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Friedolin wrote:
the discussion about Gottfredson's Mickey Mouse strips is obsolete.
There still *IS* a complete reprint of all Mickey Mouse daily strips
1930-1955 published, produced 20 years ago, in a small edition of 300.
Unabridged, starting January 13, 1930, with the very first daily strip
story "Mickey Mouse lost on a Desert".
Yes, but this edition was printed without a licence, I believe. And it
is far out of the price range of most comics fans.

And it will definitely not be enough to keep Gottfredson and his great
Micky Mouse strips from being forgotten by the general public.

Cord

I said (about the complete edition of Gottfredson's MM strips):> Yes,
but this edition was printed without a licence, I > believe. And it is
far out of the price range of most > comics fans.

Rich Bellacera replied: I would definitely agree. Yes, it is indeed out
of the reach of most collectors. I found a page offering the set for
almost $1000.00 (US). I couldn't even hope to afford such a dream.
There's no such thing as a $1000 of discretionary funds in my meager
budget. :-( http://www.dreidreizehn.de/create_d/index.htm?c367.html
The printing quality of these volumes is only slightly better than good
xeroxes. So if there is some definite information on the copyright
status they could be copied or even shared for free on the internet.

On the other hand *I* won't be the one to risk the wrath of Disney's
lawyers...

Cord

Sigvald and others are into a discussion on Luck of the North, Alaska and
Greenland. Translations are always interesting stuff! Now, I would never
say that my poster "Around the globe with Donald" should be a proof either
way in this matter. In Norway the story was called "Donald Duck in
Greenland" when it first came here in 1952. So in the Norwegian
version, the story is indeed taking place in Greenland, and I used that in
the poster mentioned earlier. Now, if the Norwegian translator in 1952 had
called the story "Donald Duck in Alaska" I would have moved the sticker
illustrating the story to Alaska in my map of course.

And - when the story was to be printed again in Norway a couple of years
ago, the editors decided they had to change the primitive language the
Eskimos spoke. You could argue that the first translation should never be
changed of course, but the decision was made. So I suggested we should let
the Eskimos speak Danish, showing the readers that the ducks were far away
from home. It would BTW be interesting to hear what you think of this way
of solving the problem, other suggestions are welcome! But again - in my
opinion this only proves that the Norwegian version of the story takes part
in Greenland.

Erik Horthe

Quoting Ole R Nielsen <oleroc at tdcspace.dk>:

> I'm looking for a story I thought I remembered from a recent Egmont weekly,
> but can't seem to find - not with COA either.
> If I remember it correctly, it was written by Lars Jensen and drawn by
> Vicar
> and starts off with a scene lifted straight out of the Tintin story "The
> Seven Crystal Balls": Donald and Scrooge discusses the improbability of a
> movie (or is it a comic book?) where the characters talk about a person
> they
> haven't seen for 20 years or so, and of course they bump into him at the
> next corner. I noticed how even the "camera angles" match the original and
> would like to know both where to find this story again and what the story
> behind this cadeau to Herg? is. Lars?

I remember this story very well. Well, I remember it was published right after
a great vacation I had, so I KNOW it came in July 2001.

A quick INDUCKS check reveals the issue was, in your case, Anders And & Co
27/01. Story code D 99252.

And the discussion on the cadeau has been up earlier...

November 25th 2002, Lars Jensen wrote:

> [Gilles Maurice:]
> The first page of the story he [Douglas McDuck] appears
> in (D 99252) seems to be a sort of spoof (plagiate?) on the first
> page of Herg?'s Tintin-album 'Coke en stock' ('The Red Sea
> Sharks').

It was a homage. Originally, the comic book shop's window didn't have a
display of superheroes - and we were going to get a closer look at the
album Donald was reading. An album strongly reminiscent of "Coke en
stock".
I wanted this particular opening page, partly because I happen to think
Tintin is the greatest comic book ever created and partly because it was
a handy explanation of the incredible coincidence that Scrooge would
happen to run into a relative he hadn't seen for years. By paralleling
the album events with the "real-life" Duckburg events, I hoped the
Scrooge-Douglas meeting would become more believable to the reader. Oh,
and I also wanted this opening page because Scrooge's (idiotic)
criticism of Donald's wasteful ways (in buying that album) would be
paralleled by Douglas' (idiotic) criticism of Scrooge's wasteful ways
over the next 11 pages.
My editor believed we couldn't make that obvious a reference to Tintin
and Haddock and instead had them changed to superheroes named Beakman
and Herring. The opening still worked, though.

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That's my two cents for today. At least for now.

Olaf

Are there story codes for these old strips?, I've just obtained a very early
Australian MM comic that I'd like to index but I can't find the codes. It's a 48
page comic with 4 panels per page, I'm not sure how many stories are in it
(might be just one), the comic starts off with MM building a Mini golf course,
later in the book another mouse called "Mr Slicker" takes up with Minnie so
Mickey starts trying various methods of killing himself.

Thanks in advance to anyone who can help.

Tony

David G.

>>Now, what about "The Big Break-In" ? Is what we read in US 320
>>the original Carl Fallberg script and dialogue, or is this an
>>italian "rewrite" ?
>
> The Egmont archives contain black-and-white photostats to the
>'final' Disney Studio version of the story: that is to say, Scarpa
>art with English language dialogue in the voice balloons.

OK, so it's still the same stuff going 'round, I though this
might have been from another source.

Since the art is already finished, the dialogue obviously
was done after that, hence it's still impossible to tell
whether Scarpa and/or other italian authors have actually
tampered with the original scripts and to what extent.

The american "localization" certainly wasn't done in Italy,
none of the authors, nor the editors I believe, could
have done it themselves, so it must have bounced back
and forth between sides of the Pond a few times before
reaching it's final state and publication in Europe.

Another one to file in the "Will we ever know?" folder,
I guess...

Thanks!

Cheers!

Eta Beta

Cord wrote:
> Yes, but this edition was printed without a licence, I believe. And it
> is far out of the price range of most comics fans.
>
If you are speaking of the German release I believe that it was
issued with a licence.
But I think that there are at least one or two other versions made
without licence.

All I can say is: It's *definitely* worth a thousand dollars for the
set. Get it if you can!

/Joakim.

Cord wrote:
>> Yes, but this edition was printed without a licence, I
>> believe. And it is far out of the price range of most
>> comics fans.

Joakim wrote:
> If you are speaking of the German release I believe that it was
> issued with a licence. But I think that there are at least one or two
other
> versions made without licence.

The sets which are available are combined from two different editions:

Some volumes are red and contain single, unbound sheets. They state
"Comic Buch Club Germany. Sammler Ausgabe limitiert auf 500 Examplare"
and have a (c) Disney (whether correct or fake I cannot judge)

The other volumes in the set are yellow and contain bound sheets (but in
the same format). They state "Verein Kultur der V?lker Leipzig. Printed
and manufactured in the German Democratic Republic. Printrun (sic!)
limited to not over 300 copies" and also have a (c) Disney (but in this
case at least I can't believe that a communist country in the times of
the Cold War paid the Disney Company to publish Mickey strips).

Cord