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Hi all!
I once asked Don Rosa about the size of Duckburg. He then answered that "Duckburg is a medium sized city. It's not a village, nor is it a metropolis". Then some of my Scandinavian Donaldist-friends concluded that by US-standards (as they assumed Don Rosa was referring to) a medium sized city would be about the size of Stavanger or Trondheim in Norway. Based on this, the number of inhabitants in Duckburg was estimated to somewhere in between 100.000 and 150.000.
However, today my friend Erik Hørthe told me that in DD&Co #27/1967 there is a story where the number of inhabitants in Duckburg reaches 10.000 which he believes to be a more correct estimation of Duckburg's population.
So what is correct?
Sigvald :-)

>I got the bok "Carl Barks Julespesial" by the post today. The content of
>that book is:

Is this identical to Finnish Barks collection (Hyvä ankka joulun tuopi)
which was also just published?
How is the printing quality with this book? Is it as bad as in Finnish book?

>CP 2: "You can't guess" (1950)
>CP 8: "Grandma's present" (1956)
>CP 9: "Christmas in Duckburg" (1958)
>CP 26: "The Christmas Cha-Cha" (1959)
>FC 178: "Christmas on Bear Mountain" (1947)
>FGA 1945: "Donald's best Christmas" (1945)
>FGA 1946: "Santa's stormy Visit" (1946)
>FGA 1947: "Three good little Ducks" (1947)
>FGA 1948: "Donald in Toyland" (1948)
>FGA 1949: "New Toys" (1949)
>WDC 220 A: "Weemite" (1959)
>WDC 268 A: "Christmas Cheers" (1963)

Timo

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sigvald at duckburg.dk skrev:
>
> WDC 220 A: "Weemite" (1959)

I have just checked, and this story is called
"Rocket-Roasted Christmas Turkey" in COA,
IMO a much better tittle than the strange
tittle "Weemite" which is used in the Norwegian
Carl Barks Indeks 1995.

Sigvald :-)

>>Is this identical to Finnish Barks collection
>Almost, but not quite.

Are the stories in same order?

>Huh, is it bad?

Yes. Pretty sadly it's quite bad. Finnish editors were not satisfied with
the book's printing either. I don't have the book yet, but I've browsed it
through at bookstore. Black lines in drawings are not sharp and crisp as
they should be. Black film doesn't look right. Line art is rasterized just
like colors. That happens when you do coloring with PhotoShop and it makes
it look murky. That is why I asked this - I wanted to know if they have used
same films for printing as here in Finland.

Timo

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Greetings everyone!
I wonder why Barks' great 1949 Christmas Parade story "A Letter To Santa" was
left out of that great Christmas Book? There was also Barks' late Uncle
Scrooge Christmas story from 1964 with the gifts for the Duchess of Duckshire
fore the "Twelve Days of Christmas". I can understand that that story was late
in Barks' career, and not one of his best, but why was the 1949 classic story
left out?

Regarding the population of Duckburg. As a master of city Planning, a
geographer, and mapper of Duckburg and Calisota, I have some thoughts on the
problems of pinning down a population (even one that changed over time during
the Duck's lives). As Carl told me several times, he never had a specific sized
city in mind. He made it big and small, an intensley urban large city and semi-
rural, almost village-like in various stories, as needed. He placed it on the
seacoast with a large harbour when needed, or placed it surrounded by farmland,
when needed. It was often large and important (enough to have its own
consulate) with a large seaport, riverport and railroad/transportation hub (as
in The Magic Hourglass), it had an International Airport, large city centre
with many tall skyscrapers, military bases, sent its own team (or at least
national contingent) to the Olympics. For the purist Barksists, it is very
difficult to erase these elements of large size, just because they are missing
in other stories. It is EASIER and MORE LOGICAL, to assume that they did
exist, and that when not seen in other stories, they exist in other parts of
the City that are not shown in that particular story. Therefore, I subscribe
to Don Rosa's idea that Duckburg is of the size of a middle-sized U.S.A. city.
However, I would put THAT size at 250.000 to 350.000 rather than the size of
Trondheim or Stavanger. I realise that that size is much bigger than many of
the Barks stories would indicate by story tone and "feel". But we can't erase
those Barks panels and references. A "City" of 100.000 in U.S.A. is NOT a
middle sized "City". That is the size of a large "bedroom suburb" of the big
cities there. Glendale and Pasadena, California, Pasadena and Arlington,
Texas, and other bedroom suburbs of Chicago, Detroit, Toronto and other large
North American cities have as large, or larger populations than that, and are
made up mostly of peoples' residences. They don't have all the commercial and
industrial facilities that Duckburg has, which imply many more jobs; in turn,
implying a much larger population.

