> Anders:
>
> > This time it's absolutely insane that Scrooge coin are
> > gold in the European tradition. [...]
> > But the tradition simply says gold coins in
> > Denmark, and it will take something to change that.
>
and Harry:
> I see no reason to change that. Coins are supposed to be yellow (and bank
> notes green) in Disney comics. No matter the material they are made of.
> This
> has been the case since the beginning. It is disturbing to see a
> white/brown
> mass of coins in Scrooge's bin (like in Lo$ chapter 12). I do hope the
> editors will keep the "yellow coins" tradition.
>
-- I agree with Harry here. Surely, if the inhabitants of Duckburg are not
really ducks but people who just happen to be 'drawn that way' (so as to
resemble ducks), why can't the coins be real coins that just happen to be
'coloured that way' (so as to be gold)? Just another quirk in the
wonderfully eccentric world of Duckburg.
Of course, Barks had them golden in all his oil paintings. I wonder if they
were always like that in his mind, or if he developed that notion after
seeing the coloured versions of his own comics...?
Kristian
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Kristian PEDERSEN
Coin colours
Message 46 -
2001-04-05 at 13:21:26
Anders Christian Siveb¾k
467, Harry
Message 47 -
2001-04-05 at 16:13:43
HARRY:
>
>Anders:
>
>> This time it's absolutely insane that Scrooge coin are
>> gold in the European tradition. [...]
>> But the tradition simply says gold coins in
>> Denmark, and it will take something to change that.
>
>I see no reason to change that. Coins are supposed to be yellow (and bank
>notes green) in Disney comics.
In certain european disney comics yes. I know there aren't duck comics in
the US at the time, but when they were there, the coins were mostly silver
as far as I know, because most coins acyually have that colour.
If the coins in Danish Duck comics were said to be Taler like they are in
Germany, it would be fine with me, cause taler would then all be yellow or
gold. But It says Kr. on Joakim's (Scrooge in DK) money bin, and whenenver
we saw him saying I earned this coin by doing this or that this or that
year, he would call it a 25-oere (small piece, actually a quarter, but of
our currency) or a krone. He wouldn't call it a taler or a dime or
anything. Not even if it says he earned it this or that place where they
don't use our currency.
greenbacks are green in our comics too, which has some kind of logic too
it, as some of our bank notes before now have been green, and american
notes are green.
>No matter the material they are made of.
You're right that they are all yellow, but it's not logical, and it's one
of the only things in the weekly that doesn't tell you something true.
many stories give you facts that are true.
>This
>has been the case since the beginning.
No, not here it hasn't. Scrooge didn't start to have a bin before the
50'es, and the colorist have sometimes used yellow, sometimes adopted the
silver from the original comics.
Danish duck comics weren't one bit consisten before some certain years
which I haven't taken the time to spot. Scrooge spats had many colours,
like grey and dark read, before they turned green. In 1988, in an issue I
have spotted out, they went over to be blue, and have been so ever since,
but of course not in the italian stories...
>It is disturbing to see a white
silver..
>/brown
>mass of coins in Scrooge's bin (like in Lo$ chapter 12). I do hope the
>editors will keep the "yellow coins" tradition.
I disagree as said, but I expect them to follow the tradtion, cause I know
what rama-scream (?) it gave in 1994 with that chapter 12...
>BTW, Scrooge's money bin always had a big "f" sign in Holland (f = the
>Dutch
>currency sign). In the new albums they are doing from now on (for
>Lekturama
>for instance), they change the f-sign into a Euro sign. This makes
>Duckburg
>a part of the European currency area, I guess. I can understand the
>editor's
>reasoning, but I'd prefer the (traditional) f's...
Me too. Danes said no to the euro, so it's no problem here. In germany
they keep the Taler-currency in Entenhausen I think. Where is the dutch
duckburg supposed to be situated, if it's in America everything is
sounding more and more insane to me, but anyway, these are just comics ...
(I am somewhat ironic here.)
BTW The danes maneged to color the Coin-story with the traditonal colors,
also the coins as spoken of. Eg. the money bin and McDuck Tower have
KR-signs on them. But to nag the ducth Extra a bit, the danish version
didn't still have shadows after dollar-signs as the dutch one had.
HARRY:
>
>Anders:
>
>> What i mean by horrid is overdrawn, and eg. the family
>> tree where Hortense was suddenly baking so you
>> couldn't see her, and Quackmore was reading the paper
>> Quagmire seemed to be a tractor! (Or was he in the
>> tractor). If they don't want the readers to see those
>> important persons on the tree, why publish it?
>
>The Dutch editors didn't want to show the characters that are not
>originally
>from a Barks story.
I see, fair enough.
But I hope they now it was in his family tree.
I thought for some time that it is starnge they quote Carl to have said in
1994, as some sort of joke, maybe, that Donald came out of an egg someone
bought at the shop. We all now that barks considered Donald to be a man,
the unlucky classical man. Overmore I've seen scans of the sketches Barks
himself made where Hortense and Quackmore are shown, as names. I doubt not
what the reason was that Barks said what he did.
>
>So "your kind of fan" thinks *everything* Rosa does is wonderful? I
>wouldn't
>even say that about the work of Barks! I'm not a blind admirer of a
>person's
>work.
Neither do I think i am, I just hate when something is overdrawn, by
anyone.
I don't find all stories of Rosa nor Barks good, of course I have
favorites, and not so much favorites. There are stories I have read
several times, and stories I have laid aside after one try. That last kind
of storiy just doesn't come so often in Rosa and Barks
>I guess this makes us different "kinds of fan
s
>"...
