Hi all!
In the most recent Donald Duck pocket book published
in Norway there is a story about Duckburg sending a
team to the 2002 Soccer World Cup in South
Korea/Japan. And in the past there have been a lot of
such stories about Duckburg participating in the
Olympics, Soccer World Cups, etc. Even Carl Barks and
Don Rosa have done such stories. However I find many
reasons to be very critical to see more in these
stories than just fiction.
First how can a single city participate with it?s own
team in a Soccer World Cup or in the Olympics?
Specially when it?s definitely not an independent
nation as Duckburg is definitely a part of Calisota
which we have learned is a 51st state in the USA. So
as I see it, any Duckburgians in a Soccer World Cup or
in the Olympics would have to be a part of the
American squad or change their citizenship.
What are your opinions about this matter?
Best regards from
Sigvald :-)
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Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Duckburg and the Soccer World Cup
Message 31 -
2002-06-03 at 15:27:28
Kriton Kyrimis
Duckburg and the Soccer World Cup
Message 32 -
2002-06-03 at 16:07:03
> First how can a single city participate with it's own
> team in a Soccer World Cup or in the Olympics?
> Specially when it's definitely not an independent
> nation as Duckburg is definitely a part of Calisota
> which we have learned is a 51st state in the USA.
The latest issue of the Greek "MIKY MAOUS" has several pages on
the history of the world cup. According to those pages, one of the
participants in a past championship was Wales, which, I believe, has not
been an independent country for quite some time now, the last independent
Prince of Wales having died in 1282. Thus, there is precedent for part
of a country participating with a team of their own.
If I remember correctly, Duckburg has embassies and consulates in other
countries, which would seem to elevate it above the status of a mere town.
Perhaps they have some sort of semi-independence from the US, which,
loosely interpretted, gives them the right to send independent teams to
international sports events.
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"What's the plan?"
"What plan?"
"Ah, I asked first."
-----
> team in a Soccer World Cup or in the Olympics?
> Specially when it's definitely not an independent
> nation as Duckburg is definitely a part of Calisota
> which we have learned is a 51st state in the USA.
The latest issue of the Greek "MIKY MAOUS" has several pages on
the history of the world cup. According to those pages, one of the
participants in a past championship was Wales, which, I believe, has not
been an independent country for quite some time now, the last independent
Prince of Wales having died in 1282. Thus, there is precedent for part
of a country participating with a team of their own.
If I remember correctly, Duckburg has embassies and consulates in other
countries, which would seem to elevate it above the status of a mere town.
Perhaps they have some sort of semi-independence from the US, which,
loosely interpretted, gives them the right to send independent teams to
international sports events.
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"What's the plan?"
"What plan?"
"Ah, I asked first."
-----
Cwiljes
AW: Duckburg and the Soccer World Cup
Message 33 -
2002-06-03 at 16:36:11
> First how can a single city participate with it's own
> team in a Soccer World Cup or in the Olympics?
> Specially when it's definitely not an independent
> nation as Duckburg is definitely a part of Calisota
> which we have learned is a 51st state in the USA.
In my understanding you can compare the status of Duckburg in Calisota and
the USA with the Holy State (Vatican City) in Rome and Italy: It is a
separate state with all the according rights (government, taxes, army) but
shares various connections (currency, jurisdiction,...) with the country
around it. Here in Germany we have some cities (Hamburg, Bremen, Berlin)
which are their own states - just like NY in the U.S.. So Duckburg's status
may be something in beween "Vatican State" an "New York" - they are
independent enough to have their own embassys and olympic teams but still
belong to the country around it.
Cord
> team in a Soccer World Cup or in the Olympics?
> Specially when it's definitely not an independent
> nation as Duckburg is definitely a part of Calisota
> which we have learned is a 51st state in the USA.
In my understanding you can compare the status of Duckburg in Calisota and
the USA with the Holy State (Vatican City) in Rome and Italy: It is a
separate state with all the according rights (government, taxes, army) but
shares various connections (currency, jurisdiction,...) with the country
around it. Here in Germany we have some cities (Hamburg, Bremen, Berlin)
which are their own states - just like NY in the U.S.. So Duckburg's status
may be something in beween "Vatican State" an "New York" - they are
independent enough to have their own embassys and olympic teams but still
belong to the country around it.
