Rob Klein:
> So! Gyro's great grandfather (Neco Pardal) was alive during Gyro's
adulthood?
Probably not. The mentioned story (B 890020) shows that Neco Pardal was
an old man in 1889, I'd say 60 years old (but very fit indeed). If Gyro's
adulthood was in the 50s (according to Don Rosa, just to put some
continuity to the matter), then Neco Pardal would be about 110 years
old then! But nothing is impossible in comics...
Just for information, "Neco" is a short for "Maneco", which is
a nickname for "Manoel". So, the real name of Neco Pardal
is actually Manoel Pardal (or Manoel Gearloose...)
> He must be the father of Barks' Ratchet Gearloose (grandfather of Gyro).
Not necessarily... Gyro has four great-grandfathers,
so the chances are 25% that "my" Neco Pardal was Ratchet's father.
Personally,
I like to think he is not.
Ratchet was a contemporary of the YOUNG Scrooge. That means
> neco is old enough to be Scrooge's father!!!
...Ratchet's father, you mean? See answer above.
> Regarding the lookalike cousin of Scrooge, who is a beggar: I seem to
recall
> something similar in the early 1960s (or very late 1950s), drawn by Jack
> Bradbury. It was a story with a bum (beggar) that looked just like
Scrooge. I
> don't think he was related to Scrooge. I believe it was an S-coded story.
I don't remember that story... but this look-alike bum could be the
same character, reused later in those S-coded stories of the 70s.
Fernando, about the beggar cousin:
> He's called Nadinhas or Galt?rio here in Brazil, right?
> I've put an scan of him here:
> http://www.inducks.hpg.com.br//Imagens/Nadinhas.jpg
Oh, yes, I forgot to mention his Brazilian names.
Does anybody know his English name?
-----
Still talking about relatives, there are many other
ancestors in Brazilian stories. For instance,
only in the series "History of Duckburg" from the
early 80s we can find at least a dozen of them:
ancestors of the Ducks, Carioca, O'Hara, Mickey,
Goofy, Pete, Phantom Blot, Beagle Boys, etc...,
from prehistorical ages to the 1930s.
-- Arthur.
(Just wondering... has Goofy a surname?)
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Arthur Faria Jr.
Scrooge's dubbelganger/Gyro's Great Grandfather
Message 421 -
2002-11-21 at 07:03:40
Kriton Kyrimis
USA Disney Comics?
Message 422 -
2002-11-21 at 09:06:40
L. SCHULTE:
> It would be
> great if they start an all-Don Rosa series like the German/Ehapa one.
It would be great if they *didn't*--at least not until they figure out
a way to pay Don his much deserved royalties!
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
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"To err is computer."
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> It would be
> great if they start an all-Don Rosa series like the German/Ehapa one.
It would be great if they *didn't*--at least not until they figure out
a way to pay Don his much deserved royalties!
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
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"To err is computer."
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Lgiver
Resuming publication of Disney comics in USA?
Message 423 -
2002-11-21 at 10:35:23
Could it finally happen? I was a subscriber to Gladstone comics;
here's the message to their subscribers printed on the inside back
cover of their last issue of WDC&S (#633, Feb. 1999):
"Subscribers: do not panic! Your subscriptions will be
fulfilled, excepting a short delay, or money owed will be refunded
in full. That's a promise. You will be kept informed!"
So, after this "short" delay, I expect Gladstone will turn over
their list of subscribers to the new publisher, who will resume
my subscription, since Gladstone never sent a refund (having
maintained faith that eventually a new publisher would take over).
----Larry Giver.
here's the message to their subscribers printed on the inside back
cover of their last issue of WDC&S (#633, Feb. 1999):
"Subscribers: do not panic! Your subscriptions will be
fulfilled, excepting a short delay, or money owed will be refunded
in full. That's a promise. You will be kept informed!"
So, after this "short" delay, I expect Gladstone will turn over
their list of subscribers to the new publisher, who will resume
my subscription, since Gladstone never sent a refund (having
maintained faith that eventually a new publisher would take over).
----Larry Giver.
Sigvald
Scrooge's dubbelganger/Gyro's Great Grandfather
Message 424 -
2002-11-21 at 11:45:29
"Arthur Faria Jr." wrote:
>> So! Gyro's great grandfather (Neco Pardal) was alive during
>> Gyro's adulthood?