Maybe.
Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist
>
>Anders:
>
>> This time it's absolutely insane that Scrooge coin are
>> gold in the European tradition. [...]
>> But the tradition simply says gold coins in
>> Denmark, and it will take something to change that.
>
>I see no reason to change that. Coins are supposed to be yellow (and bank
>notes green) in Disney comics.
In certain european disney comics yes. I know there aren't duck comics in
the US at the time, but when they were there, the coins were mostly silver
as far as I know, because most coins acyually have that colour.
If the coins in Danish Duck comics were said to be Taler like they are in
Germany, it would be fine with me, cause taler would then all be yellow or
gold. But It says Kr. on Joakim's (Scrooge in DK) money bin, and whenenver
we saw him saying I earned this coin by doing this or that this or that
year, he would call it a 25-oere (small piece, actually a quarter, but of
our currency) or a krone. He wouldn't call it a taler or a dime or
anything. Not even if it says he earned it this or that place where they
don't use our currency.
greenbacks are green in our comics too, which has some kind of logic too
it, as some of our bank notes before now have been green, and american
notes are green.
>No matter the material they are made of.
You're right that they are all yellow, but it's not logical, and it's one
of the only things in the weekly that doesn't tell you something true.
many stories give you facts that are true.
>This
>has been the case since the beginning.
No, not here it hasn't. Scrooge didn't start to have a bin before the
50'es, and the colorist have sometimes used yellow, sometimes adopted the
silver from the original comics.
Danish duck comics weren't one bit consisten before some certain years
which I haven't taken the time to spot. Scrooge spats had many colours,
like grey and dark read, before they turned green. In 1988, in an issue I
have spotted out, they went over to be blue, and have been so ever since,
but of course not in the italian stories...
>It is disturbing to see a white
silver..
>/brown
>mass of coins in Scrooge's bin (like in Lo$ chapter 12). I do hope the
>editors will keep the "yellow coins" tradition.
I disagree as said, but I expect them to follow the tradtion, cause I know
what rama-scream (?) it gave in 1994 with that chapter 12...
>BTW, Scrooge's money bin always had a big "f" sign in Holland (f = the
>Dutch
>currency sign). In the new albums they are doing from now on (for
>Lekturama
>for instance), they change the f-sign into a Euro sign. This makes
>Duckburg
>a part of the European currency area, I guess. I can understand the
>editor's
>reasoning, but I'd prefer the (traditional) f's...
Me too. Danes said no to the euro, so it's no problem here. In germany
they keep the Taler-currency in Entenhausen I think. Where is the dutch
duckburg supposed to be situated, if it's in America everything is
sounding more and more insane to me, but anyway, these are just comics ...
(I am somewhat ironic here.)
BTW The danes maneged to color the Coin-story with the traditonal colors,
also the coins as spoken of. Eg. the money bin and McDuck Tower have
KR-signs on them. But to nag the ducth Extra a bit, the danish version
didn't still have shadows after dollar-signs as the dutch one had.
HARRY:
>
>Anders:
>
>> What i mean by horrid is overdrawn, and eg. the family
>> tree where Hortense was suddenly baking so you
>> couldn't see her, and Quackmore was reading the paper
>> Quagmire seemed to be a tractor! (Or was he in the
>> tractor). If they don't want the readers to see those
>> important persons on the tree, why publish it?
>
>The Dutch editors didn't want to show the characters that are not
>originally
>from a Barks story.
I see, fair enough.
But I hope they now it was in his family tree.
I thought for some time that it is starnge they quote Carl to have said in
1994, as some sort of joke, maybe, that Donald came out of an egg someone
bought at the shop. We all now that barks considered Donald to be a man,
the unlucky classical man. Overmore I've seen scans of the sketches Barks
himself made where Hortense and Quackmore are shown, as names. I doubt not
what the reason was that Barks said what he did.
>
>So "your kind of fan" thinks *everything* Rosa does is wonderful? I
>wouldn't
>even say that about the work of Barks! I'm not a blind admirer of a
>person's
>work.
Neither do I think i am, I just hate when something is overdrawn, by
anyone.
I don't find all stories of Rosa nor Barks good, of course I have
favorites, and not so much favorites. There are stories I have read
several times, and stories I have laid aside after one try. That last kind
of storiy just doesn't come so often in Rosa and Barks
>I guess this makes us different "kinds of fan
s
>"...
Maybe.
Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist
Olivier
The Color of Money
Message 48 -
2001-04-05 at 16:41:35
Kristian:
>>Of course, Barks had them golden in all his oil paintings
In "The Expert", for instance, you can see silver coins.
But indeed, most of the coins *are* golden.
It just looks nicer: stacks of grey & brown coins darken the page
and are much less appealing.
I guess the coins should be colored in yellow, grey, brown, and
whatever color may fit which would stand for exotic currencies.
Same for the bills: mostly gree, but there should be other colors,
since a huge quantity of all this mony has been printed in different
countries.
Harry:
>>BTW, Scrooge's money bin always had a big "f" sign in Holland (f = the Dutch
>>currency sign). In the new albums they are doing from now on (for Lekturama
>>for instance), they change the f-sign into a Euro sign. This makes Duckburg
>>a part of the European currency area, I guess. I can understand the editor's
>>reasoning, but I'd prefer the (traditional) f's...
I can imagine how weird it looks.