Cord
H.W.Fluks
Spelling and grammar
Message 34 -
2002-06-03 at 17:31:39
Theresa:
> I like making up new
> words, as long as people understand me
[..]
> But I wish the dcml doesn't have to be a spelling and grammar
> competition.
Then let's be theresaic: simply ignore Stefan's remarks about spelling and
other nit-picking stuff.
--Harry.
"One moose, two meese!"
> I like making up new
> words, as long as people understand me
[..]
> But I wish the dcml doesn't have to be a spelling and grammar
> competition.
Then let's be theresaic: simply ignore Stefan's remarks about spelling and
other nit-picking stuff.
--Harry.
"One moose, two meese!"
H.W.Fluks
Dutch [rather OT]
Message 35 -
2002-06-03 at 17:43:57
Kriton:
> > on road signs: 10 kilometers from
> > Amsterdam, you find a sign telling the distance to "London"
>
> *Road* signs? To *London*? From *Amsterdam*?!?!?
Yep. London is only 550 km away from Amsterdam. (Or was it 650?)
Copenhagen is 750 km away, and this is also mentioned on a sign outside
Amsterdam. Very handy, because for me the distance to Copenhagen (Egmont
City) is an interesting fact. 8-)
Klaus:
> > Germans, Deutsch, Allemand, Tedeschi.
>
> latinized word "theodiscus"
Ah, I forgot about that.
> Niemzij, Saksalaiset
Probably the Germans have the highest number of *totally* different names
used by other peoples...
Alle / Barry:
> "In Dutch"
> This phrase basically means "I am in trouble" with Uncle Amos.
> There are many such phrases in the English language and they
> are common to Americans, but always confusing to Second
> language learners.
I think the origin is in the 16th and 17th century, when England was in war
with the Netherlands all the time. Obviously, the English had a lot of
negative associations with the Dutch people.
--Harry.
> > on road signs: 10 kilometers from
> > Amsterdam, you find a sign telling the distance to "London"
>
> *Road* signs? To *London*? From *Amsterdam*?!?!?
Yep. London is only 550 km away from Amsterdam. (Or was it 650?)
Copenhagen is 750 km away, and this is also mentioned on a sign outside
Amsterdam. Very handy, because for me the distance to Copenhagen (Egmont
City) is an interesting fact. 8-)
Klaus:
> > Germans, Deutsch, Allemand, Tedeschi.
>
> latinized word "theodiscus"
Ah, I forgot about that.
> Niemzij, Saksalaiset
Probably the Germans have the highest number of *totally* different names
used by other peoples...
Alle / Barry:
> "In Dutch"
> This phrase basically means "I am in trouble" with Uncle Amos.
> There are many such phrases in the English language and they
> are common to Americans, but always confusing to Second
> language learners.
I think the origin is in the 16th and 17th century, when England was in war
with the Netherlands all the time. Obviously, the English had a lot of
negative associations with the Dutch people.
--Harry.
H.W.Fluks
Spin and Marty
Message 36 -
2002-06-03 at 18:00:58
Darrin Michaels:
> what I am looking for is a comprehensive list of all
> the comics published worldwide that contain the characters
> Spin and Marty.
> (I know of the 12 issues in the USA, but I am stumped
> worldwide).
There are some technical problems with our Inducks search programs (because
we have a &-character in "Spin & Marty"). Therefore, a simple list of all
stories featuring "Spin & Marty" is a bit difficult.
A list of SM 5 to 9 can be found here:
http://coa.duckburg.dk/inducks/files/us/us-SM.html
But this only lists the series called "Spin & Marty". For the OS issues
(714, 767, 808, 826, 1026, and 1082), the index is part of:
http://coa.duckburg.dk/inducks/files/us/us-OS__564.html
and
http://coa.duckburg.dk/inducks/files/us/us-OS__973.html
If downloading these (big) files is a problem for you, I can send you the
relevant parts in private mail.
--Harry.
> what I am looking for is a comprehensive list of all
> the comics published worldwide that contain the characters
> Spin and Marty.
> (I know of the 12 issues in the USA, but I am stumped
> worldwide).
