Keskustelujen arkisto

Hey all, its taken me a couple of days to catch up on the barrage of e-mails that have been sent to the list lately. I'm not complaining, though, its uplifting to see the list very active and on-topic again.

Couple things:

a) Disney comics back in the U.S. --> awesome!!

b) I agree with the majority opinion that not only will it be great to see Rosa's most recent stories in English, but I'm also excited about seeing recent works from many other great writers/artists. There was a list provided of the most likely artists to be seen. <<William and Noel Van Horn, the Blocks, The McGreals, Dave
Rawson, the Gilberts, Vicar, Daan Jippes, Daniel Branca, Marco Rota,
David Gerstein, Don Markstein, Geoff Blum, even yours truly, et al - is
what Gemstone will be about for the near future.>> I would like to extend to Gemstone to consider bringing over other great artists that I have only been able to hear about through DCML for the past couple years, such as Scarpa and the Paperinik stories.

c) Regarding Don Rosa's strike -- as for now, I understand Rosa's request to handle this himself.....but I question where the point in time comes that the strike and the treatment of Rosa becomes a real issue for fans. Yes, it is Don's personal situation, but over time the lack of new stories from one of Disney's greatest will become a disappointment for many fans who can't wait to see what he'll come up with next. So, I'm not trying to overturn Don's request, but would just like some thoughts on whether or not anyone thinks that there is a point in which this becomes an issue for fans to confront Egmont with as well.

d) Regarding Disney comics in the Disney stores -- obviously I would love to see this and think it absurd that the stores have never carried their "own" comics. Now, I don't know the actual mindset that says no to comics, but I believe it could possibly be due to 1) the extended connection between the comics and Disney and b) the separate universe(s) that exist in Disney comics. Furthermore, I have seen that recently Disney stores have been very focused in regards to what items are in the store. Most stores instead of having all things Disney only have items of certain "hot" characters or current "hot" movies and Disney comics would not fit in since (as someone else mentioned) the ducks don't get much attention at Disney stores. Now, at the parks themselves, this last comment doesn't hold water. Besides the obvious reasons, I would really like to see the upcoming Disney comics in Disney stores, b/c I'm worried about the ability to get the average crowd back into the comics. Having the comics in the stores is great b/c it puts them in front of people who are already interested in Disney and who would have a good chance of appreciating the comics. The one reason I would be worried about the comics having success in the stores is b/c the Disney store puts almost no emphasis on the few Disney books they already sell and from what I've seen the kids that do come into the stores are much more interested in the toys and the parents in the clothes and movies, and the books basically go untouched. And though Disney comics have the ability to appeal to adult Disney fans, everything in Disney stores tends to have a kid-focus and thus I believe most teens and adults would disregard the comics as child comics as they have been mistaken for in the past as well.

Now I must go to make a group presentation about the oil & gas industry.

Bye,
John Crocker.

A question for the Germans on the list about the meaning of the word
"Wuwelack", the name of the magical golden Christmas Tree in Barks' "Der
Goldene Weihnachtsbaum". Does anyone know what the word might mean? Barks'
original story gave no name for the tree. Let me continue in German:
Ich bin Deutschlehrer in Amerika, und ab und zu ?berstezen meine Sch?ler
Geschichten von Carl Barks ins Englische, d.h. in den Versionen von Dr.
Fuchs. "Wuwelack" heisst der goldene Weihnachtsbaum, der eigentlich ein
Naturschutzgeist ist.

Ich habe nat?rlich an indogermanische/indoe?rop?ische Stammw?rter gedacht,
aber keine beginnen mit "wu": es gibt ein Stammwort "wel", das sich in das
deutsche Wort "Wille" (Englisch "will") ver?ndert. Hier liegt aber keine
Antwort, vermute ich.

Es gibt aber eine Idee in Taoismus: "Wu Wei" ist der Glaube, man solle die
Natur nicht st?ren, oder so wenig wie m?glich. So eine Idee passt sehr gut
zu dem Thema der Geschichte: die Hexe hat es vor, alle Weihnachtsb?ume zu
t?ten, damit sie das Weihnachtsgl?ck vernichten kann. Thema: B?ume (d.h.
die ungest?rte Natur) bringen Gl?ck.

Ob Dr. Fuchs dieses chinesische Wort "Wu Wei" kannte? "Ack" kommt aus
"Acker" ("ager" Lateinisch), und man k?nnte also vielleicht das Wort erkl?ren:
Wu-Wei(l)-Ack(er) - das Land, wo die Natur unber?hrt und pur bleibt.

Oder habe ich mich in dem Wald der Etymologie verlaufen? Es ist nat?rlich
ganz m?glich, das Wort bedeutet nichts: es klingt nur exotisch.

