Michiel:
> Monsieur Mattressface has been translated to 'Geinponem' in
> the last issue
> of Dutch 'Beste Verhalen'. (Barks: The Philosophers' Stone) I
> don't know if
> this is the original Dutch translation or a new one
The first translation from 1968 has "Mister Geinponum", and so has the OOM
DAGOBERT album reprint. So only the spelling is different in the new album.
> Well, who cares about it anyway.
Only some freaks on DCML.
--Harry.
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H.W.Fluks
Geinponem Poison Cliff
Message 226 -
2002-11-14 at 15:00:55
Gary Leach
DCML digest, Vol 1 #1138 - 8 msgs
Message 227 -
2002-11-14 at 17:11:30
Kriton:
> This still leaves us in the dark about the correct way to pronounce
> "pizen",
> as this is not in the dictionary!
"Pizen" with a long "i" is in the patois of what is known in the U.S.
as "hillbilly". It is meant to reflect an unsophisticated, poorly
educated, rural character. You can pick this up in its most extreme
stereotypical form in such inexplicably long-running TV series' as "The
Beverly Hillbillies", "The Real McCoys", and "Hee Haw". Even quality TV
such as "The Andy Griffith Show" frequently featured hillbilly
characters rattling on in the best Dogpatch fashion.
And offshoot of this is the Old Prospector, a lampoon of the thousands
of men who swarmed over the American West seeking gold and silver in
the 1800s, and the grizzled "wacky sidekick" that was required baggage
for most every old movie cowboy hero (and was probably an offshoot of
the Old Prospector). Both types of characters speak a brand of
hillbilly roughened by the idea that they've been living hardscrabble
lives in which the very notion of sophistication and education is just
plain incomprehensible.
Just for the record, I've always pronounced "wizened" with a short "i".
Right or wrong, that's how it's burned in my brain.
Gary
> This still leaves us in the dark about the correct way to pronounce
> "pizen",
> as this is not in the dictionary!
"Pizen" with a long "i" is in the patois of what is known in the U.S.
as "hillbilly". It is meant to reflect an unsophisticated, poorly
educated, rural character. You can pick this up in its most extreme
stereotypical form in such inexplicably long-running TV series' as "The
Beverly Hillbillies", "The Real McCoys", and "Hee Haw". Even quality TV
such as "The Andy Griffith Show" frequently featured hillbilly
characters rattling on in the best Dogpatch fashion.
And offshoot of this is the Old Prospector, a lampoon of the thousands
of men who swarmed over the American West seeking gold and silver in
the 1800s, and the grizzled "wacky sidekick" that was required baggage
for most every old movie cowboy hero (and was probably an offshoot of
the Old Prospector). Both types of characters speak a brand of
hillbilly roughened by the idea that they've been living hardscrabble
lives in which the very notion of sophistication and education is just
plain incomprehensible.
Just for the record, I've always pronounced "wizened" with a short "i".
Right or wrong, that's how it's burned in my brain.
Gary
Rob Klein
Ludwig married?
Message 228 -
2002-11-14 at 17:24:16
For Sigvald: I disagree that Ludwig's relationship to the Duckburg Ducks MUST
have been through his "wife's family". When people emigrate to faraway lands
that speak foreign languages, they often change their family names to fit the
new language of their adopted country. This often occurs in the very next
generation (i.e. children of the emigrants). This action was VERY, VERY common
with immigrants to U.S.A. Most of the Ducks have been in U.S.A. for at least
two or more generations. The Duck family could have come from Austria
originally; then moved to the British Empire (Scotland and England); then moved
to the British American colonies (Donald's Family). There were some stories
that showed Donald's forebears residing in Revolutionary times when U.S.A. was
formed. Donald's ancestor who was seaman to Scrooge's ancestor (Matey McDuck)
was a British subject.
How did the Gypsies of Spain get Spanish names? The Jews of Europe get German,
Polish and Spanish names? I have family who migrated from Holland to Canada,
and then Anglicised their last name (only one strange cousin-notice Klein was
not changed). The same from Lithuania to England, and then to Canada and U.S.A.