>
> Probably not. The mentioned story (B 890020) shows that
> Neco Pardal was an old man in 1889, I'd say 60 years old
> (but very fit indeed). If Gyro's adulthood was in the 50s
> (according to Don Rosa, just to put some continuity to the
> matter), then Neco Pardal would be about 110 years
> old then! But nothing is impossible in comics...
You seems to be right when it comes to the age of Gyro's
Great Grandfather. Based on a normal lenght of a generation
and what we can see in Don Rosa's stories I would guess this:
a) Gyro Gearloose (born between 1920-1925)
b) Fulton Gearloose (born between 1890-1895)
c) Ratchet Gearloose (born between 1860-1865)
d) (Manuel?) Gearloose (born between 1830-1835)
> Just for information, "Neco" is a short for "Maneco", which
> is a nickname for "Manoel". So, the real name of Neco Pardal
> is actually Manoel Pardal (or Manoel Gearloose...)
Wouldn't that be written "Manuel" in English?
> He must be the father of Barks' Ratchet Gearloose
> (grandfather of Gyro).
>
> Not necessarily... Gyro has four great-grandfathers,
Yes, but how many of them will have the same family-name?
Did more than one of your great grandfathers have Faria as
his family name?
> so the chances are 25% that "my" Neco Pardal was Ratchet's
> father. Personally, I like to think he is not.
As long as he has the same family name I'll say there would
be more than 90% chanse that he would be. Unless you regards
"Gearloose" to be as common as "Duck" in the this universe.
Sigvald :-)
>> So! Gyro's great grandfather (Neco Pardal) was alive during
>> Gyro's adulthood?
>
> Probably not. The mentioned story (B 890020) shows that
> Neco Pardal was an old man in 1889, I'd say 60 years old
> (but very fit indeed). If Gyro's adulthood was in the 50s
> (according to Don Rosa, just to put some continuity to the
> matter), then Neco Pardal would be about 110 years
> old then! But nothing is impossible in comics...
You seems to be right when it comes to the age of Gyro's
Great Grandfather. Based on a normal lenght of a generation
and what we can see in Don Rosa's stories I would guess this:
a) Gyro Gearloose (born between 1920-1925)
b) Fulton Gearloose (born between 1890-1895)
c) Ratchet Gearloose (born between 1860-1865)
d) (Manuel?) Gearloose (born between 1830-1835)
> Just for information, "Neco" is a short for "Maneco", which
> is a nickname for "Manoel". So, the real name of Neco Pardal
> is actually Manoel Pardal (or Manoel Gearloose...)
Wouldn't that be written "Manuel" in English?
> He must be the father of Barks' Ratchet Gearloose
> (grandfather of Gyro).
>
> Not necessarily... Gyro has four great-grandfathers,
Yes, but how many of them will have the same family-name?
Did more than one of your great grandfathers have Faria as
his family name?
> so the chances are 25% that "my" Neco Pardal was Ratchet's
> father. Personally, I like to think he is not.
As long as he has the same family name I'll say there would
be more than 90% chanse that he would be. Unless you regards
"Gearloose" to be as common as "Duck" in the this universe.
Sigvald :-)
Goofy313g
Duck Family Tree, Patrusco, Manuel Gearloose, Goofy's surname,...
Message 425 -
2002-11-21 at 12:18:23
Hi!!!
Thanks for the scans, Arthur, and thanks to all the people
who helped me!!! could I use the other pictures you provide
in the "ancestors" folder???
Just a question about them :where do Clementina, Pat la
Tinhas, and pat von concius come from (story codes)
About the links in the family tree, I also want to put the
love interrests in it... So we'll have, in the order :
Humperdink Dabney "Grandpa" DUCK, Elvira "Elviry" "Grandma Duck"
COOT, and Patrusco Duck.. I decide to show his sister and
her lover too, so i'll need
to have a mr ? duck as their father...(if you don't
understand, take a look at my Duck family tree, and see for
instance how is scrooge both related to Goldie and Bridgitta.
That'll be the same fot Grandma and her two love interrests,
grandpa and patrusco... (Do you think i should call him Patrusco
or Patrick???)
About Daisy, i think she is a distant relative of Donald's
(Humperdink's uncle's great granddaughter, if i recall well).
