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Recently, there was a very nice article in the Canadian Post newspaper about
the return of Disney Comics to North America. Both Steve Geppi and William Van
Horn. You can read it at:

http://www.nationalpost.com/artslife/story.html?id=BC47AB52-1C9D-48C8-B6A8-438
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Best Wishes,
John Lustig
7218 27th Ave. N.E.
Seattle, WA 98115
www.lastkisscomics.com
(206) 525-6257
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Daniel van Eijmeren wrote:

>>I'm seeing a tendency where some people attack Sigvald every time
>>he writes anything by giving his words the worst possible meaning.
>>
>>
>
>Please, Kai. When Sigvald writes something, his words often already
>*have* the worst possible meaning!
>
*chuckles* At least we often interpret it that way, since he's been
known to irritate with his strong opinions.

>I understand your email, but I object against victimizing Sigvald.
>People have had an enormous lot of patience with him. For months.
>Sigvald has got lots of chances, and he *still* gets chances. But he
>just keeps going on with forcing Don Rosa's name into discussions,
>almost as if he's being paid for it.
>
I wonder who would pay Sigvald? Probably those two ex-managers of Carl
Barks - I guess they hate Don enough. Sigvald is doing such a bad job at
promoting Don that merely introducing oneself as a Rosa-fan almost gives
you a label of fanaticism. Such fanatical approach to Rosa gives him and
all us his other fans in this list a bad name. Fanaticism to *anything*
is something I really don't understand or approve, since it often means
you're anti-something as well. My guess is that many members who respond
fiercely to Sigvald's views are starting to become a bit anti-Rosa as
well.... simply because Sigvald gets to their nerves with his messages.
This is not good at all.

>So, I don't want to hear anything like "please people, don't be so
>hard on Sigvald". That's putting the situation upside down, IMO.
>
>
That was not what I was trying to say. I don't like Sigvald forcing his
opinions any more than you do. I'm just saying that the time trying to
"set him right" might be used better. Or it would be better to do this
privately. This public arguing is giving everyone a bad name. I know
that Sigvald is usually the source of all the fighting, but the people
who frequently respond to him are getting a certain reputation as well.
Some are starting to sound anti-Rosa as well as anti-Sigvald - and that
worries me. Let's see what Katie said:

>Katie Sullivan wrote:
>
>Exactly. I absolutely adore Rosa's work, but other discussions
>are fun, too, and I'm certainly not going to protest if his name
>doesn't come up in every single digest! Besides, it's gotten to
>the point where I'm hesitant to mention his work or "universe"
>in discussions for fear of sounding like a certain other member
>who's gotten a lot of people's hackles up. I'd like to be able
>to mention Rosa in a positive way without causing the impression
>that I share some of the extreme, and at times inflammatory,
>opinions offered by another member.

Well said! Rosa's name is starting sound like curse and that's just plain wrong. Don does not deserve this. He isn't behind Sigvald's views, nor does he ever self-promote himself. I'd like to see him in the list more often, but he has to be extremely careful with everything he says. With the current atmosphere in this list its just not that much fun to follow discussions. Every time when subject line includes words like "Rosa", "Barks" or "canon" I cringe when clicking it open, afraid of what it might contain.

>From: Olaf Solstrand <olaf at andebyonline.com>
>To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Subject: Help needed for script...
>Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:45:00 +0200

>My question today: Any opera lovers here? (The music, not the browser) Can
>anyone help me digging up the lyrics of "Largo" from Gioachino Rossini's
>"The
>Barber of Seville"? Preferrably the original Italian ones?

Is http://www.karadar.com/Librettos/rossini_siviglia.html what you need?

Stefan

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I know this is stupid and that I have other, *far more*
important things to do, but I simply can't resist the
temptation to respond to Sigvald's mail.

> Maybe so, it's sometimes difficult to don't comment such > issues when one has very clear opinions on these same
> issues.

Je dirai meme plus: "It is extremely difficult not to
react when confronted with visions so strongly opposed to
one's own view." This goes for you, Sigvald, when you read
something that doesn't correspond to Rosa, as well as for
others (me, Daniel) when you declare other artists' views
and takes on characters to be "incorrect" and even
"disrespectful to the original version".

I strongly recommend you to stop trying to see different
versions as "opposed" to each other (instead of being
different additions to the *same* 'universe') because this
will lead you to declare the version you prefer (the
earlier version, mostly) to be "correct". There surely is
nothing wrong in having preferences, but please stop
declaring *your own* preferred version as being *the only
correct version*. Other people might have other
preferences.