Therefore, Ludwig could easily have been related to the American Ducks through
his OWN family blood lines.
Rob Klein
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have been through his "wife's family". When people emigrate to faraway lands
that speak foreign languages, they often change their family names to fit the
new language of their adopted country. This often occurs in the very next
generation (i.e. children of the emigrants). This action was VERY, VERY common
with immigrants to U.S.A. Most of the Ducks have been in U.S.A. for at least
two or more generations. The Duck family could have come from Austria
originally; then moved to the British Empire (Scotland and England); then moved
to the British American colonies (Donald's Family). There were some stories
that showed Donald's forebears residing in Revolutionary times when U.S.A. was
formed. Donald's ancestor who was seaman to Scrooge's ancestor (Matey McDuck)
was a British subject.
How did the Gypsies of Spain get Spanish names? The Jews of Europe get German,
Polish and Spanish names? I have family who migrated from Holland to Canada,
and then Anglicised their last name (only one strange cousin-notice Klein was
not changed). The same from Lithuania to England, and then to Canada and U.S.A.
Therefore, Ludwig could easily have been related to the American Ducks through
his OWN family blood lines.
Rob Klein
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Xephyr
Ludwig married? Lives at Donald's house
Message 229 -
2002-11-14 at 18:27:43
sigvald at duckburg.dk asked:
> Or do you really belive that Jakob had 12 sons and NO daughters at all???
Although this is Off-Topic, I thought I'd interject that Jacob DID have at
least one daughter: Dinah (Genesis 34).
As for the discussion of Ludwig von Drake, I think there is enough
substantiation from various sources, as well as a long held understanding
among Disney fans and the corporate standing, that Ludwig is indeed
Donald's uncle. And, as has been demonstrated, in his very first comicbook
appearance, he is presented as being related, presumably, to all those
shown meeting him at the train station, which, oddly, does include Gyro.
Now, while I agree that Chickens and Ducks should not be related. Ducks,
Geese and even Swans, yes, I can see, but not chickens. However Barks, Van
Horn and others have represented Gyro as belonging on a branch of the Duck
family. How, I have no idea. I can only assume that someone in Gyro's
family actually married a Duck. *shrug*
I think that with respect to the Duck family tree including a Chicken we
should probably remember that the whole Disney stable began on a farm.
Rich Bellacera
xephyr at cwnet.com
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> Or do you really belive that Jakob had 12 sons and NO daughters at all???
Although this is Off-Topic, I thought I'd interject that Jacob DID have at
least one daughter: Dinah (Genesis 34).
As for the discussion of Ludwig von Drake, I think there is enough
substantiation from various sources, as well as a long held understanding
among Disney fans and the corporate standing, that Ludwig is indeed
Donald's uncle. And, as has been demonstrated, in his very first comicbook
appearance, he is presented as being related, presumably, to all those
shown meeting him at the train station, which, oddly, does include Gyro.
Now, while I agree that Chickens and Ducks should not be related. Ducks,
Geese and even Swans, yes, I can see, but not chickens. However Barks, Van
Horn and others have represented Gyro as belonging on a branch of the Duck
family. How, I have no idea. I can only assume that someone in Gyro's
family actually married a Duck. *shrug*
I think that with respect to the Duck family tree including a Chicken we
should probably remember that the whole Disney stable began on a farm.
Rich Bellacera
xephyr at cwnet.com
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Sigvald
Ludwig married? Lives at Donald's house
Message 230 -
2002-11-14 at 19:20:23
<xephyr at cwnet.com> wrote:
> And, as has been demonstrated, in his very first comicbook
> appearance, he is presented as being related, presumably,
> to all those shown meeting him at the train station, which,
> oddly, does include Gyro.
Could anyone please post a list showing every "relative" who meet
Ludwig on the train station?
