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Olaf:
>That's my two cents for today. At least for now.

It appears that the story was delayed exactly two years for the German
publication, which is why I read it so recently in Micky Maus #27/2003. I
buy these here during the summer. We really don't have very many Disney
publications for variety. :-(
Thank you very much for exposing my ineptitude for using INDUCKS and
remembering Tintin stories apart. And thanks for the explanation from Lars.
I'll suppose the story editor has already been slapped with a haddock for
this.

--Ole

Lars Jensen's homage to Tintin as well as the dogs in the Taliaferro Sunday
page that was talked about here recently (all of them could be identified
btw) make me curious if there are other homages to non-Disney comic heroes
in Disney comics. I suppose there aren't many? The only other instance I'm
aware of is in Don Rosa's 'The Crocodile Collector', where you can see
Barney Bear, Benny Burro and Andy Panda in Scrooge's private zoo.

If anybody knows some more, please tell me.

Cheers,
Frank

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Hi!

Eta:
>>>Besides, the quality's not worth the price, even if appreciation
>>>of said printing quality varies wildly among my acquaintances
>>>who own it, from "alright, perfectly acceptable" to plain
>>>"unspeakable".

Some are darker, but here's nothing I'd qualify as "unspeakable".
I got mine from Laqua in '99; I don't remember the price exactly (what with
the shipping & now the euro), but it was expensive indeed; however, given
Disney's publishing policy I figured this was the closest I might come to a
Gottfredson dailies anthology. I certainly don't regret buying it, and would
gladly buy a nice (compelte) Gottfredson Library from Gemstone.

Joakim:

>>> If you are speaking of the German release I believe that it was
>>> issued with a licence.

From what I gathered, they did have a licence / agreement at the beginning,
but the Disney Company backed out at some point, and the publisher kept
publishing it nonetheless, for those who had already ordered (plus extra
sets), limiting the run to 300 instead of 500.

Now that we have uncut cartoon shorts on DVD (thanks to Roy Disney I
believe), someone needs to strongly suggests them & convince them (through
Roy, then) to do the same with Gottfredson. Not "just" a few reprints in the
comics, but a complete, annotated Library (with Leonard Maltin-like
introductions: "there are stereotypes, but nothing downright racist; it's
part of our history").
Releasing the strips might also clarify this point: namely, that they were
not banned (in recent years) because they supposedly convey a racist message
and show a dark evil side of the Disney Company, but because the Company
was afraid people might be vexed. I don't see the harm of showing Mickey
fighting the Nazis, either, and some might think they're hiding these strips
because they contain pro-Nazi material.
It's a good thing they don't own the rights to such works as "Gone With the
Wind" (a novel/movie about Southerners who have slaves? burn it! burn it!).

Cord:

>>>So if there is some definite information on the copyright status they
could be copied or even shared for free on
>>>the internet.
>>>On the other hand *I* won't be the one to risk the wrath of Disney's
lawyers...

Why do you think the webmaster(s?) who posted some 1930 strips early this
year didn't leave them on the site?
;)

Alecto:
>>> Are there story codes for these old strips?, I've just obtained a very
early
>>> Australian MM comic that I'd like to index but I can't find the codes.
It's a 48
>>> page comic with 4 panels per page, I'm not sure how many stories are in
it
>>> (might be just one), the comic starts off with MM building a Mini golf
course,
>>> later in the book another mouse called "Mr Slicker" takes up with Minnie
so
>>> Mickey starts trying various methods of killing himself.

I'm not aware of any code; I don't remember seeing any, just the copyright
& date.
"Mickey Mouse in Color" indexes it as:
"Mr Slicker and the Egg Robbers" (Sept 22 - Dec 26, 1930)
Written & penciled by Floyd Gottfredson,
inked by Floyd Gottfredson & Hardie Kramatky (Sept 22 - Nov 15) and Earl
Duvall.

I've copied the list on my site:
http://ob7.free.fr/mice_and_ducks/
(click on Mickey, then choose List).
I hope I have corrected the typos-- a few mix-ups in the dates (inverting
month & day; you spot them easily); all my biggest apologies if there are
any left. I need to proofread it again.

All the best,

Olivier
(about to re-format :( )

I was wondering if any list members in North America have seen
Donald Duck Adventures #1 in a regular bookstore (non comic book
store) or a retailer such as Wal-Mart?

I was in a Borders bookstore yesterday and while they had many
TPB's and some comics, DDA#1 was not there. The day before that I was
in a Wal-Mart and they had Archie digest comics but that was it.

In some of the interviews Steve Geppi gave, he said how important
it was to get some of Gemstone's comics in bookstores and retail
stores such as Wal-Mart. I was wondering if Gary could give us some
info about this? Have plans changed in this regard? Or is it a
process just taking longer than originally thought? Thanks in
advance!