All these conversions (from the original $ to the local currency to the euro)
somehow make me think of "Somethin' Fishy Here" (backup story, U$ 456 / 2),
in which Donald makes Uncle Scrooge believe fish is the new currency, and
Scrooge sets out acquiring tons of it. I like it vey much.
Olivier
>>Of course, Barks had them golden in all his oil paintings
In "The Expert", for instance, you can see silver coins.
But indeed, most of the coins *are* golden.
It just looks nicer: stacks of grey & brown coins darken the page
and are much less appealing.
I guess the coins should be colored in yellow, grey, brown, and
whatever color may fit which would stand for exotic currencies.
Same for the bills: mostly gree, but there should be other colors,
since a huge quantity of all this mony has been printed in different
countries.
Harry:
>>BTW, Scrooge's money bin always had a big "f" sign in Holland (f = the Dutch
>>currency sign). In the new albums they are doing from now on (for Lekturama
>>for instance), they change the f-sign into a Euro sign. This makes Duckburg
>>a part of the European currency area, I guess. I can understand the editor's
>>reasoning, but I'd prefer the (traditional) f's...
I can imagine how weird it looks.
All these conversions (from the original $ to the local currency to the euro)
somehow make me think of "Somethin' Fishy Here" (backup story, U$ 456 / 2),
in which Donald makes Uncle Scrooge believe fish is the new currency, and
Scrooge sets out acquiring tons of it. I like it vey much.
Olivier
Daniel Van Eijmeren
New Barks/Jippes JW-story?
Message 49 -
2001-04-05 at 17:13:49
HARRY FLUKS, 05 APRIL 2001:
> I just had a phone call with the Dutch editors, so here's some news
> and some replies. [...] The next Barks/Jippes JW story, "Eagle Savers",
> will be in the weekly of week #24.
I'm puzzled. When I saw Daan Jippes at the Dutch convention of October
1998, he showed me (xeroxes of) art for a story which I then recognized
as "The Phantom Joker" (JW 22), also known as "High Wire Heroes".
So, I expected this story to be published first. Now that you mention
"Eagle Savers" instead, I would like to know for sure if I *really*
have seen "The Phantom Joker" (instead of another story).
I only talked very shortly with Jippes, maybe for about 5 minutes.
When he showed me the art, I certainly wasn't the only one interested
in seeing it. So, I could not look at it in detail. I think I hazily
remember some scenes, like a juggling nephew and a giant alligator/
crocodile coming out of table.
When you call the editors again, can you ask them about the existance of
Jippes' re-inked "The Phantom Joker"?
Or can someone else here verify or refute its existance?
Best wishes,
--- Daniel
"We eat Vitamin Zee in our oats and tea!
To make us STRONG and help us SEE!
Vitamin Zee gives us BONE
and endless, boundless MUSCLE TONE!"
> I just had a phone call with the Dutch editors, so here's some news
> and some replies. [...] The next Barks/Jippes JW story, "Eagle Savers",
> will be in the weekly of week #24.
I'm puzzled. When I saw Daan Jippes at the Dutch convention of October
1998, he showed me (xeroxes of) art for a story which I then recognized
as "The Phantom Joker" (JW 22), also known as "High Wire Heroes".
So, I expected this story to be published first. Now that you mention
"Eagle Savers" instead, I would like to know for sure if I *really*
have seen "The Phantom Joker" (instead of another story).
I only talked very shortly with Jippes, maybe for about 5 minutes.
When he showed me the art, I certainly wasn't the only one interested
in seeing it. So, I could not look at it in detail. I think I hazily
remember some scenes, like a juggling nephew and a giant alligator/
crocodile coming out of table.
When you call the editors again, can you ask them about the existance of
Jippes' re-inked "The Phantom Joker"?
Or can someone else here verify or refute its existance?
Best wishes,
--- Daniel
"We eat Vitamin Zee in our oats and tea!
To make us STRONG and help us SEE!
Vitamin Zee gives us BONE
and endless, boundless MUSCLE TONE!"
Fluks, H.W.
New Barks/Jippes JW-story?
Message 50 -
2001-04-05 at 18:53:11
Dani?l:
> > The next Barks/Jippes JW story, "Eagle Savers",
> > will be in the weekly of week #24.
>
> I'm puzzled. When I saw Daan Jippes at the Dutch convention of October
> 1998, he showed me art for a story "High Wire Heroes".
Jippes drew both of them. Apparently, the Dutch editors decided to print
"Eagle Savers" first.
Here's a complete (up to now) list:
H 92001 Duckmade Disaster [xref:W JW 14-01(redrawn)]
H 92002 Bad Day for Troop 'A' [xref:W JW 8-03(redrawn)]
H 92012 Storm Dancers [xref:W JW 12-02(redrawn)]
H 92051 The Day the Mountain Shook [xref:W JW 13-01(redrawn)]
H 92085 Traitor in the Ranks [xref:W JW 11-01(redrawn)]
H 92107 Gold of the '49ers [xref:W JW 13-02(redrawn)]
H 94001 Maple Sugar Time (How Sweet It Is!) [xref:W JW 10-01(redrawn)]
H 94141 Bottled Battlers [xref:W JW 10-02(redrawn)]
H 95145 Officer For a Day [xref:W DD 126-01(redrawn)]
H 98085 A Day in a Duck's Life [xref:W DD 138-01(redrawn)]
H 98135 Pawns of the Loup Garou [xref:W DD 117-01(redrawn)]
H 98239 Wailing whalers
H 98254 Highwire heroes
H 99044 Eagle Savers
--Harry.
> > The next Barks/Jippes JW story, "Eagle Savers",
> > will be in the weekly of week #24.
