Sigvald:
> After I posted the message about Disney Comics which again
> will be published in the USA, you have posted as many as
> 10 messages here on DCML, without even a single comment
> about this. May I ask why you seem to neglect that topic
> for the time being?
There are hundreds of DCML members. If they all would send a message about
how happy they are about the matter, this list would become very boring to
read. I already have problems catching up with the current amount of
messages. (The messages that I *did* send may show that.)
Besides, I don't think my happiness is more important than other people's
happiness. All I could have written was "yahooo" or something like that.
This adds no information (except maybe for the few people who are interested
in me personally). So I don't send that kind of messages.
This is the first time I am attacked for.. er.. I mean "friendly asked
about" *not* writing a message. Sigvald, you cross every border! 8-)
--Harry.
(still 30 unread DCML message in my mailbox)
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H.W.Fluks
A friendly answer to Sigvald Groesfjeld
Message 406 -
2002-11-20 at 14:58:12
Tommy
Duck family tree (here we go again!!!!) [need help from Brazil and Italy]
Message 407 -
2002-11-20 at 15:03:31
From: Goofy313g at aol.com
Subject: Duck family tree (here we go again!!!!) [need help from Brazil and Italy]
> Hi!!!
> according to inducks:
> in I TL 2066-2 , a new cousin (if it's not fethry)
> in I TL 2288-5 , a new cousin (if it's not sgrizzo)
I verified those two numbers: they're respectively Fethry Duck and Sgrizzo.
> imost of these story hae only been published in brazil or italy. i'd want brazilian and italian dcmailers
> to confirm all this, and to provide informations and/or scans of the characters quoted if it's possible.
> thank you very much!!!
> Gilles
I hope I help you. Bye
Tommy --- gorthan at hotmail.com ---
?Tell me, mister governor... How does it feel to leave history??
PKNA #14 "Carpe Diem"
Subject: Duck family tree (here we go again!!!!) [need help from Brazil and Italy]
> Hi!!!
> according to inducks:
> in I TL 2066-2 , a new cousin (if it's not fethry)
> in I TL 2288-5 , a new cousin (if it's not sgrizzo)
I verified those two numbers: they're respectively Fethry Duck and Sgrizzo.
> imost of these story hae only been published in brazil or italy. i'd want brazilian and italian dcmailers
> to confirm all this, and to provide informations and/or scans of the characters quoted if it's possible.
> thank you very much!!!
> Gilles
I hope I help you. Bye
Tommy --- gorthan at hotmail.com ---
?Tell me, mister governor... How does it feel to leave history??
PKNA #14 "Carpe Diem"
Goofy313g
Ignace de l'ortolan
Message 408 -
2002-11-20 at 15:04:19
In "Spookhotel"(H 95043), crooge inherits an hotel from his great great uncle
in law Ignace de l'ortolan, and then Edgar de l'ortolan, Ignace's real
nephew, (Ignace didn't like him so he didn't inherit the hotel), tries to
scare them with holograms (we recognise Hazel, Smorgie, and other fantoms and
demons and monsters from "trick or treat")...
I'd want to know if somebody had the original version or another version of
the story, because the relation between scrooge and the de l'Ortolan's is
kind of weird, because while Edgar looks like he would be on Donald's or
Scrooge's line, he is in fact on Dirty Dingus' line... I know Potcrack
McDuck could have had a girl when he was very old, and this girl could have
married a very young Edgar de l'ortolan, whose brother, who was born many
years after him, has had Edgar when he was very old, or adopted him, but
well, it's still weird...
Gilles
in law Ignace de l'ortolan, and then Edgar de l'ortolan, Ignace's real
nephew, (Ignace didn't like him so he didn't inherit the hotel), tries to
scare them with holograms (we recognise Hazel, Smorgie, and other fantoms and
demons and monsters from "trick or treat")...
I'd want to know if somebody had the original version or another version of
the story, because the relation between scrooge and the de l'Ortolan's is
kind of weird, because while Edgar looks like he would be on Donald's or
Scrooge's line, he is in fact on Dirty Dingus' line... I know Potcrack
McDuck could have had a girl when he was very old, and this girl could have
married a very young Edgar de l'ortolan, whose brother, who was born many
years after him, has had Edgar when he was very old, or adopted him, but
well, it's still weird...
Gilles
H.W.Fluks
Brazil
Message 409 -
2002-11-20 at 15:20:11
Arthur:
> (not making a strike even if I wanted to: there's no
> Disney production in Brazil any more)
Your Brazilian Inducks index lists:
288 stories in 1997
18 stories in 1998
100 stories in 1999
185 stories in 2000
NO stories in 2001
I only looked at the highest B-code number for each year.