Don rosa told Duck was a comon name in Duckburg, such as Jones,
for instace, so we could assume that Patrusco isn't related
to OUR ducks, or at leat, very distantly...so the chances for
him to be ratchet's father are
100%, except if they use to marry between cousins, in the
gearloose family (i don't think gearloose is a common name
in Duckburg)
About the series "history of Duckburg", i have one episode,
with various relatives/ancestors to mickey, Goofy, Moe,....
But they are background characters, except for Federico von
Pato (ludwig's cousin), and gyro's grandpa. In the same story,
which takes places in 1900 in duckburg, we also see young
scrooge, who seems to be on his 20 or 30...
About Goofy's surname, it's a looooooong story...
In goof troop, his last name is Goof, in the Geef shorts,
it's Geef (Georges G. Geef), in "a goofy movie", it's "Goofey"
(note the "e"),in his early life, it was Dawg (Dippy Dawg)...
(there was also "Marley "(Jacob Marley), mr Biker, Mr X, Mr Wheeler,
and Mr Walker, in cartoons)
In my Goofy Family Tree, I chose to call him Georges "Goofy" G. Goofey...
But In comics, he has always been and will always stay Goofy :-)
About Neco Pardal, he MUST be Ratchet's father, or he wouldn't carry
the name Pardal (Gearloose)
Thanks for the scans, Arthur, and thanks to all the people
who helped me!!! could I use the other pictures you provide
in the "ancestors" folder???
Just a question about them :where do Clementina, Pat la
Tinhas, and pat von concius come from (story codes)
About the links in the family tree, I also want to put the
love interrests in it... So we'll have, in the order :
Humperdink Dabney "Grandpa" DUCK, Elvira "Elviry" "Grandma Duck"
COOT, and Patrusco Duck.. I decide to show his sister and
her lover too, so i'll need
to have a mr ? duck as their father...(if you don't
understand, take a look at my Duck family tree, and see for
instance how is scrooge both related to Goldie and Bridgitta.
That'll be the same fot Grandma and her two love interrests,
grandpa and patrusco... (Do you think i should call him Patrusco
or Patrick???)
About Daisy, i think she is a distant relative of Donald's
(Humperdink's uncle's great granddaughter, if i recall well).
Don rosa told Duck was a comon name in Duckburg, such as Jones,
for instace, so we could assume that Patrusco isn't related
to OUR ducks, or at leat, very distantly...so the chances for
him to be ratchet's father are
100%, except if they use to marry between cousins, in the
gearloose family (i don't think gearloose is a common name
in Duckburg)
About the series "history of Duckburg", i have one episode,
with various relatives/ancestors to mickey, Goofy, Moe,....
But they are background characters, except for Federico von
Pato (ludwig's cousin), and gyro's grandpa. In the same story,
which takes places in 1900 in duckburg, we also see young
scrooge, who seems to be on his 20 or 30...
About Goofy's surname, it's a looooooong story...
In goof troop, his last name is Goof, in the Geef shorts,
it's Geef (Georges G. Geef), in "a goofy movie", it's "Goofey"
(note the "e"),in his early life, it was Dawg (Dippy Dawg)...
(there was also "Marley "(Jacob Marley), mr Biker, Mr X, Mr Wheeler,
and Mr Walker, in cartoons)
In my Goofy Family Tree, I chose to call him Georges "Goofy" G. Goofey...
But In comics, he has always been and will always stay Goofy :-)
About Neco Pardal, he MUST be Ratchet's father, or he wouldn't carry
the name Pardal (Gearloose)
Vic Pratt
Canon fodder
Message 426 -
2002-11-21 at 14:27:19
Hello everybody...
Lars wrote:
"I think you're confusing the terms "canon" and
"universe". As far as I
understand it, "canon" means whether or not a story
actually happened."
This is not what "canon" means. In a literary sense, a
canon is a body of work, or a set of writings,
accepted as definitive, or genuine. It has nothing to
do with "whether or not a story actually happened".
As far as I am aware, no Duck comic has "actually
happened". The stories are fictional.
Best wishes
VIC
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Lars wrote:
"I think you're confusing the terms "canon" and
"universe". As far as I
understand it, "canon" means whether or not a story
actually happened."
This is not what "canon" means. In a literary sense, a
canon is a body of work, or a set of writings,
accepted as definitive, or genuine. It has nothing to
do with "whether or not a story actually happened".
As far as I am aware, no Duck comic has "actually
happened". The stories are fictional.
