Hi all!
In a previous mail someone stated that because "Carl" is a usual name in
Sweden that would make Carl Barks a Swede by following my logic. This is off
course *not* correct.
Some names are typical for one language or one group of languages. Examples:
Sigvald = Scandinavian
Horst = German
Francois = French
Bart = Dutch/Flemish
Vladimir = Russian
Other names are widely uses in many languages. Examples:
Carl
Hans
Jakob
John
Michael
So a person named Carl can be American as well as Swedish or Danish or
Norwegian or Dutch or German for that matter. But as Charles is the way that
name is written in its English language way, it is not unlikely that
Americans named Carl are of continental or Scandinavian origin.
Sigvald
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Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
The name "Carl"
Message 751 -
2003-08-30 at 14:37:57
Kriton Kyrimis
Magica
Message 752 -
2003-08-30 at 15:02:58
DON:
> A witch (or warlock) is a supernatural being with inherent
> supernatural/magical powers
...
> Anyone can
> learn to become a sorcerer with great study of arcane knowledge found
> through long examinations and translations of ancient tomes and lots and
> lots of practice...
I can tell you right now, that my aunt, "witch" Hazel had a fit when she read
this. Are you implying that witches do not have to study? I'll have you know
that Auntie Hazel had to go through 149 grueling years of witch college
to get her witch's degree.
I sincerely hope that what she started cooking after she read your message is
nothing more sinister than parsnip pudding, as people have been known to use
wallnut shells for hats, after upsetting my aunt!
Seriously, it would seem to me that what you describe as the difference
between a sorceress and a witch is that between an amateur and a professional.
An amateur witch (a sorceress, by your definition) would be able to perform a
spell or two, probably without real knowledge of what they are doing, while a
professional witch, having studied *a lot* more (it's probably not a
coincidence that witches are usually portraid as old) can perform a lot more
magic than amateurs.
> witches are ugly old crones.
Auntie Hazel, why are you putting those bat wings in the cauldron? I thought
you were making parsnip pudding!
:-)
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"To let yourself grow old is suicide."
-----
> A witch (or warlock) is a supernatural being with inherent
> supernatural/magical powers
...
> Anyone can
> learn to become a sorcerer with great study of arcane knowledge found
> through long examinations and translations of ancient tomes and lots and
> lots of practice...
I can tell you right now, that my aunt, "witch" Hazel had a fit when she read
this. Are you implying that witches do not have to study? I'll have you know
that Auntie Hazel had to go through 149 grueling years of witch college
to get her witch's degree.
I sincerely hope that what she started cooking after she read your message is
nothing more sinister than parsnip pudding, as people have been known to use
wallnut shells for hats, after upsetting my aunt!
Seriously, it would seem to me that what you describe as the difference
between a sorceress and a witch is that between an amateur and a professional.
An amateur witch (a sorceress, by your definition) would be able to perform a
spell or two, probably without real knowledge of what they are doing, while a
professional witch, having studied *a lot* more (it's probably not a
coincidence that witches are usually portraid as old) can perform a lot more
magic than amateurs.
> witches are ugly old crones.
Auntie Hazel, why are you putting those bat wings in the cauldron? I thought
you were making parsnip pudding!
:-)
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"To let yourself grow old is suicide."
-----
Kriton Kyrimis
Sands of Time
Message 753 -
2003-08-30 at 15:15:17
DANIEL:
> Are there any willing people who are brave enough to go to the *future*,
> to get this edition?
Well, I did, and you won't believe how far into the future I had to go, until
Disney finally failed to get yet another copyright extension.
The problem now is that, according to my lawyer, I can only make copies of
that edition starting from the date that Disney's Copyright will finally
expire, so I'm afraid that you'll have to wait for a bit. A very *long* bit...
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"The problem with cheating Death is that he's a sore loser at the best
of times."
-----
> Are there any willing people who are brave enough to go to the *future*,
> to get this edition?
Well, I did, and you won't believe how far into the future I had to go, until
Disney finally failed to get yet another copyright extension.
The problem now is that, according to my lawyer, I can only make copies of
that edition starting from the date that Disney's Copyright will finally
expire, so I'm afraid that you'll have to wait for a bit. A very *long* bit...
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"The problem with cheating Death is that he's a sore loser at the best
of times."
-----
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Names and statistics
Message 754 -
2003-08-30 at 21:56:02
Olaf Solstrand <olaf at andebyonline.com> wrote:
> It's an attempt to make you understand that
> people can be Swedish even though they don't
> have a typical common Swedish name. Also:
> One can be Swedish and still have a German
> name.
Maybe so, but this time my suspicion was proven true.
>> I don't know why the name Horst occurs so
>> much more frequent in Sweden than in Norway,
>> but a good guess would be that it is because
>> Sweden wasn't invaded by the Germans from
>> 1940 to 1945. Just remember that the Swedish
>> king from 1950 to 1973 was named Gustav 6
>> Adolf. I can't imagine that a Norwegian or
>> a Danish king could possibly have used the
>> name Adolf after WW2.
>
> Oh no... That can only mean... Horst Schroeder > is really Hitler? :-)
No, no, no you are taking my statement way to far!
