Don,
I don't have my Barks material handy. But... isn't Old Demontooth used a second time by Barks... or rather, a *first* time? I don't have the story accessible right now, but isn't it referred to in "The Golden Christmas Tree" as early as 1948? Donald wonders where he'd hide if he were a witch, and then decides-- Demontooth Mountain, that's where.
(I might be totally wrong on this one. If so, forget it.)
As re: the margarine factory, I still think it's a good idea to show the thing among your landmarks. Unlike a lot of Barks landmarks that we fans know, but few others do, the margarine factory is something that *average* Scandinavians and Germans associate with the ducks and would, I think, instantly grin in recognition upon seeing.
And why is it funny? Hey, I'm an American, and it seems darkly funny to *me* to have Donald in this incredibly boring job, on an assembly line, producing a product as unexciting as margarine. It doesn't even have the saving grace of being butter.
David Gerstein (at my alternate address while on vacation)
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Ramapith
Demontooth Mountain, margarine factory
Message 451 -
2002-06-27 at 11:06:55
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Barks in National Geographic?
Message 452 -
2002-06-27 at 11:54:08
In a previous mail to DCML Michael Rhode claims that
the June 2002 issue of National Geographic contains
one page about Carl Barks' use of the National
Geographic magazine as a source for geographic
background information for his stories.
I have checked this issue and it definitely seems like
Mr. Rhode is wrong about this. I can find nothing
about Barks, but a lot about D-Day (the allied
invasion in Normandie on June 6th 1944) in that exact
issue.
If anyone will still claim that this page does exist
in this particular issue of NG, please prove it,
either by referring to the exact page number or by a
scan.
Sigvald :-)
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the June 2002 issue of National Geographic contains
one page about Carl Barks' use of the National
Geographic magazine as a source for geographic
background information for his stories.
I have checked this issue and it definitely seems like
Mr. Rhode is wrong about this. I can find nothing
about Barks, but a lot about D-Day (the allied
invasion in Normandie on June 6th 1944) in that exact
issue.
If anyone will still claim that this page does exist
in this particular issue of NG, please prove it,
either by referring to the exact page number or by a
scan.
Sigvald :-)
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Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
A question about vegetables and translations
Message 453 -
2002-06-27 at 12:03:21
"R. Kooijman" <r.kooijman4 at chello.nl> skrev:
>> It's CUCUMBER. Difficult that one, I had to
>> check the dictionary myself. It's easier with
>> tomat/tomato, eple/apple, etc.
>
> My translater program gives the word gherkin
> for "augurk". So it seems to be easy too ;-)
> (A cucumber is quite longer of form than a
> gherkin...)
The Norwegian for "gherkin" is "sylteagurk".
By the way - the vegetables mentioned by Barks in
"Forbidden Valley" - are they cucumbers (as in the
Norwegian translation) or are they gherkins?
Sigvald :-)
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>> It's CUCUMBER. Difficult that one, I had to
>> check the dictionary myself. It's easier with
>> tomat/tomato, eple/apple, etc.
>
> My translater program gives the word gherkin
> for "augurk". So it seems to be easy too ;-)
> (A cucumber is quite longer of form than a
> gherkin...)
The Norwegian for "gherkin" is "sylteagurk".
By the way - the vegetables mentioned by Barks in
"Forbidden Valley" - are they cucumbers (as in the
Norwegian translation) or are they gherkins?
Sigvald :-)
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Halsten Aastebol
A question about vegetables and translations
Message 454 -
2002-06-27 at 12:45:57
At 11:03 27.06.02 +0200, Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr. wrote:
>The Norwegian for "gherkin" is "sylteagurk".
>
>By the way - the vegetables mentioned by Barks in
>"Forbidden Valley" - are they cucumbers (as in the
>Norwegian translation) or are they gherkins?