>
> I'm puzzled. When I saw Daan Jippes at the Dutch convention of October
> 1998, he showed me art for a story "High Wire Heroes".
Jippes drew both of them. Apparently, the Dutch editors decided to print
"Eagle Savers" first.
Here's a complete (up to now) list:
H 92001 Duckmade Disaster [xref:W JW 14-01(redrawn)]
H 92002 Bad Day for Troop 'A' [xref:W JW 8-03(redrawn)]
H 92012 Storm Dancers [xref:W JW 12-02(redrawn)]
H 92051 The Day the Mountain Shook [xref:W JW 13-01(redrawn)]
H 92085 Traitor in the Ranks [xref:W JW 11-01(redrawn)]
H 92107 Gold of the '49ers [xref:W JW 13-02(redrawn)]
H 94001 Maple Sugar Time (How Sweet It Is!) [xref:W JW 10-01(redrawn)]
H 94141 Bottled Battlers [xref:W JW 10-02(redrawn)]
H 95145 Officer For a Day [xref:W DD 126-01(redrawn)]
H 98085 A Day in a Duck's Life [xref:W DD 138-01(redrawn)]
H 98135 Pawns of the Loup Garou [xref:W DD 117-01(redrawn)]
H 98239 Wailing whalers
H 98254 Highwire heroes
H 99044 Eagle Savers
--Harry.
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Dutch weekly versus Dutch monthly
Message 51 -
2001-04-05 at 19:24:35
HARRY FLUKS to ANDERS SIVEBAEK, 05 APRIL 2001:
>> About the letter column in DD Weekblad [..] most of the letters
>> are about things the readers experienced in dayly life or vactaions
>> and such. They are that more than questions about stories or such,
>> as would be in eg. the greek magazine Komix' letter columns. ?
> Right. Vactaions and such. 8-)
> The Dutch weekly aims at children of age 9 or 10.
The Dutch monthly ("Donald Duck Extra") seems to aim at more matured
readers, like students. Artists like Don Rosa, William Van Horn and
Marco Rota are mostly published in the monthly.
The monthly is quite different from the weekly, because it just
contains comics. There's no text-story, no letters page, and there
are no serialized stories. Unlike the weekly, the monthly doesn't
seem to aim at families at all. The thought behind the monthly is that
it's meant for the readers who want to read more than what's published
in the weekly. At least that's how they advertised the comic when it
started in 1986.
I think the weekly and the monthly make a nice pair, but unfortunately
we don't have any comics which contain interesting background information
like the "Year That Was" articles in the Gladstone's comics. For me, the
monthly would be the perfect comic for such pages.
>> Well, as my kind of fan of Rosa I wouldn't say I find any of his
>> covers horrid, only the overdrawn ones.
> So "your kind of fan" thinks *everything* Rosa does is wonderful?
> I wouldn't even say that about the work of Barks! I'm not a blind
> admirer of a person's work.
In The Netherlands, Barks' covers are also redrawn when used for the
weekly. I think this started somewhere in the late 1980s.
About ten years ago, when I was at a Dutch convention, I heard from the
Dutch editors that Barks' illustrated story "Go Slowly, Sands of Time"
would not be published in the weekly, because they dislike the art of
the aging Scrooge.
Apparently the editors are very, *very* cautious about the material they
publish in the weekly, because it's the best-selling comic in The Netherlands.
There's also a lot of nostalgia involved, because a lot of parents seem
to buy the weekly to give their kids the same great comic as in their youth.
So, my guess is that the editors find the familial atmosphere of the
weekly more important than publishing artistic ("adult oriented") stories.
For that reason, I was a bit surprised to see Barks/Jippes' "Officer for
a Day" in the weekly. I think that if this wasn't a Barks story, they
would not have published it in the weekly. The story is full of political
matters which young kids may not understand.
The popularity of the weekly also means that the editors have to be
careful to avoid complaints from readers. For example, some religious
readers object to the Madam Mim stories because (in their eyes) these
stories contain occultism.
It's just a guess, but I think that the monthly does not have that
limitation. At least not as much as the family oriented weekly.
Best wishes,
--- Daniel
>> About the letter column in DD Weekblad [..] most of the letters
>> are about things the readers experienced in dayly life or vactaions
>> and such. They are that more than questions about stories or such,
>> as would be in eg. the greek magazine Komix' letter columns. ?
> Right. Vactaions and such. 8-)
> The Dutch weekly aims at children of age 9 or 10.
The Dutch monthly ("Donald Duck Extra") seems to aim at more matured
readers, like students. Artists like Don Rosa, William Van Horn and
Marco Rota are mostly published in the monthly.
The monthly is quite different from the weekly, because it just
contains comics. There's no text-story, no letters page, and there
are no serialized stories. Unlike the weekly, the monthly doesn't
seem to aim at families at all. The thought behind the monthly is that
it's meant for the readers who want to read more than what's published
in the weekly. At least that's how they advertised the comic when it
started in 1986.
I think the weekly and the monthly make a nice pair, but unfortunately
we don't have any comics which contain interesting background information
like the "Year That Was" articles in the Gladstone's comics. For me, the
monthly would be the perfect comic for such pages.
>> Well, as my kind of fan of Rosa I wouldn't say I find any of his
>> covers horrid, only the overdrawn ones.
> So "your kind of fan" thinks *everything* Rosa does is wonderful?
> I wouldn't even say that about the work of Barks! I'm not a blind
> admirer of a person's work.
In The Netherlands, Barks' covers are also redrawn when used for the
weekly. I think this started somewhere in the late 1980s.
