I agree with Lars, that just because an artist or writer wrote or drew
something in unpublished or deleted material, or made some personal notes, does
not mean that that information should be automatically used as "canon"
or "gospel", by other Disney production contributors or fan "analysts". This
is especially true of notes and story portions that have been deleted by the
artist, himself, which have been contradicted by that artist's final version.
Such situations must be looked at individually, on a case by case basis. Even
then, i am sure we would never get everyone to agree as to whether a given bit
of information should be the "official" version. As a Duckburg "geographer"
and "historian", I want to use ALL the information possible (but without
contradictions). This requires assumptions to be made about those
contradictions to "correct" them (e.g. some of the information must be ignored,
or "seen in a different light").
Notice that I have resisted the temptation to go off-topic (except for this
comment)8-!
Thanks Olivier and Fernando, for your help with comic book information from
your countries.
Rob
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Rob Klein
Unpublished Material
Message 61 -
2002-11-05 at 12:01:17
Sigvald
Unpublished Material
Message 62 -
2002-11-05 at 13:56:42
bi442 at lafn.org (Rob Klein) skrev:
>
> I agree with Lars, that just because an artist or writer
> wrote or drew something in unpublished or deleted material,
> or made some personal notes, does not mean that that
> information should be automatically used as "canon"
> or "gospel", by other Disney production contributors or
> fan "analysts". This is especially true of notes and story
> portions that have been deleted by the artist, himself,
> which have been contradicted by that artist's final version.
Correct!
> Such situations must be looked at individually, on a case
> by case basis. Even then, i am sure we would never get
> everyone to agree as to whether a given bit of information
> should be the "official" version. As a Duckburg "geographer"
> and "historian", I want to use ALL the information possible
> (but without contradictions).
That's how I see it too.
> This requires assumptions to be made about those
> contradictions to "correct" them (e.g. some of the
> information must be ignored, or "seen in a
> different light").
Ecsactly!
> Notice that I have resisted the temptation to go off-topic
> (except for this comment)8-!
This thread about the value of unpublished material is IMO
definetly on-topic.
Sigvald :-)
>
> I agree with Lars, that just because an artist or writer
> wrote or drew something in unpublished or deleted material,
> or made some personal notes, does not mean that that
> information should be automatically used as "canon"
> or "gospel", by other Disney production contributors or
> fan "analysts". This is especially true of notes and story
> portions that have been deleted by the artist, himself,
> which have been contradicted by that artist's final version.
Correct!
> Such situations must be looked at individually, on a case
> by case basis. Even then, i am sure we would never get
> everyone to agree as to whether a given bit of information
> should be the "official" version. As a Duckburg "geographer"
> and "historian", I want to use ALL the information possible
> (but without contradictions).
That's how I see it too.
> This requires assumptions to be made about those
> contradictions to "correct" them (e.g. some of the
> information must be ignored, or "seen in a
> different light").
Ecsactly!
> Notice that I have resisted the temptation to go off-topic
> (except for this comment)8-!
This thread about the value of unpublished material is IMO
definetly on-topic.
Sigvald :-)
Klartekst
Thieves or...
Message 63 -
2002-11-05 at 14:00:44
The problem is speed.
To illlustrate, let me tell you what happened to me:
I am a freelance technical writer. I have a website from which I offer my
services and sell a book I have written ? A Guide to Better Writing. At
first, to attract visitors, I included a lot of free writing advice on my
site. I added one new suggestion each week, hoping that people would return
to the site.
Two years ago, I discovered that my free advice had turned up on another
site owned by someone whom we can call Mr. Jones. Big surprise: Mr. Jones
had also written a guide to better writing. I bought it and found that 60%
of the contents was my own stuff. Even the title was similar.
By this time, my own book had sold quite well. I contacted Mr. Jones'
publisher who told me that his book was hardly selling at all. The reason
was probably that most people who were interested in the topic had already
bought my book. Even in these days of instant publishing it takes time to
produce books.