I heard you talking about a stop before, presumably in 1998. Can I conclude
that they started again in 1999, and stopped for the second time in 2001? Do
you have any *reasons* for the Brazilian editors' policy?
--Harry.
> (not making a strike even if I wanted to: there's no
> Disney production in Brazil any more)
Your Brazilian Inducks index lists:
288 stories in 1997
18 stories in 1998
100 stories in 1999
185 stories in 2000
NO stories in 2001
I only looked at the highest B-code number for each year.
I heard you talking about a stop before, presumably in 1998. Can I conclude
that they started again in 1999, and stopped for the second time in 2001? Do
you have any *reasons* for the Brazilian editors' policy?
--Harry.
H.W.Fluks
Super Ellsworth
Message 410 -
2002-11-20 at 15:39:57
Gilles:
> The special page about super ellsworth is finished
> http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/Characters/superellsworth.html
Nice page.
There's also a Dutch SUPER GOOF story where Ellsworth eats a super goober,
and becomes "Super Ellsworth". It's a 1-time thing, and completely unrelated
to the French "Super G?nius" that you describe.
The Dutch story is H 84121, 5 pages, written by Ruud Straatman, drawn by
Dick Matena. Published in November 1984.
--Harry.
(Who has no operational scanner...)
> The special page about super ellsworth is finished
> http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/Characters/superellsworth.html
Nice page.
There's also a Dutch SUPER GOOF story where Ellsworth eats a super goober,
and becomes "Super Ellsworth". It's a 1-time thing, and completely unrelated
to the French "Super G?nius" that you describe.
The Dutch story is H 84121, 5 pages, written by Ruud Straatman, drawn by
Dick Matena. Published in November 1984.
--Harry.
(Who has no operational scanner...)
Lars Jensen
Ludwig married?
Message 411 -
2002-11-20 at 15:50:32
On November 14, Søren Krarup Olesen wrote:
> Anyways, here is how it all works. And please do tell me,
> if I am wrong. This is the true story:
>
> Little Helper couldn't resist the tall legs of Gyro's mailbox robot
> and they finally got their screws together.
Actually, Gyro's mailbox robot (who ECN calls Posty) is played as a
male. As is Little Helper. But I suppose it was time *somebody* was
outed in the Duck universe.
Lars
> Anyways, here is how it all works. And please do tell me,
> if I am wrong. This is the true story:
>
> Little Helper couldn't resist the tall legs of Gyro's mailbox robot
> and they finally got their screws together.
Actually, Gyro's mailbox robot (who ECN calls Posty) is played as a
male. As is Little Helper. But I suppose it was time *somebody* was
outed in the Duck universe.
Lars
Frank Bubacz
The Grandma and the Great-grandma
Message 412 -
2002-11-20 at 15:55:57
Rob,
"...but he did receive a newspaper every Sunday."
Aha! Elvira only had appeared on three (next to nothing!) Sunday pages at
the time, the last of which had been published a long time (one and a half
year) before Barks drew "Best Christmas". I'd say that adds to my main
argument about the possibility of Barks not being aware of the character at
all. Or maybe he had just forgotten her.
"...he only invented characters, because he NEEDED them for his current
story."
Yes, and, always assuming he didn't know about Elvira, which other of the
characters appearing in Taliaferro's strips he could have used for his
story? Gus Goose? In the strips it was obvious that Donald didn't like him.
So why visit a relative that will ultimately spoil your Xmas. Daisy? She
does obviously live too close to Donald to give Barks the opportunity of
letting all these misadventures in the snow happen. As Xmas is a family
feast he needed a beloved relative that doesn't live too close. So (not
being aware of Elvira) he chose a grandmother. It's nothing special that she
only appeared in one story, because quite a few stories (e.g. WDC 55, WDC
267, and WDC 312) contain relatives we've never heard of again. Even Scrooge
wasn't intended to be used more than once originally.
"In ALL these 38 years that I've had the story, I NEVER even imagined that
she wasn't the same Grandma."
In ALL these 9 years that I've had the story, I ALWAYS thought she's a
different character. ;-) I like your suggestion that she could be the
grandmother of HDL, regarding her "youthfulness" in contrast to the
great-grandmother Elvira. Although you don't really agree with this, either.
Frank
(What's wrong with me? Normally I hate to argue.)