> And, correct me if I'm wrong, as Swedish
> monarchy has never been one of my favourite
> subjects, but... if he was king from 1950
> to 1973, wouldn't that mean he was given
> that name _long before_ WW2?
Yes, but with kings it doesn't work just like that. Our next king can freely
choose if he will be called "Haakon VIII" or "Haakon VIII Magnus", so that
Swedish king could in 1950 freely have chosen to be called Gusav 6 without
using the Adolf name. He chose to use it - well OK a name is just a name I
guess, but I doubt that could have happened in Norway or in Denmark.
Sigvald
> It's an attempt to make you understand that
> people can be Swedish even though they don't
> have a typical common Swedish name. Also:
> One can be Swedish and still have a German
> name.
Maybe so, but this time my suspicion was proven true.
>> I don't know why the name Horst occurs so
>> much more frequent in Sweden than in Norway,
>> but a good guess would be that it is because
>> Sweden wasn't invaded by the Germans from
>> 1940 to 1945. Just remember that the Swedish
>> king from 1950 to 1973 was named Gustav 6
>> Adolf. I can't imagine that a Norwegian or
>> a Danish king could possibly have used the
>> name Adolf after WW2.
>
> Oh no... That can only mean... Horst Schroeder > is really Hitler? :-)
No, no, no you are taking my statement way to far!
> And, correct me if I'm wrong, as Swedish
> monarchy has never been one of my favourite
> subjects, but... if he was king from 1950
> to 1973, wouldn't that mean he was given
> that name _long before_ WW2?
Yes, but with kings it doesn't work just like that. Our next king can freely
choose if he will be called "Haakon VIII" or "Haakon VIII Magnus", so that
Swedish king could in 1950 freely have chosen to be called Gusav 6 without
using the Adolf name. He chose to use it - well OK a name is just a name I
guess, but I doubt that could have happened in Norway or in Denmark.
Sigvald
Madame Jennifer Inantaz
Mr.Don Rosa
Message 755 -
2003-08-30 at 22:59:19
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Martin Olsen
OT: Gustavs and Adolfs
Message 756 -
2003-08-30 at 23:51:08
Olaf:
> And, correct me if I'm wrong, as Swedish
> monarchy has never been one of my favourite
> subjects, but... if he was king from 1950
> to 1973, wouldn't that mean he was given
> that name _long before_ WW2?
Sigvald:
> Yes, but with kings it doesn't work just like that. Our next king can freely
> choose if he will be called "Haakon VIII" or "Haakon VIII Magnus", so that
> Swedish king could in 1950 freely have chosen to be called Gusav 6 without
> using the Adolf name. He chose to use it - well OK a name is just a name I
> guess, but I doubt that could have happened in Norway or in Denmark.
Well, I won't claim to be able to read the mind of the late King Gustav VI Adolf of Sweden, especially since he has been dead for three decades, but I do know a few historical facts.
Gustav VI Adolf was born on November 11, 1882, so he had his Adolf several years before Adolf Hitler, who was born on April 20, 1889.
When Gustav Adolf became king of Sweden in 1950, he was actually of retirement age. His father, Gustav V, died 13 days before Gustav Adolf's 68th birthday.
I can think of at least two good reasons why Gustav Adolf chose Gustav VI Adolf for his name as a monarch:
One is that his immediate predecessor was Gustav V - so a name other than just Gustav VI would make it easier to distinguish the two.
Another is that earlier Swedish kings had chosen likewise:
Gustav II Adolf (king 1611-1632), Gustav IV Adolf (king 1792-1809)
The odd-numbered Gustavs were Gustav I Vasa (king 1523-1560), Gustav III (king 1771-1792), and Gustav V (king 1907-1950).
Apparently, in 1792 Gustav IV Adolf was in a situation similar to Gustav VI Adolf's: He succeeded his father on the throne, the fathers being named Gustav III, Gustav V, respectively.
It is noteworthy that the kings Karl X Gustav and Carl XVI Gustav do not count in the Gustav-numbering.
Another thing to bear in mind when you try to "understand" Gustav VI Adolf's choice of his royal name is the fact that his eldest son, who was also named Gustav Adolf, the father of the current king of Sweden, was killed in an airplane accident at Copenhagen Airport in 1947. Thus, he may have chosen the name not only because it *was* his name, and not only to be readily distinguished from his father, but also in remembrance of his late son.
To Sigvald:
If and when your crown prince Haakon Magnus becomes king of Norway he has other choices than the two you mention.
One simple observation is that he may choose to name himself Magnus VII (or VIII?) (According to http://home.online.no/~olhov/norge.html the latest Magnus was Magnus VI (king 1319-1355), but I found the previous Magnus numbered as Magnus VI Lagab?te (king 1263-1280) in another source.)
Another possibility is Haakon Magnus I, just like some 20th century popes chose Johannes (John) Paul I and Johannes (John) Paul II as their names despite the fact that there had been 23 popes called Johannes (John) and 6 popes called Paul before them.
