Hi!!!
I'm still building my section about real life characters which appears in person or by name in Rosa's and Barks' stories...
I need informations about the blueprints of the money bin...
I know they have been published as drawing in "Comic-Con International - San Diego 2001 Souvenir Book" and the Greek "Komix"#166, as a poster in 2001 in Sweden (code: XSC POSTER 2), and as a part of the story "the beagle boys vs the money bin", which has been published in Germany, Denmark, France, Finland, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, and Sweded.
On the blueprints, in the rectangles at the bottom of each of the two plans, appears the name of the architect, and the name of the drawer.
In all the versions, the drawer is still Dan Shane. (Dan, that'd be great if you could give me a biography of you for my pages, but id understand if you refused to give personnal info about you...)
The name of the architect changes foR each version... In the drawing for Comic con, it's K.D. Rosa, meaning Keno Don Rosa (Hi, unca' keno!). Although the story hasn't been published in the us, Don Rosa revealed us that in his script, the name was F.L. Drake, which stands for Frank Lloyd Drake, a pun for the architect Frank Lloyd Wright... (talking about the value of unpublished material :))
In french, it's been translated F.L. Braque. I've seen the greek plans, but i couldn't read it, but it wasn't Don Rosa. I remember someone told me at the irc chat that the name in danish (well, i think it was danish, but i'm not sure about it...), was the name of another famous architect...
I'd want you dcmailers from around the world to give me the translation of the architect in your country, please.
the mention "Keno Rosa company" also appears in the rectangle... could you tell me how it's been translated in your countries too?
uuh... thanks
Gilles MAURICE
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Goofy313g
Money Bin plans ; F.L.Wright, F.L.Drake, F.L.Braque, K.D.Rosa, Dan Shane,... anybody else???
Message 76 -
2002-11-06 at 00:55:50
Rich Bellacera
For Gilles and anyone else interested
Message 77 -
2002-11-06 at 05:55:28
Gilles,
I've been meaning to get these to you for some time, so let me give it now.
Your site has been lacking this data:
The famous MAP OF DUCKBURG from the time when Disney was publishing its
own comics.
I collected the entire set and made it into a single image, then shrunk
it down. It's still a large file,
but here it is nevertheless.
http://users.cwnet.com/xephyr/ART/DUCKBURG.gif
Some of Pete's relations:
Pete's Maw, and his twin Li'l Pete.
http://users.cwnet.com/xephyr/ART/ThePetes.gif
His sister who has her own cooking show called "Petula's Pantry":
http://users.cwnet.com/xephyr/ART/MM120198.gif
http://users.cwnet.com/xephyr/ART/MM120298.gif
http://users.cwnet.com/xephyr/ART/MM120398.gif
http://users.cwnet.com/xephyr/ART/MM120498.gif
I forget if there is anything else I might provide. I'll look around
and see and get back to you.
I'll leave these images on the server for a little while, but then I
need to take them down for space
consideration, so grab them while their hot! :-)
-Rich Bellacera
xephyr at cwnet.com
I've been meaning to get these to you for some time, so let me give it now.
Your site has been lacking this data:
The famous MAP OF DUCKBURG from the time when Disney was publishing its
own comics.
I collected the entire set and made it into a single image, then shrunk
it down. It's still a large file,
but here it is nevertheless.
http://users.cwnet.com/xephyr/ART/DUCKBURG.gif
Some of Pete's relations:
Pete's Maw, and his twin Li'l Pete.
http://users.cwnet.com/xephyr/ART/ThePetes.gif
His sister who has her own cooking show called "Petula's Pantry":
http://users.cwnet.com/xephyr/ART/MM120198.gif
http://users.cwnet.com/xephyr/ART/MM120298.gif
http://users.cwnet.com/xephyr/ART/MM120398.gif
http://users.cwnet.com/xephyr/ART/MM120498.gif
I forget if there is anything else I might provide. I'll look around
and see and get back to you.