Sigvald :-)
> And, as has been demonstrated, in his very first comicbook
> appearance, he is presented as being related, presumably,
> to all those shown meeting him at the train station, which,
> oddly, does include Gyro.
Could anyone please post a list showing every "relative" who meet
Ludwig on the train station?
Sigvald :-)
Sigvald
Ludwig married?
Message 231 -
2002-11-14 at 19:35:02
Rob Klein wrote:
> When people emigrate to faraway lands that speak
> foreign languages, they often change their family
> names to fit the new language of their adopted
> country.
Don Rosa has never said that Ludwig and Matilda
are *not related, nor has he said that the
Duck-family in Duckburg and Ludwig are *not*
related so there are many possibilities left
open:
I assume that "O'Drake" - Scrooge's mother's maiden
name, could have been Germanized into "von Drake" or
the opposite.
Another possibillity is that a female from Humperdink
Duck's family once was married to an Austrian/German
named von Drake.
Sigvald :-)
> When people emigrate to faraway lands that speak
> foreign languages, they often change their family
> names to fit the new language of their adopted
> country.
Don Rosa has never said that Ludwig and Matilda
are *not related, nor has he said that the
Duck-family in Duckburg and Ludwig are *not*
related so there are many possibilities left
open:
I assume that "O'Drake" - Scrooge's mother's maiden
name, could have been Germanized into "von Drake" or
the opposite.
Another possibillity is that a female from Humperdink
Duck's family once was married to an Austrian/German
named von Drake.
Sigvald :-)
Cristina
About Ludwig and Donald?
Message 232 -
2002-11-14 at 19:39:05
Hello everyone,
as we're talking about Ludwig Von Drake's relation to Donald, I was just wondering... in a not-so-recent italian story (I don't recall the title right now... but the story was about Scrooge planning to invite Ludwig at a conference about Marco Ricci.
Unfortunately, Ludwig was travelling somewhere, so Scrooge demanded Donald to take his place), Scrooge is complaining about a missing expert who should have been at his conference, and Donald asks: "Alludi al cugino Pico?", that means "Do you mean cousin Ludwig?". That's the only story I remember with Donald calling Ludwig his "cousin", so I wondered if it was a mistake, or if he has been referring to Von Drake that way in other italian stories? Or, eventually, in stories from other countries as well?
Just curious
Cristina
as we're talking about Ludwig Von Drake's relation to Donald, I was just wondering... in a not-so-recent italian story (I don't recall the title right now... but the story was about Scrooge planning to invite Ludwig at a conference about Marco Ricci.
Unfortunately, Ludwig was travelling somewhere, so Scrooge demanded Donald to take his place), Scrooge is complaining about a missing expert who should have been at his conference, and Donald asks: "Alludi al cugino Pico?", that means "Do you mean cousin Ludwig?". That's the only story I remember with Donald calling Ludwig his "cousin", so I wondered if it was a mistake, or if he has been referring to Von Drake that way in other italian stories? Or, eventually, in stories from other countries as well?
Just curious
Cristina
Goofy313g
Ludwig's story with the family tree ; Interracial marriages
Message 233 -
2002-11-14 at 19:44:12
Hi!!!
First of all, why a Duck shouldn't be related to a chicken??? One of Clarabelle's cousin is a dog, while she's a Cow (you'll see this cousin in a future update of my website). In a cartoon, Black pete is a cat/lion who plays the part of a King, and the queen minnie is a mouse, and she is to marry a dog, goofy.
In a mouseworks episode, Mickey is in love with Daisy and Donald is in love with Minnie, Hortense and Matilda try to flirt Roosevelt's Rough Riders...Most of the time, Pigs marry Pigs and have Pigs children, Mice marry Mice, and so on, but it's not beholden. It'd be kind of racism. These characters are all suposed to be human beings, inside them, so they can fall in love with anybody.
About the story with Ludwig Sonia asked for, i'll scan it and put it online as soon as I'm going back to my mother's house, probably this week-end... It's in frenc, so if needed, i'll try to translate it, but maybe it'll take me some time...