So, as it turned out in this case, Mr. Jones' blatant plagiarism didn't
hurt me in terms of book sales. But the number of visistors to my website
dropped, and that DID hurt because it is from these visitors that I get my
new assignments. I searched the net using key words like "technical
writing" and "writing better". In each case, Mr. Jones' page turned up on
the list directly above or below my own. It was almost as if he had somehow
managed to copy my meta tags.
Now, are you going to tell me that what Mr. Jones did to my book is not
legal, whereas what he did to my website is?
And if you think that ripping off a website is legal, do you think it's FAIR?
Maybe you feel that there is a difference between a business website and a
fan site about comic books. If so, please clarify the distinction. If Mr.
Smith makes a really great website about comics, he will get a lot of
visitors. This means that he can sell advertising space and make a little
money. But if a "Mr. Jones" comes in, copies Mr. Smith's stuff and puts it
on HIS site, fewer people will visit Mr. Smith, and he may lose his sponsors.
BTW: Mr. Jones' website has disappeared from the net. That's the thing
about thieves ? they're impatient. If they don't get results right away,
they give up and move on to something else. And THAT'S why the good guys
will win in the end.
Nils from Norway
To illlustrate, let me tell you what happened to me:
I am a freelance technical writer. I have a website from which I offer my
services and sell a book I have written ? A Guide to Better Writing. At
first, to attract visitors, I included a lot of free writing advice on my
site. I added one new suggestion each week, hoping that people would return
to the site.
Two years ago, I discovered that my free advice had turned up on another
site owned by someone whom we can call Mr. Jones. Big surprise: Mr. Jones
had also written a guide to better writing. I bought it and found that 60%
of the contents was my own stuff. Even the title was similar.
By this time, my own book had sold quite well. I contacted Mr. Jones'
publisher who told me that his book was hardly selling at all. The reason
was probably that most people who were interested in the topic had already
bought my book. Even in these days of instant publishing it takes time to
produce books.
So, as it turned out in this case, Mr. Jones' blatant plagiarism didn't
hurt me in terms of book sales. But the number of visistors to my website
dropped, and that DID hurt because it is from these visitors that I get my
new assignments. I searched the net using key words like "technical
writing" and "writing better". In each case, Mr. Jones' page turned up on
the list directly above or below my own. It was almost as if he had somehow
managed to copy my meta tags.
Now, are you going to tell me that what Mr. Jones did to my book is not
legal, whereas what he did to my website is?
And if you think that ripping off a website is legal, do you think it's FAIR?
Maybe you feel that there is a difference between a business website and a
fan site about comic books. If so, please clarify the distinction. If Mr.
Smith makes a really great website about comics, he will get a lot of
visitors. This means that he can sell advertising space and make a little
money. But if a "Mr. Jones" comes in, copies Mr. Smith's stuff and puts it
on HIS site, fewer people will visit Mr. Smith, and he may lose his sponsors.
BTW: Mr. Jones' website has disappeared from the net. That's the thing
about thieves ? they're impatient. If they don't get results right away,
they give up and move on to something else. And THAT'S why the good guys
will win in the end.
Nils from Norway
H.W.Fluks
Thieves or...
Message 64 -
2002-11-05 at 14:05:33
One could see this coming: a simple disagreement gets to the point where
people use words like:
> Who the HELL do you think you are?
Calm down, please. Disagreeing about things by e-mail is not easy. I am
convinced that Don is quite a nice guy (though I never met him), and I know
that Soeren is quite a nice guy too. Soeren's ideas may be wrong (in this
case), but he's not the anarchist that he appears to be. 8-)
Anyway, I think it's time to discuss this matter further in private mail. It
has become too off-topic (and repetitious) to be of interest for other DCML
readers.