About ten years ago, when I was at a Dutch convention, I heard from the
Dutch editors that Barks' illustrated story "Go Slowly, Sands of Time"
would not be published in the weekly, because they dislike the art of
the aging Scrooge.
Apparently the editors are very, *very* cautious about the material they
publish in the weekly, because it's the best-selling comic in The Netherlands.
There's also a lot of nostalgia involved, because a lot of parents seem
to buy the weekly to give their kids the same great comic as in their youth.
So, my guess is that the editors find the familial atmosphere of the
weekly more important than publishing artistic ("adult oriented") stories.
For that reason, I was a bit surprised to see Barks/Jippes' "Officer for
a Day" in the weekly. I think that if this wasn't a Barks story, they
would not have published it in the weekly. The story is full of political
matters which young kids may not understand.
The popularity of the weekly also means that the editors have to be
careful to avoid complaints from readers. For example, some religious
readers object to the Madam Mim stories because (in their eyes) these
stories contain occultism.
It's just a guess, but I think that the monthly does not have that
limitation. At least not as much as the family oriented weekly.
Best wishes,
--- Daniel
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Million-dollar Shower (WDC 297)
Message 52 -
2001-04-05 at 23:46:23
HARRY FLUKS to OLIVIER, 03 APRIL 2001:
> [translations in Holland] And there's a Barks one-pager where it
> "rains cats and dogs". The Dutch changed the cats to dogs to make
> it fit with the expression "hondenweer" (dog weather).
I've always wondered why they didn't choose for "beestenweer" (beast weather)
instead. As cats and dogs are both "beesten" (beasts/animals), they wouldn't
have needed to change the cats into dogs.
Best wishes,
--- Daniel
> [translations in Holland] And there's a Barks one-pager where it
> "rains cats and dogs". The Dutch changed the cats to dogs to make
> it fit with the expression "hondenweer" (dog weather).
I've always wondered why they didn't choose for "beestenweer" (beast weather)
instead. As cats and dogs are both "beesten" (beasts/animals), they wouldn't
have needed to change the cats into dogs.
Best wishes,
--- Daniel
Thierry Fernand
Site closed
Message 53 -
2001-04-06 at 03:11:01
Sorry, have to bring bad news to the list...
"Disney Comics On the Web" is closed (not updated anymore).
A cached copy can be found here:
http://mailotron.forez.com/livia/backup.php3
I hope it will be back soon.
In the meantime, here are scans of the first Fethry story (or almost) - French version:
http://donaldville.free.fr/jdm977/index.html
Enjoy!
Best to everyone
Favio
______________________________________________________
Bo?te aux lettres - Caramail - http://www.caramail.com
"Disney Comics On the Web" is closed (not updated anymore).
A cached copy can be found here:
http://mailotron.forez.com/livia/backup.php3
I hope it will be back soon.
In the meantime, here are scans of the first Fethry story (or almost) - French version:
http://donaldville.free.fr/jdm977/index.html
Enjoy!
Best to everyone
Favio
______________________________________________________
Bo?te aux lettres - Caramail - http://www.caramail.com
Duco Feenstra
Anders: Dutch Rosas, Harry
Message 54 -
2001-04-06 at 09:58:59
Harry wrote:
> So "your kind of fan" thinks *everything* Rosa does
> is wonderful? I wouldn't
> even say that about the work of Barks! I'm not a
> blind admirer of a person's
> work.
> I guess this makes us different "kinds of fan"...
>
Huh?? Where did AC say "everything Rosa does is
wonderful"??? He just wouldn't say he found any cover
'horrid'. Neither would I. I guess we both are the
'kind of fan' who know more than just that one word
'horrid' to describe our likes and dislikes. Come on,
Harry....I'm sure you're also capable to find more
than one word too to critisize.
Duco
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> So "your kind of fan" thinks *everything* Rosa does
> is wonderful? I wouldn't
> even say that about the work of Barks! I'm not a
> blind admirer of a person's
> work.
> I guess this makes us different "kinds of fan"...
>
Huh?? Where did AC say "everything Rosa does is
wonderful"??? He just wouldn't say he found any cover
'horrid'. Neither would I. I guess we both are the
'kind of fan' who know more than just that one word
'horrid' to describe our likes and dislikes. Come on,
Harry....I'm sure you're also capable to find more
than one word too to critisize.
Duco
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Duco Anders: Dutch Rosas, Harry
Message 55 -
2001-04-06 at 11:45:10
Duco:
> > So "your kind of fan" thinks *everything* Rosa does
> > is wonderful?
> Huh?? Where did AC say "everything Rosa does is
> wonderful"??? He just wouldn't say he found any cover
> 'horrid'. Neither would I. I guess we both are the
> 'kind of fan' who know more than just that one word
> 'horrid' to describe our likes and dislikes. Come on,
> Harry....I'm sure you're also capable to find more
> than one word too to critisize.
Offending? Afwul? Terrible? 8-)
Yes, I was talking in extremities, to get a clear reaction. Anders talked
about "my kind of fan", and made clear that I am *not* "his kind of fan".
I have the impression that some people find everything that Rosa (or creator
X) does is wonderful. I was wondering if that's what Anders meant with "my
kind of fan". If not, then I'm still not sure what he means.
--Harry.
> > So "your kind of fan" thinks *everything* Rosa does
> > is wonderful?
