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Hi everyone!

S?ren:
>> Just spent the whole day indexing old Danish 1951 issues, and it struck
>> me how very few descriptions actually exists for Carl Barks stories in
>> Inducks--thus lacking in the COA search pages as well. [...]
>> I was wondering if perhaps someone out there (here) already did write
>> minor descriptions of the Carl Barks stories (5-20 words sentences),
>> which might be implemented in Inducks.

I started doing that when I made "Of Mice and Ducks":
http://ob7.free.fr/mice_and_ducks/
(trivia: as I opened the page to copy the address, I was visitor # 10101 :D )

1/ Pick a collection (25nd row of icons, labelled "Ducks Galore!"! WDC&S, DDA, ...

2/ In the (bottom left) gray frame, you now have a choice: Covers / Summaries / Album numbers

a/ The summaries (text in general) are displayed in the (bottom right) blue frame, Covers &
Summaries (all pictures) are displayed in the main (green) frame.

b/ Albums are presented by twos, with the cover and a panel from each story.
Click on a panel to display the summary (and vice versa: clicking on the summary will display the
corresponding album page); clicking on the cover will take you to the summary of the story the
picture is taken from.

c/ Available summaries so far: WDC&S, GG, Christmas Stories Album, a good part of DDA. These are
very short summaries (on line), just enough to identify the story-- and teasers rather than
spoilers, for those who don't know the stories.

d/ Additional information in the summaries (may not be complete): first times (eg: 1st appearance of
Gladstone), similar plots (ex: WDC&S 243 refers you to WDC&S 143)

3/ Keno Don Rosa has his own section, with L&T and the four Gladstone albums.

Feel free to use these (and link to M&D ;) ).

>>> PS. Originally the descriptions were mostly needed for "internal"
>>> identification of stories, and the CB stories were known to everybody

Well, apart from certain key stories ("Christmas on Bear Mountain", "Lost in the Andes", ...),
identifying a story based on its sole issue number (WDC&S 155) is not easy, however well you may
know the stories themselves; even finding in which album it was reprinted is not that easy. Hence my
selected panels-- unfortunately, I still have some scanning (and writing) to do.

Best wishes,

Olivier

David:
> We've got vintage Scarpa in our pockets because of combined
interest
> by my boss, Anna Maria Vind (who does most of the compilation on the
> pockets), and our publishers. There will be more of his work in the
> future, though not in every issue.

Hey, that's great! Thanks!

> Meanwhile, I'm the one who wanted "MM Outwits the Phantom Blot"
and
> "The Mail Pilot" (my personal favorite MM story from childhood) to
> appear in our weeklies, though in most countries "Blot" actually
> appeared a couple of years ago.

So it was decided in Egmont? I thought the Finnish publisher
decided that on their own.

> Improving Mickey's image? If you'll pardon me for sounding kinda
> *opinionated*, I think good new stories can do that every bit as well
> as good old stories. And I say that as a tremendous fan of good old
> stories, you know.

Well, I'm not so sure about that, unless you mean something really
good is coming. There has been some very good new Mickey stories -
for example the Mickey Mysteries series mentioned here two weeks ago -
but they don't have done the trick. Or at least I haven't noticed
any rise in Mickey publishing (which would indicate that the
publisher has noticed that Mickey's popularity is rising).

There have been some Goofy things, though. Does this mean? Hmm...

On the other hand, some good old classics might wake people and
they might notice that Mickey is not such a bad character after all.
(Not that I know anything about how to make a character popular.)

So what I mean is that, it's not that all of the new stories
are bad. It's that the readers won't notice that some of them
are good.

"timo ronkainen" <timoro at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I was asked about where to get relativily new issues of
> Danish and Swedish Anders And and Kalle Anka -comic books
> (weekly mag). Acquaintance of mine, Tenho, is interested
> of having few issues.

What's WRONG with the Norwegian Donald Duck & Co?

Sigvald :-)

Timo:

> I personally would prefer black and white reprints for Carl
> Barks, just like
> they did in original ten-box-set CBL. Barks never colored his
> duck stories,
> therefore any coloring is additional to Barks' original.

Barks also never reproduced and published his duck stories himself,
therefore any publication is additional to Barks' original.