There are some technical problems with our Inducks search programs (because
we have a &-character in "Spin & Marty"). Therefore, a simple list of all
stories featuring "Spin & Marty" is a bit difficult.
A list of SM 5 to 9 can be found here:
http://coa.duckburg.dk/inducks/files/us/us-SM.html
But this only lists the series called "Spin & Marty". For the OS issues
(714, 767, 808, 826, 1026, and 1082), the index is part of:
http://coa.duckburg.dk/inducks/files/us/us-OS__564.html
and
http://coa.duckburg.dk/inducks/files/us/us-OS__973.html
If downloading these (big) files is a problem for you, I can send you the
relevant parts in private mail.
--Harry.
H.W.Fluks
Websites?
Message 37 -
2002-06-03 at 18:07:28
Steven:
> lost some of my website addresses, including INDucks...
> can somebody post them?
Our new address is: inducks.org
This links to our new COA search machine: coa.duckburg.dk (which in turn
links to the English version of that site).
> in particular I am looking to see where "Silver Don" a story by
> Mark Shaw = which he based on the writings of Manly Wade
> Wellman= appeared
This is D 98146, published in Denmark (Jumbobog 231), Germany (LTB 273),
Finland (Aku Ankan Taskukirja 245), and probably in other countries that
publish the Egmont pocket books.
--Harry.
> lost some of my website addresses, including INDucks...
> can somebody post them?
Our new address is: inducks.org
This links to our new COA search machine: coa.duckburg.dk (which in turn
links to the English version of that site).
> in particular I am looking to see where "Silver Don" a story by
> Mark Shaw = which he based on the writings of Manly Wade
> Wellman= appeared
This is D 98146, published in Denmark (Jumbobog 231), Germany (LTB 273),
Finland (Aku Ankan Taskukirja 245), and probably in other countries that
publish the Egmont pocket books.
--Harry.
H.W.Fluks
Donald Duck Fun Library
Message 38 -
2002-06-03 at 18:14:03
Vic:
> I just picked up a couple of issues of DONALD DUCK FUN
> LIBRARY, a digest sized comic book reprinting
> Italian(?) duck and mouse strips from the seventies. I
> was pleased to get a chance to read some European
> strips in English (a rare opportunity). Does anybody
> know how many issues this ran for?
All we know is that issues upto #23 exist. See:
http://coa.duckburg.dk/coa/c1/magazine.php/0/uk/DDFL
You're welcome to give us the contents of your issues for our Inducks
database!
> One of them features a very good weird Uncle Scrooge
> strip called "MacWatchit's Will" with the number
> I-1055-A. Does anyone have any information about this
> story? Also an unusual Mickey Mouse story called "The
> Ice Cream Parlour" is odd and interesting. Reference
> number is S-74025.
You can get information about these stories by typing their story codes
(without '-' characters) in:
http://coa.duckburg.dk/coa/c1/search.php
(This leads you for instance to:
http://coa.duckburg.dk/coa/c1/story.php/0/I+TL+1055-A//_)
--Harry.
> I just picked up a couple of issues of DONALD DUCK FUN
> LIBRARY, a digest sized comic book reprinting
> Italian(?) duck and mouse strips from the seventies. I
> was pleased to get a chance to read some European
> strips in English (a rare opportunity). Does anybody
> know how many issues this ran for?
All we know is that issues upto #23 exist. See:
http://coa.duckburg.dk/coa/c1/magazine.php/0/uk/DDFL
You're welcome to give us the contents of your issues for our Inducks
database!
> One of them features a very good weird Uncle Scrooge
> strip called "MacWatchit's Will" with the number
> I-1055-A. Does anyone have any information about this
> story? Also an unusual Mickey Mouse story called "The
> Ice Cream Parlour" is odd and interesting. Reference
> number is S-74025.
You can get information about these stories by typing their story codes
(without '-' characters) in:
http://coa.duckburg.dk/coa/c1/search.php
(This leads you for instance to:
http://coa.duckburg.dk/coa/c1/story.php/0/I+TL+1055-A//_)
--Harry.
Willot François
Donald Duck Fun Library
Message 39 -
2002-06-03 at 18:52:00
>From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com
>You can get information about these stories by typing their story codes
>(without '-' characters) in:
>http://coa.duckburg.dk/coa/c1/search.php
I just tested it with 'I-1055-A' (as Vic and I suppose the publisher
wrote it). It's also understood, and the correct story is returned.