Oh, and to be half on-topic: Soeren wrote:
> Do I find any of your manuscripts on the Internet, although
> it would be
> so neatly protected by some default law. I guess not. (not to mention
> the fact that I'd personally love to read them :-)
Soeren, have a look at the things Don is doing, as he mentions in his
e-mails:
> Today in Toons: Every day's an anniversary
> http://www.toonopedia.com/today.htm
Quote: "?2002 Donald D. Markstein." 8-)
--Harry.
people use words like:
> Who the HELL do you think you are?
Calm down, please. Disagreeing about things by e-mail is not easy. I am
convinced that Don is quite a nice guy (though I never met him), and I know
that Soeren is quite a nice guy too. Soeren's ideas may be wrong (in this
case), but he's not the anarchist that he appears to be. 8-)
Anyway, I think it's time to discuss this matter further in private mail. It
has become too off-topic (and repetitious) to be of interest for other DCML
readers.
Oh, and to be half on-topic: Soeren wrote:
> Do I find any of your manuscripts on the Internet, although
> it would be
> so neatly protected by some default law. I guess not. (not to mention
> the fact that I'd personally love to read them :-)
Soeren, have a look at the things Don is doing, as he mentions in his
e-mails:
> Today in Toons: Every day's an anniversary
> http://www.toonopedia.com/today.htm
Quote: "?2002 Donald D. Markstein." 8-)
--Harry.
Sigvald
The Dream of a Lifetime
Message 65 -
2002-11-05 at 14:09:15
Hi all!
Can anyone please tell me exactly when Don Rosa's story
"The Dream of a Lifetime" will be published in Scandinavia?
Sigvald :-)
Can anyone please tell me exactly when Don Rosa's story
"The Dream of a Lifetime" will be published in Scandinavia?
Sigvald :-)
Kai Saarto
The Dream of a Lifetime
Message 66 -
2002-11-05 at 14:18:50
sigvald at duckburg.dk wrote:
> Hi all!
>
> Can anyone please tell me exactly when Don Rosa's story
> "The Dream of a Lifetime" will be published in Scandinavia?
Last I heard from staff of Finnish Aku Ankka was that one Rosa story
will be published either late this year or early 2003. It's not certain
that this will be "Dream" as it _could_ be also "The Treasure of Ten
Avatars".
-Kai Saarto
http:/www.perunamaa.net/donrosa
> Hi all!
>
> Can anyone please tell me exactly when Don Rosa's story
> "The Dream of a Lifetime" will be published in Scandinavia?
Last I heard from staff of Finnish Aku Ankka was that one Rosa story
will be published either late this year or early 2003. It's not certain
that this will be "Dream" as it _could_ be also "The Treasure of Ten
Avatars".
-Kai Saarto
http:/www.perunamaa.net/donrosa
H.W.Fluks
About unpublished material
Message 67 -
2002-11-05 at 14:37:25
Gilles wrote:
> So I only use to consider the *masters*'s unpublished ideas,
> when it's possible...
I think that about sums up the ideas here: published material is more
important than unpublished material, but things Barks did are *always* more
important that things that other people did.
Ergo: unpublisheed Barks stuff is more important than *published* non-Barks
stuff.
That's at least what Gilles and Sigvald seem to find. And this does not
contradict Lars's points of view, if you're willing to regard Barks an
exception.
--Harry.
> So I only use to consider the *masters*'s unpublished ideas,
> when it's possible...
I think that about sums up the ideas here: published material is more
important than unpublished material, but things Barks did are *always* more
important that things that other people did.
Ergo: unpublisheed Barks stuff is more important than *published* non-Barks
stuff.
That's at least what Gilles and Sigvald seem to find. And this does not
contradict Lars's points of view, if you're willing to regard Barks an
exception.
--Harry.
Sigvald
The Dream of a Lifetime
Message 68 -
2002-11-05 at 14:43:15
Kai Saarto <ksaarto at mbnet.fi> wrote:
>
> sigvald at duckburg.dk wrote:
>
>> Hi all!
>>
>> Can anyone please tell me exactly when Don Rosa's story
>> "The Dream of a Lifetime" will be published in Scandinavia?
