Kai Saarto <ksaarto at mbnet.fi> wrote:
>
> M.J. Prior wrote:
>
>> Well, I still think it's a nice story. Dying from over-eating
>> at a free-lunch picknick is a very likely thing to have happened
>> to Gladstone's parents, assuming they must have had about the
>> same character as Gladstone (who manages to get everything for
>> free, due to his good luck).
>
> It would be nice if someone would do a story about how this
> has affected Gladstone. He seems trying to avoid using his
> luck to get too much. For example in Barks' "A Financial
> Fable" he uses his luck only slightly because doesn't want
> to bother for money. Maybe the terrible fate of his parents
> has tought him not to overdo it...
There are several reasons such a story probably won't be done:
a) It will contradict Egomont's official view of the Duck-universe.
b) Death of characters is VERY seldom a topic in these kind of
Disney stories - especially when it comes to tragedies like
this would have been.
> Gladstone as a tragic figure. That would be cool.
> Something like $crooge and Goldie.
Yes, that would be something new, if there is a way it
could be done.
Sigvald :-)
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Sigvald
About Gladstone sparents
Message 271 -
2002-11-15 at 18:43:39
John Garvin
Hew haw's not so hidden appeal
Message 272 -
2002-11-15 at 18:54:21
Dan wrote:
** As for HEE-HAW, I don't have the same fondness for that show as many do, but
I understand its appeal. It was not the least bit topical in its humor, and
the laughs were often forced (to say the least). But it reached out to two
different audiences. One just liked the cornpone jokes, blacked out teeth,
freckles, and absence of anything that made them think too hard.
The other, probably smaller audience tuned in to see all that and realize
that the show was lampooning itself. **
Heh, don't forget the appeal of the half-dressed Hee Haw babes. That's why I watched it as a kid. :) That's also why I watched Laugh-In, its supposedly more sophisticated counterpart, which was topical in the extreme, but otherwise shared almost every trait it had with Hee Haw.
jg
** As for HEE-HAW, I don't have the same fondness for that show as many do, but
I understand its appeal. It was not the least bit topical in its humor, and
the laughs were often forced (to say the least). But it reached out to two
different audiences. One just liked the cornpone jokes, blacked out teeth,
freckles, and absence of anything that made them think too hard.
The other, probably smaller audience tuned in to see all that and realize
that the show was lampooning itself. **
Heh, don't forget the appeal of the half-dressed Hee Haw babes. That's why I watched it as a kid. :) That's also why I watched Laugh-In, its supposedly more sophisticated counterpart, which was topical in the extreme, but otherwise shared almost every trait it had with Hee Haw.
jg
Sigvald
Egmont's "canon"
Message 273 -
2002-11-15 at 18:56:00
Hi all!
I understand that Egmont't have their own "canon" in many
ways. For instance when some characters, which were often
used previously, now are concidered non-existing in Duckburg
and thus are un-wanted in new Disney Comics done for Egmont.
I think this goes for characters like: Fethry Duck,
Emil Eagle and even Ludwig von Drake.
Can anyone here please tell us more about why this is
happening, and which characters which are concidered
non-existing by Egmont by now?
Sigvald :-)
I understand that Egmont't have their own "canon" in many
ways. For instance when some characters, which were often
used previously, now are concidered non-existing in Duckburg
and thus are un-wanted in new Disney Comics done for Egmont.
I think this goes for characters like: Fethry Duck,
Emil Eagle and even Ludwig von Drake.
Can anyone here please tell us more about why this is
happening, and which characters which are concidered
non-existing by Egmont by now?
Sigvald :-)
Gary Leach
DCML digest, Vol 1 #1140 - 15 msgs
Message 274 -
2002-11-15 at 20:02:25
Dan:
> Inexplicable?!!!
>
> Well, I'll try to explain it for ya.
No need. I watched The Beverly Hillbilllies, Petticoat Junction, Green
Acres, Hee Haw and Andy Griffith (clear through its Mayberry R.F.D.
incarnation) religiously throughout their first runs. I know what I
liked about 'em at the time, but except for the black-and-white Andy
Griffiths I can't stomach 'em today.
Well, I do still love the "grunion run" episode of The Beverly
Hillbillies; few things beat it for unadulterated lunacy.
All right, very off topic, this. But Granny Clampett would have said it
was "Pizen Bluff" sure enough, and woe to anyone who would have dared
misguidedly correct her.
Gary
> Inexplicable?!!!
>
> Well, I'll try to explain it for ya.
No need. I watched The Beverly Hillbilllies, Petticoat Junction, Green
Acres, Hee Haw and Andy Griffith (clear through its Mayberry R.F.D.
incarnation) religiously throughout their first runs. I know what I
liked about 'em at the time, but except for the black-and-white Andy
Griffiths I can't stomach 'em today.