Gilles Maurice
First of all, why a Duck shouldn't be related to a chicken??? One of Clarabelle's cousin is a dog, while she's a Cow (you'll see this cousin in a future update of my website). In a cartoon, Black pete is a cat/lion who plays the part of a King, and the queen minnie is a mouse, and she is to marry a dog, goofy.
In a mouseworks episode, Mickey is in love with Daisy and Donald is in love with Minnie, Hortense and Matilda try to flirt Roosevelt's Rough Riders...Most of the time, Pigs marry Pigs and have Pigs children, Mice marry Mice, and so on, but it's not beholden. It'd be kind of racism. These characters are all suposed to be human beings, inside them, so they can fall in love with anybody.
About the story with Ludwig Sonia asked for, i'll scan it and put it online as soon as I'm going back to my mother's house, probably this week-end... It's in frenc, so if needed, i'll try to translate it, but maybe it'll take me some time...
Gilles Maurice
Søren Krarup Olesen
Ludwig married?
Message 234 -
2002-11-14 at 20:48:07
SIGVALD:
>>When people emigrate to faraway lands that speak
>>foreign languages, they often change their family
>>names to fit the new language of their adopted
>>country.
>
>
> Don Rosa has never said that Ludwig and Matilda
> are *not related, nor has he said that the
> Duck-family in Duckburg and Ludwig are *not*
> related so there are many possibilities left
> open:
Oh, how extremely interesting. Your black and whitish conclusions bring
us absolutely nowhere, Sigvald. The fact that Don didn't say this or
that apparently force you to make a conclusion which aims at the exact
opposite. If Don (or anyone else, who in your world defines the "canon")
never claimed that the Earth is flat, you probably would find good
reasons to believe that the Earth indeed might be flat...
> I assume that "O'Drake" - Scrooge's mother's maiden
> name, could have been Germanized into "von Drake" or
> the opposite.
Speculations. Anyways, here is how it all works. And please do tell me,
if I am wrong. This is the true story:
Goofy is Pluto's uncle, and Pluto himself is a half-cousin to Scamp,
because Tramp and Pluto were raised together during a shorter period.
Lady had an affair with Old Trusty before she ever met Tramp and (kinda
secret actually) gave birth to Newton. So roughly speaking Goofy *is*
Newton's uncle in daily conversation, but let's not get technical here.
Pete (a nephew to Lucifer) married Trudy and she gave birth to Madam
Mim's Spitfire. Pete is in fact the father of Tabby, who (as everybody
knows) was later adopted by Donald.
Little Toot married an elder yacht of Uncle Scrooge's and they happily
had triplets. The archives don't reviel details about their lifes, but
rumours tell that HDL played with them once, so who can tell the
consequences of that intimate meeting.
Little Helper couldn't resist the tall legs of Gyro's mailbox robot and
they finally got their screws together. Obviously the Thinking Cap got
jealous and the inhabitants (the birds) departed and met Magica's
Ratface. It's now commonly known that all the birds live in a pleasant
collective and even have their own web site.
---
Apart from the rubbish above, I had hoped that you knew your Ludwig
better. He has never showed any interest in the opposite sex as far as I
know. Ludwig has his books and his degrees and Scrooge has his money.
This fact may not constitute a "perfect life" for you, Sigvald, I mean
you wrote:
> A marriage is *NOT* unimportant!
True, indeed. But let's not forget that the "people" in question are
first and foremost comics characters, and such characters behave
differently from what (sometimes) can be expected.
S?ren
>>When people emigrate to faraway lands that speak
>>foreign languages, they often change their family
>>names to fit the new language of their adopted
>>country.
>
>
> Don Rosa has never said that Ludwig and Matilda
> are *not related, nor has he said that the
> Duck-family in Duckburg and Ludwig are *not*
> related so there are many possibilities left
> open:
Oh, how extremely interesting. Your black and whitish conclusions bring
us absolutely nowhere, Sigvald. The fact that Don didn't say this or
that apparently force you to make a conclusion which aims at the exact
opposite. If Don (or anyone else, who in your world defines the "canon")
never claimed that the Earth is flat, you probably would find good
reasons to believe that the Earth indeed might be flat...
