mateusz lis <lis- at wp.pl> wrote:
> I've just re-read "Kaczor Donald" 31-2002.
> This is a special 350. issue and it contains
> short descriptions of the most popular Disney
> duck characters. The facts metioned there are
> well-known, but these descriptions are
> interesting for me for other reason. They are
> very similar to these from "Who is who in
> Duckburg" - a site by our friend Sigvald
> Grosfjeld jr.
Very interesting. I think it's a good way of presenting these characters.
Off course they could have added that the actual dates are given by Don
Rosa.
What confuses me a bit about many of the comments in this thread though, is
the skeptic views about publisher's use of information given by Don Rosa.
While other information given by artists other than Don Rosa and Carl Barks
(ref. G.Blum and Ms Guackfaster) doesn't seem to be meet with the same
sceptic views here.
Sigvald
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Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Who is who in Duckburg
Message 226 -
2003-08-12 at 03:05:32
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Who is who in Duckburg
Message 227 -
2003-08-12 at 03:26:34
SIGVALD GROSFJELD to STEFAN PERSSON, 12-08-2003:
> Once [Barks] stated that the Money Bin on Kill Motor Hill was
> raised in 1880 also (70 years in 1950 or so).
Can you mention which Barks story you mean? Just curious.
> We both know that Barks din't mean that $crooge raised his Bin
> the same year as he was born.
When did Barks tell that? Can you mention a source?
Maybe Scrooge was a very fast growing duckling, once he came out of
his egg. Without clear facts, everything is possible. Therefore we
cannot know.
--- Dani?l
> Once [Barks] stated that the Money Bin on Kill Motor Hill was
> raised in 1880 also (70 years in 1950 or so).
Can you mention which Barks story you mean? Just curious.
> We both know that Barks din't mean that $crooge raised his Bin
> the same year as he was born.
When did Barks tell that? Can you mention a source?
Maybe Scrooge was a very fast growing duckling, once he came out of
his egg. Without clear facts, everything is possible. Therefore we
cannot know.
--- Dani?l
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Confusing confusion
Message 228 -
2003-08-12 at 03:29:50
Daniel van Eijmeren <dve at kabelfoon.nl> wrote:
> This confusion already has been FULLY explained
> by Olaf Solstrand and Rodney himself.
I know, I know, I discovered that shortly after I answered Rodeny's first
posting. Lately there has been so high activity on DCML that I can't read
all mails first before going back to give my comments. So I answered
Rodney's mail at once, not knowing about later comments in the same thread.
Hopefully this ends this round of confusion.
Sigvald
> This confusion already has been FULLY explained
> by Olaf Solstrand and Rodney himself.
I know, I know, I discovered that shortly after I answered Rodeny's first
posting. Lately there has been so high activity on DCML that I can't read
all mails first before going back to give my comments. So I answered
Rodney's mail at once, not knowing about later comments in the same thread.
Hopefully this ends this round of confusion.
Sigvald
Thomas Pryds Lauritsen
Vehicles of Scrooge and the nephews
Message 229 -
2003-08-12 at 04:20:41
fra: Daniel van Eijmeren <dve at kabelfoon.nl>
Dato: 11/08/03 22:40
> I think there are a few Barks stories in which the nephews drive
> Donald's car. I can think of only one example, the story about the
> howlingest cat in the whole neighborhood. (WDC 76)
Another one is W WDC 160-01 D:The Hammy Camel, where HDL follow DD in the
313 while DD himself is "abducted" by the camel.
I'm not sure if this qualifies for 313 being listed as HDL's vehicle, or a
vehicle that "HDL drive", but still it's an exception to the bi-/tricycles.
--
Thomas Pryds Lauritsen
Dato: 11/08/03 22:40
> I think there are a few Barks stories in which the nephews drive
> Donald's car. I can think of only one example, the story about the
> howlingest cat in the whole neighborhood. (WDC 76)
Another one is W WDC 160-01 D:The Hammy Camel, where HDL follow DD in the
313 while DD himself is "abducted" by the camel.
I'm not sure if this qualifies for 313 being listed as HDL's vehicle, or a
vehicle that "HDL drive", but still it's an exception to the bi-/tricycles.
