Yesterday Donald Duck pocekt #258 was published here
in Norway. The first story (D 99256) by Paul Halas and
Miguel takes place around 2000 years ago in the
Roman-age.
In this story we met some roman soldiers ho says "We
romans eat spagetti and pizza".
But as our Italian friends here will know, this is off
course historical nonsence. The Italians didn't know
about pasta before Marco Polo tasted it in China more
than 1000 years later than the period of this story.
And as far as I know the pizza is not more than around
200 years old.
Does this errors appear in the original or is it the
Norwegian translator who has done a very poor job?
And why does Egmont accept such errors to appear in
stories printed by them?
Sigvald :-)
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Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Historical errors in a new Halas/Miguel story
Message 286 -
2002-06-18 at 13:17:11
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Back in Time for a Dime! - On-line
Message 287 -
2002-06-18 at 13:20:19
The "Back in Time for a Dime!" story can be read here.
And you will also find the cover here.
http://duckman.pettho.com/gallery/backtime.html
Sigvald :-)
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And you will also find the cover here.
http://duckman.pettho.com/gallery/backtime.html
Sigvald :-)
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Stefan Persson
Historical errors in a new Halas/Miguel story
Message 288 -
2002-06-18 at 13:24:16
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr." <sigvald4 at yahoo.no>
To: "DCML" <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 12:17 PM
Subject: Historical errors in a new Halas/Miguel story
> Does this errors appear in the original or is it the
> Norwegian translator who has done a very poor job?
Who knows? I doubt that the original has been published anywhere, so it
wouldn't be possible to check.
> And why does Egmont accept such errors to appear in
> stories printed by them?
There are other "errors" in stories, meant as jokes. Don't you think that
this is just one of those jokes?
Stefan
From: "Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr." <sigvald4 at yahoo.no>
To: "DCML" <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 12:17 PM
Subject: Historical errors in a new Halas/Miguel story
> Does this errors appear in the original or is it the
> Norwegian translator who has done a very poor job?
Who knows? I doubt that the original has been published anywhere, so it
wouldn't be possible to check.
> And why does Egmont accept such errors to appear in
> stories printed by them?
There are other "errors" in stories, meant as jokes. Don't you think that
this is just one of those jokes?
Stefan
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
DD&Co forgot about Gary Leach
Message 289 -
2002-06-18 at 13:25:50
"The Paper Chase" by Gary Leach/Don Rosa is printed in
the Norwegian Donald Duck & Co 17/2001, but only Don
Rosa is listed as the artist. In other cases like
"Leaky Luck" and "Well-educated Duck" the artists who
came up with the plot are mentioned as they should be.
Do anyone know whay Gary Leach is not mentioned?
And what do you think about this yourself, Gary?
Sigvald :-)
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the Norwegian Donald Duck & Co 17/2001, but only Don
Rosa is listed as the artist. In other cases like
"Leaky Luck" and "Well-educated Duck" the artists who
came up with the plot are mentioned as they should be.
Do anyone know whay Gary Leach is not mentioned?
And what do you think about this yourself, Gary?
Sigvald :-)
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Stefan Persson
DD&Co forgot about Gary Leach
Message 290 -
2002-06-18 at 13:35:22
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr." <sigvald4 at yahoo.no>
To: "DCML" <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 12:25 PM
Subject: DD&Co forgot about Gary Leach
> "The Paper Chase" by Gary Leach/Don Rosa is printed in
> the Norwegian Donald Duck & Co 17/2001, but only Don
> Rosa is listed as the artist.
This is also the case in the Swedish Kalle Anka & C:o 17/2001 and
I.N.D.U.C.K.S.
> In other cases like
> "Leaky Luck" and "Well-educated Duck" the artists who
> came up with the plot are mentioned as they should be.
The artists didn't write the plot in any of those stories.
> Do anyone know whay Gary Leach is not mentioned?
He is credited for writing the story in Kalle Anka & C:o. If he is not
credited for that in the Norwegian magazine, it means that someone at Egmont
did some error when writing the printed credit for the Norwegian magazine.