> I assume that "O'Drake" - Scrooge's mother's maiden
> name, could have been Germanized into "von Drake" or
> the opposite.
Speculations. Anyways, here is how it all works. And please do tell me,
if I am wrong. This is the true story:
Goofy is Pluto's uncle, and Pluto himself is a half-cousin to Scamp,
because Tramp and Pluto were raised together during a shorter period.
Lady had an affair with Old Trusty before she ever met Tramp and (kinda
secret actually) gave birth to Newton. So roughly speaking Goofy *is*
Newton's uncle in daily conversation, but let's not get technical here.
Pete (a nephew to Lucifer) married Trudy and she gave birth to Madam
Mim's Spitfire. Pete is in fact the father of Tabby, who (as everybody
knows) was later adopted by Donald.
Little Toot married an elder yacht of Uncle Scrooge's and they happily
had triplets. The archives don't reviel details about their lifes, but
rumours tell that HDL played with them once, so who can tell the
consequences of that intimate meeting.
Little Helper couldn't resist the tall legs of Gyro's mailbox robot and
they finally got their screws together. Obviously the Thinking Cap got
jealous and the inhabitants (the birds) departed and met Magica's
Ratface. It's now commonly known that all the birds live in a pleasant
collective and even have their own web site.
---
Apart from the rubbish above, I had hoped that you knew your Ludwig
better. He has never showed any interest in the opposite sex as far as I
know. Ludwig has his books and his degrees and Scrooge has his money.
This fact may not constitute a "perfect life" for you, Sigvald, I mean
you wrote:
> A marriage is *NOT* unimportant!
True, indeed. But let's not forget that the "people" in question are
first and foremost comics characters, and such characters behave
differently from what (sometimes) can be expected.
S?ren
H.W.Fluks
Ludwig married? Lives at Donald's house
Message 235 -
2002-11-14 at 21:05:46
Sigvald:
> Could anyone please post a list showing every "relative" who meet
> Ludwig on the train station?
Have a look at the scan of that panel. It's on "my LVD webpage", which I
wrote about yesterday.
--Harry.
> Could anyone please post a list showing every "relative" who meet
> Ludwig on the train station?
Have a look at the scan of that panel. It's on "my LVD webpage", which I
wrote about yesterday.
--Harry.
H.W.Fluks
Ludwig's relationships
Message 236 -
2002-11-14 at 21:10:11
Rob Kline:
> Harry,- i believe your memory serves you well. I believe
> that Ludwig was
> refered to as "Oom" (Uncle) in Dutch Donald Duck.
No, that's not what I meant. I meant that I remembered LVD being referred to
as DONALD's uncle in that story. And that probably IS a misremembrance.
--Harry.
> Harry,- i believe your memory serves you well. I believe
> that Ludwig was
> refered to as "Oom" (Uncle) in Dutch Donald Duck.
No, that's not what I meant. I meant that I remembered LVD being referred to
as DONALD's uncle in that story. And that probably IS a misremembrance.
--Harry.
Sigvald
Ludwig married?
Message 237 -
2002-11-14 at 21:40:56
<raptus at stofanet.dk> wrote:
>>>When people emigrate to faraway lands that speak
>>>foreign languages, they often change their family
>>>names to fit the new language of their adopted
>>>country.
>>
>> Don Rosa has never said that Ludwig and Matilda
>> are *not related, nor has he said that the
>> Duck-family in Duckburg and Ludwig are *not*
>> related so there are many possibilities left
>> open:
>
> Oh, how extremely interesting. Your black and whitish
> conclusions bring us absolutely nowhere, Sigvald.
In the posting you are reffring to I didn't make any
conclusions at all. I just mentioned some possibillities.
> The fact that Don didn't say this or that apparently
> force you to make a conclusion which aims at the exact
> opposite.