_________________________________________________________________
MSN - More useful every day http://www.msn.de
"...but he did receive a newspaper every Sunday."
Aha! Elvira only had appeared on three (next to nothing!) Sunday pages at
the time, the last of which had been published a long time (one and a half
year) before Barks drew "Best Christmas". I'd say that adds to my main
argument about the possibility of Barks not being aware of the character at
all. Or maybe he had just forgotten her.
"...he only invented characters, because he NEEDED them for his current
story."
Yes, and, always assuming he didn't know about Elvira, which other of the
characters appearing in Taliaferro's strips he could have used for his
story? Gus Goose? In the strips it was obvious that Donald didn't like him.
So why visit a relative that will ultimately spoil your Xmas. Daisy? She
does obviously live too close to Donald to give Barks the opportunity of
letting all these misadventures in the snow happen. As Xmas is a family
feast he needed a beloved relative that doesn't live too close. So (not
being aware of Elvira) he chose a grandmother. It's nothing special that she
only appeared in one story, because quite a few stories (e.g. WDC 55, WDC
267, and WDC 312) contain relatives we've never heard of again. Even Scrooge
wasn't intended to be used more than once originally.
"In ALL these 38 years that I've had the story, I NEVER even imagined that
she wasn't the same Grandma."
In ALL these 9 years that I've had the story, I ALWAYS thought she's a
different character. ;-) I like your suggestion that she could be the
grandmother of HDL, regarding her "youthfulness" in contrast to the
great-grandmother Elvira. Although you don't really agree with this, either.
Frank
(What's wrong with me? Normally I hate to argue.)
_________________________________________________________________
MSN - More useful every day http://www.msn.de
Sigvald
Grandma/Ludwig/House of Mouse
Message 413 -
2002-11-20 at 16:06:06
bi442 at lafn.org (Rob Klein) wrote:
>
> For example. It does NOT seem possible or logical to me
> that Ludwig is a "true" or close uncle of Donald. This is
> (1) because of his advanced age; and
> (2) because he was virtually unknown to and by his
> "relatives" in Duckburg, upon his arrival.
>
> I feel that he could be Donald's Great Uncle (which English
> speaking people would refer to as "Uncle", almost never
> referring to that difference. He is old enough to be in
> Scrooge's and Grandma's generation.
Please notice that Grandma is supposed to be almost half a
generation (ca. 12 years) older that Scrooge.
But as you are saying - Ludwig IS apparently of the same generation
as Scrooge, but most likely a few years younger (born sometime in
the 1870's) and thus of the SAME AGE as Scrooge's sister Matilda
(born 1871).
> In my opinion, Donald is too young to be the son of his
> younger sister
Whose sister? Ludwig?s sister? Scrooge?s sister?
Anyway females can give birth almost up to 50 - so there
is no biological contradiction what-so-ever in Barks'
version of the Family Tree.
> or the brother of Ludwig's son-in-law.
??? Donald has no brother...
> If either were true, Ludwig would not have been unknown
> to Donald and most of the other Duckburg Ducks. I am, myself
> an immigrant. My parents were both immigrants. We still have
> very strong ties to family in our previous countries.
> This normally lasts AT LEAST ONE GENERATION, but often TWO!
> I just cannot believe a family member of such a close
> relationship would be unknown or only "heard of" by the
> first generation born in the new country.
1) This is Disney Comics family relations - not a real family
we are dealing with.
2) This is very special family with a very special history.
Remember that the sisters apparently left Scrooge in 1930.
Matilda may have moved to Europe and met Ludwig there.
They wouldn't keep any contact with Scrooge because of the
incident in 1930. The only other relative left in Duckburg
would then be the young Donald (who seems to have been
raised at Grandma Duck's farm), Donald's sister Della
may also have grown up at the farm - we don't know.
> If Donald's parents were born in USA, and their parents were the
> immigrants from Austria, that makes it only more likely
> that Ludwig is a more distant relation than first uncle.
TO MUCH has been written by TO MANY artists about Donald's
family to even consider such a theory.
> The reality is, that most often, Disney story writers do
> NOT research exaustively, what the (supposed) "Official"
> line is on relationships of secondary characters. We are
> destined to ALWAYS have some contradictions.
Exactly! That's why I have choose to present one particular
version in my WEB-pages about this - the Barks/Rosa version.
Sigvald :-)
>
> For example. It does NOT seem possible or logical to me
> that Ludwig is a "true" or close uncle of Donald. This is
> (1) because of his advanced age; and
> (2) because he was virtually unknown to and by his
> "relatives" in Duckburg, upon his arrival.