--
Thomas Pryds Lauritsen
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Sceptic views
Message 230 -
2003-08-12 at 04:28:09
SIGVALD GROSFJELD to MATEUSZ LIS, 12-08-2003:
> What confuses me a bit about many of the comments in this thread
> though, is the skeptic views about publisher's use of information
> given by Don Rosa. While other information given by artists other
> than Don Rosa and Carl Barks (ref. G.Blum and Ms Guackfaster)
> doesn't seem to be meet with the same sceptic views here.
My guess is that Rosa's information gets more sceptic views on DCML
because of the terror that comes from you, after someone dares to say
something that apparently differs from Rosa's view.
If you want to make a person look ridiculous, then an exaggerated way
of praising and worship is a fast and effective method to get to that
point.
So, if you don't change your style of contributing, this would mean
that the DCML scepticism towards Rosa will only grow. You'll find out
if you keep on going this way, Sigvald. (Are you really that curious?)
Just my opinion on your brand-new thread.
--- Dani?l
> What confuses me a bit about many of the comments in this thread
> though, is the skeptic views about publisher's use of information
> given by Don Rosa. While other information given by artists other
> than Don Rosa and Carl Barks (ref. G.Blum and Ms Guackfaster)
> doesn't seem to be meet with the same sceptic views here.
My guess is that Rosa's information gets more sceptic views on DCML
because of the terror that comes from you, after someone dares to say
something that apparently differs from Rosa's view.
If you want to make a person look ridiculous, then an exaggerated way
of praising and worship is a fast and effective method to get to that
point.
So, if you don't change your style of contributing, this would mean
that the DCML scepticism towards Rosa will only grow. You'll find out
if you keep on going this way, Sigvald. (Are you really that curious?)
Just my opinion on your brand-new thread.
--- Dani?l
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Blum and Barks
Message 231 -
2003-08-12 at 04:47:46
Daniel van Eijmeren <dve at kabelfoon.nl> wrote:
> Barks made modern stories himself, and Blum
> followed that tradition. That's not an opinion.
> That's a fact.
Barks din *not* set his stories in 2003. That's a fact too.
The same way it would IMO be wrong to set a Poirot or a Ms Marple story to
2003.
Sigvald
> Barks made modern stories himself, and Blum
> followed that tradition. That's not an opinion.
> That's a fact.
Barks din *not* set his stories in 2003. That's a fact too.
The same way it would IMO be wrong to set a Poirot or a Ms Marple story to
2003.
Sigvald
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Blum and Barks
Message 232 -
2003-08-12 at 04:52:40
SIGVALD GROSFJELD to me, 12-08-2003:
>> Barks made modern stories himself, and Blum followed that
>> tradition. That's not an opinion. That's a fact.
> Barks din *not* set his stories in 2003. That's a fact too.
Barks has died in 2000. I don't appreciate this morbid comment
from you. And you missed my point, anyway.
--- Dani?l
>> Barks made modern stories himself, and Blum followed that
>> tradition. That's not an opinion. That's a fact.
> Barks din *not* set his stories in 2003. That's a fact too.
Barks has died in 2000. I don't appreciate this morbid comment
from you. And you missed my point, anyway.
--- Dani?l
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Barks as a source for dates in the Duck-universe
Message 233 -
2003-08-12 at 05:19:21
Daniel van Eijmeren <dve at kabelfoon.nl> wrote:
>> Once [Barks] stated that the Money Bin on
>> Kill Motor Hill was raised in 1880 also
>> (70 years in 1950 or so).
>
> Can you mention which Barks story you mean?
> Just curious.
U$15C "Moving Money". The info given there indicated that the Money Bin was
raised in 1886, not 1880. But that dosen't change my argument. $crooge
didn't raise his bin only 6 years old. That contradicts every logic.
>> We both know that Barks din't mean that
>> $crooge raised his Bin the same year as he
>> was born.
>
> When did Barks tell that? Can you mention a
> source?
He didn't say that. In the comments to Lo$ chapter X, Don Rosa says though,
that the Bin couldn't possibly have been raised in 1886.
> Maybe Scrooge was a very fast growing duckling,
> once he came out of his egg. Without clear
> facts, everything is possible. Therefore we
> cannot know.
Based on that statement one could say that maybe you was a fast developed
child that entered university at the age of 6, because without clear facts,
everything is possible. Therefore we cannot know.