Best wishes
VIC
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Fernando Ventura
Brazilian "In"Production...
Message 427 -
2002-11-21 at 17:18:53
Harry asked Arthur:
>I heard you talking about a stop before, presumably in 1998. Can I conclude
>that they started again in 1999, and stopped for the second time in 2001?
Yes, they stoped production in the end of 1997, when they fired the editor
Primaggio Mantovi and all the writers and artists. The only artist that
remained in Abril was Eli Leon.
In 1998, as far as I remember, Abril just produced some Hercules stories.
The few production from 1999 was mainly with Z? Carioca, and most of then
are draw by Leon. (There's also some Tarzan stories on that period)
In the end of 1999 the actual editor was Euclides Miyaura, and he started to
develop an totally new production, new comics (never concretizided) and new
artists. It's the "Studio's era", since most veteran Disney artists had
oppen their own Studios. But Miyaura doesn't received support from Abril's
managers.
The actual editor and editor in-chief doesn't look to care about Disney
Comics...
As a matter of fact, all the drop from the last decade can be seen as a
direct consequence from Waldyr Igayara's exit from Abril in 1989, since he
was able to impose and got respect from Editora Abril and Disney-Brazil
managers during the time he was editor.
I think Arthur can add some coments on this topic...
Fernando!
>I heard you talking about a stop before, presumably in 1998. Can I conclude
>that they started again in 1999, and stopped for the second time in 2001?
Yes, they stoped production in the end of 1997, when they fired the editor
Primaggio Mantovi and all the writers and artists. The only artist that
remained in Abril was Eli Leon.
In 1998, as far as I remember, Abril just produced some Hercules stories.
The few production from 1999 was mainly with Z? Carioca, and most of then
are draw by Leon. (There's also some Tarzan stories on that period)
In the end of 1999 the actual editor was Euclides Miyaura, and he started to
develop an totally new production, new comics (never concretizided) and new
artists. It's the "Studio's era", since most veteran Disney artists had
oppen their own Studios. But Miyaura doesn't received support from Abril's
managers.
The actual editor and editor in-chief doesn't look to care about Disney
Comics...
As a matter of fact, all the drop from the last decade can be seen as a
direct consequence from Waldyr Igayara's exit from Abril in 1989, since he
was able to impose and got respect from Editora Abril and Disney-Brazil
managers during the time he was editor.
I think Arthur can add some coments on this topic...
Fernando!
Xephyr
Gilles: Goofy Family Tree
Message 428 -
2002-11-21 at 19:05:36
Gilles said:
> In goof troop, his last name is Goof, in the Geef shorts,
> it's Geef (Georges G. Geef), in "a goofy movie", it's "Goofey"
> (note the "e"),in his early life, it was Dawg (Dippy Dawg)...
> (there was also "Marley "(Jacob Marley), mr Biker, Mr X, Mr Wheeler,
> and Mr Walker, in cartoons)
> In my Goofy Family Tree, I chose to call him Georges "Goofy" G. Goofey...
> But In comics, he has always been and will always stay Goofy :-)
Actually, there should be no "s" in "George." Also, I notice you have
Glory-Bee's hair colored red or auburn, but in every comic I've seen
her, in the USA, Italian and Brazilian, it's always colored yellow or
blonde. I have not seen how she is depicted in French comics, so you
might be using a French comic to color her hair? I also noted you call
her "Penny." If this is to match her to the Penny character from Minnie
'n Me, I think this is not correct. There is absolutely no similarity
between Penny and Glory-Bee. True, Penny is a bit "goofy", but she is
mostly a tom-boy and a sports fanatic. Glory-Bee is just a bit of an
air-head (perhaps naive is a better way to put it?) and has show absolutely
no interest in sports. Penny seems to prefer sweats and sneakers while
Glory-Bee has always dressed much more feminine. I don't think there's
enough evidence to conclude that Glory-Bee and Penny could be the same
character. This does not mean that "Penny" could not be Max's mom, though.
Penny still has all the physical characteristics to have grown up to
be the woman Goofy married in the GEEF shorts, and her auburn/red hair
and nose still matched the red hair and nose Goofy Junior had. But this
is still just speculation since GEEF what supposedly just a "role" Goofy
played in those movies (or was it??? ;-). The only similarity between
Mrs. Geef and Glory-Bee, IMHO, was their figure. Glory-Bee is a tall,
slender and sexy character, and, based on the obscure images we get to
see of Mrs. Geef, so is she.