Dean Rekich

Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr.:

> And, Harry it would have been nice if you had commented my
> question about when we will see this story in Scandinavia.

Okay, here's my comment: I don't know.

--Harry.

It has been said that the complete edition of Gottfredson's Mickey Mouse
strips is expensive. Is this really so?

You can buy it for $ 900. each of the 26 volumes (1930-1955) has around
100 pages. each page has three strips with 5 panels each. So you get
2.600 pages at a page rate of 35 cent / page.

Let us compare this to

+ a current issue of "The Amazing Spider-Man":
22 pages for $ 2.25 => page rate = 10 cent / page

+ a volume of the current (beautiful) reprint series of "Krazy Kat":
116 pages for $ 14.95 => page rate = 13 cent / page

+ a current issue of Walt Disney's Comics:
60 pages for $ 6.95 => page rate = 12 cent / page

+ the original b/w Barks Library
8,000 pages f?r $ 1.300 => page rate = 16 cent / page

But each of these comics pages (with the exception of Krazy Kat) has
only 8 panels at most. So a Gottfredson page with three strips has the
content of two comic book pages. And considering the very condensed
daily format it has probably even more story value - especially compared
to Spider-Man ;-)

So it is not THAT expensive.

I am thinking about buying all existing copies and dropping all but one
into the Atlantic Ocean. My copy will be valuable beyond measure *g*

Cord

Ryan wrote:

Do you mean

(Comment: yes, that's what David meant)

that this happened on that _House of Mouse_ show that's been on The Disney
Channel

(comment: currently on Toon Disney more frequently)

the past few years, that, after not taking to the initial shorts on ABC (I
found them to be tedious forced "homages" to the old Disney theatrical shorts

(Comment: an homage to the old shorts is a BAD thing? even if -in your
opinion- forced?),

and didn't at all go where I wanted them to go with Mickey),

(Comment: but that's where the Disney company wanted to go with him, sorry,
and they reached a new audience)

I never watched?! Or is this something else?

(Last comment: no, and IMO, you missed some good stories, like U$ in a parody
of A Midsummer's' Night Dream.)

But again, it's just an opinion.

Steve in Austin

Rich Bellacera wrote (about the complete MM reprint):

> Page rate is fine if paid for over a period of time, but
> paying for all 26 volumes in one shot is not easy for
> those of us who do not have $1000.00 laying
> around just waiting to be spent on something that does not
> include daily survival requirements (bills, mortgage,
> loans, food, gasoline, etc.).

Yes, it was a theoretical calculation, I admit that.
And I did not want to persuade anybody to buy the set.
I believe it is much too expensive. In fact I believe nearly
all current comics are much too expensive. (Just break it down
to money per reading time!) In contrast I believe that old
masterpieces like the Gottfredson MMs, like Krazy Kat, like
Prince Valiant, like Popeye should be public domain. This is the
only way to ensure their survival, especially if the old copyright
holders deny reprints. They belong to our common cultural heritage
just like the works of Homer and Dickens. And I see no justification
why any company should be allowed to keep the public from it's own
culture - just to profit from something which was created by people
long gone from the eartly plane? I believe that copyright laws were
meant exactly to ensure this: After a certain time (depending on
the date of creation) a work of art falls into the public domain
and can be shared by everyone for free. Should I pay anybody to
print an image of the Mona Lisa? Or playing music by Bach? Or
reprinting Plato? Definitely not! Even more so: Should anybody be
allowed to forbid ANY depiction of Michelangelo's "David"? Or
any printing of "The Divine Comedy"? No, of course not. In this
case a rich tycon or a big company could buy a lots and lots of
old masterpieces and deny the public any access. Or demand astronomical
sums which just the rich could afford. So my answer is this:
When will I be allowed to scan my edition of Gottfredson's complete MM
works (which I bought, even though I couldn't afford it) and share it
with everbody for free on the internet? There has to be some answer to this!

According to this table http://www.unc.edu/~unclng/public-d.htm
everything which has been published more than 67 years ago should be.
So at least the first six years of MM cartoons should be public domain
by now and it should be possible to reprint them without asking or
paying Disney any licence fee. Im no lawyer, though, so please do not
pin me down to this and I won't risk the wrath of Disney's legal
department.

> For most of us, I would assume, the ideal way to purchase
> these reprints is via the comics we buy monthly where we
> can shoehorn them into our budget (somehow) and
> hopefully, eventually, collect the entire series of reprints.

BUT you could put $ 2.99 into a box each month instead of buying the
current issue of the Amazing Spider-Man. You could then buy the
complete Gottfredson set in August 2030. By a strange coincidence you
would then have saved the money at just about the same rate the strips
originally appeared: over a span of 26 years!

Cord