>
> I feel that he could be Donald's Great Uncle (which English
> speaking people would refer to as "Uncle", almost never
> referring to that difference. He is old enough to be in
> Scrooge's and Grandma's generation.
Please notice that Grandma is supposed to be almost half a
generation (ca. 12 years) older that Scrooge.
But as you are saying - Ludwig IS apparently of the same generation
as Scrooge, but most likely a few years younger (born sometime in
the 1870's) and thus of the SAME AGE as Scrooge's sister Matilda
(born 1871).
> In my opinion, Donald is too young to be the son of his
> younger sister
Whose sister? Ludwig?s sister? Scrooge?s sister?
Anyway females can give birth almost up to 50 - so there
is no biological contradiction what-so-ever in Barks'
version of the Family Tree.
> or the brother of Ludwig's son-in-law.
??? Donald has no brother...
> If either were true, Ludwig would not have been unknown
> to Donald and most of the other Duckburg Ducks. I am, myself
> an immigrant. My parents were both immigrants. We still have
> very strong ties to family in our previous countries.
> This normally lasts AT LEAST ONE GENERATION, but often TWO!
> I just cannot believe a family member of such a close
> relationship would be unknown or only "heard of" by the
> first generation born in the new country.
1) This is Disney Comics family relations - not a real family
we are dealing with.
2) This is very special family with a very special history.
Remember that the sisters apparently left Scrooge in 1930.
Matilda may have moved to Europe and met Ludwig there.
They wouldn't keep any contact with Scrooge because of the
incident in 1930. The only other relative left in Duckburg
would then be the young Donald (who seems to have been
raised at Grandma Duck's farm), Donald's sister Della
may also have grown up at the farm - we don't know.
> If Donald's parents were born in USA, and their parents were the
> immigrants from Austria, that makes it only more likely
> that Ludwig is a more distant relation than first uncle.
TO MUCH has been written by TO MANY artists about Donald's
family to even consider such a theory.
> The reality is, that most often, Disney story writers do
> NOT research exaustively, what the (supposed) "Official"
> line is on relationships of secondary characters. We are
> destined to ALWAYS have some contradictions.
Exactly! That's why I have choose to present one particular
version in my WEB-pages about this - the Barks/Rosa version.
Sigvald :-)
L. Schulte
USA Disney Comics?
Message 414 -
2002-11-20 at 17:28:14
Hello!
Could we ask Don Rosa himself or any of the other professionals (Gary
Leach) for a comment on the report that Diamond Comics will bring back
Uncle Scrooge and Walt Disney's Comics and Stories in April? It would be
great if they start an all-Don Rosa series like the German/Ehapa one.
Could we ask Don Rosa himself or any of the other professionals (Gary
Leach) for a comment on the report that Diamond Comics will bring back
Uncle Scrooge and Walt Disney's Comics and Stories in April? It would be
great if they start an all-Don Rosa series like the German/Ehapa one.
Goofy313g
Gyro's grandpa
Message 415 -
2002-11-20 at 18:20:31
I've a list of four authors who used a grandpa of Gyro:
*Barks, in Uncle Scrooge goes to Disneyland
*Rosa, in Lo$2 and "the Cowboycaptain of the Cutty Sark", in these three
stories, he looks like Gyro with a longer beak, a big hat, and is called
Ratchet.
*Ivan Saidenberg, Irineu Soares Rodrigues, and Verci de Mello, in "Hist?ria
de Pat?polis:
O s?culo das luzes" (B 810094) and "Nos tempos do avi?o a lenha", from
1983. In these stories, he is Prof Pardalto, with a black beard and a flat
hat (Eur?ka in French)
* Tony Strobl and Steve Steere, in "Flipsy Tootle" (S 65114), in which he
also has a beard and a flat hat, and is only seen on b&w photographs, and is
only refered as grandpa Gearloose.
Don Rosa, althought it was probably not intentionnally, made me believe that
these characters were the same, because in "the captain of the cutty Sark",
he now wears a flat hat, and it could the same cap he has in Strobl's and de
Mello's stories, and in the same story, he tells at the end that he's going
to open a bakery, and it's probably then that he moved to duckburg ( in
strobl's and de Mello's stories, he is in Duckburg). then, he could have let
his beard grow up when he arrived in Duckburg... that was Grandpa Gearloose
aka Ratchet "Eureka" Gearloose's chronology :-)
Gilles
*Barks, in Uncle Scrooge goes to Disneyland
*Rosa, in Lo$2 and "the Cowboycaptain of the Cutty Sark", in these three
stories, he looks like Gyro with a longer beak, a big hat, and is called
Ratchet.