There is a character named Penelope (for which "Penny" would be a shortened
form) who appeared in the cartoon short, "Knight for a Day" who was a
mideviel Princess whom Goofy attempted to save. Of course she looked
exactly like Goofy, albeit with a blonde wig.
Finally, I noticed you are also missing some relatives of Goofy's. First,
there's his "Aunt Tessie" who is a recurring character in Italian and
Brazilian comics. Then, there are his uncle Gideon or "Uncle Giddy" who
runs a newspaper, from a few comic stories, and his uncle Ophal Dizzy, whom
I've only seen once in a very old WDC&S. Finally there's Grandma Goofy who
has appeared a few times. I will try to get a picture of some of them for
you.
Hope this helps,
Rich Bellacera
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> In goof troop, his last name is Goof, in the Geef shorts,
> it's Geef (Georges G. Geef), in "a goofy movie", it's "Goofey"
> (note the "e"),in his early life, it was Dawg (Dippy Dawg)...
> (there was also "Marley "(Jacob Marley), mr Biker, Mr X, Mr Wheeler,
> and Mr Walker, in cartoons)
> In my Goofy Family Tree, I chose to call him Georges "Goofy" G. Goofey...
> But In comics, he has always been and will always stay Goofy :-)
Actually, there should be no "s" in "George." Also, I notice you have
Glory-Bee's hair colored red or auburn, but in every comic I've seen
her, in the USA, Italian and Brazilian, it's always colored yellow or
blonde. I have not seen how she is depicted in French comics, so you
might be using a French comic to color her hair? I also noted you call
her "Penny." If this is to match her to the Penny character from Minnie
'n Me, I think this is not correct. There is absolutely no similarity
between Penny and Glory-Bee. True, Penny is a bit "goofy", but she is
mostly a tom-boy and a sports fanatic. Glory-Bee is just a bit of an
air-head (perhaps naive is a better way to put it?) and has show absolutely
no interest in sports. Penny seems to prefer sweats and sneakers while
Glory-Bee has always dressed much more feminine. I don't think there's
enough evidence to conclude that Glory-Bee and Penny could be the same
character. This does not mean that "Penny" could not be Max's mom, though.
Penny still has all the physical characteristics to have grown up to
be the woman Goofy married in the GEEF shorts, and her auburn/red hair
and nose still matched the red hair and nose Goofy Junior had. But this
is still just speculation since GEEF what supposedly just a "role" Goofy
played in those movies (or was it??? ;-). The only similarity between
Mrs. Geef and Glory-Bee, IMHO, was their figure. Glory-Bee is a tall,
slender and sexy character, and, based on the obscure images we get to
see of Mrs. Geef, so is she.
There is a character named Penelope (for which "Penny" would be a shortened
form) who appeared in the cartoon short, "Knight for a Day" who was a
mideviel Princess whom Goofy attempted to save. Of course she looked
exactly like Goofy, albeit with a blonde wig.
Finally, I noticed you are also missing some relatives of Goofy's. First,
there's his "Aunt Tessie" who is a recurring character in Italian and
Brazilian comics. Then, there are his uncle Gideon or "Uncle Giddy" who
runs a newspaper, from a few comic stories, and his uncle Ophal Dizzy, whom
I've only seen once in a very old WDC&S. Finally there's Grandma Goofy who
has appeared a few times. I will try to get a picture of some of them for
you.
Hope this helps,
Rich Bellacera
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New Disney comics
Message 429 -
2002-11-21 at 19:24:46
Morning All!
In reference to Sigvald's posting of the item about Disney comics from
Pulse in DCML digest, Vol 1 #1149, let me say this: I have looked it
over, and there doesn't appear to be anything in the item that I could
say was inaccurate, at least to how things stood when they probably
received their information. Beats me what the source of the information
was, though.
Gary
In reference to Sigvald's posting of the item about Disney comics from
Pulse in DCML digest, Vol 1 #1149, let me say this: I have looked it
over, and there doesn't appear to be anything in the item that I could
say was inaccurate, at least to how things stood when they probably
received their information. Beats me what the source of the information
was, though.
Gary
Xephyr
Characters from the Carioca Universe?