Well I'd say that such a statement lacks a very important factor: pure
logic. IMO consitency and logic is the ingredints that makes Lo$ as great as
it is.
And BTW - many people in DCML do believe that the Ducks in Duckburg are born
like mammals, not hatched as birds. It's therefore adviceable not to present
the hatching theory as a non-disputable fact.
Sigvald
>> Once [Barks] stated that the Money Bin on
>> Kill Motor Hill was raised in 1880 also
>> (70 years in 1950 or so).
>
> Can you mention which Barks story you mean?
> Just curious.
U$15C "Moving Money". The info given there indicated that the Money Bin was
raised in 1886, not 1880. But that dosen't change my argument. $crooge
didn't raise his bin only 6 years old. That contradicts every logic.
>> We both know that Barks din't mean that
>> $crooge raised his Bin the same year as he
>> was born.
>
> When did Barks tell that? Can you mention a
> source?
He didn't say that. In the comments to Lo$ chapter X, Don Rosa says though,
that the Bin couldn't possibly have been raised in 1886.
> Maybe Scrooge was a very fast growing duckling,
> once he came out of his egg. Without clear
> facts, everything is possible. Therefore we
> cannot know.
Based on that statement one could say that maybe you was a fast developed
child that entered university at the age of 6, because without clear facts,
everything is possible. Therefore we cannot know.
Well I'd say that such a statement lacks a very important factor: pure
logic. IMO consitency and logic is the ingredints that makes Lo$ as great as
it is.
And BTW - many people in DCML do believe that the Ducks in Duckburg are born
like mammals, not hatched as birds. It's therefore adviceable not to present
the hatching theory as a non-disputable fact.
Sigvald
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Barks as a source for dates in the Duck-universe
Message 234 -
2003-08-12 at 05:32:15
SIGVALD GROSFJELD to me, 12-08-2003:
> U$15C "Moving Money". The info given there indicated that the
> Money Bin was raised in 1886, not 1880. But that dosen't change
> my argument. $crooge didn't raise his bin only 6 years old. That
> contradicts every logic.
Still, it might be true.
>>> We both know that Barks din't mean that $crooge raised his Bin
>>> the same year as he was born.
>> When did Barks tell that? Can you mention a source?
> He didn't say that. In the comments to Lo$ chapter X, Don Rosa says
> though, that the Bin couldn't possibly have been raised in 1886.
Rosa has *never* been a source for Barks's stories. (The only possible
exception would be Barks's 1990s script-only stories.) So, this is a
Rosa-fact. No Barks-fact.
>> Maybe Scrooge was a very fast growing duckling, once he came out
>> of his egg. Without clear facts, everything is possible. Therefore
>> we cannot know.
> Based on that statement one could say that maybe you was a fast
> developed child that entered university at the age of 6, because
> without clear facts, everything is possible. Therefore we cannot
> know.
There are kids of 6 years old who can play piano in a virtuous way.
Some of them even compose music. So, maybe Scrooge was a wonder-child.
And wonder-childs definitely do exist.
> IMO consitency and logic is the ingredints that makes Lo$ as great
> as it is.
That's a different subject. The Life of Scrooge is created by Rosa,
not by Barks. Let's finish a subject first, before starting a new one.
You were talking about Barks, not about Rosa.
--- Dani?l
> U$15C "Moving Money". The info given there indicated that the
> Money Bin was raised in 1886, not 1880. But that dosen't change
> my argument. $crooge didn't raise his bin only 6 years old. That
> contradicts every logic.
Still, it might be true.
>>> We both know that Barks din't mean that $crooge raised his Bin
>>> the same year as he was born.
>> When did Barks tell that? Can you mention a source?
> He didn't say that. In the comments to Lo$ chapter X, Don Rosa says
> though, that the Bin couldn't possibly have been raised in 1886.
Rosa has *never* been a source for Barks's stories. (The only possible
exception would be Barks's 1990s script-only stories.) So, this is a
Rosa-fact. No Barks-fact.
>> Maybe Scrooge was a very fast growing duckling, once he came out
>> of his egg. Without clear facts, everything is possible. Therefore
>> we cannot know.
> Based on that statement one could say that maybe you was a fast
> developed child that entered university at the age of 6, because
> without clear facts, everything is possible. Therefore we cannot
> know.
There are kids of 6 years old who can play piano in a virtuous way.