When Haakon VII became king of Norway in 1905 he chose the name Haakon, but his given name was prince Carl of Denmark - or to be precise: Prince Christian Frederik Carl Georg Valdemar Axel of Denmark
Of course, Prince Carl chose the name Haakon as a homage to the ancient Norwegian kings, and his son, who was born as Prince Alexander Edward Christian Frederik of Denmark, was at the same time given the name Olav. He later became king Olav V.
There is no reason to believe that Haakon Magnus will choose any other name as a king than one or both of the names he is known by, but in the end I believe it's his choice, and if he really has a free choice, he just might choose to call himself King Scrooge the First.
Of course I'd better stop this off course nonsense and get back on course.
Martin.
> And, correct me if I'm wrong, as Swedish
> monarchy has never been one of my favourite
> subjects, but... if he was king from 1950
> to 1973, wouldn't that mean he was given
> that name _long before_ WW2?
Sigvald:
> Yes, but with kings it doesn't work just like that. Our next king can freely
> choose if he will be called "Haakon VIII" or "Haakon VIII Magnus", so that
> Swedish king could in 1950 freely have chosen to be called Gusav 6 without
> using the Adolf name. He chose to use it - well OK a name is just a name I
> guess, but I doubt that could have happened in Norway or in Denmark.
Well, I won't claim to be able to read the mind of the late King Gustav VI Adolf of Sweden, especially since he has been dead for three decades, but I do know a few historical facts.
Gustav VI Adolf was born on November 11, 1882, so he had his Adolf several years before Adolf Hitler, who was born on April 20, 1889.
When Gustav Adolf became king of Sweden in 1950, he was actually of retirement age. His father, Gustav V, died 13 days before Gustav Adolf's 68th birthday.
I can think of at least two good reasons why Gustav Adolf chose Gustav VI Adolf for his name as a monarch:
One is that his immediate predecessor was Gustav V - so a name other than just Gustav VI would make it easier to distinguish the two.
Another is that earlier Swedish kings had chosen likewise:
Gustav II Adolf (king 1611-1632), Gustav IV Adolf (king 1792-1809)
The odd-numbered Gustavs were Gustav I Vasa (king 1523-1560), Gustav III (king 1771-1792), and Gustav V (king 1907-1950).
Apparently, in 1792 Gustav IV Adolf was in a situation similar to Gustav VI Adolf's: He succeeded his father on the throne, the fathers being named Gustav III, Gustav V, respectively.
It is noteworthy that the kings Karl X Gustav and Carl XVI Gustav do not count in the Gustav-numbering.
Another thing to bear in mind when you try to "understand" Gustav VI Adolf's choice of his royal name is the fact that his eldest son, who was also named Gustav Adolf, the father of the current king of Sweden, was killed in an airplane accident at Copenhagen Airport in 1947. Thus, he may have chosen the name not only because it *was* his name, and not only to be readily distinguished from his father, but also in remembrance of his late son.
To Sigvald:
If and when your crown prince Haakon Magnus becomes king of Norway he has other choices than the two you mention.
One simple observation is that he may choose to name himself Magnus VII (or VIII?) (According to http://home.online.no/~olhov/norge.html the latest Magnus was Magnus VI (king 1319-1355), but I found the previous Magnus numbered as Magnus VI Lagab?te (king 1263-1280) in another source.)
Another possibility is Haakon Magnus I, just like some 20th century popes chose Johannes (John) Paul I and Johannes (John) Paul II as their names despite the fact that there had been 23 popes called Johannes (John) and 6 popes called Paul before them.
When Haakon VII became king of Norway in 1905 he chose the name Haakon, but his given name was prince Carl of Denmark - or to be precise: Prince Christian Frederik Carl Georg Valdemar Axel of Denmark
Of course, Prince Carl chose the name Haakon as a homage to the ancient Norwegian kings, and his son, who was born as Prince Alexander Edward Christian Frederik of Denmark, was at the same time given the name Olav. He later became king Olav V.
There is no reason to believe that Haakon Magnus will choose any other name as a king than one or both of the names he is known by, but in the end I believe it's his choice, and if he really has a free choice, he just might choose to call himself King Scrooge the First.
Of course I'd better stop this off course nonsense and get back on course.
Martin.
Rich Bellacera
Pigs is Pigs
Message 757 -
2003-08-31 at 00:15:01
Since I managed to cause so much fuss about Disney "witches" lets see if
the same can be had about Pigs?
First, let it be known that I am still in search of images of Percy Pigg
and his son Plato as they appear in more recent comics.
Now, on to Disney Pigs.
Perhaps I should preface this, because I am seeking this information for
obvious reasons and the parameters are typically characters that are
known to be "recurring."
Here is my inventory of Disney Pigs:
1) The Three Little Pigs a.k.a. Practical (Pete Pig), Fiddler (Cyril
Pig)) & Fifer (Marcus Pig)
Perhaps the best known of Disney pigs even though Disney didn't actually
originate them. They are among the longest running characters in Disney
history and while truly belonging to the Forest community, they have, on
occassion, interacted with the broader stable of Disney characters, even
being listed among the Junior Woodchucks. While they are living on
their own, they are typically depicted as youngsters, approximately the
same age as HDL. Their arch-nemesis is the Big Bad Wolf, of course.