Message 430 -
2002-11-21 at 21:17:23
To our Brazilian Disney friends, or anyone else who can answer this,
Who would you consider to be among the most important secondary characters
in the Ze Carioca Universe?
I consider the primary important characters to be:
Jose Carioca (naturally)
Rosinha Vaz (Maria Vaz)
Nestor
Zico & Zeca
Afonsinho
Ze Gallo
Pedrao Feijoada
Morcego Verde (The Green Bat)
Among the secondary characters I think maybe these qualify:
Rocha Vaz
Gabi (Gabriela Vaz, Rosinha's niece)
ANACOZECA
Gilda (Nestor's girlfriend)
Supergalo
There are some characters with whom I am not familiar, such as Jose's dog,
Soneca and Rubinho, Nestor's nephew. As well as a plethora of Ze's cousins
(all looking almost like clones of Jose). If anyone has scans of these and
can explain how significant they are to the Carioca Universe, it would be
very helpful. Also, are there other minor, recurring characters who have
some importance to Jose and his companions?
Rosinha has apparently held a secret identity as Mulher-gatinha (apparently
a spoof of Batman's nemesis Catwoman) and as Arqueiro Misterioso (what does
"arqueiro" mean?). Does she use these disguises often (more than once?) and
how is she portrayed in the stories when she uses them? Is she a villain
or hero?
Thank you,
Rich Bellacera
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Who would you consider to be among the most important secondary characters
in the Ze Carioca Universe?
I consider the primary important characters to be:
Jose Carioca (naturally)
Rosinha Vaz (Maria Vaz)
Nestor
Zico & Zeca
Afonsinho
Ze Gallo
Pedrao Feijoada
Morcego Verde (The Green Bat)
Among the secondary characters I think maybe these qualify:
Rocha Vaz
Gabi (Gabriela Vaz, Rosinha's niece)
ANACOZECA
Gilda (Nestor's girlfriend)
Supergalo
There are some characters with whom I am not familiar, such as Jose's dog,
Soneca and Rubinho, Nestor's nephew. As well as a plethora of Ze's cousins
(all looking almost like clones of Jose). If anyone has scans of these and
can explain how significant they are to the Carioca Universe, it would be
very helpful. Also, are there other minor, recurring characters who have
some importance to Jose and his companions?
Rosinha has apparently held a secret identity as Mulher-gatinha (apparently
a spoof of Batman's nemesis Catwoman) and as Arqueiro Misterioso (what does
"arqueiro" mean?). Does she use these disguises often (more than once?) and
how is she portrayed in the stories when she uses them? Is she a villain
or hero?
Thank you,
Rich Bellacera
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H.W.Fluks
Great Uncle Asa Duck
Message 431 -
2002-11-21 at 21:41:39
Simon:
> Have you ever considered including Asa Duck in your Duck
> Family tree? He appears in an old Gold Key Donald Duck comic
> as Grandma Duck's Great Great Great Uncle and was claimed to
> be one of the 1st citizens of old Duckburg. [..] the issue is
> no. 185 (July 1977) and the story code is given as 90037-707.
> D.D. #185-775.
>
> I would love to know who the illustrator is. He seems to
> have done a huge amount of illustrating for Western although
> his style is not my favourite.
This is a reprint from DD #139 from 1971. The story's title is "Ye Olde
Duck's Diary", and the artist is Pete Alvarado. Alvarado is not *my*
favourite artist either.
--Harry.
> Have you ever considered including Asa Duck in your Duck
> Family tree? He appears in an old Gold Key Donald Duck comic
> as Grandma Duck's Great Great Great Uncle and was claimed to
> be one of the 1st citizens of old Duckburg. [..] the issue is
> no. 185 (July 1977) and the story code is given as 90037-707.
> D.D. #185-775.
>
> I would love to know who the illustrator is. He seems to
> have done a huge amount of illustrating for Western although
> his style is not my favourite.
This is a reprint from DD #139 from 1971. The story's title is "Ye Olde
Duck's Diary", and the artist is Pete Alvarado. Alvarado is not *my*
favourite artist either.
--Harry.
Arthur Faria Jr.
Brazil
Message 432 -
2002-11-21 at 21:50:44
Harry:
> Your Brazilian Inducks index lists:
> 288 stories in 1997
> 18 stories in 1998
> 100 stories in 1999
> 185 stories in 2000
> NO stories in 2001
> I only looked at the highest B-code number for each year.