Nope, it's just that I have an open mind about this,
and are ready to see any possibillities combining
Don Rosa's version of Ludwig's relationship to Donald
with other versions.
> If Don (or anyone else, who in your world defines
> the "canon") never claimed that the Earth is flat,
> you probably would find good reasons to believe that
> the Earth indeed might be flat...
No, that would support that the Eart is round... which
is off course is.
> Apart from the rubbish above, I had hoped that you knew
> your Ludwig better. He has never showed any interest in
> the opposite sex as far as I know.
And when did Granda Duck show a greater interst in men???
> Ludwig has his books and his degrees and Scrooge
> has his money.
And his feelings for Glittering Goldie...
Sigvald :-)
>>>When people emigrate to faraway lands that speak
>>>foreign languages, they often change their family
>>>names to fit the new language of their adopted
>>>country.
>>
>> Don Rosa has never said that Ludwig and Matilda
>> are *not related, nor has he said that the
>> Duck-family in Duckburg and Ludwig are *not*
>> related so there are many possibilities left
>> open:
>
> Oh, how extremely interesting. Your black and whitish
> conclusions bring us absolutely nowhere, Sigvald.
In the posting you are reffring to I didn't make any
conclusions at all. I just mentioned some possibillities.
> The fact that Don didn't say this or that apparently
> force you to make a conclusion which aims at the exact
> opposite.
Nope, it's just that I have an open mind about this,
and are ready to see any possibillities combining
Don Rosa's version of Ludwig's relationship to Donald
with other versions.
> If Don (or anyone else, who in your world defines
> the "canon") never claimed that the Earth is flat,
> you probably would find good reasons to believe that
> the Earth indeed might be flat...
No, that would support that the Eart is round... which
is off course is.
> Apart from the rubbish above, I had hoped that you knew
> your Ludwig better. He has never showed any interest in
> the opposite sex as far as I know.
And when did Granda Duck show a greater interst in men???
> Ludwig has his books and his degrees and Scrooge
> has his money.
And his feelings for Glittering Goldie...
Sigvald :-)
Dan Shane
INEXPLICABLE! (OT)
Message 238 -
2002-11-14 at 22:19:58
GARY WROTE:
> "Pizen" with a long "i" is in the patois of what is known in the U.S.
> as "hillbilly". It is meant to reflect an unsophisticated, poorly
> educated, rural character. You can pick this up in its most extreme
> stereotypical form in such inexplicably long-running TV series' as "The
> Beverly Hillbillies", "The Real McCoys", and "Hee Haw". Even quality TV
> such as "The Andy Griffith Show" frequently featured hillbilly
> characters rattling on in the best Dogpatch fashion.
AND I REPLY:
Inexplicable?!!!
Well, I'll try to explain it for ya. In the case of BEVERLY HILLBILLIES and
REAL McCOYS, they're just plain funny. I have no more trouble defending my
enjoyment of those 2 series than I do my love for "funny animal" comic
books. BH in particular was an exercise in pure stereotypical nonsense
genius. Many lines in the first 2 seasons of that series are timeless gems.
("You're a nice fella Mr. Brewster, but I've heard better jokes.") Yes, it
got silly later on, but try to tell me that the color ANDY GRIFFITH episodes
are of the same caliber as the black-and-white era shows.
As for HEE-HAW, I don't have the same fondness for that show as many do, but
I understand its appeal. It was not the least bit topical in its humor, and
the laughs were often forced (to say the least). But it reached out to two
different audiences. One just liked the cornpone jokes, blacked out teeth,
freckles, and absence of anything that made them think too hard.
The other, probably smaller audience tuned in to see all that and realize
that the show was lampooning itself. Yes, it presented hicks as hicks, and
hicks wrote (or stole) the jokes that made them look so goofy. Half the
performers couldn't act a lick, and that added to the charm. Watching
HEE-HAW was like viewing a train wreck or a GODZILLA movie -- you knew it
was awful, but you couldn't look away.