2) Peter & Paddy Pig
Peter was also among the earliest recurring characters, but his
popularity dwindled long ago and he is seldom seen these days. He
started his Disney career, like Donald, in the film "The Wise Little
Hen." After that he was part of Mickey's gang, especially in British
annuals and promotional toys and items. In comics he briefly teamed up
with Donald as a News Reporter, but then he was lost to obscurity. He
did appear in the film "The Band Concert" along with another pig whom
I've been told was his brother named Paddy Pig. It is also known that
Peter is a cousin of TLP, thus Paddy would be as well. Peter and Paddy
have rarely been seen these days. Peter's last big appearance was in
"Who Framed Roger Rabbit," I believe. Paddy, as far as I know, has
never made another appearance.
3) Patricia & Percy Pigg (Peggy & Plato)
There is some discussion surrounding the spelling of Percy's last name,
and I have a British publication which even spells it as Pigge, but
giving it a double "g" is a good way of distinguishing this couple from
the rest of the Pigs in the Disney universe. Patricia seems to be more
important that Percy and she is typically listed "first" whenever they
are discussed. These two are perhaps Disney's longest married couple,
who while their fame has deminished greatly, they are still there,
always ready to pop up in someone's story... especially Patricia. These
two also have two children named Peggy & Plato. The children appear to
be around the same age as HDL.
4) The Pig Mayor (also called Mayor Hogg?)
While not typically a BIG player in Disney stories, he is quite
frequently seen. He is better known as the Mayor of Duckburg, and
Mickey hometown has been known to have a dogface mayor named Scott.
Whether this is still true, I don't know. Also, there are occasional
stories where the mayor of Duckburg is a dogface, and I believe Don Rosa
even designed a story showing the passing of the torch from the Pig to
the Dog mayor. Evenso, the most common mayor is still the Pig Mayor.
5) Herbert (Hog?)
The slow and dim and dirty friend of HDL. Not a whole lot is known
about him, though he has appeared on several occasions. I don't know
where I heard that his last name was "Hog" but maybe he is a relation of
the Mayor? Herbert's mother also appeared in one comic. Despite having
appeared only a few times he is pretty well known among duck fans.
6) Argus McSwine (a.k.a. The Pig Villain)
A creation of Carl Barks and has be very inconsistently named in each of
his appearances. He has been granted the name Argus McSwine by the List
community, though I'm not sure he has used that name more than once. He
is a dastardly depicted character who has an extreme animosity toward
Donald, almost to the same level as Neighbor Jones. And, while they may
not be actual next-door neighbors, apparently Argus does live in the
same neighborhood as Donald. Argus has other relatives whom he has
teamed with against the Ducks also.
7) Raymond "Ruffy Razorback" Hog
Another cousin of the TLP, though much older, probably the same age as
the BBW. Raymond has appeared a few times in defense of his little
cousins, otherwse he's pretty obscure. Simply being another member of
the Forest community.
8) Muscles McGurk
Very much in he same vein as Neighbor Jones, Muscles McGurk is Mickey's
next door neighbor who seems to dislike everything about Mickey.
Currently he is not tracked in the INDUCKS though I know he's made
several appearances. If anyone knows what he is called in their native
language I would love to collect that information as well. So far I
only know his English name and I believe I have a story with him in
Italian, too. As far as anything else pertinent, I don't know anything
about him. I believe he also appears as a villain in David's "Egg
Collector" story.
9) Lardello (Lardy)
While there's ALWAYS been a young pigboy member of the Junior Woodchucks
I don't believe he was ever consistently acknowledged until the Italian
GIOVANI MARMOTTE series came out. Here he is a regular and prominent
member of the cast. However, he is often depicted as a stereotype
(chubby, gluttonous, etc.). Does he have a more complete name and
possibly an English equivalent?
10) Zipp & Zita
While not truly Pigs in the same sense as any of the above, they are
still Pig-like. This brother and sister duo are actually aliens who
come from another dimension. They have visited Scrooge and the Ducks on
a couple of occassions. They are not evil, but were once presented as
gifts to Magica. I don't have any of their stories or I would share
more about them.
11) Cintia Paiva (Mr. & Mrs Paiva)
The little pig-girl who lives next to Fethry and is a good friend of
Dugan's. I don't know much about her.except what she looks like.
12) Pat
A young pigboy and one of the team members of Morty & Ferdie's Riverside
Rovers.
13) Benzino Gasolinni
Not really relevant since he was a DUCKTALES obscure character, but he
did appear several episodes of the series. He was a millionaire racecar
driver. That's about the extent of his importance... just that he was
among the uppercrust and travelled in the same circles as Scrooge. I
don't believe he ever appeared in a comic.
14) Piggy
At least that's the name I know he had. He was probably called by
various other names, too. He was Grandma Duck's main pig on her farm.
Once again. This is what I BELIEVE I know about these characters. If
you have more accurate information or even more information than what
I've listed, please feel free to contribute.
Also, if you know of any other recurring Pig characters please advise.
One-shot characters are not as relevant unless they are, perhaps,
related to any of the above characters.
Thanks,
Rich Bellacera
xephyr at cwnet.com
the same can be had about Pigs?