I'm not able to check the story right now, but as I remember it, the
vegetables destroyed by the bugs must've been gherkins. But was it gherkins
that McBrine had in his warehouse? I thought the Norwegian translation said
"nedlagt kaalrot" meaning something like "pickled Swedish turnip" which is
also said to have gone somewhat bad. Doesn't sound very delicate, which is
definitely confirmed at the end of the story. Swedish turnip is not
something you would put in a jar in the first place. His problem was that
nobody wanted to by this peculiar product as long as pickled gherkins were
available.
What does the original say again?
Regards
Halsten
>The Norwegian for "gherkin" is "sylteagurk".
>
>By the way - the vegetables mentioned by Barks in
>"Forbidden Valley" - are they cucumbers (as in the
>Norwegian translation) or are they gherkins?
I'm not able to check the story right now, but as I remember it, the
vegetables destroyed by the bugs must've been gherkins. But was it gherkins
that McBrine had in his warehouse? I thought the Norwegian translation said
"nedlagt kaalrot" meaning something like "pickled Swedish turnip" which is
also said to have gone somewhat bad. Doesn't sound very delicate, which is
definitely confirmed at the end of the story. Swedish turnip is not
something you would put in a jar in the first place. His problem was that
nobody wanted to by this peculiar product as long as pickled gherkins were
available.
What does the original say again?
Regards
Halsten
Gerd Syllwasschy
A question about vegetables and translations
Message 455 -
2002-06-27 at 13:05:18
Halsten Aastebol wrote:
>
> At 11:03 27.06.02 +0200, Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr. wrote:
>
> >The Norwegian for "gherkin" is "sylteagurk".
> >
> >By the way - the vegetables mentioned by Barks in
> >"Forbidden Valley" - are they cucumbers (as in the
> >Norwegian translation) or are they gherkins?
>
> I'm not able to check the story right now, but as I remember it, the
> vegetables destroyed by the bugs must've been gherkins. But was it gherkins
> that McBrine had in his warehouse? I thought the Norwegian translation said
> "nedlagt kaalrot" meaning something like "pickled Swedish turnip" which is
> also said to have gone somewhat bad. Doesn't sound very delicate, which is
> definitely confirmed at the end of the story. Swedish turnip is not
> something you would put in a jar in the first place. His problem was that
> nobody wanted to by this peculiar product as long as pickled gherkins were
> available.
>
> What does the original say again?
The things in McBrine's warehouse are "pickled rutabagas" - which, I
believe, is not far from a kaalrot. I'm not sure right now if the normal
vegetables are called anything else but "pickles".
Gerd
>
> At 11:03 27.06.02 +0200, Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr. wrote:
>
> >The Norwegian for "gherkin" is "sylteagurk".
> >
> >By the way - the vegetables mentioned by Barks in
> >"Forbidden Valley" - are they cucumbers (as in the
> >Norwegian translation) or are they gherkins?
>
> I'm not able to check the story right now, but as I remember it, the
> vegetables destroyed by the bugs must've been gherkins. But was it gherkins
> that McBrine had in his warehouse? I thought the Norwegian translation said
> "nedlagt kaalrot" meaning something like "pickled Swedish turnip" which is
> also said to have gone somewhat bad. Doesn't sound very delicate, which is
> definitely confirmed at the end of the story. Swedish turnip is not
> something you would put in a jar in the first place. His problem was that
> nobody wanted to by this peculiar product as long as pickled gherkins were
> available.
>
> What does the original say again?
The things in McBrine's warehouse are "pickled rutabagas" - which, I
believe, is not far from a kaalrot. I'm not sure right now if the normal
vegetables are called anything else but "pickles".
Gerd
Norbert Stippler
Barks' Little Joke (Kriton Kyrimis)
Message 456 -
2002-06-27 at 13:21:35
> > Also: No One thinks that that old ramshackle shack on Dreary Street (Angina
> > Arthritis' House) is a memorable and important landmark in Duckburg????
>
> Not really. That building was demolished in an explosion of McDuck
> flour. The gingerbread house that was left standing in its place would
> not have lasted long, and, if we believe Barks, it was *eaten* right away,
> giving Scrooge an indigestion.
Kriton, you mix up stories.