Well, I do still love the "grunion run" episode of The Beverly
Hillbillies; few things beat it for unadulterated lunacy.
All right, very off topic, this. But Granny Clampett would have said it
was "Pizen Bluff" sure enough, and woe to anyone who would have dared
misguidedly correct her.
Gary
Dan Shane
DCML digest, Vol 1 #1141 - 20 msgs
Message 275 -
2002-11-15 at 20:19:27
GARY WRITES:
> All right, very off topic, this. But Granny Clampett would have said it
> was "Pizen Bluff" sure enough, and woe to anyone who would have dared
> misguidedly correct her.
AND I INTERJECT:
"Old woman, I can have your job!" -- Jane Hathaway
"You sure can, and the sooner the better!" -- Granny (Daisy) Clampett
See what you've started? Well, at least Granny's name almost makes my
"contribution" appropriate for the list.
Dan
> All right, very off topic, this. But Granny Clampett would have said it
> was "Pizen Bluff" sure enough, and woe to anyone who would have dared
> misguidedly correct her.
AND I INTERJECT:
"Old woman, I can have your job!" -- Jane Hathaway
"You sure can, and the sooner the better!" -- Granny (Daisy) Clampett
See what you've started? Well, at least Granny's name almost makes my
"contribution" appropriate for the list.
Dan
Gary Leach
Additional
Message 276 -
2002-11-15 at 20:32:31
My reference to "Granny Clampett" in my previous posting begs a
question: as the character referred to the family patriarch, Jed
Clampett, as her son-in-law, what was her actual last name? If memory
serves, she was referred to more than once during the course of the
series as "Granny Clampett", which was either a error on the part of
the characters who called her this (though they were never corrected as
far as I can remember), or that was her last name as much as it was
Jed's. In the "hillbilly" milieu from which these characters emerged it
would not have been remarkable for close cousins to marry (the strict
legality of it is quite beside the point), so common last names would
not be too uncommon. But was this actually the case? On a network TV
show of the 1960s?
The precise family relationships of the Duck family aren't the only
ones that can get muddled, boy.
Gary
question: as the character referred to the family patriarch, Jed
Clampett, as her son-in-law, what was her actual last name? If memory
serves, she was referred to more than once during the course of the
series as "Granny Clampett", which was either a error on the part of
the characters who called her this (though they were never corrected as
far as I can remember), or that was her last name as much as it was
Jed's. In the "hillbilly" milieu from which these characters emerged it
would not have been remarkable for close cousins to marry (the strict
legality of it is quite beside the point), so common last names would
not be too uncommon. But was this actually the case? On a network TV
show of the 1960s?
The precise family relationships of the Duck family aren't the only
ones that can get muddled, boy.
Gary
Sigvald
Scrooge's Money Bin is filled with invalid money?
Message 277 -
2002-11-15 at 21:48:53
Hi all!
We know that Scrooge's Money Bin is filled with money he has
earned through a long life. This money which cover notes and
coins representing most or every known currency are never
used for any other purpose than for Scrooge to swim in them.
But there is also another not so obvious reason why they are
never used - some or even maybe most of that money CANNOT be
used, simply because coins and notes become invalid after some
time when old series of coins and notes is removed in order to
be replaced by new series. This has recently happened in Norway.
The coins and notes we used in Norway when I grew up in the
1970's are now invalid. So the large amount of 10-øre coins
which I collected in those years (I still have them) are invalid.
And then currencies can be changed, as when most EU-countries
recently replaced their old currencies with the new Euro
currency.
Sigvald :-)
We know that Scrooge's Money Bin is filled with money he has
earned through a long life. This money which cover notes and
coins representing most or every known currency are never
used for any other purpose than for Scrooge to swim in them.
But there is also another not so obvious reason why they are
never used - some or even maybe most of that money CANNOT be
used, simply because coins and notes become invalid after some
time when old series of coins and notes is removed in order to
be replaced by new series. This has recently happened in Norway.
The coins and notes we used in Norway when I grew up in the
1970's are now invalid. So the large amount of 10-øre coins
which I collected in those years (I still have them) are invalid.
And then currencies can be changed, as when most EU-countries
recently replaced their old currencies with the new Euro
currency.
Sigvald :-)
Frank Bubacz
Ludwig on the railway platform / Strobl
Message 278 -
2002-11-16 at 00:48:00
Hey Simon,
The story, "Duckburg, USA" (W LVD 1-02) was drawn by no other than Strobl,
and here you can find some info on him:
http://art-bin.com/art/strobleng.html
BTW, it's refreshing to see some other artists than Barks and Rosa mentioned
now and then... ;-)
Frank
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The story, "Duckburg, USA" (W LVD 1-02) was drawn by no other than Strobl,
and here you can find some info on him:
http://art-bin.com/art/strobleng.html
BTW, it's refreshing to see some other artists than Barks and Rosa mentioned
now and then... ;-)
Frank
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CarmenG
Proto-Mickey
Message 279 -
2002-11-16 at 01:23:30
You can find an article in English at:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/1/hi/entertainment/arts/2481749.stm
It reminds me of a book entitled (I think) The Art of Mickey Mouse, a
collection of portraits of the mouse as they would be rendered by famous
artists.