*Ivan Saidenberg, Irineu Soares Rodrigues, and Verci de Mello, in "Hist?ria
de Pat?polis:
O s?culo das luzes" (B 810094) and "Nos tempos do avi?o a lenha", from
1983. In these stories, he is Prof Pardalto, with a black beard and a flat
hat (Eur?ka in French)
* Tony Strobl and Steve Steere, in "Flipsy Tootle" (S 65114), in which he
also has a beard and a flat hat, and is only seen on b&w photographs, and is
only refered as grandpa Gearloose.
Don Rosa, althought it was probably not intentionnally, made me believe that
these characters were the same, because in "the captain of the cutty Sark",
he now wears a flat hat, and it could the same cap he has in Strobl's and de
Mello's stories, and in the same story, he tells at the end that he's going
to open a bakery, and it's probably then that he moved to duckburg ( in
strobl's and de Mello's stories, he is in Duckburg). then, he could have let
his beard grow up when he arrived in Duckburg... that was Grandpa Gearloose
aka Ratchet "Eureka" Gearloose's chronology :-)
Gilles
Lars Jensen
Egmont's "canon"
Message 416 -
2002-11-20 at 18:55:50
On November 15, Sigvald wrote:
> I understand that Egmont't have their own "canon" in many
> ways. For instance when some characters, which were often
> used previously, now are concidered non-existing in Duckburg
> and thus are un-wanted in new Disney Comics done for Egmont.
> I think this goes for characters like: Fethry Duck,
> Emil Eagle and even Ludwig von Drake.
>
> Can anyone here please tell us more about why this is
> happening, and which characters which are concidered
> non-existing by Egmont by now?
I think you're confusing the terms "canon" and "universe". As far as I
understand it, "canon" means whether or not a story actually happened.
"Universe" sums up which characters and places are usable in that
particular Disney licensee's stories.
To my knowledge, Egmont has never gone out and stated that any
particular story "didn't happen". (For example: A few years ago, they
printed my "Gall in the Family", which uses Scrooge's cousin Douglas
McDuck. The existence of Douglas contradicts other published stories,
where Scrooge is the only remaining McDuck. But still, Egmont published
my story without declaring it - or the other stories - non-canon.)
As far as the ECN universe is concerned, you mention Fethry Duck, Emil
Eagle and Ludwig Von Drake as characters you believe are currently not
used.
Sigvald, don't take this as a personal attack, but... do you ever read
the weekly? Cousin Fethry shows up all the time there, in newly produced
Danish stories.
But yeah, Emil Eagle and Ludwig are, sadly, not being used in Egmont's
production right now. The same goes for Grandma's mice Gus & Jaq as well
as Darkwing Duck, Newton, Clara Cluck and various others. A good rule of
thumb is: If you don't see certain characters in newly-produced stories
from Egmont, they're probably not using them right now. But (as in the
case of Fethry), remember to look carefully for the characters before
you conclude you don't see them!
As for why ECN don't use certain characters... Lots of reasons. All of
them pretty uninteresting, though. And who knows which "retired"
characters they may begin using again in the future.
Lars
> I understand that Egmont't have their own "canon" in many
> ways. For instance when some characters, which were often
> used previously, now are concidered non-existing in Duckburg
> and thus are un-wanted in new Disney Comics done for Egmont.
> I think this goes for characters like: Fethry Duck,
> Emil Eagle and even Ludwig von Drake.
>
> Can anyone here please tell us more about why this is
> happening, and which characters which are concidered
> non-existing by Egmont by now?
I think you're confusing the terms "canon" and "universe". As far as I
understand it, "canon" means whether or not a story actually happened.
"Universe" sums up which characters and places are usable in that
particular Disney licensee's stories.
To my knowledge, Egmont has never gone out and stated that any
particular story "didn't happen". (For example: A few years ago, they
printed my "Gall in the Family", which uses Scrooge's cousin Douglas
McDuck. The existence of Douglas contradicts other published stories,
where Scrooge is the only remaining McDuck. But still, Egmont published
my story without declaring it - or the other stories - non-canon.)
As far as the ECN universe is concerned, you mention Fethry Duck, Emil
Eagle and Ludwig Von Drake as characters you believe are currently not
used.