Stefan
From: "Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr." <sigvald4 at yahoo.no>
To: "DCML" <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 12:25 PM
Subject: DD&Co forgot about Gary Leach
> "The Paper Chase" by Gary Leach/Don Rosa is printed in
> the Norwegian Donald Duck & Co 17/2001, but only Don
> Rosa is listed as the artist.
This is also the case in the Swedish Kalle Anka & C:o 17/2001 and
I.N.D.U.C.K.S.
> In other cases like
> "Leaky Luck" and "Well-educated Duck" the artists who
> came up with the plot are mentioned as they should be.
The artists didn't write the plot in any of those stories.
> Do anyone know whay Gary Leach is not mentioned?
He is credited for writing the story in Kalle Anka & C:o. If he is not
credited for that in the Norwegian magazine, it means that someone at Egmont
did some error when writing the printed credit for the Norwegian magazine.
Stefan
Halsten Aastebol
Teleportation
Message 291 -
2002-06-18 at 13:35:24
At 09:55 18.06.02 +0200, H.W.Fluks at kpn.com wrote:
>Halsten:
>
> > The article had a brilliant illustration: A panel from
> > Barks' 10-pager "Stranger than fiction" from WDC 249.
>
>That's a nine-pager actually. The original 10th page has been teleported
>into a different dimension.
Ah, of course! That's what happened with the missing page in this story!
Kriton wrote:
>Actually, from your brief description, I gather that what these people
>are working on is not teleportation, but replication. They'll still have
>trouble getting a patent, though, as Star Trek has had replicators for
>more than a decade. (Tea, Earl Gray, hot, in a cup!)
Actually, the article had several references to Star Trek.
Regards
Halsten
>Halsten:
>
> > The article had a brilliant illustration: A panel from
> > Barks' 10-pager "Stranger than fiction" from WDC 249.
>
>That's a nine-pager actually. The original 10th page has been teleported
>into a different dimension.
Ah, of course! That's what happened with the missing page in this story!
Kriton wrote:
>Actually, from your brief description, I gather that what these people
>are working on is not teleportation, but replication. They'll still have
>trouble getting a patent, though, as Star Trek has had replicators for
>more than a decade. (Tea, Earl Gray, hot, in a cup!)
Actually, the article had several references to Star Trek.
Regards
Halsten
Kriton Kyrimis
Historical errors in a new Halas/Miguel story
Message 292 -
2002-06-18 at 13:44:50
SIGVALD:
> But as our Italian friends here will know, this is off
> course historical nonsence. The Italians didn't know
> about pasta before Marco Polo tasted it in China more
> than 1000 years later than the period of this story.
Well, the Greeks did have some kind of pasta (though not spaghetti,
I would assume), so the Romans could have learnt it from them if they
did not have an equivalent of their own.
> And as far as I know the pizza is not more than around
> 200 years old.
Manhattan-style pizza probably is. But "pizza" means "pie", and I find
it unlikely that the Italians would not have invented pies till 1800!
What you describe was probably an intended anachronism. Another inaccuracy
is that Roman soldiers did *not* eat good food, such as spaghetti and
pizza or their Roman era equivalents. Remember the scene in one of the
Asterix books, where someone, after being told that the more powerful
an army is, the worse their food is, then tasting the Roman soldiers'
food, he said that he didn't know that the Roman army was *that* poweful?
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"How can you be late in a time machine?"
-----
> But as our Italian friends here will know, this is off
> course historical nonsence. The Italians didn't know
> about pasta before Marco Polo tasted it in China more
> than 1000 years later than the period of this story.
Well, the Greeks did have some kind of pasta (though not spaghetti,
I would assume), so the Romans could have learnt it from them if they
did not have an equivalent of their own.
> And as far as I know the pizza is not more than around
> 200 years old.
Manhattan-style pizza probably is. But "pizza" means "pie", and I find
it unlikely that the Italians would not have invented pies till 1800!
What you describe was probably an intended anachronism. Another inaccuracy
is that Roman soldiers did *not* eat good food, such as spaghetti and
pizza or their Roman era equivalents. Remember the scene in one of the
Asterix books, where someone, after being told that the more powerful
an army is, the worse their food is, then tasting the Roman soldiers'
food, he said that he didn't know that the Roman army was *that* poweful?