>
> Last I heard from staff of Finnish Aku Ankka was that one
> Rosa story will be published either late this year or early
> 2003. It's not certain that this will be "Dream" as it
> _could_ be also "The Treasure of Ten Avatars".
That one is allready published in Norway, Denmark and Sweden
in much less than 10 years ago, so it's not likely that it will
published again so quick here.
I can also ensure you that our Danish and Swedish friends
much rather would like to see a reprint of "Cashflow" instead.
Sigvald :-)
>
> sigvald at duckburg.dk wrote:
>
>> Hi all!
>>
>> Can anyone please tell me exactly when Don Rosa's story
>> "The Dream of a Lifetime" will be published in Scandinavia?
>
> Last I heard from staff of Finnish Aku Ankka was that one
> Rosa story will be published either late this year or early
> 2003. It's not certain that this will be "Dream" as it
> _could_ be also "The Treasure of Ten Avatars".
That one is allready published in Norway, Denmark and Sweden
in much less than 10 years ago, so it's not likely that it will
published again so quick here.
I can also ensure you that our Danish and Swedish friends
much rather would like to see a reprint of "Cashflow" instead.
Sigvald :-)
Michael Schartau
Thieves or...
Message 69 -
2002-11-05 at 15:08:28
----- Original Message -----
From: S?ren Krarup Olesen
To: Disney Comics Mailing List
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: Thieves or...
And again: What law exactly are we talking about here? If you wish to
control your work, stay out of the Internet. Another possibility is if
you wish to earn money from whatever you do via the net, but that's a
completely different ball game.
*********************
We are talking about national laws. Meaning they are different in each country. If You violate the copyright You could be prosecuted. It all depends if the violated person or company think it worth the trouble and cost. In some countrys the laws have been changet to fit the new media. In others there is still some "grey zones".
Even using the word Volvo could cost You, if You take advantage of it, comercially.
I belong to an other mailgroup here in Sweden and there it is clearly pointed out that you may not put other peoples pictures or text in yout own mail without permission, exept for short quotes with notification of the source.
To share information is not the same as to copy and publish as your own. I think Disney only accepts the fan-sites to copy their work because it is non-profitable use.
/Michael
From: S?ren Krarup Olesen
To: Disney Comics Mailing List
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: Thieves or...
And again: What law exactly are we talking about here? If you wish to
control your work, stay out of the Internet. Another possibility is if
you wish to earn money from whatever you do via the net, but that's a
completely different ball game.
*********************
We are talking about national laws. Meaning they are different in each country. If You violate the copyright You could be prosecuted. It all depends if the violated person or company think it worth the trouble and cost. In some countrys the laws have been changet to fit the new media. In others there is still some "grey zones".
Even using the word Volvo could cost You, if You take advantage of it, comercially.
I belong to an other mailgroup here in Sweden and there it is clearly pointed out that you may not put other peoples pictures or text in yout own mail without permission, exept for short quotes with notification of the source.
To share information is not the same as to copy and publish as your own. I think Disney only accepts the fan-sites to copy their work because it is non-profitable use.
/Michael
Paolo Castagno
Newsletter I.N.D.U.C.K.S. and Yahoogroups
Message 70 -
2002-11-05 at 19:24:25
Hello,
As some of you maybe already aware, I'm running (with the help of
some other guys) an I.N.D.U.C.K.S. related newsletter, where are
reported (monthly) the various news from the Disney Comics world.
To run this newsletter I use the free services from Yahoogroups, but
now it seems that it is haveing some problems: many of the
subscribers didn't received the last issue, and it all depends by a
sort of auto-unsubscripton made by Yahoo for error, so if you are
(were?) subscribers of this newsletter, you better take a look to
your subscription status within next days, since the new issue is
going to be send very soon.
Ciao and thanks,
- Paolo
p.s.: if you're not a subscriber, take a look at
http://digilander.iol.it/inducks/newsl.htm thanks.
http://digilander.libero.it/inducks mailto:p.castagno at libero.it
As some of you maybe already aware, I'm running (with the help of
some other guys) an I.N.D.U.C.K.S. related newsletter, where are
reported (monthly) the various news from the Disney Comics world.
