Keskustelujen arkisto

Hi!

My Duck family tree has become really big since the day i started it, but i
still have some troubles : lack of scans and original names...
this is a list of the italian characters i have problems with :

- Rockerduck's nephew from "Paperino e l'isola col singhiozzo", by Gatti and
Chendi :
http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/S+72142
I need his original name, which is Ars?ne in French

- Scrooge's gold digger cousin from "Zio Paperone e la grande bicchierata",
by Scarpa :
http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/S+71086
I need his original name (Arpagon Pictou in French)

- "Paperino eroe di Duckburg", by Scarpa :
http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/I+TL++683-A
I need the ancestors' original names

- Gus' girlfriend from "Ciccio a primavera" by Luciano Gatto:
http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/I+TL+2210-2
I need a scan of her

- Scrooge's cousin and ancestor from "Paperino e il calumet della pace", by
Bottaro :
http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/I+TL++290-A
I need scans of them

- Scrooge's uncle from "Lo zio di Zio Paperone", by Gatti and Concina :
http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/I+AT++285-B
I need a scan of him

- ancestors from "Paperino e il vento del Sud",the "Gone with the wind"
parody by Carpi:
http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/I+TL+1396-A
I need scans of the characters related to Donald Butler's family

thanks, Gilles
http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/trees/

>From: "Mads Jensen" <astrup_jensen at hotmail.com>
>To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
>Subject: D 99295
>Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 12:34:22 +0200

>I just read D 99295: "Donald Duck - Heavy Traffic", and noticed a very
>funny, little detail on page 10 panel 8, in which Barks has got his own
>boulevard, entitled "Barks Boulevard" in the Danish version. Is there
>anyone
>who can tell me if there are other translation that includes this detail ?
>According to I.N.D.U.C.Ks it hasn't been published in USA yet.

Strange: on page 10 page 8 of the Swedish translation there's no mention of
any address at all, but both "Carls Gata" [sic!] and "Barks V?g" [sic! x 2]
are mentioned on page 7 panel 8.

Stefan

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Olaf Solstrand said:
> Donald reported an accident at the Barks Boulevard / Gottfredson
> Street crossroad.

Of course, this means there should probably be other roads in
Duckburg named:

Barks Boulevard
Gottfredson Street
Disney Drive
Scarpa Lane
Van Horn Vista
Taliaferro Real
Strobl Street
Murry Highway
Iwerks Thoroughfare
Rosa Road
Marin Way
Ferioli Court
Gerstein Avenue
Lazaro Artery
Bottaro Passage
Carpi Path
Rota Route
Jensen Line
Jippes Drag
Vicar Track
Branca Branch
Block Block
and so forth...

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Hi Gilles!

I can only help you with the following stories:

> - Rockerduck's nephew from "Paperino e l'isola col singhiozzo", by Gatti
and Chendi :
>http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/S+72142
>I need his original name, which is Ars?ne in French

Pepito.

>- Scrooge's gold digger cousin from "Zio Paperone e la grande bicchierata",
by Scarpa :
>http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/S+71086
>I need his original name (Arpagon Pictou in French)

Arpagon De' Paperoni. However, note that this story (as well as the previous
one) is S-coded, which means that the original plot was written by somebody
in the U.S.A. - so, it's not totally correct to see the Italian names as the
"original" ones...

>- "Paperino eroe di Duckburg", by Scarpa :
>http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/I+TL++683-A
>I need the ancestors' original names

Paperino, Ciccio, Gastone, Zio Paperone, Nonna Papera - they simply carry
the same name of the "regular" characters (actually, Donald refers to the
story hero as "Bisnonno Paperino", i.e., "Grand-grandfather Donald").

>- Scrooge's cousin and ancestor from "Paperino e il calumet della pace", by
>Bottaro :
>http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/I+TL++290-A
>I need scans of them

I'll try to provide them to you over the weekend...

Ciao,
Armando

Stefan
>
>Strange: on page 10 page 8 of the Swedish translation there's no mention
>of
>any address at all, but both "Carls Gata" [sic!] and "Barks V?g" [sic! x
>2]
>are mentioned on page 7 panel 8.
>
I understand the sics, i think. Cause I visited a street myself, near
stockholm this summer:
Carl Barks V?gen - Carl Barks Road. The name has it's origin in some
swedish poet called Carl Bark,
but if i recall correctly what i read in an old kurir from the swedish
donaldist society it had some role in the case of demonstrating for
renaming a street Carl Barks' Road. I believe when the donaldiusts found
this road, they gave up, having gained their goal for the demonstration.
So danish donaldists: any street we want to rename, or is their also a
Gottfredson-streeet near you? Does Rosevej count? How about Andrupsgade?
that's a road in my neighboor town - and in Duckburg in the danish
translations one of the soccerplayers are named that.

BTW Sorry to Olaf - I think it was Mads who started the thread?

Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist

about this saga, I forgot to give you the story codes...
and i forgot to tell half of the authors : the great Romano Scarpa and Guido
martina
THE CODES:
I TL 749-A
I TL 750-A
I TL 751-A
I TL 752-A
I TL 753-A
I TL 754-A
I TL 755-A
I TL 756-A

Gilles

Hi!
Searching through INDUCKS, i found this 1968 Taliaferro/Karp strip :
http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/YD+68-09-23
its only known publication seems to be in the Brazilian Almanaque Disney #
134, from 1982
this would be interresting for me to see a scan of the strip, as relatives of
Donald appear in it, and :
- it's very rare in these years to find background Duck characters
- I'd like to include them in my Duck family tree, or at least to quote this
strip...
thnanks,
Gilles

ANDERS CHRISTIAN SIVEBAEK to me, 19-07-2003:

>> I repeat that - i would like to meet them [the Dutch editors]
>> so we could clear up this long-time misunderstandment, as it
>> probably is.

Okay. I'm curious what they will say. (Do you mean you have plans to
travel to The Netherlands on the short term?)

> [Donald Duck Extra] But when one can compare it looks strange to see
> a nice magazine - but with covers made by another atist, or maybe just
> traced by another artist. The story inside is printed in one part - but
> the version that is meant for publishing in several issues is printed.
> Those two things are the only things I see wrong with the printing of
> Rosa in the extra - it's not much, but it's there.
> But all that doesn't mean that the editors can't be big Rosa-fans -
> I wouldn't know, I have no contact with them.

I think the multi-part versions are used because they are already
coloured when the Dutch editors buy them as story material from Egmont.

I've heard that the extra pages are used to give Rosa's stories some
moments of rest and recapitulation.

>> The Dutch editors have also used improper versions of Barks's stories
>> (like missing panels, or even pages).

> Does this make the whole thing better, if I may so ask?

No, but my point was that the Dutch editor isn't intentionally ignorant
towards Don Rosa's stories, as has for a long time been suggested here
on DCML. It's rather the opposite situation, because Don Rosa's stories
are faithfully published in albums, contrary to most other artists.

> Rosa is, maybe to say the most perhaps the heir - an apprentice who
> didn't meet the "wizard" untill 1998. -

What do you mean to say with this? "Don Rosa is the son of god, his only
son, and no one else will guide you to comic book heaven", or something
like that? I don't want to step into such a discussion. And why would you?
There are many, MANY "Barks heirs" who write great stories and draw great
art.

> Barks is, in the yes of many the big master - and they treat the
> versions of his stories with the same care? Is it impossible to find
> the original prints, so they could reconstruct what deisappered under
> resume-boxes or put in again the pages that are gone? The italian
> publishers does this - so why can't the dutch.

And why can't anyone else?

>> They sometimes change Barks's words in the translations.

> Well - translators often do that.
> Actually i'd like to know about the dutch tradition of translating!
> I've heard about Erika Fuchs and Peter Daibenzeiher (Germany), Per
> Westrin and Stefan Di?s (Sweden), Sonja Rindom and Niels S?ndergaard
> (Denmark) and i don't remember more names right now. These people have
> had different traditions of translating - either faithful to the
> original, or maybe more independant How are the dutch translators?

I think the Dutch translations of Barks's stories are rather good.
They not nescessarily 100% accurate to the original words, though.
Sometimes the Dutch translations are different because of artistic
reasons (making them more understandable, recognizable, or funnier,
for Dutch readers), but they also have been different because of
having to translate a foreign non-English source. The latter mostly
happened in the past.

>> They have used/re-used odd colouring for Barks's art.

> Well, I wouldn't accept that happily -

I don't, but that wasn't my point.

> But it sure doesn't make the case better that they treat the stories
> of the master in the same way as they do with "The new Duckmaster"
> (That's the name of a homepage)

What do you mean to say with this? Don Rosa is "The new Duckmaster"
because a homepage has been titled that way? I really don't see why
you seem to want to turn this subject into a "Barks heir" discussion.

> But you dutch people have told me before they have this tradition of
> redrawng covers and other things - Only the first couple of albums with
> barks-stories had Barks-covers in Netherland, then it was stopped - Why
> is that? I'd like to hear the reason for this
> I don't believe that they don't find the many covers that Barks and
> others have made not good enough?

I think the new covers are drawn to give Dutch publications a consistent
look and style. Different artists have different styles, and even these
individual styles change throughout the artists's careers. Using these
covers on principle would give the Dutch covers an inconsistent look,
and some of these covers are simply not attractive enough for the Dutch
market. For example, some of the later Gladstone covers would be too
empty and stiff for a Dutch publication.

>> Here on DCML, the Dutch editors seem to have a bad reputation when
>> it comes to Don Rosa. This has been going on for years, as long as
>> I can remember. Do they really deserve that bad reputation, given
>> the efforts I've just mentioned? Or are there other reasons?

> There sure isn't anything more in my criticism than the fact that
> *I* think they could put a little more effort into some of these
> things. Some of the other dutch Rosa-readers I've mailed with think
> the same...

Undoubtly, there will be people who think the same about this as you
(or me). There's no need to mention that, while defending/explaining
your opinion. Let those people stand up and speak for themselves.

--- Dani?l