I'll leave these images on the server for a little while, but then I
need to take them down for space
consideration, so grab them while their hot! :-)
-Rich Bellacera
xephyr at cwnet.com
Klartekst
Christmas Spirit
Message 78 -
2002-11-06 at 10:41:00
I asked for information about Donald and $scrooge Christmas stories, and as
usual the list members came throgh:
ANDERS wrote
<Well, go to a second-hand shop and find Christmas issues from the last
years. Usually there are some very splendid ones inbetween.>
Excellent idea! Norway's best second-hand comic book shop is in Oslo, just
a 40-minute train ride and 10 minutes by streetcar away from where I sit.
Now I have an excuse for going there (as if I needed one!).
TOMAS wrote
<Do you mean D 99008? That's at least the one story that struck me when I
read your description>
I looked it up in the database, and YES that must be the story I am
thinking of. Written by Kari Kohonen and drawn by Vicar. A great team. I'll
get it when I'm in Oslo.
SIGVALD wrote
<AR 109 - Donald Duck: Fir-Tree Fracas, by Don Rosa is a 4 page classic
published in Norway in 1988 and 1999.>
What? A Rosa story that I haven't even read? I'll be sure to get that too.
Nils from Norway
usual the list members came throgh:
ANDERS wrote
<Well, go to a second-hand shop and find Christmas issues from the last
years. Usually there are some very splendid ones inbetween.>
Excellent idea! Norway's best second-hand comic book shop is in Oslo, just
a 40-minute train ride and 10 minutes by streetcar away from where I sit.
Now I have an excuse for going there (as if I needed one!).
TOMAS wrote
<Do you mean D 99008? That's at least the one story that struck me when I
read your description>
I looked it up in the database, and YES that must be the story I am
thinking of. Written by Kari Kohonen and drawn by Vicar. A great team. I'll
get it when I'm in Oslo.
SIGVALD wrote
<AR 109 - Donald Duck: Fir-Tree Fracas, by Don Rosa is a 4 page classic
published in Norway in 1988 and 1999.>
What? A Rosa story that I haven't even read? I'll be sure to get that too.
Nils from Norway
Kai Saarto
New Rosa comics
Message 79 -
2002-11-06 at 11:11:27
Anders Christian Siveb?k wrote:
> Hi all
> About the coming story from Don, this The dream of a lifetime - you can
> read *about* it at duckhunts new stories page.
> The only info we have is that it would come out around Christmas this year
> in Egmontland.
> If Finland chosses to also publish The ten avatars, that's completely fine
> with me (as long as it's with the cover for the
> story, and as long as I would be able to get that issue for my friend ole,
> to whom there's a dedication on that cover)
> Sure we other scandinavians would also like to soon see Cash Flow - but
> the finns saw that in 1999 in the kalevala HardCover book - so it's good
> there's not so hardbound a connection between Egmontland and Finland.
> BTW Sigvald, The Avatars was published in 1996 - that's 6 years ago. After
> one year there's a chance that we'll see it come around again. We know
> that tendency in the weeklies - the 7-years border between publications of
> a story in the same publication (weekly or the like). The reason is that
> you're really not supposed to read the weekly in more than 7 years
> following eachother. - Not if you're in the usual goal group that is, so i
> don't intend to stop now, myself.
I'd guess there are two likely possibilites:
1) Egmont publishes "The Dream of a Lifetime" in all weeklies and
Finland publishes "The Treasure of Ten Avatars" in the next hardcover
due out in late 2003.
2) Egmont publishes "The Cash Flow" in all weeklies maybe except in
Finland which chooses "Ten Avatars" instead.
I'm more inclined to believe in #1.
-Kai Saarto
http://www.perunamaa.net/donrosa
> Hi all
> About the coming story from Don, this The dream of a lifetime - you can
> read *about* it at duckhunts new stories page.
> The only info we have is that it would come out around Christmas this year
> in Egmontland.