To run this newsletter I use the free services from Yahoogroups, but
now it seems that it is haveing some problems: many of the
subscribers didn't received the last issue, and it all depends by a
sort of auto-unsubscripton made by Yahoo for error, so if you are
(were?) subscribers of this newsletter, you better take a look to
your subscription status within next days, since the new issue is
going to be send very soon.
Ciao and thanks,
- Paolo
p.s.: if you're not a subscriber, take a look at
http://digilander.iol.it/inducks/newsl.htm thanks.
http://digilander.libero.it/inducks mailto:p.castagno at libero.it
H.W.Fluks
Dutch Donald Duck weekly exists 50 years
Message 71 -
2002-11-05 at 19:59:27
Timo translated:
> "Nobody Donald - except hijzelf perhaps - heldhaftig will call."
> hijzelf? = himself? heldhaftig?
"Nobody - except maybe he himself - will call Donald heroic."
--Harry.
("Ventilator of Shoe" - another automatic translation, meaning "fan of
Scarpa")
> "Nobody Donald - except hijzelf perhaps - heldhaftig will call."
> hijzelf? = himself? heldhaftig?
"Nobody - except maybe he himself - will call Donald heroic."
--Harry.
("Ventilator of Shoe" - another automatic translation, meaning "fan of
Scarpa")
Timo Ronkainen
Dutch Donald Duck weekly exists 50 years
Message 72 -
2002-11-05 at 22:17:18
> > hijzelf? = himself? heldhaftig?
>"Nobody - except maybe he himself - will call Donald heroic."
Thanks!
>("Ventilator of Shoe" - another automatic translation, meaning "fan of
>Scarpa")
:-D
Yes, I'm a big ventilator of Shoe! :-)
Timo
^^''*''^^
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>"Nobody - except maybe he himself - will call Donald heroic."
Thanks!
>("Ventilator of Shoe" - another automatic translation, meaning "fan of
>Scarpa")
:-D
Yes, I'm a big ventilator of Shoe! :-)
Timo
^^''*''^^
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Anders Christian Siveb¾k
Rosa calendar
Message 73 -
2002-11-05 at 22:38:26
Hi all
Wow, I'm finally catching up with all the dcml-digests I've been putting
aside for the last week or so. I've
had extremely many things to do for ... well, since august really. I'm on
3rd year of my college education
for being teacher - it's hard you know...
I don't think i need to take side in the discussions I've read here. - I
see you all as my friends, many of you have
been so, at least online-wise, since 1998. I've seen DCML as the best
group of friends I had during high school
and my one year break. Here at the college I've found many friends too,
and as i told here this summer, I've also
met one who i so much wish would become more than "just a friend" - but
never mind that.
No matter how relevant licenses, copyrights, virusses and such is for the
list, it's never been the main subject for me on
this list. This is about disney comics, which i've loved to read for as
long as I remember.
These comics bring some products with them - and some even hit the danish
stands. E.g. a Don Rosa calendar 2003
(It's registered as that in databases in bookstores). I'm hoping to get my
hands on some copies of this calendar,
eg. for some friends i've meet via this list.
It has a great cover, 12 reprints of Picsou pin-ups amnd texts by Don
about all 12 pin-ups. In the ad for it, it says
that some are related to Don's childhood. - No matter what I look forward
to get them, and hope the bookstore will get the
ones they ordered from egmont. (The cooperation between Egmont and danish
bookstore is not very good, if even existing)
Another thing is a christmas book with Barks-stories. I don't know much
about that one yet.
Now, I'm barricading myself, as i will maybe here from some of you about
this. - And sure I will get you a calendar or a book -
if you either get me something nice in return, or for once I'll offer to
take cash - only to cover my costs of course.