> Huh?? Where did AC say "everything Rosa does is
> wonderful"??? He just wouldn't say he found any cover
> 'horrid'. Neither would I. I guess we both are the
> 'kind of fan' who know more than just that one word
> 'horrid' to describe our likes and dislikes. Come on,
> Harry....I'm sure you're also capable to find more
> than one word too to critisize.
Offending? Afwul? Terrible? 8-)
Yes, I was talking in extremities, to get a clear reaction. Anders talked
about "my kind of fan", and made clear that I am *not* "his kind of fan".
I have the impression that some people find everything that Rosa (or creator
X) does is wonderful. I was wondering if that's what Anders meant with "my
kind of fan". If not, then I'm still not sure what he means.
--Harry.
Anders Christian Siveb¾k
468, Kristian, Daniel, Harry
Message 56 -
2001-04-06 at 17:41:28
>
>From: Kristian PEDERSEN <K.PEDERSEN at OBERTHURCS.com>
>
>-- I agree with Harry here. Surely, if the inhabitants of Duckburg are not
>really ducks but people who just happen to be 'drawn that way' (so as to
>resemble ducks), why can't the coins be real coins that just happen to be
>'coloured that way' (so as to be gold)? Just another quirk in the
>wonderfully eccentric world of Duckburg.
Hmm... I accept that, but I still have my own opinion to the matter.
As I see the ducks in the duck comics as humans, we can't the money be
real?
As we know in Denmark where Duckburg is situated, we could also say what
money they use.
They said the quarter was a five-piece, which is a danish
metal/silver-colored coin with a hole. At least they didn't make the coin
into that in the story, as they did once before with the lucky dime. And
they did absolutely insanely too, making it a coin from the 1990'es, like
our 1, 2 and 5-pieces. the 25-piece that the dansih dime is supposed to
be, did not have a hole at that time, if it was even made, cause our
currency was worth something back then. The smallest coin today is a
25-piece, back then it was a 1-piece. I hope I'm not rambling too much, I
just want to tell a little bit of facts.
>Of course, Barks had them golden in all his oil paintings. I wonder if
>they
>were always like that in his mind, or if he developed that notion after
>seeing the coloured versions of his own comics...?
That's actually a point there. But my opinion is that, yes, barks may have
seen the colors to be gold, maybe as he saw they were so in the european
comics. But barks wrote stories himself where we see Scrooge telling
stories of dimes and quarters, which are not gold-colored, that he earned
in certain years. So when Barks painted gold coins it is because of the
fascination of Gold, that I have myself too, I just never held a goose egg
nugget in my hands.
>
>From: "Olivier" <mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr>
>
>In "The Expert", for instance, you can see silver coins.
>But indeed, most of the coins *are* golden.
>It just looks nicer: stacks of grey & brown coins darken the page
>and are much less appealing.
You might be right, that they may be less appealing, but I find them more
true to the fatcs.
The coloring of chapter Lo$ 12 was much more logiv?cal in my opnion with
the silver and cubber-colored coins than he gold coins in the book version
of the danish story.
>
>I guess the coins should be colored in yellow, grey, brown, and
>whatever color may fit which would stand for exotic currencies.
If we expect Scrooge to have all such kinds of coins, then you're
absolutely right!
>
>From: "Daniel van Eijmeren" <dve at kabelfoon.nl>
>
>In The Netherlands, Barks' covers are also redrawn when used for the
>weekly. I think this started somewhere in the late 1980s.
This on one hand makes me reliefed, telling that it's not only the
"apprentice" Rosa, but also the great old master, barks, who is put to
this, IMO, unfair treatment - As if there isn't so many Barks-covers which
would be fitting for any kind of Barks-album in Holland.
>
>About ten years ago, when I was at a Dutch convention, I heard from the
>Dutch editors that Barks' illustrated story "Go Slowly, Sands of Time"
>would not be published in the weekly, because they dislike the art of
>the aging Scrooge.
I see. Interesting.
DUCO
>
>
>
Duco, what I meant to say, some weeks ago by now, or maybe it just feels
so to me, because I've been veryyy busy, was that I find any cover Rosa
has done, much better than those covers that the dutch redrawers are doing
of Rosa-covers.
Harry, I'm not saying I put every Rosa-cover or comic on a pedestal, but I
just like most of them, and hate only the fact that not every single
Rosa-story has been published here yet (But they're getting to it, I
hope).
Harry
>
>Offending? Afwul? Terrible? 8-)
>
>Yes, I was talking in extremities, to get a clear reaction. Anders talked
>about "my kind of fan", and made clear that I am *not* "his kind of fan".
I might have been to mad (?) at the moment.
>
>I have the impression that some people find everything that Rosa (or
>creator
>X) does is wonderful. I was wondering if that's what Anders meant with "my
>kind of fan". If not, then I'm still not sure what he means.
The day I wrote it, it in one minute was my impression that you weren't
the kind of fan, who likes some of the things your idol (?) has done.
Thinking it over I know that you must like many of Don's stories, and that
you are both a friend and fan of him, as far as I can understand.
Let me say that Don's stories are just the ones that I haven't so much to
put against. I like most of them. If I don't like some of them, it can
mostly be because of the way they were published by our publisher, and
then are luckilky other versions of the story, but I still didn't see a
propper version of the Kalevala.
How's the french one speaking of that?? Is the snow of sampo the eye of
Iku Turso again?
One artist of whom I am a fan, is Marco Rota, and I am also able to see
the bad things about one of his latest stories about a Captain Morgan. The
story must have made in a rush, cause the lines in it are not very Rotaic.
He usually has the greatest style, but not so much in that exact comic.