> If Finland chosses to also publish The ten avatars, that's completely fine
> with me (as long as it's with the cover for the
> story, and as long as I would be able to get that issue for my friend ole,
> to whom there's a dedication on that cover)
> Sure we other scandinavians would also like to soon see Cash Flow - but
> the finns saw that in 1999 in the kalevala HardCover book - so it's good
> there's not so hardbound a connection between Egmontland and Finland.
> BTW Sigvald, The Avatars was published in 1996 - that's 6 years ago. After
> one year there's a chance that we'll see it come around again. We know
> that tendency in the weeklies - the 7-years border between publications of
> a story in the same publication (weekly or the like). The reason is that
> you're really not supposed to read the weekly in more than 7 years
> following eachother. - Not if you're in the usual goal group that is, so i
> don't intend to stop now, myself.
I'd guess there are two likely possibilites:
1) Egmont publishes "The Dream of a Lifetime" in all weeklies and
Finland publishes "The Treasure of Ten Avatars" in the next hardcover
due out in late 2003.
2) Egmont publishes "The Cash Flow" in all weeklies maybe except in
Finland which chooses "Ten Avatars" instead.
I'm more inclined to believe in #1.
-Kai Saarto
http://www.perunamaa.net/donrosa
Anders Christian Siveb¾k
New Rosa comics
Message 80 -
2002-11-06 at 11:12:41
Hi all
About the coming story from Don, this The dream of a lifetime - you can
read *about* it at duckhunts new stories page.
The only info we have is that it would come out around Christmas this year
in Egmontland.
If Finland chosses to also publish The ten avatars, that's completely fine
with me (as long as it's with the cover for the
story, and as long as I would be able to get that issue for my friend ole,
to whom there's a dedication on that cover)
Sure we other scandinavians would also like to soon see Cash Flow - but
the finns saw that in 1999 in the kalevala HardCover book - so it's good
there's not so hardbound a connection between Egmontland and Finland.
BTW Sigvald, The Avatars was published in 1996 - that's 6 years ago. After
one year there's a chance that we'll see it come around again. We know
that tendency in the weeklies - the 7-years border between publications of
a story in the same publication (weekly or the like). The reason is that
you're really not supposed to read the weekly in more than 7 years
following eachother. - Not if you're in the usual goal group that is, so i
don't intend to stop now, myself.
Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist
About the coming story from Don, this The dream of a lifetime - you can
read *about* it at duckhunts new stories page.
The only info we have is that it would come out around Christmas this year
in Egmontland.
If Finland chosses to also publish The ten avatars, that's completely fine
with me (as long as it's with the cover for the
story, and as long as I would be able to get that issue for my friend ole,
to whom there's a dedication on that cover)
Sure we other scandinavians would also like to soon see Cash Flow - but
the finns saw that in 1999 in the kalevala HardCover book - so it's good
there's not so hardbound a connection between Egmontland and Finland.
BTW Sigvald, The Avatars was published in 1996 - that's 6 years ago. After
one year there's a chance that we'll see it come around again. We know
that tendency in the weeklies - the 7-years border between publications of
a story in the same publication (weekly or the like). The reason is that
you're really not supposed to read the weekly in more than 7 years
following eachother. - Not if you're in the usual goal group that is, so i
don't intend to stop now, myself.
Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist
Ari.Seppi
The Dream of a Lifetime
Message 81 -
2002-11-06 at 11:26:54
Kai:
> Last I heard from staff of Finnish Aku Ankka was that one Rosa story
> will be published either late this year or early 2003. It's not certain
> that this will be "Dream" as it _could_ be also "The Treasure of Ten
> Avatars".
I'm guessing it's The Dream. Firstly because of the recent
similarities of Rosa stories published between Aku Ankka and the
Scandinavian weeklies. And secondly because Avatars - to me -
seems like a story of which first publication the publisher
might like to spare for some Rosa hard cover book.
> Last I heard from staff of Finnish Aku Ankka was that one Rosa story
> will be published either late this year or early 2003. It's not certain
> that this will be "Dream" as it _could_ be also "The Treasure of Ten
> Avatars".
