"Vic Pratt" wrote:
> Thus it is quite clear that Von Drake, as well as
> being a genius of Mathmagic land, could have been a
> bloke from down the road, or doing a novelty act on
> the side to make a few extra bucks.
Hmmm, you seem to neclect the fact that Ludwig is not
only mentioned as "uncle", but as "DONALD'S UNCLE".
Sigvald :-)
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Sigvald
Uncle Ludwig
Message 196 -
2002-11-13 at 12:04:52
SRoweCanoe
Inserts in other countries ?
Message 197 -
2002-11-13 at 12:41:06
In a message dated 11/13/2002 4:32:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Ola.Martinsson at uab.ericsson.se writes:
> I have never seen any inserts in the about a hundred US disney comics
> that I have from 1980 and earlier or seen it mentioned on a cover scan.
>
I dont think there have been ANY US comics - disney or otherwise - with
inserts like that -- well other than MAD magazine.....
steven rowe
Ola.Martinsson at uab.ericsson.se writes:
> I have never seen any inserts in the about a hundred US disney comics
> that I have from 1980 and earlier or seen it mentioned on a cover scan.
>
I dont think there have been ANY US comics - disney or otherwise - with
inserts like that -- well other than MAD magazine.....
steven rowe
Stefan Persson
Missing facts in Ludwig von Drake sites
Message 198 -
2002-11-13 at 13:18:20
>From: sigvald at duckburg.dk
>To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Subject: Re: Missing facts in Ludwig von Drake sites
>Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 23:46:14 +0100 (CET)
> > When/where/why did that (unimportant) fact happen?
>
>1) A marriage is *NOT* unimportant!
Notice the difference between "fact" and "matter."
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>To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Subject: Re: Missing facts in Ludwig von Drake sites
>Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 23:46:14 +0100 (CET)
> > When/where/why did that (unimportant) fact happen?
>
>1) A marriage is *NOT* unimportant!
Notice the difference between "fact" and "matter."
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Kai Saarto
Rosa Calendar 2003
Message 199 -
2002-11-13 at 13:19:07
Don Rosa's calendar for the year 2003 can be seen in "The New
Duckmaster"-pages. Direct link is:
http://www.perunamaa.net/donrosa/gallery_pictures.html
Rosa's text is in Finnish, sorry about that.
-Kai Saarto
http://www.perunamaa.net/donrosa
Duckmaster"-pages. Direct link is:
http://www.perunamaa.net/donrosa/gallery_pictures.html
Rosa's text is in Finnish, sorry about that.
-Kai Saarto
http://www.perunamaa.net/donrosa
Kai Saarto
Disney Italy and creators' dispute
Message 200 -
2002-11-13 at 13:55:39
timo ronkainen wrote:
>> From Anonima Fumetti news:
>
> "The Disney Italia refused to talk with the official representatives
> (SILF/SLC/CGIL) of the Italian creators of the Mickey Mouse and
> Donald Duck stories. The consequence is (if Disney does not change
> its mind) that the Italian Union SILF will sue Disney on behalf of
> all its members, maybe for years. The creators just asked to talk
> about their normal rights according to the Italian laws about
> creators' rights, as is usual in Europe. Info at
> www.fumetti.org/sindacato.
>
> Mercoled?, 13 Novembre 2002 - Copyright by afnews and the Poster."
>
> What might happen?
This is interesting. By "normal rights" they meant stuff like royalties
and rights to their originals? (I don't speak Italian).
All they can really do, if they are not paid any attention, is to go on
strike.
--
- Kai Saarto
http://www.perunamaa.net/donrosa
>> From Anonima Fumetti news:
>
> "The Disney Italia refused to talk with the official representatives
> (SILF/SLC/CGIL) of the Italian creators of the Mickey Mouse and
> Donald Duck stories. The consequence is (if Disney does not change
> its mind) that the Italian Union SILF will sue Disney on behalf of
> all its members, maybe for years. The creators just asked to talk
> about their normal rights according to the Italian laws about
> creators' rights, as is usual in Europe. Info at
> www.fumetti.org/sindacato.
>
> Mercoled?, 13 Novembre 2002 - Copyright by afnews and the Poster."
>
> What might happen?