Sigvald, don't take this as a personal attack, but... do you ever read
the weekly? Cousin Fethry shows up all the time there, in newly produced
Danish stories.
But yeah, Emil Eagle and Ludwig are, sadly, not being used in Egmont's
production right now. The same goes for Grandma's mice Gus & Jaq as well
as Darkwing Duck, Newton, Clara Cluck and various others. A good rule of
thumb is: If you don't see certain characters in newly-produced stories
from Egmont, they're probably not using them right now. But (as in the
case of Fethry), remember to look carefully for the characters before
you conclude you don't see them!
As for why ECN don't use certain characters... Lots of reasons. All of
them pretty uninteresting, though. And who knows which "retired"
characters they may begin using again in the future.
Lars
Stefan Persson
Grandma/Ludwig/House of Mouse
Message 417 -
2002-11-20 at 20:02:27
----- Original Message -----
From: <sigvald at duckburg.dk>
To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: Grandma/Ludwig/House of Mouse
> But as you are saying - Ludwig IS apparently of the same generation
> as Scrooge, but most likely a few years younger (born sometime in
> the 1870's) and thus of the SAME AGE as Scrooge's sister Matilda
> (born 1871).
Right. Someone living in Scotland is of about the same age as someone else
living in Austria.
> > or the brother of Ludwig's son-in-law.
>
> ??? Donald has no brother...
Wrong. There is no knowledge of any brother, but that doesn't mean that
Donald doesn't have a brother, it just means that no brother has appeared in
any story.
> 1) This is Disney Comics family relations - not a real family
> we are dealing with.
Right. But you seem to treat it as a real family relation everywhere else.
> 2) This is very special family with a very special history.
> Remember that the sisters apparently left Scrooge in 1930.
> Matilda may have moved to Europe and met Ludwig there.
> They wouldn't keep any contact with Scrooge because of the
> incident in 1930.
Are you trying to prove that Ludwig is *not* married with Matilda? I thought
that you were trying to prove the *opposite*... Anyways:
On the 14th of November, you wrote:
>Nope. Why would he go to Matildas relatives if they divorced? Anyway there
is enaough family-tragedies in today's world - we don't need divorces in
Duckburg too.
Why would Ludwig go to Matilda's relatives if his wife*) prefered not to
meet them?
*) Note that I don't specify who, if anyone, is the wife.
> The only other relative left in Duckburg
> would then be the young Donald (who seems to have been
> raised at Grandma Duck's farm), Donald's sister Della
> may also have grown up at the farm - we don't know.
That is unlikely: Della has never been mentioned in any of the Paperino
Paperotto stories, taking place on that very farm.
> > If Donald's parents were born in USA, and their parents were the
> > immigrants from Austria, that makes it only more likely
> > that Ludwig is a more distant relation than first uncle.
>
> TO MUCH has been written by TO MANY artists about Donald's
> family to even consider such a theory.
Right. And "TO" MUCH has been written by "TO" MANY artists about Donald's
family to consider theories about any marriages of Ludwig's.
Stefan
From: <sigvald at duckburg.dk>
To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: Grandma/Ludwig/House of Mouse
> But as you are saying - Ludwig IS apparently of the same generation
> as Scrooge, but most likely a few years younger (born sometime in
> the 1870's) and thus of the SAME AGE as Scrooge's sister Matilda
> (born 1871).
Right. Someone living in Scotland is of about the same age as someone else
living in Austria.
> > or the brother of Ludwig's son-in-law.
>
> ??? Donald has no brother...
Wrong. There is no knowledge of any brother, but that doesn't mean that
Donald doesn't have a brother, it just means that no brother has appeared in
any story.
> 1) This is Disney Comics family relations - not a real family
> we are dealing with.
Right. But you seem to treat it as a real family relation everywhere else.
> 2) This is very special family with a very special history.
> Remember that the sisters apparently left Scrooge in 1930.
> Matilda may have moved to Europe and met Ludwig there.
> They wouldn't keep any contact with Scrooge because of the
> incident in 1930.
Are you trying to prove that Ludwig is *not* married with Matilda? I thought
that you were trying to prove the *opposite*... Anyways:
On the 14th of November, you wrote:
>Nope. Why would he go to Matildas relatives if they divorced? Anyway there
is enaough family-tragedies in today's world - we don't need divorces in
Duckburg too.
Why would Ludwig go to Matilda's relatives if his wife*) prefered not to
meet them?
*) Note that I don't specify who, if anyone, is the wife.
