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Replying to Katies question: I have one pitiful Disney Duck print....but
it's one of the same as Katie's! 'Business Long Overdue'!.....>insert
maniacal laughter<

I haven't been to ebay to buy stuff, so there. (v.v)* But I have a print
with Goldie and Scrooge, and it's all minnnne...mine! *holds print while
curled into a corner* "precioussssss".....

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On another note to the various people involved: Pleeeeeaaaase stop fighting,
and nitpicking at one another! It doesn't become you! I know you guys are
much better, and nicer that you sound sometimes.
I haven't read *every* single solitary messege, but most all of them sound
like very petty arguements. I don't care who started it.

I like Don Rosa, but I know others don't. I think of Rosa's and Barks'
stories as sort of canon, but I know others don't; and reasonably so, every
artist should be able to interpet the character as he or she chooses.
They're *stories*, they're not enough to fight about.

*sob* Can't we all instead rally our powers and use them against aliens or
Brutopians, or something?

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This final exam is from about 17 years before Carl would have had his 8th Grade exam, but it gives a whole different perspective on the term 8th Grade education.

This is the eighth-grade final exam from 1895 in Salina, KS, USA. It was taken from the original document on file at the Smokey Valley Genealogical Society and Library in Salina, KS, and reprinted by the Salina Journal.

8th Grade Final Exam: Salina, KS - 1895
Grammar (Time, one hour)
1. Give nine rules for the use of Capital Letters.
2. Name the Parts of Speech and define those that have no Modifications.
3. Define Verse, Stanza and Paragraph.
4. What are the Principal Parts of a verb? Give Principal Parts of lie, play1 and run.
5. Define Case. Illustrate each Case.
6. What is Punctuation? Give rules for principal marks of Punctuation.
7-10. Write a composition of about 150 words and show therein that you understand the practical use of the rules of grammar.

Arithmetic (Time, 1.25 hours)
1. Name and define the Fundamental Rules of Arithmetic.
2. A wagon box is 2 ft. deep, 10 feet long, and 3 ft. wide. How many bushels of wheat will it hold?
3. If a load of wheat weighs 3942 lbs., what is it worth at 50 cts/bushel, deducting 1050 lbs. for tare?
4. District No. 33 has a valuation of $35,000. What is the necessary levy to carry on a school seven months at $50 per month, and have $104 for incidentals?
5. Find cost of 6720 lbs. coal at $6.00 per ton.
6. Find the interest of $512.60 for 8 months and 18 days at 7 percent.
7. What is the cost of 40 boards 12 inches wide and 16 ft. long at $20 per metre?
8. Find bank discount on $300 for 90 days (no grace) at 10 percent.
9. What is the cost of a square farm at $15 per acre, the distance around which is 640 rods?
10. Write a Bank Check, a Promissory Note, and a Receipt.

U.S. History (Time, 45 minutes)
1. Give the epochs into which U.S. History is divided.
2. Give an account of the discovery of America by Columbus.
3. Relate the causes and results of the Revolutionary War.
4. Show the territorial growth of the United States.
5. Tell what you can of the history of Kansas.
6. Describe three of the most prominent battles of the Rebellion.
7. Who were the following: Morse, Whitney, Fulton, Bell, Lincoln, Penn, and Howe?
8. Name events connected with the following dates: 1607, 1620, 1800, 1849, 1865.

Orthography (Time, one hour)
1. What is meant by the following: Alphabet, phonetic, orthography, etymology, syllabication?
2. What are elementary sounds? How classified?
3. What are the following, and give examples of each: Trigraph, subvocals, diphthong, cognate letters, linguals?
4. Give four substitutes for caret 'u.'
5. Give two rules for spelling words with final 'e.' Name two exceptions under each rule.
6. Give two uses of silent letters in spelling. Illustrate each.
7. Define the following prefixes and use in connection with a word: bi, dis, mis, pre, semi, post, non, inter, mono, sup.2
8. Mark diacritically and divide into syllables the following, and name the sign that indicates the sound: card, ball, mercy, sir, odd, cell, rise, blood, fare, last.
9. Use the following correctly in sentences: cite, site, sight, fane, fain, feign, vane, vain, vein, raze, raise, rays.
10. Write 10 words frequently mispronounced and indicate pronunciation by use of diacritical marks and by syllabication.

Geography (Time, one hour)
1. What is climate? Upon what does climate depend?
2. How do you account for the extremes of climate in Kansas?
3. Of what use are rivers? Of what use is the ocean?
4. Describe the mountains of North America.
5. Name and describe the following: Monrovia, Odessa, Denver, Manitoba, Hecla, Yukon, St. Helena, Juan Fernandez, Aspinwall and Orinoco.
6. Name and locate the principal trade centers of the U.S.
7. Name all the republics of Europe and give the capital of each.
8. Why is the Atlantic Coast colder than the Pacific in the same latitude?
9. Describe the process by which the water of the ocean returns to the sources of rivers.
10. Describe the movements of the earth. Give the inclination of the earth.

