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Hi Kriton.

> If they are successful, they will have a lot of trouble patenting their
> process, given that a similar process has been described elsewhere,
> before! (Wasn't this the case when someone was refused a patent for
> his process for raising ships out of the sea bottom, because it was too
> similar to Barks' suggestion of stuffing a ship with ping pong balls?

Yes, you're right.
I've got a school-book about physics where this is described.
In November 1965 the freight ship "Al Kuweit" sank in the harbour of Kuweit.
Several firms wanted to raise the ship, but the Dane Karl Kroyer had
the best idea. He wanted to use small balls of styropor to raise the
ship. Finally his suggestion was accepted and it really worked (it
took six weeks).
But when he wanted to get the patent they refused to accept it because
they said it wasn't his idea but that of "the author of that Donald
Duck story".
So if Barks would have known of this (has he?) he possibly would have
been able to get the patent for this method to raise sunken ships.

Arne.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr." <sigvald4 at yahoo.no>
To: "DCML" <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 11:52 PM
Subject: Story codes on Don Rosa's stories

> I have now added a new section about the story codes
> on Don Rosa's stories to my D.U.C.K.man pages.
> http://duckman.pettho.com/codes.html
>
> Please tell me if there is any errors here.

Some wrong facts:

"Gutenberghus artists from the beginning was Vicar (ducks) and Jos? Tello
Gonzales (mice)." -- This is wrong. When Gutenberghus began their Disney
comic production, their only artist was, AFAIK, Niels Rydahl, who mostly
drew Duck stories. Many of those were remakes of other publishers' stories.

"In the 80s, a lot of artists joined them, like Daniel Branca and Caesar
Ferioli. Some people previously working for other countries did so too, like
Marco Rota, Don Rosa and William Van Horn. Gutenberghus is called Egmont
since 1992." -- C?sar Ferioli is one of those who used to work for other
publishers: he worked for the French, Dutch, and Italian publishers (through
some studio, I think).

"The Disney codes start with a K (a very few stories in 1991 started with
J)." -- No, but the "K" is often missing from the printed codes. So if
Inducks says "KJD 093", the printed code is usually "JD 093-1". I don't know
what "-1" means, but it's never included in the Inducks code.

"Disney Comics also was the first (?) to give the covers a code." --
Gutenberghus already did this decades before.

"[...] Don Rosa's 'Back in Time for a Dime!'. This story doesn't have an
official code, however." -- Are we sure that this story, and the G TEM one
as well, don't have any official S codes? The S codes aren't that commonly
written on the comics, so...

> And by the way, do I.N.D.U.C.K.S. still have page
> describing all story codes on Disney stories?

Yes: http://home.planet.nl/~fluks4/bolderbast/xproduct.html

Or if you meant an index over all stories:
http://coa.duckburg.dk/inducks/files/_stories/

Stefan

Sigvald:

> Allright, allright. My point is that DD&Co should have
> written:
> Manus: Gary Leach
> Tegninger: Don Rosa
>
> But insteas thy wrote:
> Manus og tegninger: Don Rosa
>
> Thus they didn't mention Gary Leach the way they
> should have done.

I appreciate you making this point on my behalf, and setting the record
straight. I wasn't aware of this slip before, and it is irksome to be
uncredited in such instances. Still, such slipups are usually unintended, a
moment of inattention in an editorial/production staffer's extremely busy
day. (I can relate to this sort of thing, believe me.)

Gary

Regarding the "inaccuracy of Paul Halas' having Romans eating spaghetti and
pizza:

Give the guy a break!!! This is a "COMIC" book!! I'm not the biggest fan of
Paul Halas' stories - but I give him enough credit to realise that he will not
lead the little kiddies astray by "teaching them false history"! I would bet
my farm (if I had one) that he was making a joke there. Have Goscinny and
Uderzzo been completely historically accurate all the time (to the detriment of
their humour?)??? Were Halas' and Miguel's "Romans" actual HUMANS??? Perhaps
in their universe (which includes Duckburg or Andeby)the "Romans"(animal
people) DID eat 20th Century style spaghetti and pizza. Who could refute that -
as THEY define that universe!!! Are we not teaching poor or misleading
history by telling the kiddies that the Romans were actually "animal people"???