>Our new address is: inducks.org
> This links to our new COA search machine: coa.duckburg.dk (which in turn
> links to the English version of that site).
The main page should redirect to the English one,
and it does now.
>You can get information about these stories by typing their story codes
>(without '-' characters) in:
>http://coa.duckburg.dk/coa/c1/search.php
I just tested it with 'I-1055-A' (as Vic and I suppose the publisher
wrote it). It's also understood, and the correct story is returned.
>Our new address is: inducks.org
> This links to our new COA search machine: coa.duckburg.dk (which in turn
> links to the English version of that site).
The main page should redirect to the English one,
and it does now.
Willot François
Spin and Marty
Message 40 -
2002-06-03 at 19:09:50
>From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com
>
>There are some technical problems with our Inducks search programs
>(because we have a &-character in "Spin & Marty"). Therefore, a
> simple list of all stories featuring "Spin & Marty" is a bit difficult.
As far as I understand, the problem is not the "&" but the fact that
Spin and Marty is listed as a title hero (like Daisy's Diary,
Grandma's Farm Friends etc.) and not a real character in Inducks.
If you go to "Advanced search" and fill in "hero", it'll work.
(If I make characters recognize title-heroes, "Daisy Duck's Diary" will be
listed as a possibility for 'Daisy' which may be a bit confusing.)
>
>There are some technical problems with our Inducks search programs
>(because we have a &-character in "Spin & Marty"). Therefore, a
> simple list of all stories featuring "Spin & Marty" is a bit difficult.
As far as I understand, the problem is not the "&" but the fact that
Spin and Marty is listed as a title hero (like Daisy's Diary,
Grandma's Farm Friends etc.) and not a real character in Inducks.
If you go to "Advanced search" and fill in "hero", it'll work.
(If I make characters recognize title-heroes, "Daisy Duck's Diary" will be
listed as a possibility for 'Daisy' which may be a bit confusing.)
Willot François
Spin and Marty
Message 41 -
2002-06-03 at 20:00:34
I understand. It's a bit tricky.
The page you refer to is:
(1) http://coa.duckburg.dk/coa/c1/character.php/0/Spin+&+Marty
The index for "Spin & Marty"
(2) http://coa.duckburg.dk/coa/c1/character.php/0/Spin+&+Marty,
linked from 1,
is empty because S&M do not appear as character (anywhere) but in the
title-hero field.
It's a bit difficult to go to (1). The search won't link to it, nor
the index of characters. Only a story or issue with "Spin & Marty"
will. (Is that what you did?).
I'll change the link (2) on (1) to:
http://coa.duckburg.dk/coa/c1/comp2.php?default_o=1&hero=Spin+&+Marty
which hopefully works.
----------
No, my problem was that I *did* manage to get to a page for "Spin &
Marty",
but when I try to follow a link to a real index page, that page is
empty.
I can't give URLs now, because duckburg.dk seems to be down.
--Harry.
------------
The page you refer to is:
(1) http://coa.duckburg.dk/coa/c1/character.php/0/Spin+&+Marty
The index for "Spin & Marty"
(2) http://coa.duckburg.dk/coa/c1/character.php/0/Spin+&+Marty,
linked from 1,
is empty because S&M do not appear as character (anywhere) but in the
title-hero field.
It's a bit difficult to go to (1). The search won't link to it, nor
the index of characters. Only a story or issue with "Spin & Marty"
will. (Is that what you did?).
I'll change the link (2) on (1) to:
http://coa.duckburg.dk/coa/c1/comp2.php?default_o=1&hero=Spin+&+Marty
which hopefully works.
----------
No, my problem was that I *did* manage to get to a page for "Spin &
Marty",
but when I try to follow a link to a real index page, that page is
empty.
I can't give URLs now, because duckburg.dk seems to be down.
--Harry.
------------
Goofy313g
Zapotec and Marlin, Eacks and Doublex..
Message 42 -
2002-06-03 at 20:05:50
Hi!
Why are Zapotec and Marlin listed in the Duck universe in P?r Starback's
page?