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"How can you be late in a time machine?"
-----
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
DD&Co forgot about Gary Leach
Message 293 -
2002-06-18 at 14:07:06
Stefan Persson <reimersholme at hotmail.com> skrev:
> The artists didn't write the plot in any of those
> stories.
Allright, allright. My point is that DD&Co should have
written:
Manus: Gary Leach
Tegninger: Don Rosa
But insteas thy wrote:
Manus og tegninger: Don Rosa
Thus they didn't mention Gary Leach the way they
should have done.
Sigvald :-)
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> The artists didn't write the plot in any of those
> stories.
Allright, allright. My point is that DD&Co should have
written:
Manus: Gary Leach
Tegninger: Don Rosa
But insteas thy wrote:
Manus og tegninger: Don Rosa
Thus they didn't mention Gary Leach the way they
should have done.
Sigvald :-)
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Arttu Salminen
Who Wants To Be A Webmaster?
Message 294 -
2002-06-18 at 16:32:43
After a long thought I've decided to give up the dictatorship of my site Don
Rosa - The New Duckmaster/Uusi Ankkamestari and hand the scepter to someone
else. So who would like to be the next webmaster of the site? You can put in
an application by sending an e-mail to the address arttusal at perunamaa.net or
via the site. There's also more information on the News-section.
Finnish:
http://www.perunamaa.net/donrosa/suomi.html
English:
http://www.perunamaa.net/donrosa/english.html
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http://go.to/donrosa
Rosa - The New Duckmaster/Uusi Ankkamestari and hand the scepter to someone
else. So who would like to be the next webmaster of the site? You can put in
an application by sending an e-mail to the address arttusal at perunamaa.net or
via the site. There's also more information on the News-section.
Finnish:
http://www.perunamaa.net/donrosa/suomi.html
English:
http://www.perunamaa.net/donrosa/english.html
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Santiago García Baños
I need help with Portuguese and Spanish names
Message 295 -
2002-06-18 at 17:37:26
Hello, Sigwald and David:
This is Santiago, from Spain:
The Spanish names David told are OK. These are the others:
a) Downy O'Drake (Scrooges mother): (No translation given, AFIK)
b) Malcolm McDuck (A McDuck ancestor): (No translation given, AFIK)
d) Jos? Carioca:
In Spanish: Jos? Carioca
In Portuguese: Z? Carioca
f) Drakeborough (The old name of the Duckburgarea): (No translation given,
AFIK)
David:
>GIL PATO or T?O GILITO? Of where that name came out? If there is some from
>Spanish in the list, would request him, than did me the great favor of
>explaining to me if "GIL" has some special connotation in Spain.
No, it hasn't (As Far as I Know, once again). I just really like the name of
GIL PATO (T?O GILITO as nickname) because it is an actual person name (GIL
is an actual name and PATO is an actual surname). So, I suppose there must
have been somebody actually named GIL PATO. And the same goes for NARCISO
BELLO (Gladstone Gadner).
Santiago.
This is Santiago, from Spain:
The Spanish names David told are OK. These are the others:
a) Downy O'Drake (Scrooges mother): (No translation given, AFIK)
b) Malcolm McDuck (A McDuck ancestor): (No translation given, AFIK)
d) Jos? Carioca:
In Spanish: Jos? Carioca
In Portuguese: Z? Carioca
f) Drakeborough (The old name of the Duckburgarea): (No translation given,
AFIK)
David:
>GIL PATO or T?O GILITO? Of where that name came out? If there is some from
>Spanish in the list, would request him, than did me the great favor of
>explaining to me if "GIL" has some special connotation in Spain.
No, it hasn't (As Far as I Know, once again). I just really like the name of
GIL PATO (T?O GILITO as nickname) because it is an actual person name (GIL
is an actual name and PATO is an actual surname). So, I suppose there must
have been somebody actually named GIL PATO. And the same goes for NARCISO
BELLO (Gladstone Gadner).
Santiago.