I'm guessing it's The Dream. Firstly because of the recent
similarities of Rosa stories published between Aku Ankka and the
Scandinavian weeklies. And secondly because Avatars - to me -
seems like a story of which first publication the publisher
might like to spare for some Rosa hard cover book.
Goofy313g
Thanks, Rick! ; Maw Pete (Italian story)
Message 82 -
2002-11-06 at 13:49:57
Hi!!!
Thanks a lot, Rich! Now, the Pete's family tree is the secon one to be totally finished, as the tree of Clarabelle I've finished too :-)
Thanks a lot about the map, too
I think I have seen Pete's mother in a more recent story, in a Mickey Parade I readed somewhere but which isn't a part of my collection, most probably in an italian story... If French or Italian readers can find it, that'd be great if they could send me a scan or, at least, the references of the story...
Rich, ould you give me the references for the story with maw and little pete, please???
I'm thinking about building the big bad wolf's tree :-)
I'm working on Magica's tree
I think i'll also soon publish a new section with scans of the fake bank bills which were drawn at the end of each buckybug silly symphony...
Best regards,
Gilles Maurice
Thanks a lot, Rich! Now, the Pete's family tree is the secon one to be totally finished, as the tree of Clarabelle I've finished too :-)
Thanks a lot about the map, too
I think I have seen Pete's mother in a more recent story, in a Mickey Parade I readed somewhere but which isn't a part of my collection, most probably in an italian story... If French or Italian readers can find it, that'd be great if they could send me a scan or, at least, the references of the story...
Rich, ould you give me the references for the story with maw and little pete, please???
I'm thinking about building the big bad wolf's tree :-)
I'm working on Magica's tree
I think i'll also soon publish a new section with scans of the fake bank bills which were drawn at the end of each buckybug silly symphony...
Best regards,
Gilles Maurice
Donald D. Markstein
Thieves or...
Message 83 -
2002-11-06 at 14:24:27
> Calm down, please. Disagreeing about things by e-mail is not easy. I am
> convinced that Don is quite a nice guy (though I never met him), and I
know
> that Soeren is quite a nice guy too. Soeren's ideas may be wrong (in this
> case), but he's not the anarchist that he appears to be. 8-)
Thank you, but I find it hard to have friendly, detached, intellectual
discussions with people who threaten my livelihood, which depends on the
protection of intellectual property. This is exactly the same as any other
discussion on the legitimacy of ownership -- those who are against it are
the ones who don't own anything worth protecting.
I also find it hard to have ANY kind of intellectual discussion with a
person who repeatedly says "Law? What law? I don't see any law." Willful
refusal to acknowledge the existence of a thing that everyone else can
plainly see is simply not rational, and there's no point in trying to apply
rational techniques in dealing with such a person.
Furthermore, when one is told to accept the point of view of such a person
or else get off the Internet, it is perfectly reasonable to ask who the hell
that person thinks he is. Who the hell do you suppose he DOES think he is?
The owner of the Internet?
But there's one thing you needn't fear. When one behaves so dictatorially as
to order others to accept his terms or "bail out" and "stay off the
Internet" (his words), there is very little chance he will ever be mistaken
for an anarchist.
Since, however, this IS, as you so cogently observe, off-topic, I'm dropping
the subject with this post. The would-be Dictator of the Internet has amply
demonstrated the value of his Unilateral Pronouncements, and to belabor the
point would be redundant.
Quack, Don
Today in Toons: Every day's an anniversary.
http://www.toonopedia.com/today.htm
> convinced that Don is quite a nice guy (though I never met him), and I
know
> that Soeren is quite a nice guy too. Soeren's ideas may be wrong (in this
> case), but he's not the anarchist that he appears to be. 8-)
Thank you, but I find it hard to have friendly, detached, intellectual
discussions with people who threaten my livelihood, which depends on the
protection of intellectual property. This is exactly the same as any other
discussion on the legitimacy of ownership -- those who are against it are
the ones who don't own anything worth protecting.