>
> I heard you talking about a stop before, presumably in 1998. Can I
conclude
> that they started again in 1999, and stopped for the second time in 2001?
Abril's local production of Disney stories started timidly
in 1961/62 (before that they made just some covers and
promotional art, I believe), then re-started in 1967 to
a regular basis in 1971.
Then in September 1997 they stopped local production after
firing almost all the studio staff; those who remained
there tried to re-start the production in the end of
1998 using mainly freelancer writers and third-party
art studios; they stopped again (firing the rest of the
remaining staff) in October 2000. Since then, no more
local production. There are rumors about a new re-start
next year...
> Do you have any *reasons* for the Brazilian editors' policy?
Some reasons should be:
- Low profits (for a huge company's high standards);
- Lack of interest of the children for Disney comics
(and printing media in general, exception for
Abril's major competitor in this area, Maur?cio de Souza,
with his incredibly popular one-dimensional characters
and aggressive marketing strategy);
- It became too expensive to produce comics in Brazil.
It's easier and cheaper to buy and publish foreign
material (in a very small size, pixelated, using
computer lettering, not always matching the Brazilian
sense of humor and/or culture...)
Maybe other Brazilian list members have their
own opinions, corrections or additions on this matter...
-- Arthur.
> Your Brazilian Inducks index lists:
> 288 stories in 1997
> 18 stories in 1998
> 100 stories in 1999
> 185 stories in 2000
> NO stories in 2001
> I only looked at the highest B-code number for each year.
>
> I heard you talking about a stop before, presumably in 1998. Can I
conclude
> that they started again in 1999, and stopped for the second time in 2001?
Abril's local production of Disney stories started timidly
in 1961/62 (before that they made just some covers and
promotional art, I believe), then re-started in 1967 to
a regular basis in 1971.
Then in September 1997 they stopped local production after
firing almost all the studio staff; those who remained
there tried to re-start the production in the end of
1998 using mainly freelancer writers and third-party
art studios; they stopped again (firing the rest of the
remaining staff) in October 2000. Since then, no more
local production. There are rumors about a new re-start
next year...
> Do you have any *reasons* for the Brazilian editors' policy?
Some reasons should be:
- Low profits (for a huge company's high standards);
- Lack of interest of the children for Disney comics
(and printing media in general, exception for
Abril's major competitor in this area, Maur?cio de Souza,
with his incredibly popular one-dimensional characters
and aggressive marketing strategy);
- It became too expensive to produce comics in Brazil.
It's easier and cheaper to buy and publish foreign
material (in a very small size, pixelated, using
computer lettering, not always matching the Brazilian
sense of humor and/or culture...)
Maybe other Brazilian list members have their
own opinions, corrections or additions on this matter...
-- Arthur.
Stefan Persson
Dirty tricks and silliness
Message 433 -
2002-11-21 at 21:59:11
----- Original Message -----
From: <sigvald at duckburg.dk>
To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 11:26 PM
Subject: Re: Grandma/Ludwig/House of Mouse
> This is the second time someone here claims that I mean
> the opposite of what I am actually writing. I hope it is
> not some kind of dirty trick to make me look silly here?
Of course not, it's just you writing messages containing contradictions.
Besides, you would look silly in any case.
Stefan
From: <sigvald at duckburg.dk>
To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 11:26 PM
Subject: Re: Grandma/Ludwig/House of Mouse
> This is the second time someone here claims that I mean
> the opposite of what I am actually writing. I hope it is
> not some kind of dirty trick to make me look silly here?
Of course not, it's just you writing messages containing contradictions.
Besides, you would look silly in any case.
Stefan
Arthur Faria Jr.
Gyro's grandpa
Message 434 -
2002-11-21 at 22:12:35
Gilles:
> I've a list of four authors who used a grandpa of Gyro:
> *Barks, in Uncle Scrooge goes to Disneyland
> *Rosa, in Lo$2 and "the Cowboycaptain of the Cutty Sark", in these three
> stories, he looks like Gyro with a longer beak, a big hat, and is called
> Ratchet.