HEE-HAW isn't necessary to see in reruns, as all the jokes were already old.
But I am cannot look back on my TV youth without fondly remembering, even
reciting, scenes from GRIFFITH, HILLBILLIES, or McCOYS.
("That boy Jethro has invented a new kind of math. Why, 2 plus 2 come out 5
for him!")
Dan, the Unashamed
> "Pizen" with a long "i" is in the patois of what is known in the U.S.
> as "hillbilly". It is meant to reflect an unsophisticated, poorly
> educated, rural character. You can pick this up in its most extreme
> stereotypical form in such inexplicably long-running TV series' as "The
> Beverly Hillbillies", "The Real McCoys", and "Hee Haw". Even quality TV
> such as "The Andy Griffith Show" frequently featured hillbilly
> characters rattling on in the best Dogpatch fashion.
AND I REPLY:
Inexplicable?!!!
Well, I'll try to explain it for ya. In the case of BEVERLY HILLBILLIES and
REAL McCOYS, they're just plain funny. I have no more trouble defending my
enjoyment of those 2 series than I do my love for "funny animal" comic
books. BH in particular was an exercise in pure stereotypical nonsense
genius. Many lines in the first 2 seasons of that series are timeless gems.
("You're a nice fella Mr. Brewster, but I've heard better jokes.") Yes, it
got silly later on, but try to tell me that the color ANDY GRIFFITH episodes
are of the same caliber as the black-and-white era shows.
As for HEE-HAW, I don't have the same fondness for that show as many do, but
I understand its appeal. It was not the least bit topical in its humor, and
the laughs were often forced (to say the least). But it reached out to two
different audiences. One just liked the cornpone jokes, blacked out teeth,
freckles, and absence of anything that made them think too hard.
The other, probably smaller audience tuned in to see all that and realize
that the show was lampooning itself. Yes, it presented hicks as hicks, and
hicks wrote (or stole) the jokes that made them look so goofy. Half the
performers couldn't act a lick, and that added to the charm. Watching
HEE-HAW was like viewing a train wreck or a GODZILLA movie -- you knew it
was awful, but you couldn't look away.
HEE-HAW isn't necessary to see in reruns, as all the jokes were already old.
But I am cannot look back on my TV youth without fondly remembering, even
reciting, scenes from GRIFFITH, HILLBILLIES, or McCOYS.
("That boy Jethro has invented a new kind of math. Why, 2 plus 2 come out 5
for him!")
Dan, the Unashamed
M.J. Prior
Reaction to Sigvald, Rob, Kriton, Rich and about Ludwig
Message 239 -
2002-11-14 at 22:34:28
Sigvald:
> Could anyone please post a list showing every "relative" who meet
> Ludwig on the train station?
The first panel of that story can be seen at Harry's site:
> {HYPERLINK "http://dd50.inducks.org/xeng1963.html"}http://dd50.inducks.org/xeng1963.html
The 'relatives' are: Donald, Daisy, Gladstone, Gus, Grandma, $crooge,
Gyro, Huey and Louie. (It must be the same story.)
Rob:
> When people emigrate to faraway lands that speak foreign languages,
> they often change their family names to fit the new language of their
> adopted country.
Like I said about dr. Emmett Brown.
What *is* the anglicised form of Klein? Kline?
Kriton:
> incorrectly associating the word "wizened" with the word "wise".
But there must be an etymological connection, mustn't there? The
pronunciation may not be the same (alright: *isn't* the same) but
associating the two is maybe not such a mistake after all. "Wizard" also
has a short vowel. Ask Harry. No, the other one. (uh-huh, saw-ree)
Rich Bellacera:
> However Barks, Van Horn and others have represented Gyro as
> belonging on a branch of the Duck family.
Has Barks? How did he make this clear, I mean: where did he mention
it? (Just because I'm curious.)
What I meant in my previous mail was this: Ludwig is only supposed to
be married to Matilda for three reasons. 1) He's said to be Donald's
uncle. 2) Carl Barks used him once in a one-page-gag. 3) Don Rosa
likes him as a character.