Many of us think about many of the Duckburgers knowing each other. That gives
it a small-townish feel.
If you wonder how the small-townish feel of
the Duckburg of many of Barks' stories could take place in such a big city,
think no further than Milwaukee Wisconsin, USA. It has a City population of
about 800.000. Yet, if any of you would have lived there for a while, you
would agree that it has a "small town atmosphere and feel". I believe that is
also true of my home town of several years, Den Haag, netherlands. It is much
larger than the population range I am proposing; yet it has a "small town feel"
to me. I would say Duckburg would be more the size and feel of Oslo, than
Stavanger. Any of you who have been to Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, would know
you can have a small town feeling at 250.000-350.000. When I lived in
Copenhagen, Danmark, I felt that small-town feeling. Even when I was first
there, and only knew about 20 people there, I kept seeing people I knew by
accident. Through the years I continued to meet people who knew people that I
knew. And, it was NOT because these people were all connected with people with
whom I worked at Egmont, NOR from my comic-book collecting hobby. I met people
who knew people I knew from family (my sister is married to a Dane), through my
stays at the dormitories at U. of Copenhagen, etc. Copenhagen has of
population of near 1 Million (not so?). Yet, to me, it has a small-townish
feel. I have lived in Los Angeles, USA for parts of 18 years, but have NEVER
seen anyone on the streets whom I knew (unless we planned to meet eachother at
a precise place and time). I think I've only met someone who knew anyone I knew
one or two times. So that Metropolis DOES NOT have the small-town feel that
Duckburg has.

For other evidence of Duckburg's necessary large population: Don't forget that
Duckburg was also ahead in technology (space programs), and
also the seat of the Duck County and Calisota State Governments. It also has
the World-Wide headquarters/Economic Empire of the richest man in the World, as
well as reasonable-sized facilities of a few of his rivals (Flintheart
Glomgold), and lots of industry. These facilities and organisations imply lots
of jobs. Where do all the people live? Barks mentions no large suburbs of
Duckburg. There are a few nearby towns, but most are separated from Duckburg
by areas of farmland. Some people could commute from Hentown, Catville,
Pumpkinburg, Pickleburg, Skeetertown, Cattail Slough, but that should only be a
small trickle of workers, compared to all that are needed. Many could come from
nearby rival middle-sized city, Goosetown. But, as that city, at a similar
size, should also attract 1/2 to 2/3 as much, away from Duckburg to its
industries. I place it as less of a draw, as Duckburg contains the
Governments. So you see, a large portion of the many thousands of workers
needed would have to come from Duckburg city, itself. Tuleburg and Tuleville
would be too far away to provide commuting workers.

I'll be interested to hear what others of you think. Rob Klein

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Hey, Vic!

>"you plonker, Rodney" to screams of mirth.

BWAHHHHAHAHAHAHAH

Like that ? :-) I know the feeling... been following
"Only Fools And Horses" on croatian TV last year and
loved it, although enthusiasm faded a bit as situations
got a tad repetitive. I loved the theme songs, too.

They're currently doing "Allo' Allo'", btw

BWAHHHHAHA

(Nice, but it's not half as good as "Only Fools" :-)

Cheers

Eta Beta

(hoping the Croatians would soon realize it's about time for
a Monty Python reprise... :-)

News from my local comic-shop here in Milan: two new magazines/essays have
been published in october.
a) In English: Comic Book Marketplace #95, oct 2002, $5.95 (in Italy 8.60
euro) featuring an interesting article by A. Becattini: "A Concise History
of Disney Newspaper Strips", 20 pages filled with many illustrations about
"Mickey Mouse", "Silly Symphonies", "Donald Duck" , "Uncle Remus and his
Tales of Brer Rabbit", "Merry Menagerie", "Disney's Treasury of Classic
Tales", "Scamp", "Christmas Stories" and "Winnie Pooh" strips. Nothing
really new, but quite enjoyable. The magazine has been published in two
versions with two different covers: one with Barks' cover of WDCS #108
(Donald and nephews sailing) and the other with Kelly's cover of WDCS #45
(Donald, Doc and Dopey). Both covers (amazing) have nothing to do with
magazine's contents. There is also another article related to Disney, about
Grahame's "Toad", but it is mainly focused on different artistic renditions
by different illustrators (Rackham, Shepard and - more recently - Plessix).
Again, some beautiful images.

b) In Italian and English: an essay on Paul Murry "PM: Mice, Ducks and
Cheesecake" published in Italy by "Glamour Associated" - serie "Profili" -
in oct 2002 (price: 8 euro); edited by A. Becattini (again! always this
chap!) and Antonio Vianovi. 50 pages with a biography of Paul Murry (10
pages) and an extensive appendix (9 pages) with his productions, including
animation, comic books, pinups, cartoons for "digest-sized humour magazines"
, daily strips (the serie "Buck O'Rue", not Disney). The remaining of the
book is filled with illustrations and there is a colour section with a
selection from PM's "Buck O'Rue" sundays. Then not only Disney, but a more
complete view of this author. Really interesting.

bye!