I know a market for duck pictures like this would be small, but does anyone
know if the ducks appear in much "mainstream" art? I know I have seen a
Donald painting by a northern European artist on a CD cover. I know, that's
REALLY vague, but I can't remember the artist or the country. Sweden, maybe?
Could be, as I think the recording label was Bis, which I believe is a
Swedish company.
Sorry--my memory is not what it was these days. But perhaps this artist is
well-known in Europe & maybe this type of artwork is more common there, too.
p.s. off-topic--you want a truly hilarious & surreal hillbilly show? Green
Acres. More laughs per acre, guaranteed. Isn't that right, Mr. Haney?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/1/hi/entertainment/arts/2481749.stm
It reminds me of a book entitled (I think) The Art of Mickey Mouse, a
collection of portraits of the mouse as they would be rendered by famous
artists.
I know a market for duck pictures like this would be small, but does anyone
know if the ducks appear in much "mainstream" art? I know I have seen a
Donald painting by a northern European artist on a CD cover. I know, that's
REALLY vague, but I can't remember the artist or the country. Sweden, maybe?
Could be, as I think the recording label was Bis, which I believe is a
Swedish company.
Sorry--my memory is not what it was these days. But perhaps this artist is
well-known in Europe & maybe this type of artwork is more common there, too.
p.s. off-topic--you want a truly hilarious & surreal hillbilly show? Green
Acres. More laughs per acre, guaranteed. Isn't that right, Mr. Haney?
Lgiver
Inter-species marriage --- Scottie McTerrier
Message 280 -
2002-11-16 at 09:39:40
Don Markstein said that Scottie was related to the McDucks. I was
doubtful, but after reading quickly through "The Old Castle's Secret",
I found near the end of the story, after "Diamond Dick" the imposter
Scottie is caught in the mud with the treasure, he confessed "I knew
about the treasure because me third wife was a McDuck on her
great Grandfather's side" (page 31, panel 5). We don't have any
idea what species this third wife may have been.
---Larry Giver.
doubtful, but after reading quickly through "The Old Castle's Secret",
I found near the end of the story, after "Diamond Dick" the imposter
Scottie is caught in the mud with the treasure, he confessed "I knew
about the treasure because me third wife was a McDuck on her
great Grandfather's side" (page 31, panel 5). We don't have any
idea what species this third wife may have been.
---Larry Giver.
Ari Seppi
Proto-Mickey
Message 281 -
2002-11-16 at 09:49:31
Carmen:
>I know a market for duck pictures like this would be small, but does anyone
>know if the ducks appear in much "mainstream" art? I know I have seen a
>Donald painting by a northern European artist on a CD cover. I know, that's
>REALLY vague, but I can't remember the artist or the country. Sweden, maybe?
>
>Sorry--my memory is not what it was these days. But perhaps this artist is
>well-known in Europe & maybe this type of artwork is more common there, too.
The artist is probably Finnish Kaj Stenvall
( http://www.kajstenvall.com/html/site_eng.html , notice the gallery).
He is pretty well-known at least in Finland, I don't know about
his popularity in other European countries.
--
Ari Seppi (ari.seppi at iki.fi)
http://www.iki.fi/mani/
>I know a market for duck pictures like this would be small, but does anyone
>know if the ducks appear in much "mainstream" art? I know I have seen a
>Donald painting by a northern European artist on a CD cover. I know, that's
>REALLY vague, but I can't remember the artist or the country. Sweden, maybe?
>
>Sorry--my memory is not what it was these days. But perhaps this artist is
>well-known in Europe & maybe this type of artwork is more common there, too.
The artist is probably Finnish Kaj Stenvall
( http://www.kajstenvall.com/html/site_eng.html , notice the gallery).
He is pretty well-known at least in Finland, I don't know about
his popularity in other European countries.