The gingerbread house belongs to Miss Pennywise.
Angina Arthritis occurs in the story where Donald and HDL work as telegram-messengers.
Norbert
> > Arthritis' House) is a memorable and important landmark in Duckburg????
>
> Not really. That building was demolished in an explosion of McDuck
> flour. The gingerbread house that was left standing in its place would
> not have lasted long, and, if we believe Barks, it was *eaten* right away,
> giving Scrooge an indigestion.
Kriton, you mix up stories.
The gingerbread house belongs to Miss Pennywise.
Angina Arthritis occurs in the story where Donald and HDL work as telegram-messengers.
Norbert
Frank Bubacz
Barks' Little Joke
Message 457 -
2002-06-27 at 13:23:08
> > Also: No One thinks that that old ramshackle shack on Dreary Street
>(Angina
> > Arthritis' House) is a memorable and important landmark in Duckburg?
It seems Rob is talking about WDC 90...
>Not really. That building was demolished in an explosion of McDuck
>flour. The gingerbread house that was left standing in its place would
>not have lasted long
...while Kriton mixed that one up with WDC 164.
Frank
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>(Angina
> > Arthritis' House) is a memorable and important landmark in Duckburg?
It seems Rob is talking about WDC 90...
>Not really. That building was demolished in an explosion of McDuck
>flour. The gingerbread house that was left standing in its place would
>not have lasted long
...while Kriton mixed that one up with WDC 164.
Frank
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SRoweCanoe
A question about vegetables and translations
Message 458 -
2002-06-27 at 13:31:00
In a message dated 6/27/2002 6:09:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gsy at megatel.de
writes:
> The things in McBrine's warehouse are "pickled rutabagas" - which, I
> believe, is not far from a kaalrot. I'm not sure right now if the normal
> vegetables are called anything else but "pickles".
>
Here in the USA, if you go to a store, and buy "pickles" you will get pickled
cucumbers. However you can pickle anything. Rural area stores used to sell
pickled eggs and pickled pigs feet.
Steven Rowe
writes:
> The things in McBrine's warehouse are "pickled rutabagas" - which, I
> believe, is not far from a kaalrot. I'm not sure right now if the normal
> vegetables are called anything else but "pickles".
>
Here in the USA, if you go to a store, and buy "pickles" you will get pickled
cucumbers. However you can pickle anything. Rural area stores used to sell
pickled eggs and pickled pigs feet.
Steven Rowe
Halsten Aastebol
A question about vegetables and translations
Message 459 -
2002-06-27 at 13:35:09
At 12:05 27.06.02 +0200, Gerd Syllwasschy wrote:
>Halsten Aastebol wrote:
> >
> > At 11:03 27.06.02 +0200, Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr. wrote:
> >
> > >The Norwegian for "gherkin" is "sylteagurk".
> > >
> > >By the way - the vegetables mentioned by Barks in
> > >"Forbidden Valley" - are they cucumbers (as in the
> > >Norwegian translation) or are they gherkins?
> >
> > I'm not able to check the story right now, but as I remember it, the
> > vegetables destroyed by the bugs must've been gherkins. But was it
> gherkins
> > that McBrine had in his warehouse? I thought the Norwegian translation
> said
> > "nedlagt kaalrot" meaning something like "pickled Swedish turnip" which is
> > also said to have gone somewhat bad. Doesn't sound very delicate, which is
> > definitely confirmed at the end of the story. Swedish turnip is not
> > something you would put in a jar in the first place. His problem was that
> > nobody wanted to by this peculiar product as long as pickled gherkins were
> > available.
> >
> > What does the original say again?
>
>The things in McBrine's warehouse are "pickled rutabagas" - which, I
>believe, is not far from a kaalrot.
Ah! Rutabaga is listed in my dictionary as the American-English name for
Swedish turnip.
Regards
Halsten
>Halsten Aastebol wrote:
> >
> > At 11:03 27.06.02 +0200, Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr. wrote:
> >
> > >The Norwegian for "gherkin" is "sylteagurk".
