swim in and refer to as "money", you are free to do so.
M. Mitchell Marmel
FA: Air Pirates #1 and 2
Message 86 -
2001-04-09 at 17:08:45
At 4:33 PM +0200 4/2/01, Daniel van Eijmeren wrote:
>This email contains links to rare/original/unpublished Barks items for
>sale at Ebay. ("http://www.ebay.com") I do not have any connection with
>the sellers or with Ebay itself.
>
>If you've seen items I must have missed or other sites with rare/original/
>unpublished Barks items, then I hope you will post it to this list as well.
Not Barks per se, but I am selling issues 1 and 2 of Mickey Mouse
meets the Air Pirates, the infamous underground comic that lasted two
issues before getting closed down by Disney...
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>This email contains links to rare/original/unpublished Barks items for
>sale at Ebay. ("http://www.ebay.com") I do not have any connection with
>the sellers or with Ebay itself.
>
>If you've seen items I must have missed or other sites with rare/original/
>unpublished Barks items, then I hope you will post it to this list as well.
Not Barks per se, but I am selling issues 1 and 2 of Mickey Mouse
meets the Air Pirates, the infamous underground comic that lasted two
issues before getting closed down by Disney...
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Fluks, H.W.
Dutch weekly versus Dutch monthly
Message 87 -
2001-04-09 at 20:48:36
Dani?l:
> The Dutch monthly ("Donald Duck Extra") seems to aim at more matured
> readers, like students.
Editor Beekman told me that the weekly aims at 9-10, and the monthly at
12-14 years old. So not students yet...
> The thought behind the monthly is that
> it's meant for the readers who want to read more than what's published
> in the weekly. At least that's how they advertised the comic when it
> started in 1986.
But then it became too successful in that! The sales of the monthly was
endangering the sales of the weekly. So they decided to aim them at separate
market sections.
> In The Netherlands, Barks' covers are also redrawn when used for the
> weekly. I think this started somewhere in the late 1980s.
It already started in 1976...
> The popularity of the weekly also means that the editors have to be
> careful to avoid complaints from readers. For example, some religious
> readers object to the Madam Mim stories because (in their eyes) these
> stories contain occultism.
> It's just a guess, but I think that the monthly does not have that
> limitation. At least not as much as the family oriented weekly.
Still, there were some complaints from parents about Don Rosa's Kalevala
(Sampo) story (published in two DD Extras)! I think the complaints were
about showing the world of the dead.
--Harry.
> The Dutch monthly ("Donald Duck Extra") seems to aim at more matured
> readers, like students.
Editor Beekman told me that the weekly aims at 9-10, and the monthly at
12-14 years old. So not students yet...
> The thought behind the monthly is that
> it's meant for the readers who want to read more than what's published
> in the weekly. At least that's how they advertised the comic when it
> started in 1986.
But then it became too successful in that! The sales of the monthly was
endangering the sales of the weekly. So they decided to aim them at separate
market sections.
> In The Netherlands, Barks' covers are also redrawn when used for the
> weekly. I think this started somewhere in the late 1980s.
It already started in 1976...
> The popularity of the weekly also means that the editors have to be
> careful to avoid complaints from readers. For example, some religious
> readers object to the Madam Mim stories because (in their eyes) these
> stories contain occultism.
> It's just a guess, but I think that the monthly does not have that
> limitation. At least not as much as the family oriented weekly.
Still, there were some complaints from parents about Don Rosa's Kalevala
(Sampo) story (published in two DD Extras)! I think the complaints were
about showing the world of the dead.
--Harry.
François Willot
Brand new never-published-before Don Rosa drawing
Message 88 -
2001-04-09 at 22:49:50
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There you'll find lots of scans from "Le Journal de Mickey" # 2190, a
special Donald 60th birthday issue.
Other artists included are:
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There you'll find lots of scans from "Le Journal de Mickey" # 2190, a
special Donald 60th birthday issue.
Other artists included are:
- Venetian master Romano Scarpa
- Giorgio Cavazzano
- Giovan Battista Carpi
- Ulrich Schroeder
- Daan Jippes
Absolutely new, and totally free!
For more information, you can also check the COA search engine:
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Rodney W Bowcock Jr.
Duckburg in Denmark
Message 89 -
2001-04-10 at 02:19:49
I must say that I don't consider myself a Donaldist or a Barksist
(though I must say that I am closer to a Barksist if I had to choose one
of the two.) In fact I've never given much thought to when the stories
take place or where they take place. But it seems obvious to me that the
stories take place in the USA. Perhaps this is because I live here and
it's easier for me to visualize the stories taking place in this country.
I thought Calisota was mentioned more than once, but I suppose I was
wrong. I am aware of the numerous references to the ducks living in
Burbank. There are also many instances where the ducks *drive* their
cars to a place in the USA. (The Rip Van Winkle WDC&S story comes to
mind) To me, Duckburg will always be in the USA, but I suppose my
opinion is biased............
Rodney
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(though I must say that I am closer to a Barksist if I had to choose one
of the two.) In fact I've never given much thought to when the stories
take place or where they take place. But it seems obvious to me that the
stories take place in the USA. Perhaps this is because I live here and
it's easier for me to visualize the stories taking place in this country.
I thought Calisota was mentioned more than once, but I suppose I was
wrong. I am aware of the numerous references to the ducks living in
Burbank. There are also many instances where the ducks *drive* their
cars to a place in the USA. (The Rip Van Winkle WDC&S story comes to
mind) To me, Duckburg will always be in the USA, but I suppose my
opinion is biased............
Rodney
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All your coin are belong to U$
Message 90 -
2001-04-10 at 13:28:53
DON:
> Because our money is almost exclusively silver. And the stories refer to
> the money in the Bin as being... normal money, not as being 3 cubic acres
> of gold coins which would come from... where?
> Because our money is almost exclusively silver. And the stories refer to
> the money in the Bin as being... normal money, not as being 3 cubic acres
> of gold coins which would come from... where?