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Hello, fellow Disney comic fans. I guess I'm your newest member. As you
probably know, Gemstone has started publishing the old Gladstone line
again in the USA, so we Americans have new comics again for the first
time in three and a half years. I wanted to ask Mr. David Gerstein if his
Mickey stories are going to be carried by Gemstone as they were in the
past; to my mind, David and Romano Scarpa are the only writers who ever
successfully captured the "real" Mickey besides Floyd Gottfredson. The
first Gemstone issues have not featured stories by any of these "Big
Three", and I'm kind of disappointed. They've only run a couple of short
tales that are far inferior to David's fine work.

Speaking of Mickey, are the same strict censorship rules still applying
to the Gottfredson classics like "Mickey in the Foreign Legion" and "In
Search of Jungle Treasure"? If so, could any of this list's members tell
me where to pick up some of these tales (in English). I love the Ducks
too, but I would also like to see Mickey, the Mouse who started it all,
get some of his own back in the comics world.

Dan Neyer

Hi!
I made a special page about Donald's grandpa Humperdinck Duck with all of his
appearances:
http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/Characters/grandpa.html

I also updated the similar page about Della, with new pictures :
http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/Characters/della.html

the other pages are still available in the same folder:
http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/Characters/

Gilles Maurice
http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/

I read the World Wide Witch story in Gemstone's second issue of UNCLE
SCROOGE, and was quite disturbed by Blum's plans for "updating" Duckburg.
Hopefully this is a trend that won't catch on among other creators, as it
could potentially ruin the Duck--and Mouse--universes. I'm an American
and Blum's "wicca" references were pure gibberish to me, nor do I want to
have them explained. Also, almost all of the computer talk was over my
head; I'm literate enough in computers to use them, but all the
pseudo-jargon that flys around is pretty meaningless to me--and I think
most other people are the same way. Blum seems to think that this is no
different than Barks' references to the events of his day, but it
is--Barks never built stories around current technology and fads to this
extent. Barks stories were adventures, and if they used technology it was
only as part of the adventure; Blum's new stories are apparently going to
be fitted to the technology, rather than the other way around. And fads
like this wicca nonsense aren't going to be popular for long; Blum's
stories will wind up a lot more dated than even Barks' earliest. Another
thing Blum fails to take into account is that the culture in Barks' day
was a lot cleaner than the current one; try to update the Ducks to modern
standards and you'll wind up with super-hero style slop. William Van Horn
is a perfect example of how modern writers should work--he's not above
mentioning modern technology, but the story always comes first, and his
stories are always in traditional Barksian mode. Even better is Don
Rosa's system of setting the tales in the fifties, but at any rate, both
Rosa and Van Horn deliver stories for other people's enjoyment, while
Blum seems to prefer delivering stories for his own personal
satisfaction. Barks wrote to please himself, but he also kept an eye on
his audiences and tried to entertain them, a vital ingredient to
comic-book work that Blum seems to have overlooked.

Just my two cents.

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Olaf Solstrand wrote:

> the latest "Uncle Scrooge". Let me ask a plain question to everybody
> out there: Do you think it would have been easier for me to
> understand the "wicca" part of the story if I had been an American?
> Open question.

I don't think it has something to do with being American... I'm not
American, but I know what Wicca is because I'm a "Buffy the Vampire Slayer"
fan, and there's a wiccan there (even though they rarely use this word). I
guess many people knows what Wicca is because they watch "Charmed" (Me, I've
never seen it). So it's just a matter of pop culture I think.

BTW, I liked Blum's story, and I particularly appreciated his article.

Best,
Francesco
http://www.dimensionedelta.net/scarpa/

Here's my inflated two cents.

I ALSO enjoyed the story and hope to see more by Geoffrey.

As for knowing what "wicca" is, it's all relevant to your amount of exposure to
it. I know of it only because I came across the term years ago I was interested
in studying various religions and Wiccan was one of them. However, Witches have
known of "Wicca" for as long as there have been folks who believe they
are "witches" so, as a common person, not claiming to have knowledge of witchcraft
the term will probably not be known, but, for Mr. Blum to use it is just a by-
product of some personal research or knowledge he has gained along the way. Now
that we readers have seen the word we know it has an association to witches and
witchcraft and that's really all Mr. Blum has done... i.e. Broadened our knowledge
of witches. Nothing more, nothing less. By adding that bit of information he did
not detract from what Barks created with Magica, nor has he somehow made her a
different character. As a witch she knows of "wicca" and by bringing the term
into the Disney Duck universe he only broadened our understanding of what Magica
is or believes.