This is interesting. By "normal rights" they meant stuff like royalties
and rights to their originals? (I don't speak Italian).
All they can really do, if they are not paid any attention, is to go on
strike.
--
- Kai Saarto
http://www.perunamaa.net/donrosa
Timo Ronkainen
Disney Italy and creators' dispute
Message 201 -
2002-11-13 at 14:04:16
>This is interesting. By "normal rights" they meant stuff like royalties and
>rights to their originals?
I pressume so. Disney is only (AFAIK) comics publisher that doesn't allow
royalties to be paid for artists.
Timo
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>rights to their originals?
I pressume so. Disney is only (AFAIK) comics publisher that doesn't allow
royalties to be paid for artists.
Timo
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Ari Seppi
Inserts in other countries ?
Message 202 -
2002-11-13 at 14:19:33
Ola:
>Has there been any inserts in the Disney comics in other countries as
>well ?
The Finnish insert policy quite similar to the Dutch one Harry
mentioned. Toy inserts are very rare (there were miniature playing
cards some time ago, but as I said, they are very unusual - luckily).
Sometimes we do get surprises like an extra issue consisting of
Gonzales strips or time tables.
--
Ari Seppi (ari.seppi at iki.fi)
http://www.iki.fi/mani/
>Has there been any inserts in the Disney comics in other countries as
>well ?
The Finnish insert policy quite similar to the Dutch one Harry
mentioned. Toy inserts are very rare (there were miniature playing
cards some time ago, but as I said, they are very unusual - luckily).
Sometimes we do get surprises like an extra issue consisting of
Gonzales strips or time tables.
--
Ari Seppi (ari.seppi at iki.fi)
http://www.iki.fi/mani/
DGE
Inserts in other countries ?
Message 203 -
2002-11-13 at 14:19:54
Hey Steve-
>I dont think there have been ANY US comics - disney or otherwise - with
inserts like that
In the early 1990s, a few of the Disney Comics comics did have such
an insert, but the featured comic in the insert was really an ad, so it was
a kind of promotion.
Still, the ad-comic story (something about aliens from Mars stealing
Halloween candy, I think) was produced by the Disney Comics crew for the
advertiser. Drawn by John Blair Moore, I believe...
David
>I dont think there have been ANY US comics - disney or otherwise - with
inserts like that
In the early 1990s, a few of the Disney Comics comics did have such
an insert, but the featured comic in the insert was really an ad, so it was
a kind of promotion.
Still, the ad-comic story (something about aliens from Mars stealing
Halloween candy, I think) was produced by the Disney Comics crew for the
advertiser. Drawn by John Blair Moore, I believe...
David
Merlin Haas
Inserts in US Disney comics
Message 204 -
2002-11-13 at 15:24:55
Ola Martinsson wrote:
>Has there been any inserts in the Disney comics in other countries as
>well ? I'm thinking of 1980 and earlier because later on it became very
>common. Nowadays every issue of Swedish Kalle Anka has som kind of
>insert. Always a plastic toy together with the comic in a plastic bag.
>Sometimes there could be something else like for instance in the next
>issue there will be a X-mas calender on CD-ROM. And quite often
>advertisements for this and that.
>
>I have never seen any inserts in the about a hundred US disney comics
>that I have from 1980 and earlier or seen it mentioned on a cover scan.
>So I'm curious about your countries, how has it been on the inserts
>front ?
About the closest thing to an insert in older US Disney comics
would be the poster editions of Walt Disney's Comics and Stories
351-360 from Gold Key about 1970. These were printed in two versions,
one with a centerspread pull-out poster on heavy paper (many drawn by
Paul Murry, if I remember correctly) and a regular edition without
the poster. I think each edition had a different cover price, but
would have to check to be sure.
best -- Merlin Haas
>Has there been any inserts in the Disney comics in other countries as
>well ? I'm thinking of 1980 and earlier because later on it became very
>common. Nowadays every issue of Swedish Kalle Anka has som kind of
>insert. Always a plastic toy together with the comic in a plastic bag.
>Sometimes there could be something else like for instance in the next
>issue there will be a X-mas calender on CD-ROM. And quite often
>advertisements for this and that.
>
>I have never seen any inserts in the about a hundred US disney comics
>that I have from 1980 and earlier or seen it mentioned on a cover scan.