Alecto
Unidentified stories in Australian issues
Message 296 -
2002-06-18 at 19:22:13
Thanks everyone for the help identifying those stories, I think I have them all
worked out now, so now for the covers, you see some of the issues that contain
those stories have covers that I can't find the code for either, so perhaps they
are from Italian issues, you can see the covers here -
http://www.goulburn.net.au/~alecto/ucovers.html
Tony.
worked out now, so now for the covers, you see some of the issues that contain
those stories have covers that I can't find the code for either, so perhaps they
are from Italian issues, you can see the covers here -
http://www.goulburn.net.au/~alecto/ucovers.html
Tony.
Olaf Solstrand
Teleportation
Message 297 -
2002-06-18 at 19:49:03
Halsten:
> The article had a brilliant illustration: A panel from Barks'
> 10-pager "Stranger than fiction" from WDC 249.
Was this Adresseavisen? Damn, I _must_ start buying local newspapers! (Yeah,
I'm in Trondheim too)
Anyway, what I have to add to this discussion is this little funny fact: In
_my_ story D/D 2001-013 (actually my _first_ story, wee!) the nucleonic linear
emisser returns! I had a little sequence where I needed Gyro to create some
kind of teleport - and I simply didn't see any reason to invent something brand
new when Barks already had done it. I won't reveal what the NLE is used to, or
how it turns out (read the story to find out, it will probably be out in
Scandinavia this Autumn or Winter), or how good N??ez have drawn it. Still, it
IS Barks' original N.L.E., and I figured this would be a good time to tell ya.
Have a nice day,
Olaf Solstrand
www.andebyonline.com
> The article had a brilliant illustration: A panel from Barks'
> 10-pager "Stranger than fiction" from WDC 249.
Was this Adresseavisen? Damn, I _must_ start buying local newspapers! (Yeah,
I'm in Trondheim too)
Anyway, what I have to add to this discussion is this little funny fact: In
_my_ story D/D 2001-013 (actually my _first_ story, wee!) the nucleonic linear
emisser returns! I had a little sequence where I needed Gyro to create some
kind of teleport - and I simply didn't see any reason to invent something brand
new when Barks already had done it. I won't reveal what the NLE is used to, or
how it turns out (read the story to find out, it will probably be out in
Scandinavia this Autumn or Winter), or how good N??ez have drawn it. Still, it
IS Barks' original N.L.E., and I figured this would be a good time to tell ya.
Have a nice day,
Olaf Solstrand
www.andebyonline.com
Harald Havas
Teleportation
Message 298 -
2002-06-18 at 20:04:33
Just a short notice:
1. they already succeeded in beaming atoms (1 or 2 years ago)
2. the scientists are Austrian not Australian! ;-) (from Innsbruck to be
precise)
Harald
(Austrian patriot :-)
1. they already succeeded in beaming atoms (1 or 2 years ago)
2. the scientists are Austrian not Australian! ;-) (from Innsbruck to be
precise)
Harald
(Austrian patriot :-)
Timo Ronkainen
Unidentified stories in Australian issues
Message 299 -
2002-06-18 at 20:48:56
>those stories have covers that I can't find the code for either, so perhaps
>they
>are from Italian issues, you can see the covers here -
>http://www.goulburn.net.au/~alecto/ucovers.html
Some of them looks very much Italian. Maybe some of them are some kind of
remakes or combinations. Number nine has Barks' uncle Scrooge but Donald and
aeroplane doesn't look like Barks at all.
Can't give any codes though..
Timo
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>they
>are from Italian issues, you can see the covers here -
>http://www.goulburn.net.au/~alecto/ucovers.html
Some of them looks very much Italian. Maybe some of them are some kind of
remakes or combinations. Number nine has Barks' uncle Scrooge but Donald and
aeroplane doesn't look like Barks at all.
Can't give any codes though..
Timo
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Teleportation (to Harald (Off-Topic))
Message 300 -
2002-06-18 at 21:08:36
Are you sure about this? According to that article (I finally found it on the
Internet), the scientists were from _Canberra_.
Internet), the scientists were from _Canberra_.