They belong to the Mice universe!!!
(I guess it is because they have been listed in the "italian characters"
section, which is a subsection of the Duck universe....)
Could anybody send me scans of the first story of Eacks, Doublex and Triplex
by Gottfredson?
thanx!
Gilles
Why are Zapotec and Marlin listed in the Duck universe in P?r Starback's
page?
They belong to the Mice universe!!!
(I guess it is because they have been listed in the "italian characters"
section, which is a subsection of the Duck universe....)
Could anybody send me scans of the first story of Eacks, Doublex and Triplex
by Gottfredson?
thanx!
Gilles
Don Markstein
Bucky Bug
Message 43 -
2002-06-03 at 20:17:38
"Bugs in Love" was not a strip title as far as I know. That was the
title of the Silly Symphony which contained a Bucky-like bug character.
The Silly Symphony comic strip actually appeared months BEFORE the
cartoon. See http://www.toonopedia.com/bucky.htm
Quack, Don
At Saturday, 1 June 2002, you wrote:
>Could anyone find a sample newspaper comic strip from the
>Disney Comics "Bugs in Love" from the early 1930's. I understand
that the
>cartoon was created in 1932 and the character first appeared in
the story "Bucky
>Makes His Name".? Please help.
>
>
http://www.toonopedia.com/today.htm
Today in Toons: Every day's an anniversary
title of the Silly Symphony which contained a Bucky-like bug character.
The Silly Symphony comic strip actually appeared months BEFORE the
cartoon. See http://www.toonopedia.com/bucky.htm
Quack, Don
At Saturday, 1 June 2002, you wrote:
>Could anyone find a sample newspaper comic strip from the
>Disney Comics "Bugs in Love" from the early 1930's. I understand
that the
>cartoon was created in 1932 and the character first appeared in
the story "Bucky
>Makes His Name".? Please help.
>
>
http://www.toonopedia.com/today.htm
Today in Toons: Every day's an anniversary
Don Markstein
Recent Egmont Mickey story
Message 44 -
2002-06-03 at 20:20:02
While I'm writing (just sent off a note about Bucky Bug) I ought
to mention a minor glitch in a recent story of mine, Mickey Mouse
in "Monkey Business", which Egmont published in its May 16 issue.
(If you don't know the English title, it's the one where Mickey
has to chase a monkey through the exhibit hall of a practical jokers'
convention.)
One of the gags in my script had to do with what I called a "Catapult
Land Mine", where Mickey steps on a flat object, triggering a spring
far, much larger than could possibly fit inside, which catapults
him far, far away. I described it as round and flat, not like a pizza
pan, exactly, but kind of oblong, like a turkey platter.
And the artist (Xavi) did indeed draw it looking like a turkey platter
-- WITH A TURKEY ON IT!
Amazingly enough, none of the professional editors and proofreaders
who saw it before me thought there was anything odd or unusual about
Mickey not noticing he was about to step on an entire roast turkey.
And by the time I saw it, it was too late to make any changes in
the art. It was covered in dialog by making it a "Catapult Turkey
Dinner" -- which is kind of funny, in a dadaesque sort of way, but
might still have puzzled one or two people.
Good thing I didn't say it looked like a toilet seat, eh?
Quack, Don
http://www.toonopedia.com/today.htm
Today in Toons: Every day's an anniversary
to mention a minor glitch in a recent story of mine, Mickey Mouse
in "Monkey Business", which Egmont published in its May 16 issue.
(If you don't know the English title, it's the one where Mickey
has to chase a monkey through the exhibit hall of a practical jokers'
convention.)
One of the gags in my script had to do with what I called a "Catapult
Land Mine", where Mickey steps on a flat object, triggering a spring
far, much larger than could possibly fit inside, which catapults
him far, far away. I described it as round and flat, not like a pizza
pan, exactly, but kind of oblong, like a turkey platter.
And the artist (Xavi) did indeed draw it looking like a turkey platter
-- WITH A TURKEY ON IT!
Amazingly enough, none of the professional editors and proofreaders
who saw it before me thought there was anything odd or unusual about
Mickey not noticing he was about to step on an entire roast turkey.