> *Ivan Saidenberg, Irineu Soares Rodrigues, and Verci de Mello, in
"Hist?ria
> de Pat?polis: O s?culo das luzes" (B 810094) and "Nos tempos do avi?o a
> lenha", from 1983. In these stories, he is Prof Pardalto, with a black
> beard and a flat hat (Eur?ka in French)
> * Tony Strobl and Steve Steere, in "Flipsy Tootle" (S 65114), in which he
> also has a beard and a flat hat, and is only seen on b&w photographs,
> and is only refered as grandpa Gearloose.
In my opinion Prof. Pardalto (Gyro's grandfather from
B 810094 and B 820318) is *not* Ratchet Gearloose. So,
he only could be the *other* grandfather: his mother's
father...
(BTW, Gyro's mother also appears in one Brazilian story: B 860081)
-- Arthur.
> I've a list of four authors who used a grandpa of Gyro:
> *Barks, in Uncle Scrooge goes to Disneyland
> *Rosa, in Lo$2 and "the Cowboycaptain of the Cutty Sark", in these three
> stories, he looks like Gyro with a longer beak, a big hat, and is called
> Ratchet.
> *Ivan Saidenberg, Irineu Soares Rodrigues, and Verci de Mello, in
"Hist?ria
> de Pat?polis: O s?culo das luzes" (B 810094) and "Nos tempos do avi?o a
> lenha", from 1983. In these stories, he is Prof Pardalto, with a black
> beard and a flat hat (Eur?ka in French)
> * Tony Strobl and Steve Steere, in "Flipsy Tootle" (S 65114), in which he
> also has a beard and a flat hat, and is only seen on b&w photographs,
> and is only refered as grandpa Gearloose.
In my opinion Prof. Pardalto (Gyro's grandfather from
B 810094 and B 820318) is *not* Ratchet Gearloose. So,
he only could be the *other* grandfather: his mother's
father...
(BTW, Gyro's mother also appears in one Brazilian story: B 860081)
-- Arthur.
Arthur Faria Jr.
Scrooge's beggar look-alike cousin
Message 435 -
2002-11-21 at 22:36:04
Gilles:
> I've made a list of all the stories I know in which appear a beggar cousin
of
> Scrooge, according to the stories I know, the commentaries on Inducks, and
> the help of Soren Haagerup :
> S 70121
> B 73095
> S 71333
> S 72293
> S 75080
> S 82120
and also:
B 74350
B 74454
> He is still a beggar and a look-alike cousin, but he never carries the
same
> name (in Denmark: McKluns, tim Tiger, Scamplet Von And, ...), and he
doesn't
> always have the same personnality. do you think I should list them as one
> character, or as many characters?
IMO they are all the same character, reused by several
writers with different names. As Fernando Ventura pointed out,
in Brazil he had two names, "Nadinhas" and "Galt?rio"
(I prefer the former).
Rob Klein wrote:
> Regarding the lookalike cousin of Scrooge, who is a beggar: I seem to
recall
> something similar in the early 1960s (or very late 1950s), drawn by Jack
> Bradbury. It was a story with a bum (beggar) that looked just like
Scrooge. I
> don't think he was related to Scrooge. I believe it was an S-coded story.
> Perhaps you remember that one, Harry?
If this is the character we are all talking about, then
this is probably his first appearance, and his real
name may be there...
-- Arthur.
> I've made a list of all the stories I know in which appear a beggar cousin
of
> Scrooge, according to the stories I know, the commentaries on Inducks, and
> the help of Soren Haagerup :
> S 70121
> B 73095
> S 71333
> S 72293
> S 75080
> S 82120
and also:
B 74350
B 74454
> He is still a beggar and a look-alike cousin, but he never carries the
same
> name (in Denmark: McKluns, tim Tiger, Scamplet Von And, ...), and he
doesn't
> always have the same personnality. do you think I should list them as one
> character, or as many characters?
IMO they are all the same character, reused by several
writers with different names. As Fernando Ventura pointed out,
in Brazil he had two names, "Nadinhas" and "Galt?rio"
(I prefer the former).
Rob Klein wrote:
> Regarding the lookalike cousin of Scrooge, who is a beggar: I seem to
recall
> something similar in the early 1960s (or very late 1950s), drawn by Jack
> Bradbury. It was a story with a bum (beggar) that looked just like
Scrooge. I
> don't think he was related to Scrooge. I believe it was an S-coded story.
> Perhaps you remember that one, Harry?
If this is the character we are all talking about, then
this is probably his first appearance, and his real
name may be there...
-- Arthur.