But, he may not have been SOOO-OOO-OOO inaccurate. I remember reading that the
popular notion that Marco Polo first introduced noodles (pasta) into Italy
after his return from China, was a fallacy. Italy had known the wheat and
barley noodles for at least several hundred years before 1300. Sorry, but I
cannot remember the source of that information. It stands to reason, however,
as the slavs had a tradition of wheat noodles for several hundred years, and
they had been eaten in Central Asia, Anatolia, and I believe, the Caucasus
region. Some populations from these areas were among the multi-national
contingents of the Huns, Goths, Bulgars, Magyars, Avars, Cumans, and other
Invaders. they were likely to have brought knowledge of such food forms inside
the boundaries of the Roman Empire long before 1300. Whether or not the Huns or
Goths brought them in during late Roman times is moot. The Greek probably were
eposed to such food from their trading partners in Cherson (Crimea) in
classical Greek times. And the Romans probably were exposed to it from the
Greeks, or the Dacians (both their own subject peoples). With all the wheat
growing areas in North Africa, Dacia, Bulgaria, Anatolia and the area north of
the Crimea supplying Rome with wheat grain, and with the Roman fondness for
vegetable and fish broth and sauces, I find it hard to imagine that they did
not eat some form of noodles. The form of such noodles may well have been
shorter and fatter than today's popular spaghetti. In addition, they probably
did not eat "Pizza" as most of us know it in its American form (smothered with
cheese and tomato sauce. But, I believe they must have had breadcrust pies
topped with vegetables in a sauce (olive oil or fish based). They may even
have had a very thin crust style, similar to "Pizza Marinara"; and possibly a
thick style, such as "Pizza Niceoise". Of course, the tomato was unknown to
the Romans (as it was native to the Western Hemisphere).

Regarding thr 9-page teleportation story from Carl Barks in 1961:

Carl Barks told me himself that a few of the WDC&S 9-pagers had been drawn by
him as 10-pagers, and subsequently cut to 9 pages by the editors, without
consulting him. This was done late in the process, because of the new "Dell
Trading Post" adverts. He said that he produced a few 9-page stories on his
own to avoid having them cut poorly, ruining the quality of the stories. He
did not tell me which story started the request by Western for him to produce 9-
pagers. I remember reading something similar in Mike Barrier's book and "The
Carl Barks Library" regarding this matter.

Sorry for being so windy on an off-topic matter, but it is a very interesting
question. - Hail Caesar! - Rob
Klein

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OLAF:

> Are you sure about this? According to that article (I finally found it on
> the Internet), the scientists were from _Canberra_.

Can you post the URL? Doing a bit of search I found the following
reference to "quantum teleportation":

http://www.users.totalise.co.uk/~idmon/telport.htm

According to this link, the scientists are Austrian. There are lots
of references to captain Kirk, though from what little I managed to
understand, it won't be possible to build Star Trek transporters using
this technique.

Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
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ME:

> According to this link, the scientists are Austrian.

And then I stumbled upon
http://cbc.ca/cgi-bin/templates/view.cgi?category=Sci-Tech&story=/news/2002/06/17/teleport020617

Which talks about a group of *Australian* scientists, who announced on
Monday that they had managed to teleport a beam of light. There is a
reference to previous work by "two European Groups", who I guess were
the Austrians in the previous article that I mentioned. I guess both
Austrians and Australians can be proud of their scientists!

According to this group's head researcher, teleporting a human will be
difficult, which suggests that he does not believe it to be impossible!

Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
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According to "The Carl Barks Library" (Volume X, p219) WDC 249 June
1961 "Stranger Than Fiction" was edited down from 10 to 9 pages by Western
Publishing. Number 247, "Madcap Mariner" was the first edited down for the
Dell Trading Post. None of the succeeding WDC 10-pagers were cut. Apparently,
Barks' personal page cutting for Dell Trading Post was done only with Uncle
Scrooge. As to what happened to the missing panels: - No doubt they stayed
with Western, and were thrown away during one of their purges of old artwork.
Had they been rescued (as some Barks cut art has been), they might well have
surfaced by now. Rob
Klein

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