I also find it hard to have ANY kind of intellectual discussion with a
person who repeatedly says "Law? What law? I don't see any law." Willful
refusal to acknowledge the existence of a thing that everyone else can
plainly see is simply not rational, and there's no point in trying to apply
rational techniques in dealing with such a person.
Furthermore, when one is told to accept the point of view of such a person
or else get off the Internet, it is perfectly reasonable to ask who the hell
that person thinks he is. Who the hell do you suppose he DOES think he is?
The owner of the Internet?
But there's one thing you needn't fear. When one behaves so dictatorially as
to order others to accept his terms or "bail out" and "stay off the
Internet" (his words), there is very little chance he will ever be mistaken
for an anarchist.
Since, however, this IS, as you so cogently observe, off-topic, I'm dropping
the subject with this post. The would-be Dictator of the Internet has amply
demonstrated the value of his Unilateral Pronouncements, and to belabor the
point would be redundant.
Quack, Don
Today in Toons: Every day's an anniversary.
http://www.toonopedia.com/today.htm
Dan Shane
DCML digest, Vol 1 #1125 - 16 msgs
Message 84 -
2002-11-06 at 14:38:48
Gilles MAURICE wrote:
> On the blueprints, in the rectangles at the bottom of each of the
> two plans, appears the name of the architect, and the name of the drawer.
> In all the versions, the drawer is still Dan Shane. (Dan, that'd
> be great if you could give me a biography of you for my pages,
> but id understand if you refused to give personnal info about you...)
My life is an open book. Unfortunately, it is also very boring. I would
put myself to sleep just writing it. But if I'm ever attacked by insomnia,
I will try to put something together for you.
> On the blueprints, in the rectangles at the bottom of each of the
> two plans, appears the name of the architect, and the name of the drawer.
> In all the versions, the drawer is still Dan Shane. (Dan, that'd
> be great if you could give me a biography of you for my pages,
> but id understand if you refused to give personnal info about you...)
My life is an open book. Unfortunately, it is also very boring. I would
put myself to sleep just writing it. But if I'm ever attacked by insomnia,
I will try to put something together for you.
Stefan Diös
The Dream of a Lifetime
Message 85 -
2002-11-06 at 15:12:34
I believe that Norway and Denmark will publish this story as an extra
supplement to weekly issue #49, or something like that, possibly with an
accompanying article. I know for sure that Sweden will run it in the
traditional Christmas double issue #51-52, without the article. Other
Egmont countries may decide to run it in two parts, e.g. over issues ##48-49.
It's a lovely little gem of a story, in my ever-romantic opinion!
Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden
supplement to weekly issue #49, or something like that, possibly with an
accompanying article. I know for sure that Sweden will run it in the
traditional Christmas double issue #51-52, without the article. Other
Egmont countries may decide to run it in two parts, e.g. over issues ##48-49.
It's a lovely little gem of a story, in my ever-romantic opinion!
Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden
Sander D.
Money Bin plans
Message 86 -
2002-11-06 at 19:53:32
In the Netherlands (in Donald Duck Extra 5-2002) the architect is on the
first page of the blueprints F.J. Drake, and on the second page F.L. Drake
(I think it's a spelling error). The drawer is dr. D. Shane.
Sander Dijkhuis
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first page of the blueprints F.J. Drake, and on the second page F.L. Drake
(I think it's a spelling error). The drawer is dr. D. Shane.
Sander Dijkhuis
_________________________________________________________________
Surf voor nieuws, fileinformatie & entertainment naar MSN
http://www.msn.nl/intmap/default.asp
Georges Helm
Money Bin plans
Message 87 -
2002-11-06 at 21:53:29
In Estonia (in Miki Hiir 12-2002) the architect is on both
pages of the blueprints P.P.Pauk.
On the second page there is a mention of a 'Keno Rosa Co.'
Georges Helm
pages of the blueprints P.P.Pauk.