Also, I'm in full agreement with those who understand that Barks wrote from his
own "modern" context and did not intend to "freeze" the characters into any
specific time period.

Thanks,

Rich Bellacera
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Daniel J. Neyer <jerryblake2 at juno.com> wrote:

> ...try to update the Ducks to modern
> standards and you'll wind up with super-hero
> style slop. William Van Horn is a perfect
> example of how modern writers should work--
> he's not above mentioning modern technology,
> but the story always comes first, and his
> stories are always in traditional Barksian
> mode. Even better is Don Rosa's system of
> setting the tales in the fifties, but at any
> rate, both Rosa and Van Horn deliver stories
> for other people's enjoyment, while Blum seems
> to prefer delivering stories for his own
> personal satisfaction. Barks wrote to please
> himself, but he also kept an eye on his
> audiences and tried to entertain them, a vital
> ingredient to comic-book work that Blum seems
> to have overlooked.

I agree 100% with you Daniel. And I think that both you and Rodney have come
up with very serious and clever views about G. Blum and his use of Barks' to
promote himself. Keep up the good debate!

Sigvald

>From: "L. J?mal Walton" <ljamal at longbox.com>
>To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
>Subject: Inventive Gentlemen? Four Color #1150
>Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:32:01 -0400

>Having recently purchase a copy of Dell Four Color #1150, I looked for it
>at
>http://www.barksbase.de/. It shows that the data comes from INDUCKS, but it
>lists a 10th story titled "The Inventive Gentleman."
>
>This story is not in my copy of #1150 and the 9th story "Undercover Girl"
>is
>printed on the back inside cover and with an ad on the back cover that
>leave
>no room for a 10th story. I do not believe that I am missing any pages as
>all the other stories are complete. Is there another version of this book
>which includes this 10th story?

According to Inducks:

>>W OS 1150 Daisy Duck's Diary
>>
>>
>>[issdate:1960-12] [inx:KCr,AB,MO] [alternate version without -10]

-10 is that 10th story that you mentioned. It seems that you've got the
version without -10.

Stefan

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>From: "Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr." <sigvald at duckburg.dk>
>Reply-To: "Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr." <sigvald at duckburg.dk>
>To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Subject: A changed story code for a Rosa-publication
>Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 0:54:25 +0100

>A few minutes ago our Swedish friend Stefan Persson kindly mailed me a
>INDUCKS indeks over Don Rosa's production. Shecking this briefly I
>discovered that the code for "Back in Time for a Dime" has been changed
>from
>
>KDTM90i to DTM 1990-2

Actually, K DTM 90i is, and has always been, the code for the story, while
DTM 1990-2 is a code referring to the issue it was published in.

>Once the codes for DRs Family Tree was also changed.

Actually, those have changed at least twice.

>Can Harry Fluks or someone else responsible for this please explain why
>this has been done, and if there has been other changes to?

Regarding Family Trees:

When the tree was first added to Inducks, we used two very similar codes for
it, both starting with an 'R'. One of the codes was for the variant with
Gyro, Daisy & AMJ while the other one was for the variant without those
people.

Covers and illustrations which don't have any official code, or for which
that code is unknown, usually get a code based on one of its first
publications. For example, the cover of Anders And & Co. 1/1949 is listed
as DC AA1949-01 (where 'D' = Denmark & 'C' = cover or illustration). We
thought that it was a bad idea to use these R-codes, and decided to change
all of them (not only the trees, but also a few other items) into codes
similar to DC AA1949-01. The result was an XSC-code for one of the variants
and an XNC-code for the other one, 'XS' meaning Sweden and 'XN' meaning
Norway.

It was later discovered that both variants of the tree had the official code
D 11221, so it was changed again. This is the code we currently use for
both variants. The variant without Gyro, Daisy et al is marked with a
[changes:version without Gyro etc.], or something similar to that.

Regarding other changes:

There are often code changes in Inducks, mainly because new information
about some story has been discovered somewhere. Sometimes we notice that
the same story has got two different codes in Inducks, and then one of them
has to be removed.

Stefan

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