> > >
> > >By the way - the vegetables mentioned by Barks in
> > >"Forbidden Valley" - are they cucumbers (as in the
> > >Norwegian translation) or are they gherkins?
> >
> > I'm not able to check the story right now, but as I remember it, the
> > vegetables destroyed by the bugs must've been gherkins. But was it
> gherkins
> > that McBrine had in his warehouse? I thought the Norwegian translation
> said
> > "nedlagt kaalrot" meaning something like "pickled Swedish turnip" which is
> > also said to have gone somewhat bad. Doesn't sound very delicate, which is
> > definitely confirmed at the end of the story. Swedish turnip is not
> > something you would put in a jar in the first place. His problem was that
> > nobody wanted to by this peculiar product as long as pickled gherkins were
> > available.
> >
> > What does the original say again?
>
>The things in McBrine's warehouse are "pickled rutabagas" - which, I
>believe, is not far from a kaalrot.
Ah! Rutabaga is listed in my dictionary as the American-English name for
Swedish turnip.
Regards
Halsten
H.W.Fluks
Don: Duckburg's 12 landmarks
Message 460 -
2002-06-27 at 14:31:53
Don Rosa wrote:
> There are only 2, maybe 3, actual
> legitimate landmarks in Duckburg that I can see... features
> of the city that
> have been used in more than a single story.
> There are only 2, maybe 3, actual
> legitimate landmarks in Duckburg that I can see... features
> of the city that
> have been used in more than a single story.
Dan Shane
Duckburg's 12 landmarks
Message 461 -
2002-06-27 at 14:38:58
MR. ROSA WRITES (in part):
> But.... it would make such a great drawing in this series! Can I
> assume the
> Forest and anything in it is considered a Duckburg feature? I think I
> should!
AND I STICK MY NOSE IN:
There are political boundaries in numerous cities that encompass land
features. Our own city of Louisville has now swallowed up all of Jefferson
County into a single government, and the city owns Otter Creek Park over 30
miles away. I would easily accept Fort Duckburg in the Black Forest as a
feature of the city.
Dan
> But.... it would make such a great drawing in this series! Can I
> assume the
> Forest and anything in it is considered a Duckburg feature? I think I
> should!
AND I STICK MY NOSE IN:
There are political boundaries in numerous cities that encompass land
features. Our own city of Louisville has now swallowed up all of Jefferson
County into a single government, and the city owns Otter Creek Park over 30
miles away. I would easily accept Fort Duckburg in the Black Forest as a
feature of the city.
Dan
Halsten Aastebol
Duckburg's 12 landmarks
Message 462 -
2002-06-27 at 15:11:01
At 07:38 27.06.02 -0400, Dan Shane wrote:
>There are political boundaries in numerous cities that encompass land
>features. Our own city of Louisville has now swallowed up all of Jefferson
>County into a single government, and the city owns Otter Creek Park over 30
>miles away. I would easily accept Fort Duckburg in the Black Forest as a
>feature of the city.
And the most famous landmark in New York City is outside it's city limits.
It's not even in New York state. The Statue of Liberty lies on Liberty
Island in New Jersey. So political/administrative boundaries around the
city is not too important either.
Regards
Halsten
>There are political boundaries in numerous cities that encompass land
>features. Our own city of Louisville has now swallowed up all of Jefferson
>County into a single government, and the city owns Otter Creek Park over 30
>miles away. I would easily accept Fort Duckburg in the Black Forest as a
>feature of the city.
And the most famous landmark in New York City is outside it's city limits.
It's not even in New York state. The Statue of Liberty lies on Liberty
Island in New Jersey. So political/administrative boundaries around the
city is not too important either.
Regards
Halsten
Kriton Kyrimis
Don: Duckburg's 12 landmarks
Message 463 -
2002-06-27 at 15:32:15
HARRY:
> IMO they will think "of course, Duckburg has a monumental church".
And they are going to chuckle, admiring the ingenuity of whoever came
up with the name "Notre Duck"!