--
Ari Seppi (ari.seppi at iki.fi)
http://www.iki.fi/mani/
Simon De Beer
House of Mouse
Message 282 -
2002-11-16 at 14:19:32
Slightly off topic but can anyone tell me if and where I can view scans or publications of Clarabelle Cow or Horace Horsecollar from the TV House of Mouse cartoons? I want to see clearly how the Disney Studios currently draws these characters. I understand that a DVD might be available but I can't get hold of it. Thanks
Simon de Beer
Simon de Beer
Dan Shane
The other Daisy
Message 283 -
2002-11-16 at 14:36:36
GARY WROTE:
> My reference to "Granny Clampett" in my previous posting begs a
> question: as the character referred to the family patriarch, Jed
> Clampett, as her son-in-law, what was her actual last name? If memory
> serves, she was referred to more than once during the course of the
> series as "Granny Clampett", which was either a error on the part of
> the characters who called her this (though they were never corrected as
> far as I can remember), or that was her last name as much as it was
> Jed's. In the "hillbilly" milieu from which these characters emerged it
> would not have been remarkable for close cousins to marry (the strict
> legality of it is quite beside the point), so common last names would
> not be too uncommon. But was this actually the case? On a network TV
> show of the 1960s?
AND I REPLY:
Granny's real name was Daisy Moses. And before we finish this off-topic
thread, the Clampett clan was from the Missouri/Arkansas Ozarks, but
Granny's side of the family was from eastern Tennessee, placing her origins
closer to the Smoky Mountains. There are still many pockets of the Kentucky
and Tennessee hills where people still speak the closest dialect on the
planet to that spoken by the contemporaries of William Shakespeare. What
most people believe to sound "hick" and "hillbilly" is truer to its English
roots than the English spoken in the rest of America. So is the music still
played there.
Maybe if we asked them they could tell us how to pronounce "wizened."
Dan
> My reference to "Granny Clampett" in my previous posting begs a
> question: as the character referred to the family patriarch, Jed
> Clampett, as her son-in-law, what was her actual last name? If memory
> serves, she was referred to more than once during the course of the
> series as "Granny Clampett", which was either a error on the part of
> the characters who called her this (though they were never corrected as
> far as I can remember), or that was her last name as much as it was
> Jed's. In the "hillbilly" milieu from which these characters emerged it
> would not have been remarkable for close cousins to marry (the strict
> legality of it is quite beside the point), so common last names would
> not be too uncommon. But was this actually the case? On a network TV
> show of the 1960s?
AND I REPLY:
Granny's real name was Daisy Moses. And before we finish this off-topic
thread, the Clampett clan was from the Missouri/Arkansas Ozarks, but
Granny's side of the family was from eastern Tennessee, placing her origins
closer to the Smoky Mountains. There are still many pockets of the Kentucky
and Tennessee hills where people still speak the closest dialect on the
planet to that spoken by the contemporaries of William Shakespeare. What
most people believe to sound "hick" and "hillbilly" is truer to its English
roots than the English spoken in the rest of America. So is the music still
played there.
Maybe if we asked them they could tell us how to pronounce "wizened."
Dan
Donald D. Markstein
About Gladstone´s parents
Message 284 -
2002-11-16 at 16:19:17
> It would nice if someone would do a story about how this has affected
> Gladstone. He seems trying to avoid using his luck to get too much. For
> example in Barks' "A Financial Fable" he uses his luck only slightly
> because doesn't want to bother for money. Maybe the terrible fate of his
> parents has taught him not to overdo it...
More likely, it's because that would be a form of work.
Quack, Don
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> Gladstone. He seems trying to avoid using his luck to get too much. For
> example in Barks' "A Financial Fable" he uses his luck only slightly
> because doesn't want to bother for money. Maybe the terrible fate of his
> parents has taught him not to overdo it...
More likely, it's because that would be a form of work.
Quack, Don
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Donald D. Markstein
Inter-species marriage --- Scottie McTerrier
Message 285 -
2002-11-16 at 16:28:17
> Don Markstein said that Scottie was related to the McDucks. I was
> doubtful, but after reading quickly through "The Old Castle's Secret",
> I found near the end of the story, after "Diamond Dick" the imposter
> Scottie is caught in the mud with the treasure, he confessed "I knew
> about the treasure because me third wife was a McDuck on her
> great Grandfather's side" (page 31, panel 5). We don't have any
> idea what species this third wife may have been.
> ---Larry Giver.
Okay, then, he was related by marriage. Still, somewhere along the way, we
have ducks related to or marrying dogfaces, so I just don't see why anybody
would think species differences would be a barrier to family relationships.
Quack, Don
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> doubtful, but after reading quickly through "The Old Castle's Secret",
> I found near the end of the story, after "Diamond Dick" the imposter
> Scottie is caught in the mud with the treasure, he confessed "I knew
> about the treasure because me third wife was a McDuck on her
> great Grandfather's side" (page 31, panel 5). We don't have any
> idea what species this third wife may have been.
> ---Larry Giver.
Okay, then, he was related by marriage. Still, somewhere along the way, we
have ducks related to or marrying dogfaces, so I just don't see why anybody
would think species differences would be a barrier to family relationships.
Quack, Don
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