On the second page there is a mention of a 'Keno Rosa Co.'
Georges Helm
Oyvind J. Karstad
Plonking
Message 88 -
2002-11-06 at 22:51:02
Pekka Timonen wrote:
>*PLONK*
I believe this is the first "plonk" i have heard on this mailing list.
I hope it's going to be the last one to...
Oyvind
>*PLONK*
I believe this is the first "plonk" i have heard on this mailing list.
I hope it's going to be the last one to...
Oyvind
Goofy313g
Blueprints versions
Message 89 -
2002-11-07 at 14:59:02
Hi!!!
Thank you for your answers. I also asked Thomas Pryds Lauritsen and checked other versions of the blueprints.
The architect for almost every version was still F.L. Drake, except for france (F.L.Braque), Denmark (Johand Spraekelsen or something like this), and in Estonia (P.P.Pauk). In Greece, it's ,F.L. Drake too, but with greek alphabet. In the version form comic con and in the swedish poster, it's K.D. Rosa
Best regards,
Gilles Maurice
Thank you for your answers. I also asked Thomas Pryds Lauritsen and checked other versions of the blueprints.
The architect for almost every version was still F.L. Drake, except for france (F.L.Braque), Denmark (Johand Spraekelsen or something like this), and in Estonia (P.P.Pauk). In Greece, it's ,F.L. Drake too, but with greek alphabet. In the version form comic con and in the swedish poster, it's K.D. Rosa
Best regards,
Gilles Maurice
Anders Christian Siveb¾k
DCML digest, Vol 1 #1127 - 7 msgs
Message 90 -
2002-11-07 at 17:36:27
Hi all
STEFAN
>
>I believe that Norway and Denmark will publish this story as an extra
>supplement to weekly issue #49, or something like that, possibly with an
>accompanying article. I know for sure that Sweden will run it in the
>traditional Christmas double issue #51-52, without the article. Other
>Egmont countries may decide to run it in two parts, e.g. over issues
>##48-49.
May we quote that on duckhunt - not necessarily with your name, but just
the fact.
It's very good news - a special extra with our weeklies sounds fine.
>
>It's a lovely little gem of a story, in my ever-romantic opinion!
I'm looking forward to read it :-)
>
Oyvind
>Pekka Timonen wrote:
>>*PLONK*
>
>I believe this is the first "plonk" i have heard on this mailing list.
>I hope it's going to be the last one to...
>
Someone please tell me, possibly in private what PLONK means?
Especially if it's a controversial word of a sort, do tell me only in
private,m not here.
I'd like the lsit to return to the usual friendly tone :-)
For the Christmas-reading Nils - a book with 12 great barks Christmas
stories is coming out here.
I just said yes to an offer to buy both the Rosa calendar and the book for
a very reduced privce from the publisher.
Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist
STEFAN
>
>I believe that Norway and Denmark will publish this story as an extra
>supplement to weekly issue #49, or something like that, possibly with an
>accompanying article. I know for sure that Sweden will run it in the
>traditional Christmas double issue #51-52, without the article. Other
>Egmont countries may decide to run it in two parts, e.g. over issues
>##48-49.
May we quote that on duckhunt - not necessarily with your name, but just
the fact.
It's very good news - a special extra with our weeklies sounds fine.
>
>It's a lovely little gem of a story, in my ever-romantic opinion!
I'm looking forward to read it :-)
>
Oyvind
>Pekka Timonen wrote:
>>*PLONK*
>
>I believe this is the first "plonk" i have heard on this mailing list.
>I hope it's going to be the last one to...
>
Someone please tell me, possibly in private what PLONK means?
Especially if it's a controversial word of a sort, do tell me only in
private,m not here.
I'd like the lsit to return to the usual friendly tone :-)
For the Christmas-reading Nils - a book with 12 great barks Christmas
stories is coming out here.
I just said yes to an offer to buy both the Rosa calendar and the book for
a very reduced privce from the publisher.
Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist