Hi!
I saw on the coa that there was a story with both Zapotec and Einmug, but not
Marlin...
Is this a mistake, or is it true???
(the story is "Topolino e il mistero dei Tecnechi" ( I TL 1571-B ), by Maria
Luisa Uggetti, Tiberio Colantuoni and Alessandro Sisti.
Gilles
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Topic: 200206
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Goofy313g
Zapotec and Einmug???
Message 46 -
2002-06-03 at 21:17:15
Cebarat
Duckburg and the World Cup
Message 47 -
2002-06-04 at 04:50:42
Everyone,
With regard to "parts" of a nation being permitted to participate as
individual entities in the World Cup, the only nation where such a practice
is allowed is Great Britain. The four "parts" are England, Scotland,
Northern Ireland and Wales. I gather from reading about the history of
soccer that allowing such an unusual arrangement to continue was part of the
"price" paid by FIFA to bring Britain into the international soccer
community. As for Duckburg's even more unusual status as a city that can
send its "own" team to the Olympics or World Cup (not to mention having its
own consulates in foreign lands)... perhaps, on Disney Earth, Duckburg has
succeeded where Washington DC and New York City have (thus far) failed and
attained unique status as a semi-indepedent, Vatican-like "city-state" of
some sort. For sure, given that Scrooge lives in Duckburg, the city must
have a state-sized reserve of cash.
Chris Barat
With regard to "parts" of a nation being permitted to participate as
individual entities in the World Cup, the only nation where such a practice
is allowed is Great Britain. The four "parts" are England, Scotland,
Northern Ireland and Wales. I gather from reading about the history of
soccer that allowing such an unusual arrangement to continue was part of the
"price" paid by FIFA to bring Britain into the international soccer
community. As for Duckburg's even more unusual status as a city that can
send its "own" team to the Olympics or World Cup (not to mention having its
own consulates in foreign lands)... perhaps, on Disney Earth, Duckburg has
succeeded where Washington DC and New York City have (thus far) failed and
attained unique status as a semi-indepedent, Vatican-like "city-state" of
some sort. For sure, given that Scrooge lives in Duckburg, the city must
have a state-sized reserve of cash.
Chris Barat
Kriton Kyrimis
Duckburg and the World Cup
Message 48 -
2002-06-04 at 09:05:11
CHRIS:
> With regard to "parts" of a nation being permitted to participate as
> individual entities in the World Cup,
Perhaps the key here is the distinction between "country" and "nation",
and the issue is not whether parts of a nation are allowed to enter an
event, but whether parts of a country, which constitute separate nations
within a country, are allowed. One could argue that this is the case
for the United Kingdom, where the four kingdoms that constitute the
country are not as united as, say, the fifty states constituting the
United States. Perhaps this is the case with Duckburg, whose inhabitants
apparently consider themselves to be a separate nation within the US.
(There are other such nations, the Navajo nation, e.g.) The fact that
the people of Duckburg use the term "Duckburgian", instead of "American",
to describe themselves, is a clue in that direction.
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"*Now* is the time when the present is turning into the future."
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> With regard to "parts" of a nation being permitted to participate as
> individual entities in the World Cup,
Perhaps the key here is the distinction between "country" and "nation",
and the issue is not whether parts of a nation are allowed to enter an
event, but whether parts of a country, which constitute separate nations
within a country, are allowed. One could argue that this is the case
for the United Kingdom, where the four kingdoms that constitute the
country are not as united as, say, the fifty states constituting the
United States. Perhaps this is the case with Duckburg, whose inhabitants
apparently consider themselves to be a separate nation within the US.
(There are other such nations, the Navajo nation, e.g.) The fact that
the people of Duckburg use the term "Duckburgian", instead of "American",
to describe themselves, is a clue in that direction.
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"*Now* is the time when the present is turning into the future."
-----
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Duckburg and the World Cup
Message 49 -
2002-06-04 at 11:39:41
Cebarat at aol.com skrev:
> With regard to "parts" of a nation being permitted
> to participate as individual entities in the World
> Cup, the only nation where such a practice is
> allowed is Great Britain. The four "parts" are
> England, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales.
> I gather from reading about the history of soccer
> that allowing such an unusual arrangement to
> continue was part of the "price" paid by FIFA to
> bring Britain into the international soccer
> community.
Well there actually are examples which proves that
this practice is NOT limited to the UK. A quick check
on the last Fifa-rank shows:
#119 - Faroe Islands (Part of Denmark)
#143 - Hong Kong (Part of China)
#182 - Macao (Part of China)
(By the way - can any of our Finnish or Swedish
friends here tell us why the Aaland Islands in the
Baltic sea does not have the same status as the Faroe
Islands in this matter?)
> As for Duckburg's even more unusual status as a
> city that can send its "own" team to the Olympics...
Well an other earlier British colony, Hong Kong does
the same ting...
> (not to mention having its own consulates in
> foreign lands...
First a consulate is NOT the same as an embassy. And
who has evere said that Duckburg has it's own
consulates in other countries? As far as I can
remember the only consulates mentioned is consulates
for forreign countries (like the Brutopian) in
Duckburg. And that is completely normal.
So as you may se from my answers here that I have read
the other postings on this issue and also done some
research myself and realises now that my conclusions
presented here yesterday *may* not be totally correct
after all. Because there actually does exist a city
with it?s own Olympic Committee *and* it?s own
membership in FIFA: Hong Kong (which even is an
earlier British colony).
But this is still an interesting issue which I hope
will be kept discussed here for a while.
Best regards from
Sigvald :-)
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> With regard to "parts" of a nation being permitted
> to participate as individual entities in the World
> Cup, the only nation where such a practice is
> allowed is Great Britain. The four "parts" are
> England, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales.
> I gather from reading about the history of soccer
> that allowing such an unusual arrangement to
> continue was part of the "price" paid by FIFA to
> bring Britain into the international soccer
> community.
Well there actually are examples which proves that
this practice is NOT limited to the UK. A quick check
on the last Fifa-rank shows:
#119 - Faroe Islands (Part of Denmark)
#143 - Hong Kong (Part of China)
#182 - Macao (Part of China)
(By the way - can any of our Finnish or Swedish
friends here tell us why the Aaland Islands in the
Baltic sea does not have the same status as the Faroe
Islands in this matter?)
> As for Duckburg's even more unusual status as a
> city that can send its "own" team to the Olympics...
Well an other earlier British colony, Hong Kong does
the same ting...
> (not to mention having its own consulates in
> foreign lands...
First a consulate is NOT the same as an embassy. And
who has evere said that Duckburg has it's own
consulates in other countries? As far as I can
remember the only consulates mentioned is consulates
for forreign countries (like the Brutopian) in
Duckburg. And that is completely normal.
So as you may se from my answers here that I have read
the other postings on this issue and also done some
research myself and realises now that my conclusions
presented here yesterday *may* not be totally correct
after all. Because there actually does exist a city
with it?s own Olympic Committee *and* it?s own
membership in FIFA: Hong Kong (which even is an
earlier British colony).
But this is still an interesting issue which I hope
will be kept discussed here for a while.
Best regards from
Sigvald :-)
______________________________________________________
F?lg VM i fotball 2002 p? http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Duckburg and the World Cup
Message 50 -
2002-06-04 at 11:58:27
Kriton Kyrimis <kyrimis at cti.gr> skrev:
> Perhaps this is the case with Duckburg, whose
> inhabitants apparently consider themselves to
> be a separate nation within the US. (There are
> other such nations, the Navajo nation, e.g.) The
> fact that the people of Duckburg use the term
> "Duckburgian" instead of "American" to describe
> themselves, is a clue in that direction.
I don't think so. It's completely normal to describe
oneself after ones city or region in addition to the
national description. The situation decides when to
use what description. For example it is totally normal
to say some thing like ?September 11th was a though
experience for the New Yorkers
?. The same way our
good friend AC Siveb?k from Jylland (Jutland) in
Denmark can call himself both a Danish (=from Denmark)
or a Jyde (=from Jutland) depending on the situation.
Best regards from
Sigvald :-)
______________________________________________________
F?lg VM i fotball 2002 p? http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
> Perhaps this is the case with Duckburg, whose
> inhabitants apparently consider themselves to
> be a separate nation within the US. (There are
> other such nations, the Navajo nation, e.g.) The
> fact that the people of Duckburg use the term
> "Duckburgian" instead of "American" to describe
> themselves, is a clue in that direction.
I don't think so. It's completely normal to describe
oneself after ones city or region in addition to the
national description. The situation decides when to
use what description. For example it is totally normal
to say some thing like ?September 11th was a though
experience for the New Yorkers
?. The same way our
good friend AC Siveb?k from Jylland (Jutland) in
Denmark can call himself both a Danish (=from Denmark)
or a Jyde (=from Jutland) depending on the situation.
Best regards from
Sigvald :-)
______________________________________________________
F?lg VM i fotball 2002 p? http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
Kriton Kyrimis
Duckburg and the World Cup
Message 51 -
2002-06-04 at 11:58:57
> And who has evere said that Duckburg has it's own
> consulates in other countries?
Um, Barks! E.g., in "The Terrible Tourist" (WDCS 248).
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"Killing your own clone is still murder."
-----
> consulates in other countries?
Um, Barks! E.g., in "The Terrible Tourist" (WDCS 248).
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"Killing your own clone is still murder."
-----
Kriton Kyrimis
Duckburg and the World Cup
Message 52 -
2002-06-04 at 12:13:53
SIGVALD:
> I don't think so. It's completely normal to describe
> oneself after ones city or region in addition to the
> national description. The situation decides when to
> use what description. For example it is totally normal
> to say some thing like "September 11th was a though
> experience for the New Yorkers".
Well, yes and no. One can call themselves using the name of their
town when referring to events in that town, such as a disaster, or to
local sporting events against a team from another town, e.g., a game
with Goosetown (where there can even be a further subdivisions, e.g.,
northsiders vs. southsiders), but when one is referring to more than
just one's home town, one doesn't use the town's name. ?You don't talk
about the New Yorker consul, just because the US consul in your area
happens to be from New York!
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"Me, confuse the issue? | My dear fellow, you're doing a very good job
yourself. I mean, I'm not even sure what the issue is any more, and even if
I did, the last thing I'd do would be to attempt to confuse it."
-----
> I don't think so. It's completely normal to describe
> oneself after ones city or region in addition to the
> national description. The situation decides when to
> use what description. For example it is totally normal
> to say some thing like "September 11th was a though
> experience for the New Yorkers".
Well, yes and no. One can call themselves using the name of their
town when referring to events in that town, such as a disaster, or to
local sporting events against a team from another town, e.g., a game
with Goosetown (where there can even be a further subdivisions, e.g.,
northsiders vs. southsiders), but when one is referring to more than
just one's home town, one doesn't use the town's name. ?You don't talk
about the New Yorker consul, just because the US consul in your area
happens to be from New York!
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"Me, confuse the issue? | My dear fellow, you're doing a very good job
yourself. I mean, I'm not even sure what the issue is any more, and even if
I did, the last thing I'd do would be to attempt to confuse it."
-----
Georges Helm
Barks Friends
Message 53 -
2002-06-04 at 14:19:40
Could I have some more information on this book.
(editor, perhaps ISBN)
I want to order it.
My Italian bookshop doesn't seem to know it.
Thank you.
Georges Helm
"Was der Wille erstrebt, erreicht er." (Donald Duck)
313 at pt.lu
----- Original Message ----- From: <H.W.Fluks at kpn.com>
> I also bought the newest Zio Paperone, and the book "Barks Friends" (yes,
> that's its Italian title). The latter contains all "Barks tribute"
stories,
> made by Egmont for Barks' 100th birthday. In Italy, the book celebrates
> Barks' "100+1th" birthday...
> The book has a nice cover by Marco Rota. And text pieces by Luca and
> Alberto.
>
(editor, perhaps ISBN)
I want to order it.
My Italian bookshop doesn't seem to know it.
Thank you.
Georges Helm
"Was der Wille erstrebt, erreicht er." (Donald Duck)
313 at pt.lu
----- Original Message ----- From: <H.W.Fluks at kpn.com>
> I also bought the newest Zio Paperone, and the book "Barks Friends" (yes,
> that's its Italian title). The latter contains all "Barks tribute"
stories,
> made by Egmont for Barks' 100th birthday. In Italy, the book celebrates
> Barks' "100+1th" birthday...
> The book has a nice cover by Marco Rota. And text pieces by Luca and
> Alberto.
>
Frank Stajano
Barks Friends
Message 54 -
2002-06-04 at 14:33:18
At 2002-06-04 12:19, you wrote:
>Could I have some more information on this book.
>(editor, perhaps ISBN)
>I want to order it.
>My Italian bookshop doesn't seem to know it.
It's not a book of the kind you get in bookshops. It's a comic, of the kind
you get in "edicole" (Italian kiosks/newsagents). Except that, in the
Italian tradition, it's a square-bound affair, so some people here call it
"book". But no Italian would call it "libro". No ISBN or any of that stuff.
It's like a slightly overgrown Zio Paperone.
Frank (filologo disneyano) http://www-lce.eng.cam.ac.uk/~fms27/
>Could I have some more information on this book.
>(editor, perhaps ISBN)
>I want to order it.
>My Italian bookshop doesn't seem to know it.
It's not a book of the kind you get in bookshops. It's a comic, of the kind
you get in "edicole" (Italian kiosks/newsagents). Except that, in the
Italian tradition, it's a square-bound affair, so some people here call it
"book". But no Italian would call it "libro". No ISBN or any of that stuff.
It's like a slightly overgrown Zio Paperone.
Frank (filologo disneyano) http://www-lce.eng.cam.ac.uk/~fms27/
Cwiljes
AW: Barks Friends
Message 55 -
2002-06-04 at 14:41:57
Georges Helm asked for more info on the Italian "Barks' Friends".
It's also known as "Super Disney" #24:
http://coa.duckburg.dk/coa/c1/issue.php/0/it/SUD++24
It's also known as "Super Disney" #24:
http://coa.duckburg.dk/coa/c1/issue.php/0/it/SUD++24
H.W.Fluks
Barks Friends
Message 56 -
2002-06-04 at 14:48:05
Frank to Georges:
> It's not a book of the kind you get in bookshops. It's a
> comic, of the kind
> you get in "edicole" (Italian kiosks/newsagents).
But in this case, most kiosks in Rome directed me to book shops, because
they didn't have the "Barks Friends" book (I showed them the ads for it in
the other Disney comics). Only the 10th kiosk (or so) happened to have a
copy.
--Harry.
> It's not a book of the kind you get in bookshops. It's a
> comic, of the kind
> you get in "edicole" (Italian kiosks/newsagents).
But in this case, most kiosks in Rome directed me to book shops, because
they didn't have the "Barks Friends" book (I showed them the ads for it in
the other Disney comics). Only the 10th kiosk (or so) happened to have a
copy.
--Harry.
Kriton Kyrimis
The Great Boston Molasses Flood
Message 57 -
2002-06-04 at 16:05:17
I just encountered a web page about a molasses tank exploding in
1919, flooding Boston and killing 21 people. Could this have been the
isnpriration for Barks' "Omelet" story?
http://www.mv.com/ipusers/arcade/molasses.htm
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"We'll all become unpeople, undoing unthings untogether."
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1919, flooding Boston and killing 21 people. Could this have been the
isnpriration for Barks' "Omelet" story?
http://www.mv.com/ipusers/arcade/molasses.htm
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"We'll all become unpeople, undoing unthings untogether."
-----
DGE
Recent Egmont Mickey story
Message 58 -
2002-06-04 at 18:13:48
Hey, Don and everyone...
>One of the gags in my script had to do with what I called a "Catapult
>Land Mine", where Mickey steps on a flat object
>[which] I described [as] kind of oblong, like a turkey platter.
>And the artist (Xavi) did indeed draw it looking like a turkey platter
>-- WITH A TURKEY ON IT!
>
>Amazingly enough, none of the professional editors and proofreaders
>who saw it before me thought there was anything odd or unusual about
>Mickey not noticing he was about to step on an entire roast turkey.
I'm the professional editor here, and Don... please give me a break,
pal! You've actually *misremembered* your own story (both your own original
script and my edited version!).
Mickey doesn't step forward onto the platter. Instead, having just
received a scare, Mickey falls backwards- and while Mickey's still in
mid-fall, a prankster standing behind Mickey sticks the platter under
Mickey's butt so he'll land seated on it.
Had Mickey been running forward and stepped on the platter, I'd
agree with you that the turkey was too obvious, and I'd have asked that it
be erased. But since Mickey doesn't even see the platter until he's already
landed on it, it didn't matter what the platter looked like.
I decided the platter was funnier with the turkey than without. So
the turkey stayed.
Gobble gobble,
David
>One of the gags in my script had to do with what I called a "Catapult
>Land Mine", where Mickey steps on a flat object
>[which] I described [as] kind of oblong, like a turkey platter.
>And the artist (Xavi) did indeed draw it looking like a turkey platter
>-- WITH A TURKEY ON IT!
>
>Amazingly enough, none of the professional editors and proofreaders
>who saw it before me thought there was anything odd or unusual about
>Mickey not noticing he was about to step on an entire roast turkey.
I'm the professional editor here, and Don... please give me a break,
pal! You've actually *misremembered* your own story (both your own original
script and my edited version!).
Mickey doesn't step forward onto the platter. Instead, having just
received a scare, Mickey falls backwards- and while Mickey's still in
mid-fall, a prankster standing behind Mickey sticks the platter under
Mickey's butt so he'll land seated on it.
Had Mickey been running forward and stepped on the platter, I'd
agree with you that the turkey was too obvious, and I'd have asked that it
be erased. But since Mickey doesn't even see the platter until he's already
landed on it, it didn't matter what the platter looked like.
I decided the platter was funnier with the turkey than without. So
the turkey stayed.
Gobble gobble,
David
Vidar Svendsen
Duckburg and the World Cup
Message 59 -
2002-06-04 at 20:12:03
> > And who has evere said that Duckburg has it's own
> > consulates in other countries?
>Um, Barks! E.g., in "The Terrible Tourist" (WDCS 248).
and in "The Treasure of Marco Polo"
> Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
> (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
>-----
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>-----
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with the possible exception of bad news,
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> > consulates in other countries?
>Um, Barks! E.g., in "The Terrible Tourist" (WDCS 248).
and in "The Treasure of Marco Polo"
> Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
> (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
>-----
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>-----
>_______________________________________________
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"Nothing travels faster than the speed of light
with the possible exception of bad news,
which obeys its own special laws."
Chuck Munson
#951 - Duckburgian Embassies
Message 60 -
2002-06-04 at 20:14:47
Hi all!
In addition to the reference which Kriton made to a
Duckburgian foreign service in "Terrible Tourist", I
think there is another Barks reference to a
Duckburgian embassy. In "Treasure of Marco Polo",
didn't one of the rebels lob a hand grenade into the
Duckburgian embassy in Unsteadystan, destroying the
structure and thus eliminating a safe haven for Don,
Scrooge, & company? (By the way, always struck me
that it was either a really powerful hand grenade or
really flimsy building!)
Take care,
Chuck Munson
Oak Hill, Virginia [Virginian by residence, American
*and* New Jerseyite by birth, just to add something to
that thread! ;-) ]
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In addition to the reference which Kriton made to a
Duckburgian foreign service in "Terrible Tourist", I
think there is another Barks reference to a
Duckburgian embassy. In "Treasure of Marco Polo",
didn't one of the rebels lob a hand grenade into the
Duckburgian embassy in Unsteadystan, destroying the
structure and thus eliminating a safe haven for Don,
Scrooge, & company? (By the way, always struck me
that it was either a really powerful hand grenade or
really flimsy building!)
Take care,
Chuck Munson
Oak Hill, Virginia [Virginian by residence, American
*and* New Jerseyite by birth, just to add something to
that thread! ;-) ]
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