But Barks *intended* his stories to be published, and to be published in
colour.

Anyway, neither what Barks did or did not, nor what his intentions were, are
relevant anymore for the discussion. *I* like to have a Carl Barks Library
in Color, i.e. the Gladstone color album series completed and printed in 30
books like the b/w CBL. (No need to have them in boxed sets, BTW.)

--Harry.

David wrote:
> Meanwhile, I'm the one who wanted "MM Outwits the Phantom Blot" and
>"The Mail Pilot" (my personal favorite MM story from childhood) to appear in
>our weeklies, though in most countries "Blot" actually appeared a couple of
>years ago.

Good job! I'd like to see more Gottfredson!

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Harry Fluks wrote:

> > So I only use to consider the *masters*'s unpublished ideas,
> > when it's possible...
>
> I think that about sums up the ideas here: published material is more
> important than unpublished material, but things Barks did are *always*
> more important that things that other people did.
>
> Ergo: unpublisheed Barks stuff is more important than *published*
> non-Barks stuff.
>
> That's at least what Gilles and Sigvald seem to find. And this does
> not contradict Lars's points of view, if you're willing to regard
> Barks an exception.

Sorry, but it *does* contradict my point of view, simply because I
*don't* regard Barks as an exception.

Stating that "things Barks did are *always* more important than things
other people did" is a statement I'm not sure Barks himself would have
agreed with. It's also in my opinion hurtful to people like Al
Taliaferro, who created a lot of the concepts Barks would use years
later. (By the way, Harry: Do you agree with this dismissal of
Taliaferro and other creators, or are you merely summarizing it for our
benefit?)

Yes, I consider Barks the ultimate authority on all things Barks, like
Scrooge, Gladstone, the Junior Woodchucks and so on (although there
should be some room for reinterpretation). But that's only because he
created those concepts. Saying that Barks should set the only valid
standard on how to use, say, Grandma Duck, Brigitta MacBridge or Ludwig
Von Drake makes no sense to me. In those cases, I would look to
Taliaferro, Scarpa and the cartoons as the "ultimate authorities". Not
Barks.

Regarding the conclusion that "unpublished Barks stuff is more important
than *published* non-Barks stuff"... I've posted earlier about my
feelings on the general value of unpublished material, so I'm not going
to go into that again. I *do* have one argument regarding the value of
unpublished Barks stuff, though.

When Barks did his "Tralla La" and "The Lost Crown of Genghis Khan!"
stories, he didn't draw cross-references from one to the other; he said
nothing about "Tralla La"'s kingdom of Tralla La once having been
occupied by "Lost Crown"'s Khans. (In fact, since Tralla La was based on
Shangri-La, it most likely *didn't* have anything to do with Xanadu
originally.) In Don Rosa's story "Return to Xanadu", Don establishes
that Tralla La and Kublai's Xanadu are one and the same. Since even
unpublished Barks ideas are apparently worth more than actual, published
stories from other creators... Does that mean "Return to Xanadu" is out
of continuity and should be dismissed as having never happened? Millions
of readers (and probably most DCML posters) would disagree.

If all stories that do not conform 100% to Barks' published or
unpublished ideas are frowned upon, the frowners might find themselves
leaping to criticize *a
lot* of stories they might otherwise have allowed themselves to enjoy.

Lars

Hi!!!
There's a great site about Von Drake :
http://vondrake.com
It's a bit offtopic, as it mainly deals with cartoons, not comics, but there is a nice biography of Ludwig (i dunno if the informations provided are official, but they are still interresting....)
Gilles MAURICE

Concerning the Von Drake site Gilles mentioned, within the Von Drake Bio,
the webauthor, speaking as Ludwig, states, "I was born to Canard and
Mallordy von Drake in the little town of Wauteurfouel, Austria."
http://vondrake.com/vondrake/index.htm

Does anyone on the list here know if this is a quote from a cartoon or
comicbook, or if this was invented by the webauthor? I know that Ludwig is
supposed to hail from Austria, but I had never see any reference to his
parents, and the reference I have for his hometown is Vienna, Austria.

As an aside, I always like Ludwig 'cause he premiered September 24, 1961,
which is exactly one year after I did! ;-)

Thanks,

Rich Bellacera
xephyr at cwnet.com

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