First, let it be known that I am still in search of images of Percy Pigg
and his son Plato as they appear in more recent comics.
Now, on to Disney Pigs.
Perhaps I should preface this, because I am seeking this information for
obvious reasons and the parameters are typically characters that are
known to be "recurring."
Here is my inventory of Disney Pigs:
1) The Three Little Pigs a.k.a. Practical (Pete Pig), Fiddler (Cyril
Pig)) & Fifer (Marcus Pig)
Perhaps the best known of Disney pigs even though Disney didn't actually
originate them. They are among the longest running characters in Disney
history and while truly belonging to the Forest community, they have, on
occassion, interacted with the broader stable of Disney characters, even
being listed among the Junior Woodchucks. While they are living on
their own, they are typically depicted as youngsters, approximately the
same age as HDL. Their arch-nemesis is the Big Bad Wolf, of course.
2) Peter & Paddy Pig
Peter was also among the earliest recurring characters, but his
popularity dwindled long ago and he is seldom seen these days. He
started his Disney career, like Donald, in the film "The Wise Little
Hen." After that he was part of Mickey's gang, especially in British
annuals and promotional toys and items. In comics he briefly teamed up
with Donald as a News Reporter, but then he was lost to obscurity. He
did appear in the film "The Band Concert" along with another pig whom
I've been told was his brother named Paddy Pig. It is also known that
Peter is a cousin of TLP, thus Paddy would be as well. Peter and Paddy
have rarely been seen these days. Peter's last big appearance was in
"Who Framed Roger Rabbit," I believe. Paddy, as far as I know, has
never made another appearance.
3) Patricia & Percy Pigg (Peggy & Plato)
There is some discussion surrounding the spelling of Percy's last name,
and I have a British publication which even spells it as Pigge, but
giving it a double "g" is a good way of distinguishing this couple from
the rest of the Pigs in the Disney universe. Patricia seems to be more
important that Percy and she is typically listed "first" whenever they
are discussed. These two are perhaps Disney's longest married couple,
who while their fame has deminished greatly, they are still there,
always ready to pop up in someone's story... especially Patricia. These
two also have two children named Peggy & Plato. The children appear to
be around the same age as HDL.
4) The Pig Mayor (also called Mayor Hogg?)
While not typically a BIG player in Disney stories, he is quite
frequently seen. He is better known as the Mayor of Duckburg, and
Mickey hometown has been known to have a dogface mayor named Scott.
Whether this is still true, I don't know. Also, there are occasional
stories where the mayor of Duckburg is a dogface, and I believe Don Rosa
even designed a story showing the passing of the torch from the Pig to
the Dog mayor. Evenso, the most common mayor is still the Pig Mayor.
5) Herbert (Hog?)
The slow and dim and dirty friend of HDL. Not a whole lot is known
about him, though he has appeared on several occasions. I don't know
where I heard that his last name was "Hog" but maybe he is a relation of
the Mayor? Herbert's mother also appeared in one comic. Despite having
appeared only a few times he is pretty well known among duck fans.
6) Argus McSwine (a.k.a. The Pig Villain)
A creation of Carl Barks and has be very inconsistently named in each of
his appearances. He has been granted the name Argus McSwine by the List
community, though I'm not sure he has used that name more than once. He
is a dastardly depicted character who has an extreme animosity toward
Donald, almost to the same level as Neighbor Jones. And, while they may
not be actual next-door neighbors, apparently Argus does live in the
same neighborhood as Donald. Argus has other relatives whom he has
teamed with against the Ducks also.
7) Raymond "Ruffy Razorback" Hog
Another cousin of the TLP, though much older, probably the same age as
the BBW. Raymond has appeared a few times in defense of his little
cousins, otherwse he's pretty obscure. Simply being another member of
the Forest community.
8) Muscles McGurk
Very much in he same vein as Neighbor Jones, Muscles McGurk is Mickey's
next door neighbor who seems to dislike everything about Mickey.
Currently he is not tracked in the INDUCKS though I know he's made
several appearances. If anyone knows what he is called in their native
language I would love to collect that information as well. So far I
only know his English name and I believe I have a story with him in
Italian, too. As far as anything else pertinent, I don't know anything
about him. I believe he also appears as a villain in David's "Egg
Collector" story.
9) Lardello (Lardy)
While there's ALWAYS been a young pigboy member of the Junior Woodchucks
I don't believe he was ever consistently acknowledged until the Italian
GIOVANI MARMOTTE series came out. Here he is a regular and prominent
member of the cast. However, he is often depicted as a stereotype
(chubby, gluttonous, etc.). Does he have a more complete name and
possibly an English equivalent?
10) Zipp & Zita
While not truly Pigs in the same sense as any of the above, they are
still Pig-like. This brother and sister duo are actually aliens who
come from another dimension. They have visited Scrooge and the Ducks on
a couple of occassions. They are not evil, but were once presented as
gifts to Magica. I don't have any of their stories or I would share
more about them.
11) Cintia Paiva (Mr. & Mrs Paiva)
The little pig-girl who lives next to Fethry and is a good friend of
Dugan's. I don't know much about her.except what she looks like.
12) Pat
A young pigboy and one of the team members of Morty & Ferdie's Riverside
Rovers.