> The only other relative left in Duckburg
> would then be the young Donald (who seems to have been
> raised at Grandma Duck's farm), Donald's sister Della
> may also have grown up at the farm - we don't know.
That is unlikely: Della has never been mentioned in any of the Paperino
Paperotto stories, taking place on that very farm.
> > If Donald's parents were born in USA, and their parents were the
> > immigrants from Austria, that makes it only more likely
> > that Ludwig is a more distant relation than first uncle.
>
> TO MUCH has been written by TO MANY artists about Donald's
> family to even consider such a theory.
Right. And "TO" MUCH has been written by "TO" MANY artists about Donald's
family to consider theories about any marriages of Ludwig's.
Stefan
H.W.Fluks
USA Disney Comics
Message 418 -
2002-11-20 at 20:08:24
L. Schulte wrote:
> It would be great if [Gemstone]
> start an all-Don Rosa series like the German/Ehapa one.
Gladstone did 8 albums with Rosa stories, and Disney Comics did one. It
would be nice if Gemstone would continue this series (first reprinting the
stories that were only printed in the comics).
But apart from that, Gemstone could start printing all-new Rosa stories in
their comics. There are 12 stories waiting to be seen in English:
D 98202 24 pages, US "The Dutchman's Secret"
D 98346 24 pages, US "Escape From Forbidden Valley"
F PM 99001 12 pages, US "The Coin"
D 99078 33 pages, US "Quest For Kalevala"
F PM 00201 12 pages, US "Attaaaaaack!"
D 2000-002 28 pages, DD "The Three Caballeros Ride Again"
D 2000-191 17 pages, BB "The Beagle Boys Vs. The Money Bin"
F PM 01201 26 pages, US "The Sharpie of the Culebra Cut"
D 2001-024 28 pages, US "The Crown Of The Crusader Kings"
D 2001-095 13 pages, US "Forget It!"
D 2001-143 20 pages, GY "Gyro's First Invention"
D 2002-?? 26 pages, US "Dream of a Lifetime"
So we *could* have one new Rosa story a month, which would make a wonderful
year!
Of course, I *do* hope that Don will keep making new stories, to be printed
after the above.
--Harry.
> It would be great if [Gemstone]
> start an all-Don Rosa series like the German/Ehapa one.
Gladstone did 8 albums with Rosa stories, and Disney Comics did one. It
would be nice if Gemstone would continue this series (first reprinting the
stories that were only printed in the comics).
But apart from that, Gemstone could start printing all-new Rosa stories in
their comics. There are 12 stories waiting to be seen in English:
D 98202 24 pages, US "The Dutchman's Secret"
D 98346 24 pages, US "Escape From Forbidden Valley"
F PM 99001 12 pages, US "The Coin"
D 99078 33 pages, US "Quest For Kalevala"
F PM 00201 12 pages, US "Attaaaaaack!"
D 2000-002 28 pages, DD "The Three Caballeros Ride Again"
D 2000-191 17 pages, BB "The Beagle Boys Vs. The Money Bin"
F PM 01201 26 pages, US "The Sharpie of the Culebra Cut"
D 2001-024 28 pages, US "The Crown Of The Crusader Kings"
D 2001-095 13 pages, US "Forget It!"
D 2001-143 20 pages, GY "Gyro's First Invention"
D 2002-?? 26 pages, US "Dream of a Lifetime"
So we *could* have one new Rosa story a month, which would make a wonderful
year!
Of course, I *do* hope that Don will keep making new stories, to be printed
after the above.
--Harry.
Sigvald
Grandma/Ludwig/House of Mouse
Message 419 -
2002-11-21 at 00:26:09
"Stefan Persson" <reimersholme at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 2) This is very special family with a very special history.
>> Remember that the sisters apparently left Scrooge in 1930.
>> Matilda may have moved to Europe and met Ludwig there.
>> They wouldn't keep any contact with Scrooge because of the
>> incident in 1930.
>
> Are you trying to prove that Ludwig is *not* married
> with Matilda? I thought that you were trying to prove
> the *opposite*...
This is the second time someone here claims that I mean
the opposite of what I am actually writing. I hope it is
not some kind of dirty trick to make me look silly here?
Anyway what I tried to say in my above statement is that
Matilda my have gone to Europe shortly after the incident
in Scrooge's Money Bin in 1930.
In Europe may have met the Austrian Ludwig von
Drake and later married him. If they married in let's
say 1931 she would be 60 years so there would not be
any children.
She may have died around 1960. If so she would have
died 89 years old (nothing special with that) and
left her (probably younger) husband Ludwig a widower.