If it wasn't for the second reason, Don Rosa probably would never have
wanted to include Ludwig in his Family Tree and probably never have
suggested this marriage. I hardly doubt if anyone else would have come
up with the idea, or if there would then have been put so much weight to
this matter.
Remember that Matilda only was in Barks original tree because Barks
needed Gladstone to be related to both Grandma and $crooge. (Matilda
and her husband Goosetave fostered Gladstone after his real parents,
Daphne and Luke, had died from over-eating at a free-lunch picknick. I
still think that this has happened to Daphne and Goosetave, who are
nowadays, after Rosa's Tree, considered to be Gladstone's parents.)
Michiel Prior.
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"In the end, nothing is absolutely true, and maybe not even that."
Multatuli
> Could anyone please post a list showing every "relative" who meet
> Ludwig on the train station?
The first panel of that story can be seen at Harry's site:
> {HYPERLINK "http://dd50.inducks.org/xeng1963.html"}http://dd50.inducks.org/xeng1963.html
The 'relatives' are: Donald, Daisy, Gladstone, Gus, Grandma, $crooge,
Gyro, Huey and Louie. (It must be the same story.)
Rob:
> When people emigrate to faraway lands that speak foreign languages,
> they often change their family names to fit the new language of their
> adopted country.
Like I said about dr. Emmett Brown.
What *is* the anglicised form of Klein? Kline?
Kriton:
> incorrectly associating the word "wizened" with the word "wise".
But there must be an etymological connection, mustn't there? The
pronunciation may not be the same (alright: *isn't* the same) but
associating the two is maybe not such a mistake after all. "Wizard" also
has a short vowel. Ask Harry. No, the other one. (uh-huh, saw-ree)
Rich Bellacera:
> However Barks, Van Horn and others have represented Gyro as
> belonging on a branch of the Duck family.
Has Barks? How did he make this clear, I mean: where did he mention
it? (Just because I'm curious.)
What I meant in my previous mail was this: Ludwig is only supposed to
be married to Matilda for three reasons. 1) He's said to be Donald's
uncle. 2) Carl Barks used him once in a one-page-gag. 3) Don Rosa
likes him as a character.
If it wasn't for the second reason, Don Rosa probably would never have
wanted to include Ludwig in his Family Tree and probably never have
suggested this marriage. I hardly doubt if anyone else would have come
up with the idea, or if there would then have been put so much weight to
this matter.
Remember that Matilda only was in Barks original tree because Barks
needed Gladstone to be related to both Grandma and $crooge. (Matilda
and her husband Goosetave fostered Gladstone after his real parents,
Daphne and Luke, had died from over-eating at a free-lunch picknick. I
still think that this has happened to Daphne and Goosetave, who are
nowadays, after Rosa's Tree, considered to be Gladstone's parents.)
Michiel Prior.
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"In the end, nothing is absolutely true, and maybe not even that."
Multatuli
Vidar Svendsen
Ludwig married? Lives at Donald's house
Message 240 -
2002-11-14 at 22:39:28
I'm in a nit-picking mode today..... ;-)
Sigvald wrote:
>a) Disney Comics seldom mentiones marriages. Just like the Bible
>seldom mentiones daughters, sisters, etc. Or do you really belive
>that Jakob had 12 sons and NO daughters at all???
ehm.... Jacob *did* have a daughter..... Dina
the word 'daughter' is used in 229 verses in the Bible, sister in 121 verses.
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Sigvald wrote:
>a) Disney Comics seldom mentiones marriages. Just like the Bible
>seldom mentiones daughters, sisters, etc. Or do you really belive
>that Jakob had 12 sons and NO daughters at all???
ehm.... Jacob *did* have a daughter..... Dina
the word 'daughter' is used in 229 verses in the Bible, sister in 121 verses.
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"Nothing travels faster than the speed of light
with the possible exception of bad news,
which obeys its own special laws."