>So I'm curious about your countries, how has it been on the inserts
>front ?
About the closest thing to an insert in older US Disney comics
would be the poster editions of Walt Disney's Comics and Stories
351-360 from Gold Key about 1970. These were printed in two versions,
one with a centerspread pull-out poster on heavy paper (many drawn by
Paul Murry, if I remember correctly) and a regular edition without
the poster. I think each edition had a different cover price, but
would have to check to be sure.
best -- Merlin Haas
Donald D. Markstein
Uncle Ludwig
Message 205 -
2002-11-13 at 16:26:09
> I might go further to suggest option (g)...that
> whoever created Von Drake was a careless hack who
> didn't care in the slightest whether Von Drake was an
> uncle, an aunt, or the King Of England, as long as he
> could get his story in on time, but...this way madness
> lies.
Uh, sanity, actually. Madness would be trying to pin down the exact
relationship between one fictional character and another, when the creator
didn't specify it.
There are endless other possibilities. In English (and I assume the
equivalent in other languages as well), the word "uncle" can loosely be used
to mean any male relative of an older generation, who is not a direct
ancestor. I have grown nieces and nephews whose children call me "uncle",
tho in reality I'm their grand-uncle. I also have cousins whose children
think of me as sort of an uncle, tho I'm actually their first cousin once
removed.
For a long time, I thought of Uncle Scrooge as more likely a grand-uncle,
called "Uncle" simply because it's a more common form of address for that
relationship. A member of Grandma's generation, in other words, tho not
necessarily directly related to her. In fact, I still think that, despite
Don Rosa's spelling out of the relationship. He has his take on the
characters (which I accept when I'm reading his stories), and I have mine.
Quack, Don
Today in Toons: Every day's an anniversary.
http://www.toonopedia.com/today.htm
> whoever created Von Drake was a careless hack who
> didn't care in the slightest whether Von Drake was an
> uncle, an aunt, or the King Of England, as long as he
> could get his story in on time, but...this way madness
> lies.
Uh, sanity, actually. Madness would be trying to pin down the exact
relationship between one fictional character and another, when the creator
didn't specify it.
There are endless other possibilities. In English (and I assume the
equivalent in other languages as well), the word "uncle" can loosely be used
to mean any male relative of an older generation, who is not a direct
ancestor. I have grown nieces and nephews whose children call me "uncle",
tho in reality I'm their grand-uncle. I also have cousins whose children
think of me as sort of an uncle, tho I'm actually their first cousin once
removed.
For a long time, I thought of Uncle Scrooge as more likely a grand-uncle,
called "Uncle" simply because it's a more common form of address for that
relationship. A member of Grandma's generation, in other words, tho not
necessarily directly related to her. In fact, I still think that, despite
Don Rosa's spelling out of the relationship. He has his take on the
characters (which I accept when I'm reading his stories), and I have mine.
Quack, Don
Today in Toons: Every day's an anniversary.
http://www.toonopedia.com/today.htm
Donald D. Markstein
About "Don Markstein's Toonopedia"
Message 206 -
2002-11-13 at 16:48:00
Sigvald --
My Toonopedia touches on fictional biography when necessary, but doesn't
delve very deeply into it because that way lies madness. In most cases, the
exact relationships among the Disney characters are not relevant to what I'm
trying to do, which is to provide a reference work for the general public,
as opposed to detailed treatment of sometimes-iffy and always very esoteric
information of interest only to specialists.
I take a lot of flak for this from American superhero fans, who often get
upset that their favorite trivial details are left out. But I'm not writing
it for them, either. And they bristle worse at my characterizing such points
as "trivial details" than you do.
I may modify my Scrooge article to include at least a brief mention of
Rosa's "Life & Times". But as monumental as you and I may consider it, from
the point of view from which I'm writing the Toonopedia, it's a minor
detail.
As for why I have an article on Barks but not Rosa, please see
http://www.toonopedia.com/faq.htm I'll get one done on him eventually, but
there are a LOT of people who are going to get in before he does.
Quack, Don
Today in Toons: Every day's an anniversary.
http://www.toonopedia.com/today.htm
My Toonopedia touches on fictional biography when necessary, but doesn't
delve very deeply into it because that way lies madness. In most cases, the
exact relationships among the Disney characters are not relevant to what I'm
trying to do, which is to provide a reference work for the general public,
as opposed to detailed treatment of sometimes-iffy and always very esoteric
information of interest only to specialists.
I take a lot of flak for this from American superhero fans, who often get
upset that their favorite trivial details are left out. But I'm not writing
it for them, either. And they bristle worse at my characterizing such points
as "trivial details" than you do.
I may modify my Scrooge article to include at least a brief mention of
Rosa's "Life & Times". But as monumental as you and I may consider it, from
the point of view from which I'm writing the Toonopedia, it's a minor
detail.
As for why I have an article on Barks but not Rosa, please see
http://www.toonopedia.com/faq.htm I'll get one done on him eventually, but
there are a LOT of people who are going to get in before he does.
Quack, Don
Today in Toons: Every day's an anniversary.
http://www.toonopedia.com/today.htm
Stefan Persson
ON-topic about annoying mails
Message 207 -
2002-11-13 at 18:33:58
----- Original Message -----
From: <sigvald at duckburg.dk>
To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: ON-topic about annoying mails
>> Why would a married man live at Donald's place
>> (unless he's married with Donald), which he often
>> does in Karp/Talliaferro/Grant strips?
> b) As far as I know none of Barks, Rosa, Van Horn or Rota
> have ever shown Ludwig living at Donald's place.
And so what?
Stefan
From: <sigvald at duckburg.dk>
To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: ON-topic about annoying mails
>> Why would a married man live at Donald's place
>> (unless he's married with Donald), which he often
>> does in Karp/Talliaferro/Grant strips?
> b) As far as I know none of Barks, Rosa, Van Horn or Rota
> have ever shown Ludwig living at Donald's place.
And so what?
Stefan
Stefan Persson
ON-topic about annoying mails
Message 208 -
2002-11-13 at 18:44:37
----- Original Message -----
From: <sigvald at duckburg.dk>
To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: ON-topic about annoying mails
> b) As far as I know none of Barks, Rosa, Van Horn or Rota
> have ever shown Ludwig living at Donald's place.
FYI:
* Barks has only used Ludwig once, and that on a cover.
* Rosa has used him three times, out of which one is a Christmas calendar
bag. Nothing is told about where he's living in any of the stories AFAIK.
* Van Horn has not used him at all.
* Rota has used him on three covers, but not in any story.
It seems thus that those creators' opinions about Ludwig are unimportant.
Stefan
From: <sigvald at duckburg.dk>
To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: ON-topic about annoying mails
> b) As far as I know none of Barks, Rosa, Van Horn or Rota
> have ever shown Ludwig living at Donald's place.
FYI:
* Barks has only used Ludwig once, and that on a cover.
* Rosa has used him three times, out of which one is a Christmas calendar
bag. Nothing is told about where he's living in any of the stories AFAIK.
* Van Horn has not used him at all.
* Rota has used him on three covers, but not in any story.
It seems thus that those creators' opinions about Ludwig are unimportant.
Stefan
Roy Kooijman
Inserts in other countries ?
Message 209 -
2002-11-13 at 19:03:34
> From: dcml-admin at stp.ling.uu.se
> [mailto:dcml-admin at stp.ling.uu.se] On Behalf Of Ola Martinsson
> Sent: woensdag 13 november 2002 10:31
> Has there been any inserts in the Disney comics in other
> countries as well ? I'm thinking of 1980 and earlier because
> later on it became very common.
In addition to Harry's mail about Dutch inserts you can view some of
them on this page (amongst other things):
http://mars.spaceports.com/~ddossier/old/menu/bijlages.htm
Some people here in Holland have extensive lists of which ads are
inserted (or wrapped around) with the weeklies!
-- Roy
> [mailto:dcml-admin at stp.ling.uu.se] On Behalf Of Ola Martinsson
> Sent: woensdag 13 november 2002 10:31
> Has there been any inserts in the Disney comics in other
> countries as well ? I'm thinking of 1980 and earlier because
> later on it became very common.
In addition to Harry's mail about Dutch inserts you can view some of
them on this page (amongst other things):
http://mars.spaceports.com/~ddossier/old/menu/bijlages.htm
Some people here in Holland have extensive lists of which ads are
inserted (or wrapped around) with the weeklies!
-- Roy
M.J. Prior
Poison Cliff
Message 210 -
2002-11-13 at 20:26:03
Hi y'all,
Kriton and Larry, Rob and Harry, thanks for responding to my questions. I
have a further question regarding the word 'pizen': how is it pronounced?
Like p-eye-zen, to rhyme with wizened?
I noticed there are at least three different Dutch translations of 'Pizen Bluff':
In Barks' original 'Return to Pizen Bluff' it's Glitterklif (Glitter Cliff),
in Don Rosa's 'Dreamtime Duck' (Lo$ 7) it's Stofdorp (Dust Village) and in
Lo$ 6b it's Beulshart Klif (Hangman's Heart Cliff).
I thought 'pizen' might have something to do with gold-dust (because of
'glitter' and 'dust'), but it hasn't. I think I like 'Glitterklif' best, because it
sounds at least a bit English/American.
Apparently the Dutch translators don't check their Barks-stories for earlier
translations, altough they must know, especially when translating a Lo$-
story, that these stories are full of Barks-references. Well, maybe not.
"Contrariwise, if it was so, it might be, and if it were so, it would be; and as
it isn't, it ain't.That's logic."
Pothole McDuck has at least four different Dutch names, including his
supposed 'real Scottish name', in various combinations: Angus, Krent,
Spuigat en Wedje. (I've seen K. 'W'., A. 'W'. and A. 'S'.) I'd prefer just Krent.
(Krent: stingy person.)
Monsieur Mattressface has been translated to 'Geinponem' in the last issue
of Dutch 'Beste Verhalen'. (Barks: The Philosophers' Stone) I don't know if
this is the original Dutch translation or an new one (it features euro's) and
'Geinponem' (joker) is a bit of an odd translation, but I like it because
'ponem' (like 'porem') is slang for 'face'.
In Don Rosa's 'Crown of the Crusader Kings' Mattressface's nameplate on
his desk was left empty in the Dutch translation, but his first name was
kept unaltered. Therefore, Mattressface's full name in Dutch is now:
Maurice Geinponem. HM! (frown)
Well, who cares about it anyway.
Michiel Prior.
Kriton and Larry, Rob and Harry, thanks for responding to my questions. I
have a further question regarding the word 'pizen': how is it pronounced?
Like p-eye-zen, to rhyme with wizened?
I noticed there are at least three different Dutch translations of 'Pizen Bluff':
In Barks' original 'Return to Pizen Bluff' it's Glitterklif (Glitter Cliff),
in Don Rosa's 'Dreamtime Duck' (Lo$ 7) it's Stofdorp (Dust Village) and in
Lo$ 6b it's Beulshart Klif (Hangman's Heart Cliff).
I thought 'pizen' might have something to do with gold-dust (because of
'glitter' and 'dust'), but it hasn't. I think I like 'Glitterklif' best, because it
sounds at least a bit English/American.
Apparently the Dutch translators don't check their Barks-stories for earlier
translations, altough they must know, especially when translating a Lo$-
story, that these stories are full of Barks-references. Well, maybe not.
"Contrariwise, if it was so, it might be, and if it were so, it would be; and as
it isn't, it ain't.That's logic."
Pothole McDuck has at least four different Dutch names, including his
supposed 'real Scottish name', in various combinations: Angus, Krent,
Spuigat en Wedje. (I've seen K. 'W'., A. 'W'. and A. 'S'.) I'd prefer just Krent.
(Krent: stingy person.)
Monsieur Mattressface has been translated to 'Geinponem' in the last issue
of Dutch 'Beste Verhalen'. (Barks: The Philosophers' Stone) I don't know if
this is the original Dutch translation or an new one (it features euro's) and
'Geinponem' (joker) is a bit of an odd translation, but I like it because
'ponem' (like 'porem') is slang for 'face'.
In Don Rosa's 'Crown of the Crusader Kings' Mattressface's nameplate on
his desk was left empty in the Dutch translation, but his first name was
kept unaltered. Therefore, Mattressface's full name in Dutch is now:
Maurice Geinponem. HM! (frown)
Well, who cares about it anyway.
Michiel Prior.