Beste W?nsche!
Leo Schulte

Mike Rhode <mgrhode at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Can anyone confirm if Don Rosa wiil be in Kalle Anka
> #49?

No, but "The Dream of a Lifetime" will be published as
enclosures to the Norwegian Donald Duck & Co #49 and the
Danish Anders And & Co #49. In Sweden the story will be
published in the Christmas issue #51/52.

Sigvald :-)

I checked the story about Donald's "Cousin Fred" given by Rich
Bellacera (H85125) published by Gladstone in WDC542.
Cousin Fred, modern astist, (no family name given) has a strong family
resemblance to Donald's cousin Gus Goose. On Don Rosa's
family tree, Gus Goose is a second cousin of Donald, whereas
Gladstone Gander is a first cousin. So I doubt that Fred is a first
cousin of Donald. Could he be a brother of Gus Goose, and thus
another second cousin to Donald?
---------Larry Giver.

Gilles wrote:

> In D 7296, by Vicar (writer unknown), there apears a prospector cousin
> named Douglas, but he doesn't look at all like yours (same clothes,
> but with a beard!).
> So, do you think this third (well, chronologically speaking, it's the
> second one) douglas should be considered as the same one???

I'll have to read the story (which I've never heard about before). It'll
probably take at least a few weeks before I get a chance to look it up.

(And according to COA, D 7296 was written by Jack Sutter.)

Lars

Monday 25. november 2002 22:33 john garvin wrote:

> As I've written on this list many times over the years, I think
> Disney's (and Egmont's) work-for-hire policies are a disgrace.

If that is their policy, that is what one has to live with, and what
THEY have to live with, if they do not modify it from time to time.

> These are just my opinions and I'm not starting any letter writing
> campaigns, but it really is too bad that this is even an issue. Is
> there really anyone who thinks it is fair that a publisher, even
> Gemstone, has the moral right to make money over and over again from
> work that was paid for just once?

It is perfectly fair. If the initial agreement is "You get paid THIS
amount to do THIS for us" then that is it. I don't see why a city
cannot hire a company to build a bridge - pay for it, and then
continue to use it for as long as its usable. I don't see why the
construction company should get a certain sum per car passing the
bridge.

If the initial agreement is that every car that passes the bridge has
to cough up $1 which goes straight into the construction company's
coffers, then thats okay too.

> Most other forms of entertainment and publishing enterprises long ago
> started paying their creators royalties and a share of the profits.

Indeed. However, I do not see why this is "the only way it should be
done".

> The wonder is not that Don Rosa is on strike now, the wonder is that
> he ever agreed to these terms in the first place [..]

He did, he has survived until now on them (I think?). I can understand
him, however. He's _THE_ most sought after disneycomics-creator, with
an incredible fan-base all over Europe. He knows that people _are_
willing to cough up more money because his art is incredible.

I'll have to add a thing about copyrights here. I tend to dislike the
way copyright is implemented today. I really do think that people
should be allowed to copy/give on what they've bought, and give to
friends and so forth. If the artist want to be paid more, then they
can go on strike. Which Don Rosa has done - and which for I greatly
respect him. If the public really want the artists story, they'll get
a better contract.

Well, it COULD've been that way anyways. The problem in this case is
that Disney probably has some obscure "rights" to prevent others from
releasing Donald/Mickey/and-so-forth stories without their agreement
(I'm not sure though). Thus, Don/others can't go freelance and
release things to the general public on their own, I think? If they
could, Don could surely finance himself by releasing his own books :)

--
Rune Kristian Viken

> Disney stores have been very focused in regard to what items are in the
> store. Most stores instead of having all things Disney only have items of
> certain "hot" characters or current "hot" movies and Disney comics would
> not fit in since (as someone else mentioned) the ducks don't get much
> attention at Disney stores.

Not only do the ducks not get much attention, but they are now beginning to
eliminate adults. I often liked to look at "Duck" shirts and clothing. The
stores have gone to mostly children's clothes with Tigger on them. I spoke
with a manager at the Mall of America Disney store and she told me she was
not happy with the situation either but that I should speak with their
marketing division who was making these decisions. They were also
eliminating higher end collectibles like Ron Lee figures. nice watches, and
Cells. It was turning into a child's clothing store. A BIG disappointment
for me. The Disney stores were my one access to licensed product since I am
so far from Disneyland/world.
As for comics in Disney stores, I am sure they see them as for adult
collectors, and do not fit into their current plan. I own a comic book store
so I am not worried about access for me. I do not have many younger readers
asking about Disney comics, only older readers. Young readers are playing
video games, not reading comics or much of anything.

Hi

Does anyone know what the story is about ?
Is it similar to "The Sharpie of the Culebra Cut" with the untrue facts?

I do like Don Rosa, but hate it when he uses untrue facts about Scrooge!

regards,
/Mads