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CORD WILJES to ETA BETA, 19-08-2003:

> recent topic on dcml-talk: How inportant is it for a work of art
> to remain inside the cultural kanon? In other words: If nobody
> can buy it, it will soon be forgotten.
> More here: http://www.dcml-talk.org/read.php?f=1&i=164&t=160

This is an on-topic DCML subject. At least it looks that way in the
message you posted at http://www.dcml-talk.org on 08-18-03 15:29.

<QUOTE>
Why do so many other great movies (and comics and books) have lost
their fanbase over time? And to take it a step further: How can we
find out if something is currently in the process of losing its
fanbase?

Could it be, for example, that Carl Barks is currently losing his
fanbase? Sales figures of Disney comics are dwindling (at least in
Germany). So what will happen in the next 30 years? Will there still
be enough people interested in Barks' Duck stories so keeping them
in print is commercially successful?
</QUOTE>

Source: http://www.dcml-talk.org/read.php?f=1&i=164&t=160

BTW. I love those little smileys you're using there. They're very
funny and well-drawn!

--- Dani?l

ARI SEPPI to FRANCESCO SPREAFICO, 20-08-2003:

> [Van Horn's] recent Finnish publication in this week's Aku Ankka was
> pretty interesting story about Donald's new neighbours (D 2003-011)
> even though it was in tough company (Be Leery Of Lake Eerie by
> Barks/Jippes, D D 2002-023).

Jippes has inked two endings. Which version did they use?
The sweet ending, the cynical ending, or both?

Barks was asked to brighten up the ending of the story,
so that's why there are two versions.

I like Barks's Junior Woodchuck stories very much. I think they're
underestimated because of being relatively unknown retirement work.

--- Dani?l

Hi Timo!

Just one small correction, the Vikings reached Greenland and New
Foundland, but they didn't go so far as Alaska. In fact the Northwest
Passage (between Greenland and Alaska) wasn't "conquered" before in 1903 -
1906, when the Norwegian polar explorer Roald Amundsen (yup, the same guy
that reached the South Pole in 1911!) sailed through it.

And to you Sigvald Groesfjeld jr.;

I checked my copy of the "Luck of the North" and it is clearly - as others
have all ready pointed out - the action is taking place in Alaska and the
Arctic Ocean. Nothing indicates that the American publishers should have
changed the setting to Greenland. A setting north for Alaska would
certainly be more familiar to American readers then Greenland.

You will find Eskimos, living in their traditional way, on the coast of
Greenland, as well as in the northern parts of Canada AND Alaska.

The fact that the Danish Disney publisher Guthenburghus (now Egmont)
changed this setting to Greenland should be quite obvious since Greenland
is a more familiar place for European readers (and also to the fact that
Greenland is a Danish territory!).

BWT:
One of Carl Barks inspirations to the story "Luck of the North" could have
been the famous American silent documentary film "Nanook of the North" (!)
from 1922, re-released with sound in 1947, a film about the Eskimo Nanook
and his family living in the northern parts of Canada.

Best,
Are Myklebust

Nils from Norway recently sent some very insightful comments on the
topic of continuity in Barks' duck stories.

Here are excerpts taken from Donald Ault's compilation "Carl Barks
Conversations" which contains lots of highly interesting interviews with
the grand master. So here is what Barks thought about continuity.

The interview was taken in 1973 by Donald Ault (typos by me, sorry):

p. 45/46:

CB: I just built each story as a little story and wound it up with a
comical ending without worrying about whether it made any sense. [If
Uncle Scrooge loast all his money in one episode,] the next time I
wanted to use him and his money I just went ahead and used them. I
didn't think it was necessary to worry as to whether he got it back from
this previous episode or not. The episodes were not even connected; they
were different comic books. Each one sold for a dime.

p. 48/49:

DA: When you first introduced your characters - Scrooge, Gladstone, Gyro
Gearloose, the Beagle Boys - you treated them as if they'd been around.
It really fascinated me. Do you have any thoughts why you did that,
because it seerns like a pattern?

CB: I guess I did it so as to save myself a heck of a lot of
introducing. I would introduce them in such a way that you knew what
they were and then let the story develop their character. As you read
more of the story you began to understand more about the guy. Instead of
trying to do it all in one series of pages, why it was just sort of fed
to you a little time, like vitamin pills.