BTW The Coin was printed in odd quality, you couldn't see the pizels, but
still the lines weren't as clear as in the normal Rosa-stories. This can
be because of computer-transfer or something.
AC
>
Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist
>From: Kristian PEDERSEN <K.PEDERSEN at OBERTHURCS.com>
>
>-- I agree with Harry here. Surely, if the inhabitants of Duckburg are not
>really ducks but people who just happen to be 'drawn that way' (so as to
>resemble ducks), why can't the coins be real coins that just happen to be
>'coloured that way' (so as to be gold)? Just another quirk in the
>wonderfully eccentric world of Duckburg.
Hmm... I accept that, but I still have my own opinion to the matter.
As I see the ducks in the duck comics as humans, we can't the money be
real?
As we know in Denmark where Duckburg is situated, we could also say what
money they use.
They said the quarter was a five-piece, which is a danish
metal/silver-colored coin with a hole. At least they didn't make the coin
into that in the story, as they did once before with the lucky dime. And
they did absolutely insanely too, making it a coin from the 1990'es, like
our 1, 2 and 5-pieces. the 25-piece that the dansih dime is supposed to
be, did not have a hole at that time, if it was even made, cause our
currency was worth something back then. The smallest coin today is a
25-piece, back then it was a 1-piece. I hope I'm not rambling too much, I
just want to tell a little bit of facts.
>Of course, Barks had them golden in all his oil paintings. I wonder if
>they
>were always like that in his mind, or if he developed that notion after
>seeing the coloured versions of his own comics...?
That's actually a point there. But my opinion is that, yes, barks may have
seen the colors to be gold, maybe as he saw they were so in the european
comics. But barks wrote stories himself where we see Scrooge telling
stories of dimes and quarters, which are not gold-colored, that he earned
in certain years. So when Barks painted gold coins it is because of the
fascination of Gold, that I have myself too, I just never held a goose egg
nugget in my hands.
>
>From: "Olivier" <mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr>
>
>In "The Expert", for instance, you can see silver coins.
>But indeed, most of the coins *are* golden.
>It just looks nicer: stacks of grey & brown coins darken the page
>and are much less appealing.
You might be right, that they may be less appealing, but I find them more
true to the fatcs.
The coloring of chapter Lo$ 12 was much more logiv?cal in my opnion with
the silver and cubber-colored coins than he gold coins in the book version
of the danish story.
>
>I guess the coins should be colored in yellow, grey, brown, and
>whatever color may fit which would stand for exotic currencies.
If we expect Scrooge to have all such kinds of coins, then you're
absolutely right!
>
>From: "Daniel van Eijmeren" <dve at kabelfoon.nl>
>
>In The Netherlands, Barks' covers are also redrawn when used for the
>weekly. I think this started somewhere in the late 1980s.
This on one hand makes me reliefed, telling that it's not only the
"apprentice" Rosa, but also the great old master, barks, who is put to
this, IMO, unfair treatment - As if there isn't so many Barks-covers which
would be fitting for any kind of Barks-album in Holland.
>
>About ten years ago, when I was at a Dutch convention, I heard from the
>Dutch editors that Barks' illustrated story "Go Slowly, Sands of Time"
>would not be published in the weekly, because they dislike the art of
>the aging Scrooge.
I see. Interesting.
DUCO
>
>
>
Duco, what I meant to say, some weeks ago by now, or maybe it just feels
so to me, because I've been veryyy busy, was that I find any cover Rosa
has done, much better than those covers that the dutch redrawers are doing
of Rosa-covers.
Harry, I'm not saying I put every Rosa-cover or comic on a pedestal, but I
just like most of them, and hate only the fact that not every single
Rosa-story has been published here yet (But they're getting to it, I
hope).
Harry
>
>Offending? Afwul? Terrible? 8-)
>
>Yes, I was talking in extremities, to get a clear reaction. Anders talked
>about "my kind of fan", and made clear that I am *not* "his kind of fan".
I might have been to mad (?) at the moment.
>
>I have the impression that some people find everything that Rosa (or
>creator
>X) does is wonderful. I was wondering if that's what Anders meant with "my
>kind of fan". If not, then I'm still not sure what he means.
The day I wrote it, it in one minute was my impression that you weren't
the kind of fan, who likes some of the things your idol (?) has done.
Thinking it over I know that you must like many of Don's stories, and that
you are both a friend and fan of him, as far as I can understand.
Let me say that Don's stories are just the ones that I haven't so much to
put against. I like most of them. If I don't like some of them, it can
mostly be because of the way they were published by our publisher, and
then are luckilky other versions of the story, but I still didn't see a
propper version of the Kalevala.
How's the french one speaking of that?? Is the snow of sampo the eye of
Iku Turso again?
One artist of whom I am a fan, is Marco Rota, and I am also able to see
the bad things about one of his latest stories about a Captain Morgan. The
story must have made in a rush, cause the lines in it are not very Rotaic.
He usually has the greatest style, but not so much in that exact comic.
BTW The Coin was printed in odd quality, you couldn't see the pizels, but
still the lines weren't as clear as in the normal Rosa-stories. This can
be because of computer-transfer or something.
AC
>
Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist
Olivier
Kalevala
Message 57 -
2001-04-06 at 18:03:09
Hello!
Anders:
>>I still didn't see a propper version of the Kalevala.
>>How's the french one speaking of that?? Is the snow of sampo the eye of
>>Iku Turso again?
Maybe if I read the story over I would understand your question, but-- I don't.