I don't think there's an 'American universe' and an
'Italian universe' because I see Italian as well as
American as well as Brazilian and Dutch and Danish and
German and French and you-name-it stories as pertaining to
the *same 'universe'*. There are no *opposites*, see?
Just additions and different views. *No* "correct" and
"incorrect" versions. Disney Comics is *not science*.

There's no black and no white, just a whole wide-ranging
vista of colours stretching from infra-iwerks to
ultra-gulien (no preferences) and rosa just happens to be
one of your (and my) favourite colours.

Now, that's *my* view. Someone else might have *another*
view. You might like your own view better. I won't
guarantee you that my view is "correct", but my experience
is that it's a very workable view when it comes to
appreciating differences.

> At a point a person says that he would prefer that such a > task should be given to an Italian. My interpretation of > this persons statement is that it seems that this persons > personal taste is his *only* argument for that opinion.

Are your preferences based on something more than *only*
your personal taste? Maybe the quality of the plot and the
artwork of the sories I've read might have something to do
with it? Don't you think there might exist something as
'objective quality'? [These are rhetorical questions.]

You own all 273 issues of the Norwegian DD pockets-series?
That's great! You might like the following Mouse stories:

I just checked: not a single Mouse story from "Topolino
Noir" has been published in Norway. Are you familiar with
any *modern* (nineties) Italian Mouse story?

Michiel Prior.

P.S.: I realize that I must have read this rainbow-analogy
somewhere before, and most likely on this mailinglist.
Whoever first came up with it: thank you for appealing to
the unconscious part of my memory.

Sigvald,

Regarding your recent Google-rankings of various Disney artists (regardless
of statistical validity it was an interesting exercise), were you surprised at
the high hit-count of Walt Kelley? You gave list-readers the impression some
six months or so ago that you were not that familiar with Kelley, so I was
wondering what your feelings were at his count.

Here's my take: When the second ranking was presented, I was pleased at the
high hit-count. I grew up reading Pogo, and loved Kelley's humor and drawing
skills. However, unless one is familiar with American politics of the 1950s and
1960s, many of the story lines lack complete relevance to today's reader.

Steve in Austin

Sigvald Gr?sfjeld:
> why is Don Rosa not in your list?
Olaf Solstrand:
> "because Don Rosa is not one of Kjell's favourite artists".
Dani?l van Eijmeren:
> Is there a TRAITOR among us? Don't let him escape! :-)

;-), well,
Don Rosa didn't make comics when I was a kid and
I haven't really read any stories by him and
other "modern" (post 1970) artists.
But I have "read" (and like) Rosa's Family Tree poster.

Many modern creators are brilliant,
but I prefer the Dell era of Disney comics.
That's why Tony Strobl is on my list, but not Rosa or Jippes.
I also like some less popular artists from the Dell era:
Bradbury, Moores, de Lara, McSavage,...

This is a bit like book reading.
When you have started to like an author,
you continue reading his/her books and
ignore other authors.

Perhaps you DCML members could suggest
some suitable "starter stories"
by your own favorite Disney artists.

Kjell

BTW Sigvald, Alex Toth is another popular artist,
but mainly for his non-Disney comics, I guess.
He made quite many Zorro stories.

Quoting "M.J. Prior" <M.J.Prior at student.rug.nl>:

> I just checked: not a single Mouse story from "Topolino
> Noir" has been published in Norway. Are you familiar with
> any *modern* (nineties) Italian Mouse story?
>

What? NOW I'm baffled and confused. Not that I'm familiar with the
title "Topolino Noir", but if it's so popular I would have guessed it would be
out in Norway... And, are you saying that NO NINETIES' ITALIAN MICKEY STORIES
have been printed in Norway?

Hmm... Did you use INDUCKS? If so, please note that most of the
Norwegian "Pocketbok"s are not indexed... so they won't be listed. However, if
they're published in Sweden or Denmark, they most likely are here as well. Are
they?

If not, I'm shocked. Yes, I think old Italian Mickey stories are good, but that
doesn't mean I don't want new ones... So what is going on?

Not to be rude, Michiel, but... PLEASE tell me you're wrong here. If more than
a decade of good stories is hidden from us up here, I can't really seem to
figure out why. So... Could it be that you have read wrong (or that INDUCKS let
you down), or is the Norwegian cimic situation really that bad?

Olaf