And by the time I saw it, it was too late to make any changes in
the art. It was covered in dialog by making it a "Catapult Turkey
Dinner" -- which is kind of funny, in a dadaesque sort of way, but
might still have puzzled one or two people.
Good thing I didn't say it looked like a toilet seat, eh?
Quack, Don
http://www.toonopedia.com/today.htm
Today in Toons: Every day's an anniversary
H.W.Fluks
Roma & Haarlem
Message 45 -
2002-06-03 at 20:36:08
Last week I visited Rome (Italy), and in the weekend there was the Dutch
comic convention in Haarlem.
Here is a short report of some (maybe) interesting things.
In Italy, I bought the newest Topolino, because of the funny cover (Donald
and Fethry watching a football match sitting between Japanese or Koreans).
Not very politically correct maybe, but very funny.
The opening story is about the world championship too. It's drawn by
Cavazzano. Looks quite good, but I can't read Italian...
I also bought the newest Zio Paperone, and the book "Barks Friends" (yes,
that's its Italian title). The latter contains all "Barks tribute" stories,
made by Egmont for Barks' 100th birthday. In Italy, the book celebrates
Barks' "100+1th" birthday...
The book has a nice cover by Marco Rota. And text pieces by Luca and
Alberto.
BTW, Dan Shane: in this Italian reprint of your money bin blueprints, they
are black on blue (or dark blue on light blue).
The Haarlem convention was 2 days: Saturday and Sunday. I went there on
Saturday, but I came back on Sunday because I missed half of the stands...
(They were hidden in a back street.)
Some Dutch news (i.e. news from the Netherlands 8-) :
Pocket book #89 will be a reprint of Pocket book #1 (1st series). Finally
we'll get a full-colour version of these nice Italian stories (Carpi,
Bottaro).
Next month's Donald Duck Extra will contain Jack Bradbury's "The Flying
Horse". They will print more Bradbury stories in DD Extra. And Strobl. And
Super Goof. And... Scarpa (whee!)
Hans Kresse drew 38 Zorro stories in the 1960s. Next year these stories will
be reprinted in luxurious albums. I'm trying to get an index of the stories,
for Inducks.
BTW, Kresse also made two Spin & Marty stories.
In a few weeks, there will be an official opening of the Donald Duck
(weekly) exhibition in the "TV Toys" museum in Dieren. I'll try to make a
poster for that exhibition, advertising the DCML and Inducks.
That's it for now,
--Harry.
comic convention in Haarlem.
Here is a short report of some (maybe) interesting things.
In Italy, I bought the newest Topolino, because of the funny cover (Donald
and Fethry watching a football match sitting between Japanese or Koreans).
Not very politically correct maybe, but very funny.
The opening story is about the world championship too. It's drawn by
Cavazzano. Looks quite good, but I can't read Italian...
I also bought the newest Zio Paperone, and the book "Barks Friends" (yes,
that's its Italian title). The latter contains all "Barks tribute" stories,
made by Egmont for Barks' 100th birthday. In Italy, the book celebrates
Barks' "100+1th" birthday...
The book has a nice cover by Marco Rota. And text pieces by Luca and
Alberto.
BTW, Dan Shane: in this Italian reprint of your money bin blueprints, they
are black on blue (or dark blue on light blue).
The Haarlem convention was 2 days: Saturday and Sunday. I went there on
Saturday, but I came back on Sunday because I missed half of the stands...
(They were hidden in a back street.)
Some Dutch news (i.e. news from the Netherlands 8-) :
Pocket book #89 will be a reprint of Pocket book #1 (1st series). Finally
we'll get a full-colour version of these nice Italian stories (Carpi,
Bottaro).
Next month's Donald Duck Extra will contain Jack Bradbury's "The Flying
Horse". They will print more Bradbury stories in DD Extra. And Strobl. And
Super Goof. And... Scarpa (whee!)
Hans Kresse drew 38 Zorro stories in the 1960s. Next year these stories will
be reprinted in luxurious albums. I'm trying to get an index of the stories,
for Inducks.
BTW, Kresse also made two Spin & Marty stories.
In a few weeks, there will be an official opening of the Donald Duck
(weekly) exhibition in the "TV Toys" museum in Dieren. I'll try to make a
poster for that exhibition, advertising the DCML and Inducks.
That's it for now,
--Harry.