As far as I can see, the only reference to both the Sampo & snow is at the end
when V?in?m?inen leaves:
"When Spring comes and the snow melts, these little golden flakes,
too small to be seen, will remain. They will be the eternal gift of
V?in?m?inen (and his friends from Duckburg)! They will be
*the golden snow of the Sampo*!"
This panel shows a golden Sampo figure at the center of an enlarged snow flake.
The Sampo's "hemisphere" was white with blue shades to make it look like silver;
some engravings are golden; the rest is yellow / orange. Are the colors correct?
The Kantele is golden too-- this seems odd, though.
By the way, how should the names be pronounced?
Kalevala: (just in case there's a trick in the
pronunciation)
V?in?m?inen:
Sampo:
Pohjola: (like a "j" or a "y"?
Louhi: (as written?)
Ilmarinen: (as written, with the -en like "hen"?)
Iku-Turso: (like the German "u" or the German
"?"?)
Thanks !
Olivier
Anders:
>>I still didn't see a propper version of the Kalevala.
>>How's the french one speaking of that?? Is the snow of sampo the eye of
>>Iku Turso again?
Maybe if I read the story over I would understand your question, but-- I don't.
As far as I can see, the only reference to both the Sampo & snow is at the end
when V?in?m?inen leaves:
"When Spring comes and the snow melts, these little golden flakes,
too small to be seen, will remain. They will be the eternal gift of
V?in?m?inen (and his friends from Duckburg)! They will be
*the golden snow of the Sampo*!"
This panel shows a golden Sampo figure at the center of an enlarged snow flake.
The Sampo's "hemisphere" was white with blue shades to make it look like silver;
some engravings are golden; the rest is yellow / orange. Are the colors correct?
The Kantele is golden too-- this seems odd, though.
By the way, how should the names be pronounced?
Kalevala: (just in case there's a trick in the
pronunciation)
V?in?m?inen:
Sampo:
Pohjola: (like a "j" or a "y"?
Louhi: (as written?)
Ilmarinen: (as written, with the -en like "hen"?)
Iku-Turso: (like the German "u" or the German
"?"?)
Thanks !
Olivier
Olivier
Kalevala (To Don Rosa)
Message 58 -
2001-04-06 at 19:01:24
Mr Don Rosa:
One of those stupid questions, probably, but here goes...
Thumbing through the pages of the Kalevala story to "answer"
Anders' question, one thing suddenly struck me, knowing there's
a lot of research in the making of your stories, and hidden references:
are the music bars we see throughout the story copied from some
Kalevala-related piece of music?
Olivier
One of those stupid questions, probably, but here goes...
Thumbing through the pages of the Kalevala story to "answer"
Anders' question, one thing suddenly struck me, knowing there's
a lot of research in the making of your stories, and hidden references:
are the music bars we see throughout the story copied from some
Kalevala-related piece of music?
Olivier
Søren Krarup Olesen
Website
Message 59 -
2001-04-06 at 19:22:22
ANGELO:
> > I used some existing sites as references, and included
> > links to them. Have a look here:
> > http://www.geocities.com/donald313us/disney2.html
> http://www.geocities.com/donald313us/disney.html
Apparently copying other people's material is a big hit these days. The
URL above shows the worst example of a web site I have seen in a very
long time. It makes Kenneth's web site appear as a genuine masterpiece!
Not only does the main site contain material or pieces of data snapped
from Duckhunt(?) but you also seem to have two counters of the same
kind. The default site is even more puzzling. First I was happy to
read, how interested you are in Disney comics, secondly I realised that
I had read this very text before namely on Frank's site. However, it
wasn't a link to his site. Nope. You have litteraly copied the text word
by word and placed it on you own site.
One thing missing on you site might have been a picture that makes the
browser crash or something, this would have completed this junk.
Why not buy a scanner of your own and write your own comments?! Scanners
are currently among the cheapest PC equipment one can get.
Søren
> > I used some existing sites as references, and included
> > links to them. Have a look here:
> > http://www.geocities.com/donald313us/disney2.html
> http://www.geocities.com/donald313us/disney.html
Apparently copying other people's material is a big hit these days. The
URL above shows the worst example of a web site I have seen in a very
long time. It makes Kenneth's web site appear as a genuine masterpiece!
Not only does the main site contain material or pieces of data snapped
from Duckhunt(?) but you also seem to have two counters of the same
kind. The default site is even more puzzling. First I was happy to
read, how interested you are in Disney comics, secondly I realised that
I had read this very text before namely on Frank's site. However, it
wasn't a link to his site. Nope. You have litteraly copied the text word
by word and placed it on you own site.
One thing missing on you site might have been a picture that makes the
browser crash or something, this would have completed this junk.
Why not buy a scanner of your own and write your own comments?! Scanners
are currently among the cheapest PC equipment one can get.
Søren
Olivier
Kalevala (2)
Message 60 -
2001-04-06 at 22:08:00
Thanks a lot for the pronunciation tips, Stefan!
>>Louhi: (as written?)
>>Ilmarinen: (as written, with the -en like "hen"?)
>"As written"? How is "as written" to you?
Right, that was pretty dumb. It should have been:
Louhi: (like nephew Louie? or all letters pronounced?)
Ilmarinen: (like "ill", "marine", "hen" ?)
Olivier
>>Louhi: (as written?)
>>Ilmarinen: (as written, with the -en like "hen"?)
>"As written"? How is "as written" to you?
Right, that was pretty dumb. It should have been:
Louhi: (like nephew Louie? or all letters pronounced?)
Ilmarinen: (like "ill", "marine", "hen" ?)
Olivier