(I usually prefer to get comics or other related things in return - that's
so much funnier than greenbacks)
Seeya
Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist
Wow, I'm finally catching up with all the dcml-digests I've been putting
aside for the last week or so. I've
had extremely many things to do for ... well, since august really. I'm on
3rd year of my college education
for being teacher - it's hard you know...
I don't think i need to take side in the discussions I've read here. - I
see you all as my friends, many of you have
been so, at least online-wise, since 1998. I've seen DCML as the best
group of friends I had during high school
and my one year break. Here at the college I've found many friends too,
and as i told here this summer, I've also
met one who i so much wish would become more than "just a friend" - but
never mind that.
No matter how relevant licenses, copyrights, virusses and such is for the
list, it's never been the main subject for me on
this list. This is about disney comics, which i've loved to read for as
long as I remember.
These comics bring some products with them - and some even hit the danish
stands. E.g. a Don Rosa calendar 2003
(It's registered as that in databases in bookstores). I'm hoping to get my
hands on some copies of this calendar,
eg. for some friends i've meet via this list.
It has a great cover, 12 reprints of Picsou pin-ups amnd texts by Don
about all 12 pin-ups. In the ad for it, it says
that some are related to Don's childhood. - No matter what I look forward
to get them, and hope the bookstore will get the
ones they ordered from egmont. (The cooperation between Egmont and danish
bookstore is not very good, if even existing)
Another thing is a christmas book with Barks-stories. I don't know much
about that one yet.
Now, I'm barricading myself, as i will maybe here from some of you about
this. - And sure I will get you a calendar or a book -
if you either get me something nice in return, or for once I'll offer to
take cash - only to cover my costs of course.
(I usually prefer to get comics or other related things in return - that's
so much funnier than greenbacks)
Seeya
Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist
Anders Christian Siveb¾k
Christmas Spirit
Message 74 -
2002-11-05 at 23:12:16
NILS
>
>
>I have only been on the list for a few months, so I don't know if this
>has
>been discussed before:
i am not sure - i know that we have talked about the matter on either the
norwegian or swedish list about
this topic.
>
>Every December I read A Christmas for Shacktown and all the other Barks
>Christmas classics. It's a tradition. This year I'll read them to my
>grandson for the first time (he is four).
What an extremely nice tradition! I wish i had a son to do the same to.
>
>I seem to remember another great Christmas story which was very much in
>the
>Barks spirit. Donald is a forest ranger and tries desperateley to get
>home
>for Christmas. I think it was drawn by Vicar. Does anybody know the story
>code?
I'm glad my friends here helped with that.
I seem to remember how Christmas in my youth was always made extra special
by the
Duck weekly.
On the cover, Donald was wearing an elf-hat (you know, red with white band)
Inside every splash panel was somehow filled with christmas spirit. Holly,
mistletoe, balls
and stars, snow - all those small things that make the spirit.
i especially remember (and recommend) A letter to Santa (CP 1 by ol' Carl)
-
I read two parts of it in the middle fot he 80'es and all over are these
bits of hollies, balls and such.
Between panels - the guy knew how to make us feel the spirit. I later
found the last part,
and I remember wuite a nice pin-up from Picsou illustrating the story.
http://donrosa.free.fr/images/picsou323.jpg
(Thanks to Jano's pages)
>
>And can anyone on the list suggest other good non-Barks Xmas stories
>featuring Donlad or $crooge?
Well, go to a second-hand shop and find Christmas issues from the last
years. usually thewre are some
very splendid ones inbetween.
I also remember a new years story with a very nice ending. - I'll try to
find it, but I'll tell that some event brings
the duck family very close together. "We have eachother - that's enough"
(BTW i also wrote about this in the third preface for the 3rd 1955-reprint
- it will come out around Christmas too :-)
>I know it's a little early, but ...
It's not a bit too early - look at all the warehouses and malls. They
started maybe even long ago celebrating their
commercial form of Christmas. Buy buy buy it says... - and then it's all
about being together with your loved ones,
doing nice things for others, behaving like a human really should do.