> Why would Ludwig go to Matilda's relatives if his
> wife preferred not to meet them?
I don't know, so I can only guess:
a) Curiosity. He would like to meet the richest man on Earth.
b) In her last day's Matilda may have asked him to do it for
her so that she could die in peace.
Anyway my mother's mother had a brother who went from Norway
to Canada in 1928. He died in 1992 without ever visiting Norway
again. So when he didn't return in 64 years, I say it's
possible that Matilda just didn't return in 30 years
without any hate or bitterness as a reason for it.
And one more thing: I don't try to PROVE anything in this
matter. I just try to show that Don Rosa's idea is as good
as any idea when it comes to Ludwig's background.
Sigvald :-)
>> 2) This is very special family with a very special history.
>> Remember that the sisters apparently left Scrooge in 1930.
>> Matilda may have moved to Europe and met Ludwig there.
>> They wouldn't keep any contact with Scrooge because of the
>> incident in 1930.
>
> Are you trying to prove that Ludwig is *not* married
> with Matilda? I thought that you were trying to prove
> the *opposite*...
This is the second time someone here claims that I mean
the opposite of what I am actually writing. I hope it is
not some kind of dirty trick to make me look silly here?
Anyway what I tried to say in my above statement is that
Matilda my have gone to Europe shortly after the incident
in Scrooge's Money Bin in 1930.
In Europe may have met the Austrian Ludwig von
Drake and later married him. If they married in let's
say 1931 she would be 60 years so there would not be
any children.
She may have died around 1960. If so she would have
died 89 years old (nothing special with that) and
left her (probably younger) husband Ludwig a widower.
> Why would Ludwig go to Matilda's relatives if his
> wife preferred not to meet them?
I don't know, so I can only guess:
a) Curiosity. He would like to meet the richest man on Earth.
b) In her last day's Matilda may have asked him to do it for
her so that she could die in peace.
Anyway my mother's mother had a brother who went from Norway
to Canada in 1928. He died in 1992 without ever visiting Norway
again. So when he didn't return in 64 years, I say it's
possible that Matilda just didn't return in 30 years
without any hate or bitterness as a reason for it.
And one more thing: I don't try to PROVE anything in this
matter. I just try to show that Don Rosa's idea is as good
as any idea when it comes to Ludwig's background.
Sigvald :-)
Arthur Faria Jr.
Gilles: patrusco's and pamela
Message 420 -
2002-11-21 at 07:01:20
Gilles wrote:
> is it possible to get scans from a brazilian dcmailers from both
patrosco's
> and pamela too for my duck family tree???
> thanks in advance
> superellsworth's page in the making!!!
Sure! Take a look at:
http://www.projesom.com.br/afaria/ancestors/Pamela_Pato.jpg
http://www.projesom.com.br/afaria/ancestors/Patrusco_Pato.jpg
BTW, Patrusco and Pamela Pato aren't relatives of the Duck Family,
so I'm wondering what family tree will you put them in...
Anyway, in Brazil many ducks who appeared in a story got
the surname (or designation) "Pato" (Duck), no matter he/she
is or not a relative of Donald Duck (called "Pato Donald" in
Brazil, which simply means "The duck named Donald" and not
"Donald from the Duck Family")
Actually, just in the last few years the Brazilian editors and
translators start worrying about those translation's incongruences
(or simple lack of surnames)...
Well, there's the case of Daisy *Duck*, who isn't Donald's
relative either, I presume... or is she?!?
-- Arthur.
> is it possible to get scans from a brazilian dcmailers from both
patrosco's
> and pamela too for my duck family tree???
> thanks in advance
> superellsworth's page in the making!!!
Sure! Take a look at:
http://www.projesom.com.br/afaria/ancestors/Pamela_Pato.jpg
http://www.projesom.com.br/afaria/ancestors/Patrusco_Pato.jpg
BTW, Patrusco and Pamela Pato aren't relatives of the Duck Family,
so I'm wondering what family tree will you put them in...
Anyway, in Brazil many ducks who appeared in a story got
the surname (or designation) "Pato" (Duck), no matter he/she
is or not a relative of Donald Duck (called "Pato Donald" in
Brazil, which simply means "The duck named Donald" and not
"Donald from the Duck Family")
Actually, just in the last few years the Brazilian editors and
translators start worrying about those translation's incongruences
(or simple lack of surnames)...
Well, there's the case of Daisy *Duck*, who isn't Donald's
relative either, I presume... or is she?!?
-- Arthur.