13) Benzino Gasolinni
Not really relevant since he was a DUCKTALES obscure character, but he
did appear several episodes of the series. He was a millionaire racecar
driver. That's about the extent of his importance... just that he was
among the uppercrust and travelled in the same circles as Scrooge. I
don't believe he ever appeared in a comic.
14) Piggy
At least that's the name I know he had. He was probably called by
various other names, too. He was Grandma Duck's main pig on her farm.
Once again. This is what I BELIEVE I know about these characters. If
you have more accurate information or even more information than what
I've listed, please feel free to contribute.
Also, if you know of any other recurring Pig characters please advise.
One-shot characters are not as relevant unless they are, perhaps,
related to any of the above characters.
Thanks,
Rich Bellacera
xephyr at cwnet.com
Olaf Solstrand
Names and statistics
Message 758 -
2003-08-31 at 01:49:05
A little something Sigvald:
> > One can be Swedish and still have a German
> > name.
>
> Maybe so, but this time my suspicion was proven true.
"Proven true"...
First: The original statement, that Scroeder is Swedish, still stands. Nobody
has been able to tell yet whether he's a Swedish citizen or not, but as we know
he has lived in Sweden as long as he has, it frankly would surprise me if he
didn't.
Second: Why on EARTH are we discussing that? Sigvald, I must confess: When
someone in the middle of a discussion mentions "Swedish (something)", I find it
a little STRANGE to suddenly burst out saying "he's most likely not Swedish"
unless you KNOW that. Drawing that conclusion based on his name only, and
saying it out loud, seems to me a little bizarre. And that's regardless of
whether it's true or not that he was born and raised in Germany, as you had no
way of knowing that. It's irrelevant for the discussion anyway.
If you KNEW something, it would be a whole different discussion. If someone
wrote "Don Rosa has been my favorite artist since he started making Mickey
Mouse comics in 1974", and you responded "Don Rosa didn't start making Disney
comics before 1986/87, and he has never made a Mickey Mouse comic" - THAT would
be a whole different case. In that case you would be correcting a wrong fact
for something you KNEW were correct. But in this case... am I wrong if I guess
that you, Sigvald, never has heard of Horst Scroeder before this discussion
started? TRUE, Horst is a German name, but there's still a chance the man
himself is Swedish, plus that is a tiny detail with no relevance for what
people are talking about... so why argue on it? Why fix it if it's not broken?
> > Oh no... That can only mean... Horst Schroeder > is really Hitler? :-)
>
> No, no, no you are taking my statement way to far!
I did that on purpose... trying to follow the great thread among others Dani?l
and Cord (may he go into the history books as a pioneer of time travelling!)
has started lately. Obviously, I'm not very good at it.
> Yes, but with kings it doesn't work just like that. Our next king can
> freely choose if he will be called "Haakon VIII" or "Haakon VIII Magnus",
> so that Swedish king could in 1950 freely have chosen to be called Gusav 6
> without using the Adolf name. He chose to use it - well OK a name is just
> a name I guess, but I doubt that could have happened in Norway or in
> Denmark.
A name is just a name, true. As Shakespeare said it: "Deny thy father and
refuse thy name, or, if thou wilt not, be but sworn my love and I'll no longer
be a Capulet!" And we all stand free to change our names - but personally I
think a name is something you have such strong feelings for that it takes
something extraordinary to change it.
(I'll change my surname when I marry, though, but that's extraordinary, isn't
it?)
Best,
Olaf the Grey
(just felt for a name change tonight)
> > One can be Swedish and still have a German
> > name.
>
> Maybe so, but this time my suspicion was proven true.
"Proven true"...
First: The original statement, that Scroeder is Swedish, still stands. Nobody
has been able to tell yet whether he's a Swedish citizen or not, but as we know
he has lived in Sweden as long as he has, it frankly would surprise me if he
didn't.
Second: Why on EARTH are we discussing that? Sigvald, I must confess: When
someone in the middle of a discussion mentions "Swedish (something)", I find it
a little STRANGE to suddenly burst out saying "he's most likely not Swedish"
unless you KNOW that. Drawing that conclusion based on his name only, and
saying it out loud, seems to me a little bizarre. And that's regardless of
whether it's true or not that he was born and raised in Germany, as you had no
way of knowing that. It's irrelevant for the discussion anyway.
If you KNEW something, it would be a whole different discussion. If someone
wrote "Don Rosa has been my favorite artist since he started making Mickey
Mouse comics in 1974", and you responded "Don Rosa didn't start making Disney
comics before 1986/87, and he has never made a Mickey Mouse comic" - THAT would
be a whole different case. In that case you would be correcting a wrong fact
for something you KNEW were correct. But in this case... am I wrong if I guess
that you, Sigvald, never has heard of Horst Scroeder before this discussion
started? TRUE, Horst is a German name, but there's still a chance the man
himself is Swedish, plus that is a tiny detail with no relevance for what
people are talking about... so why argue on it? Why fix it if it's not broken?
> > Oh no... That can only mean... Horst Schroeder > is really Hitler? :-)
>
> No, no, no you are taking my statement way to far!