> To you the story probably is "somewhat unmemorable" because it was
> published after your youth. To *me* the story is one of the best Scrooge
> stories that Barks did.
Hear, hear!
> In Holland (Rotterdam), the Van Nelle factory is a monument (and a
> landmark) because of its innovative architecture (from the 1930s).
And in Athens, the Fix beer factory in the center of Athens is being
turned into a cultural center / metro station / bus terminal. It is
already a landmark, giving its name to the area (a big factory within
walking distance of the Acropolis is not an everyday sight), and when
the modifications are completed, it may well become something one would
put on a postcard. (OT trivia: Fix was a Bavarian named Fuchs, whose
name Greeks could not pronounce, so he changed it!
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
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> IMO they will think "of course, Duckburg has a monumental church".
And they are going to chuckle, admiring the ingenuity of whoever came
up with the name "Notre Duck"!
> To you the story probably is "somewhat unmemorable" because it was
> published after your youth. To *me* the story is one of the best Scrooge
> stories that Barks did.
Hear, hear!
> In Holland (Rotterdam), the Van Nelle factory is a monument (and a
> landmark) because of its innovative architecture (from the 1930s).
And in Athens, the Fix beer factory in the center of Athens is being
turned into a cultural center / metro station / bus terminal. It is
already a landmark, giving its name to the area (a big factory within
walking distance of the Acropolis is not an everyday sight), and when
the modifications are completed, it may well become something one would
put on a postcard. (OT trivia: Fix was a Bavarian named Fuchs, whose
name Greeks could not pronounce, so he changed it!
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"If you are forced to fight, you have already lost the first battle."
-----
Frank Bubacz
Duckburg's 12 landmarks
Message 464 -
2002-06-27 at 16:36:56
>However you can pickle anything. Rural area stores used to sell
>pickled eggs and pickled pigs feet.
Ah! That's what happened to McBrine in the end... Well, he certainly
deserved it...
There is still a Duckburg landmark not mentioned yet, which, sadly, has
never been depicted: Scrooge's amusement park! In "Lost beneath the sea"
(US 46) he plans to buy the Mount Everest, the Taj Mahal, and Hong Kong to
be included there. As far as I know everything is still in its right place
and therefore this plan was doomed to failure, but I wonder what else might
be there in this ambitious amusement park??? It certainly has to be the most
impressing Duckburg landmark of them all, although somehow I guess that Don
will not like to use it... ;-)
Frank
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>pickled eggs and pickled pigs feet.
Ah! That's what happened to McBrine in the end... Well, he certainly
deserved it...
There is still a Duckburg landmark not mentioned yet, which, sadly, has
never been depicted: Scrooge's amusement park! In "Lost beneath the sea"
(US 46) he plans to buy the Mount Everest, the Taj Mahal, and Hong Kong to
be included there. As far as I know everything is still in its right place
and therefore this plan was doomed to failure, but I wonder what else might
be there in this ambitious amusement park??? It certainly has to be the most
impressing Duckburg landmark of them all, although somehow I guess that Don
will not like to use it... ;-)
Frank
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Duckburg's 12 landmarks
Message 465 -
2002-06-27 at 16:54:13
On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Frank Bubacz wrote:
> be there in this ambitious amusement park??? It certainly has to be the most
> impressing Duckburg landmark of them all, although somehow I guess that Don
> will not like to use it... ;-)
Erm, are you sure that the amusement park is is Duckburg?
I mean, considering $crooge's plans (Taj Mahal, Mount Everest...),
it seems that the park already exists in Florida.
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> be there in this ambitious amusement park??? It certainly has to be the most
> impressing Duckburg landmark of them all, although somehow I guess that Don
> will not like to use it... ;-)
Erm, are you sure that the amusement park is is Duckburg?
I mean, considering $crooge's plans (Taj Mahal, Mount Everest...),
it seems that the park already exists in Florida.
--
. jussi mantere
. http://www.iki.fi/obs/
. mister, i ain't no boy, no i'm a man
.. and i believe in the promised land