Some of them even compose music. So, maybe Scrooge was a wonder-child.
And wonder-childs definitely do exist.
> IMO consitency and logic is the ingredints that makes Lo$ as great
> as it is.
That's a different subject. The Life of Scrooge is created by Rosa,
not by Barks. Let's finish a subject first, before starting a new one.
You were talking about Barks, not about Rosa.
--- Dani?l
Daniel Van Eijmeren
P.S. (Vehicles of Scrooge and the nephews)
Message 235 -
2003-08-12 at 07:14:03
I just thought of "Chugwagon Derby" (US 34), another Barks story
in which Scrooge drives and old car by himself.
--- Dani?l
in which Scrooge drives and old car by himself.
--- Dani?l
Anthvvuono
Beagle women?
Message 236 -
2003-08-12 at 08:46:38
Will we ever see any of the Beagle women revealed in a Rosa story for
example? Or like Maris Crane from Frasier on television, will they always remain
hidden? I've always wanted to see the wife of Blackheart Beagle and if she was
just as conniving and desirous of McDuck's money as Blackheart was (is)? How
about a story with her and the sons' wives finally revealed? Could be interesting
to see!
example? Or like Maris Crane from Frasier on television, will they always remain
hidden? I've always wanted to see the wife of Blackheart Beagle and if she was
just as conniving and desirous of McDuck's money as Blackheart was (is)? How
about a story with her and the sons' wives finally revealed? Could be interesting
to see!
Kriton Kyrimis
Wicca and religions
Message 237 -
2003-08-12 at 09:05:47
SIGVALD:
> First I said the exactly same about my ancestors pre-christian beliefs.
So it is OK to insult others, as long as you insult your own people first?
> Actually what you here states is one of the major difference between most of
> the "World Religions" and for instance the old Greek, Roman or Germanic
> pre-Christian beliefs: lack of tolerance towards other beliefs.
Actually, what I stated is one of the predictable outcomes of dividing
religions into "true" and "false", and has happened far too often in the past
for one to make such divisions so lightly.
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"What this graph predicts is the end of the universe. See where the
flat section starts? No change. No history. End of everything. Bad for
business, I might add."
-----
> First I said the exactly same about my ancestors pre-christian beliefs.
So it is OK to insult others, as long as you insult your own people first?
> Actually what you here states is one of the major difference between most of
> the "World Religions" and for instance the old Greek, Roman or Germanic
> pre-Christian beliefs: lack of tolerance towards other beliefs.
Actually, what I stated is one of the predictable outcomes of dividing
religions into "true" and "false", and has happened far too often in the past
for one to make such divisions so lightly.
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"What this graph predicts is the end of the universe. See where the
flat section starts? No change. No history. End of everything. Bad for
business, I might add."
-----
Timo Ronkainen
About popularity of creators
Message 238 -
2003-08-12 at 11:15:17
>>But is Barks really more popular than Rosa now?
How you measure popularity? By readership? So, Barks' and Rosa's collected
works have been sold tens of thousands of copies, most likely hundreds of
thousands. Average Disney-comics weekly have almost one million readers in
Finland alone. Every other issue has Vicar drawn Donald story in it. So
Vicar must be most popular by shere numbers (one million every other week).
But he has not as much dedicated fans as Barks or Rosa. Most of the readers
of the weekly doesn't even care much who've done this or that story, it's
just fun to read and then throw it away.
Then, by numbers of fans Barks and Rosa have, they are much more popular.
For excample I've never seen as much people gathered together to just to see
a comics artist than when Barks visited in Finland. And when he drove by in
a limousine with the Mayor of Helsinki through the city to the Town Hall,
both sides of the avenue was filled with cheering people. It was like some
royal had visit in town. And the autograph line went straight down three
stories from the hall of the hotel where Barks was signing, and out of the
hotel door to the street.
Rosa have had almost as much people standing in line to get his autograph.
Vicar's visit in Finland was much more quieter.
Timo
^^''*''^^
Cartoonist - writer - donaldist -
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YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- -
20540 Turku ------------------- -
Finland ----------------------- -
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timoro at sunpoint.net
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How you measure popularity? By readership? So, Barks' and Rosa's collected
works have been sold tens of thousands of copies, most likely hundreds of
thousands. Average Disney-comics weekly have almost one million readers in
Finland alone. Every other issue has Vicar drawn Donald story in it. So
Vicar must be most popular by shere numbers (one million every other week).