I did that on purpose... trying to follow the great thread among others Dani?l
and Cord (may he go into the history books as a pioneer of time travelling!)
has started lately. Obviously, I'm not very good at it.
> Yes, but with kings it doesn't work just like that. Our next king can
> freely choose if he will be called "Haakon VIII" or "Haakon VIII Magnus",
> so that Swedish king could in 1950 freely have chosen to be called Gusav 6
> without using the Adolf name. He chose to use it - well OK a name is just
> a name I guess, but I doubt that could have happened in Norway or in
> Denmark.
A name is just a name, true. As Shakespeare said it: "Deny thy father and
refuse thy name, or, if thou wilt not, be but sworn my love and I'll no longer
be a Capulet!" And we all stand free to change our names - but personally I
think a name is something you have such strong feelings for that it takes
something extraordinary to change it.
(I'll change my surname when I marry, though, but that's extraordinary, isn't
it?)
Best,
Olaf the Grey
(just felt for a name change tonight)
Rich Bellacera
Pigs is Pigs
Message 759 -
2003-08-31 at 02:25:52
Daniel van Eijmeren said:
> Fuss? I don't look at it as a fuss.
> I certainly hope my emails are not read that way!
Nononono, you misunderstand.... I would in no way want to
discourage you or anyone from sharing on the List or why
would I have said, "... lets see if the same can be had
about Pigs?"
I guess I should have put a "smiley" at the end of the sentence.
> The only "selfish" intention is that I like to contribute
> unknown or overlooked information. That's a challenge for me,
> and part of the fun.
I LOVE overlooked information... Heck I claim to be the "champion
of the Obscure and forgotten" Disney characters, how could I not?
> I have no life. This is my only trick. And now you're taking
> that away from me? Please, have a heart! (Sob! Sob! Sob!) :-)
Who? ME??? Never! Share!!! Live!!! Perform that amazing trick
you do so well...!
Thanks,
Rich Bellacera
xephyr at cwnet.com
> Fuss? I don't look at it as a fuss.
> I certainly hope my emails are not read that way!
Nononono, you misunderstand.... I would in no way want to
discourage you or anyone from sharing on the List or why
would I have said, "... lets see if the same can be had
about Pigs?"
I guess I should have put a "smiley" at the end of the sentence.
> The only "selfish" intention is that I like to contribute
> unknown or overlooked information. That's a challenge for me,
> and part of the fun.
I LOVE overlooked information... Heck I claim to be the "champion
of the Obscure and forgotten" Disney characters, how could I not?
> I have no life. This is my only trick. And now you're taking
> that away from me? Please, have a heart! (Sob! Sob! Sob!) :-)
Who? ME??? Never! Share!!! Live!!! Perform that amazing trick
you do so well...!
Thanks,
Rich Bellacera
xephyr at cwnet.com
Daniel Van Eijmeren
The name "Carl"
Message 760 -
2003-08-31 at 03:53:42
SIGVALD GROSFJELD, 30-08-2003:
> Some names are typical for one language or one group of languages.
> Examples:
> Sigvald = Scandinavian
> Horst = German
Stop sending these this off-topic messages to DCML!!! This is a topic
that should be posted to the happy people of http://www.dcml-talk.org
(Happy or not!)
--- Dani?l
> Some names are typical for one language or one group of languages.
> Examples:
> Sigvald = Scandinavian
> Horst = German
Stop sending these this off-topic messages to DCML!!! This is a topic
that should be posted to the happy people of http://www.dcml-talk.org
(Happy or not!)
--- Dani?l
Daniel Van Eijmeren
How to survive Sigvald Grosfjeld (Names and statistics)
Message 761 -
2003-08-31 at 04:24:29
OLAF SOLSTRAND to SIGVALD GROSFJELD, 31-08-2003:
>>> One can be Swedish and still have a German name.
>> Maybe so, but this time my suspicion was proven true.
> "Proven true"...
> First:
I hate to pick you out on this, Olaf, but please stop recharging
Sigvald's batteries. Every line is yet another bait that will lure
him into writing more off-topic stuff. It's already difficult enough
to bear him when he's writing *on-topic*.
> Second: Why on EARTH are we discussing that?
Exactly my point.
--- Dani?l
>>> One can be Swedish and still have a German name.
>> Maybe so, but this time my suspicion was proven true.
> "Proven true"...
> First:
I hate to pick you out on this, Olaf, but please stop recharging
Sigvald's batteries. Every line is yet another bait that will lure
him into writing more off-topic stuff. It's already difficult enough
to bear him when he's writing *on-topic*.
> Second: Why on EARTH are we discussing that?
Exactly my point.
--- Dani?l
Katie Sullivan
Terries and Fermies
Message 762 -
2003-08-31 at 05:08:35
Don Rosa wrote:
>I can't hack Terries or Firmies or Larkies or Harpies or any of
>that. Yeah, I loved those stories as a kid, they were two of my
>top favorites -- but I could *never* tell a story using them
>myself.
I can understand that, but it *is* a shame that we won't be
seeing a sequel to "Land Beneath the Ground." It's one of my
all-time favorites, and has been since I was like four or five
years old. I don't know WHY, exactly, it just is. ;) I loved
the cameo of the Terries and Fermies in "The Universal Solvent,"
but I guess that will have to remain their only Rosa appearance.