DA: The sense of reality of the stories - I got the feeling that the
events going on between or outside the stories, and every once in a
while you get a glimpse into this world. And yet you rarely made a
reference between stories. The ducks would never say, "Remember when i
to get the Golden Helmet." But when you were introducing new characters,
quite often there would be this indication that things had be on that
the reader hadn't known about. You never thought about that?

CB: I think that what has happened now is that over the years all
stories have been read and the relation of one story to another has come
apparent to all of you readers, and you can see the connection to the
characters and the build-up of the characters and all. Now when I was
working, I was working from the other end of the line. All of these
charkters were all strangers to me, and each story had to stand by
itself; and when I was developing these characters, I rernember having
thoughts like "Should I mention something about a previous story that
had taken place?" And always I discarded that idea because I felt
there's no worse in picking up a comic book on the stand and starting to
read and finding that you are reading something that is continued from
some earlier book that you don't have and have no means of getting. I
find a frustration in that. I notice that is used a lot in these Marvel
comics, but I wouldn't go in for that stuff. I felt that each story had
to be a complete story in itself, and whatever introduction of a
character that took was just an incidental part of the story. lf I used
that character again, he was just introduced in the part that he was
going to play in that story, not on the strength of what he had been in
the past. Take a character like Gyro. He was an inventor, but I didn't
go back and rehash a bunch of his earlier inventions in order to show
what a great inventor he was. I let him go ahead and show what he could
do in this story in which he was acting

DA: But when Scrooge had his own comic, you did sort of assume that knew
who he was, since he was the main character?

CB: Well, I tried to guard against it, but occasionally it did get to
where, carelessly, I just let things go as if whoever was reading it
would know who in the hell he was. That was bad.

DA: So when you were doing the Uncle Scrooge comics-am I putting words
in your mouth-you were sort of introducing him every time you wrote the
comic, as if this were the first time anyone had ever read an Uncle
Scrooge comic?

CB: I wasn't exactly that so much as to say that, well, here is a rich
guy -he's got such and such an influence over Donald or over the events
in this story. It's hard to put it into words. He was not deliberately
introduced as a new character each time, but he was treated as an
understandable character; that is, you understood that he was a guy with
certain characteristics. I felt he should be handled in such a way that
the reader need to ever have known about Unde Scrooge before, that he
could still gather enough out of this role that Scrooge was playing that
he would still get sense out of it.

DA: Scrooge wasn't ever exactly the same character in any two stories,
was he? There were certain aspects of his character that were added just
fo one particular story, and he would have those characteristics for
that story alone. For example, in the Klondike story he had a bad
memory, but he had a noticeably bad memory in only one story. In more
subtle ways, in other stories, he would have certain characteristics
that were totally developed, explored, and then dropped after that one
story.

CB: Each was a gimmick, each was the vehicle or the running gag of the
story. Like the story in which he was addicted to nutmeg tea. I'm
beginning to get some clippings out of some underground comic called
Creem that implies that he was a drug addict because he was addicted to
nutmeg and that nutmeg taken in sufficient quantities can have an effect
on your

DA: That's true, supposedly.

CB: The reason I chose nutmeg was that it was something that grew in the
tropics and gave him an excuse to go to the tropics. God, otherwise I
could have said, "codfish tails," and sent him to Iceland.

DA: But t his craving for nutmeg tea never appeared again.

CB: No, no. It was just a gimmick to make a story. (laughs)

Cord

Hi,

Here's what I have received from List Members concerning Mickey's hometown:

Czech: Kacerovo (Duckburg)
English (USA): Mouseton (formerly: Mouseville)*
Finnish: Ankkalinna (Duckburg)
French: Mickeyville (Mouseton)*
Greek: Miku Siti [Mickey City] (Mouseton)
Indonesian: formerly: Kota Tikus (MouseTon); now: Kota Bebek (Duckburg)
Italian: Topolinia (Mouseton)*
Norwegian: Andeby (Duckburg)
Polish: Myszogrod (Mouseton)*
Portuguese(Brazil): Patópolis (Duckburg)
Swedish: Ankeborg (Duckburg)

Out of eleven languages represented, only four give Mickey and his gang a seperate
hometown from Donald.

Obviously there are a lot of missing references (Dutch, Danish, etc.), so if you
would like to contribute your language's version of Mickey's hometown, please send
it to me.

QUESTION: Is it correct to place Mouseton in the state of Calisota with Duckburg?

Also, for those who missed the post last time, here is a Microsoft Excel
spreadsheet of many of the recurring Disney characters in comics:

http://users.cwnet.com/xephyr/ART/Dizbanners/Disney_Names_8-14-03.xls

If you have any additions or corrections please submit them to me and I will
update the list.

Thanks,

Rich Bellacera
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