But he has not as much dedicated fans as Barks or Rosa. Most of the readers
of the weekly doesn't even care much who've done this or that story, it's
just fun to read and then throw it away.
Then, by numbers of fans Barks and Rosa have, they are much more popular.
For excample I've never seen as much people gathered together to just to see
a comics artist than when Barks visited in Finland. And when he drove by in
a limousine with the Mayor of Helsinki through the city to the Town Hall,
both sides of the avenue was filled with cheering people. It was like some
royal had visit in town. And the autograph line went straight down three
stories from the hall of the hotel where Barks was signing, and out of the
hotel door to the street.
Rosa have had almost as much people standing in line to get his autograph.
Vicar's visit in Finland was much more quieter.
Timo
^^''*''^^
Cartoonist - writer - donaldist -
Timo Ronkainen ---------------- -
YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- -
20540 Turku ------------------- -
Finland ----------------------- -
timoro at hotmail.com
timoro at sunpoint.net
?? Personal:
http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/
?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus:
http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/
?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali:
http://www.kvaak.fi
.................................
"Rumble on, buxom bumble bee!
Go sit on cowslip - far from me!"
_________________________________________________________________
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Gerd Syllwasschy
Who actually created HDL?
Message 239 -
2003-08-12 at 11:29:06
Rich:
> I know that Huey, Dewey & Louie were in simultaneous production in both animation
> and comic strip. Sure the strip was published before the cartoon was ever shown
> in the theaters, but who actually came up with the concept of Huey, Dewey &
> Louie? Was the comic strip concept by Ted Osborne/Al Taliaferro created first or
> was the cartoon story by Jack King created first? Which was based on which, not
> which was actually publically presented first? This would, of course, include the
> creation of their mother.
According to what I have gathered from various sources, it was indeed Al
Taliaferro who first came up with the idea of giving Donald three
nephews (possibly inspired by the Three Little Wolves story which
Taliaferro drew for the Silly Symphony strip). I do not know if
Taliaferro and/or Osborne had already worked out this idea to a more
complex story concept. However, it seems that the character design was
done entirely at the animation department; also, the names Huey, Dewey
and Louie were not Taliaferro's idea.
So there's indeed some mix-up here, but I tend to give the cartoon first
credit. I'd be interested in any new information on this matter, too.
Gerd
> I know that Huey, Dewey & Louie were in simultaneous production in both animation
> and comic strip. Sure the strip was published before the cartoon was ever shown
> in the theaters, but who actually came up with the concept of Huey, Dewey &
> Louie? Was the comic strip concept by Ted Osborne/Al Taliaferro created first or
> was the cartoon story by Jack King created first? Which was based on which, not
> which was actually publically presented first? This would, of course, include the
> creation of their mother.
According to what I have gathered from various sources, it was indeed Al
Taliaferro who first came up with the idea of giving Donald three
nephews (possibly inspired by the Three Little Wolves story which
Taliaferro drew for the Silly Symphony strip). I do not know if
Taliaferro and/or Osborne had already worked out this idea to a more
complex story concept. However, it seems that the character design was
done entirely at the animation department; also, the names Huey, Dewey
and Louie were not Taliaferro's idea.
So there's indeed some mix-up here, but I tend to give the cartoon first
credit. I'd be interested in any new information on this matter, too.
Gerd
Gunnarsson, Joakim SE - HMJ
Modern times [was: Blum and Barks]
Message 240 -
2003-08-12 at 11:40:07
Sigvald wrote:
> Barks din *not* set his stories in 2003. That's a fact too.
>
Sorry, but you missed the point.
Back in 1950, naturally, 1950 was modern times.
So, yes, Barks set his stories, every now and then, in what was
*then* modern times.
Just look at the last of his WDC stories for some of the most
obvious examples.
Cheers!
/Joakim.
> Barks din *not* set his stories in 2003. That's a fact too.
>
Sorry, but you missed the point.
Back in 1950, naturally, 1950 was modern times.
So, yes, Barks set his stories, every now and then, in what was
*then* modern times.
Just look at the last of his WDC stories for some of the most
obvious examples.
Cheers!
/Joakim.