>
Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist
>
>
>I have only been on the list for a few months, so I don't know if this
>has
>been discussed before:
i am not sure - i know that we have talked about the matter on either the
norwegian or swedish list about
this topic.
>
>Every December I read A Christmas for Shacktown and all the other Barks
>Christmas classics. It's a tradition. This year I'll read them to my
>grandson for the first time (he is four).
What an extremely nice tradition! I wish i had a son to do the same to.
>
>I seem to remember another great Christmas story which was very much in
>the
>Barks spirit. Donald is a forest ranger and tries desperateley to get
>home
>for Christmas. I think it was drawn by Vicar. Does anybody know the story
>code?
I'm glad my friends here helped with that.
I seem to remember how Christmas in my youth was always made extra special
by the
Duck weekly.
On the cover, Donald was wearing an elf-hat (you know, red with white band)
Inside every splash panel was somehow filled with christmas spirit. Holly,
mistletoe, balls
and stars, snow - all those small things that make the spirit.
i especially remember (and recommend) A letter to Santa (CP 1 by ol' Carl)
-
I read two parts of it in the middle fot he 80'es and all over are these
bits of hollies, balls and such.
Between panels - the guy knew how to make us feel the spirit. I later
found the last part,
and I remember wuite a nice pin-up from Picsou illustrating the story.
http://donrosa.free.fr/images/picsou323.jpg
(Thanks to Jano's pages)
>
>And can anyone on the list suggest other good non-Barks Xmas stories
>featuring Donlad or $crooge?
Well, go to a second-hand shop and find Christmas issues from the last
years. usually thewre are some
very splendid ones inbetween.
I also remember a new years story with a very nice ending. - I'll try to
find it, but I'll tell that some event brings
the duck family very close together. "We have eachother - that's enough"
(BTW i also wrote about this in the third preface for the 3rd 1955-reprint
- it will come out around Christmas too :-)
>I know it's a little early, but ...
It's not a bit too early - look at all the warehouses and malls. They
started maybe even long ago celebrating their
commercial form of Christmas. Buy buy buy it says... - and then it's all
about being together with your loved ones,
doing nice things for others, behaving like a human really should do.
>
Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist
Xephyr
HooZoo
Message 75 -
2002-11-05 at 23:27:15
Simon de Beer asks:
> I know I should have paid attention to earlier postings
> but is there any way I can get access to the HooZoo
> character data. I am having a little trouble finding it.
I've noticed that the "Mathstar" site is no longer accessible,
but, for those interested, I have made a "text only" interim
site available at URL:
http://users.cwnet.com/xephyr/rich/dzone/hoozoo/hoozoo.html
This location is not commonly known since it has only
recently been uploaded there.
As stated before, it is not updated, but it actually does
contain more data than was on the Mathstar site, which was
maintained by someone (I forget at the moment) who was kind
enough to salvage the earlier version of the site before
my ISP trashed mine.
I'm in the process (I know, long worn out record) of updating
and revising the format of the HooZoo, with some help from
others on the List.
Hopefully it will make it's re-entry to the WWW soon.
Thanks,
Rich Bellacera
xephyr at cwnet.com
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> I know I should have paid attention to earlier postings
> but is there any way I can get access to the HooZoo
> character data. I am having a little trouble finding it.
I've noticed that the "Mathstar" site is no longer accessible,
but, for those interested, I have made a "text only" interim
site available at URL:
http://users.cwnet.com/xephyr/rich/dzone/hoozoo/hoozoo.html
This location is not commonly known since it has only
recently been uploaded there.
As stated before, it is not updated, but it actually does
contain more data than was on the Mathstar site, which was
maintained by someone (I forget at the moment) who was kind
enough to salvage the earlier version of the site before
my ISP trashed mine.
I'm in the process (I know, long worn out record) of updating
and revising the format of the HooZoo, with some help from
others on the List.
Hopefully it will make it's re-entry to the WWW soon.
Thanks,
Rich Bellacera
xephyr at cwnet.com
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