I know there's one Van Horn story about a Terry (or was it a
Fermy?) who gets accidentally jettisoned out into the surface
world, and Donald and his nephews help him get back home while
evading a hunter in the snow.
Are there any other stories besides these where the Terries and
Fermies appear?
Katie Sullivan
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>I can't hack Terries or Firmies or Larkies or Harpies or any of
>that. Yeah, I loved those stories as a kid, they were two of my
>top favorites -- but I could *never* tell a story using them
>myself.
I can understand that, but it *is* a shame that we won't be
seeing a sequel to "Land Beneath the Ground." It's one of my
all-time favorites, and has been since I was like four or five
years old. I don't know WHY, exactly, it just is. ;) I loved
the cameo of the Terries and Fermies in "The Universal Solvent,"
but I guess that will have to remain their only Rosa appearance.
I know there's one Van Horn story about a Terry (or was it a
Fermy?) who gets accidentally jettisoned out into the surface
world, and Donald and his nephews help him get back home while
evading a hunter in the snow.
Are there any other stories besides these where the Terries and
Fermies appear?
Katie Sullivan
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Daniel Van Eijmeren
Barks about Magica the witch
Message 763 -
2003-08-31 at 05:12:13
KRITON KYRIMIS to DON ROSA, 30-08-2003:
>> witches are ugly old crones.
> Auntie Hazel, why are you putting those bat wings in the cauldron?
> I thought you were making parsnip pudding!
Stop the press! Stop the press! (And stop Auntie Hazel!) :-)
I've just discovered that Donald Ault's book "Carl Barks Conversations"
(buy it! buy it! buy it! spam! spam! spam!) contains an interview in
which Barks discusses Magica as a witch, on page 113.
"Scrooge was created more by chance, in contrast to Magica DeSpell,
about whom I had more of an idea that here was a new regular figure
to be used. Magica was introduced much more intentionally, as a
wicked witch who was always after Scrooge's first-earned dime [US 36].
I thought at the time: Disney's always had witches who were ugly and
repulsive--why shouldn't I draw one that's not ugly, but outright sexy?
That's why she's Italian and, of course, very popular with readers in
Italy."
Interview with Carl and Gar? Barks
Klaus Stryz / 1980
In this interview, Barks doesn't only refer to Magica as a sexy witch.
He even compares her with other Disney witches.
Of course, there are also other conclusions that can be drawn from
this quote:
- only Italian witches are sexy
- Disney witches (at least those precluding Magica) are no Italians.
I don't think these two last conclusions don't add anything substantial
to this discussion, though. :-)
--- Dani?l
>> witches are ugly old crones.
> Auntie Hazel, why are you putting those bat wings in the cauldron?
> I thought you were making parsnip pudding!
Stop the press! Stop the press! (And stop Auntie Hazel!) :-)
I've just discovered that Donald Ault's book "Carl Barks Conversations"
(buy it! buy it! buy it! spam! spam! spam!) contains an interview in
which Barks discusses Magica as a witch, on page 113.
"Scrooge was created more by chance, in contrast to Magica DeSpell,
about whom I had more of an idea that here was a new regular figure
to be used. Magica was introduced much more intentionally, as a
wicked witch who was always after Scrooge's first-earned dime [US 36].
I thought at the time: Disney's always had witches who were ugly and
repulsive--why shouldn't I draw one that's not ugly, but outright sexy?
That's why she's Italian and, of course, very popular with readers in
Italy."
Interview with Carl and Gar? Barks
Klaus Stryz / 1980
In this interview, Barks doesn't only refer to Magica as a sexy witch.
He even compares her with other Disney witches.
Of course, there are also other conclusions that can be drawn from
this quote:
- only Italian witches are sexy
- Disney witches (at least those precluding Magica) are no Italians.
I don't think these two last conclusions don't add anything substantial
to this discussion, though. :-)
--- Dani?l
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Bewitched email (OT)
Message 764 -
2003-08-31 at 05:28:48
I just wrote:
> I don't think these two last conclusions don't add anything
> substantial to this discussion, though.
Hey, where does that erroneous extra "don't" come from?
I swear it was not there when I sent out the email!
People, I'm afraid this mailing list is BEWITCHED.
Maybe Cord has managed to find long examinations and translations of
not-so-ancient tomes and lots, doing lots of practice to get back to
2003?
Must be. I never don't make errors. :-)
--- Dani?l
> I don't think these two last conclusions don't add anything
> substantial to this discussion, though.
Hey, where does that erroneous extra "don't" come from?
I swear it was not there when I sent out the email!
People, I'm afraid this mailing list is BEWITCHED.
Maybe Cord has managed to find long examinations and translations of
not-so-ancient tomes and lots, doing lots of practice to get back to
2003?
Must be. I never don't make errors. :-)
--- Dani?l
Katie Sullivan
Supernatural vs. paranormal
Message 765 -
2003-08-31 at 05:30:52
Don Rosa wrote:
> I still recall a frustrating conversation 'way back
> in my college
> days with someone who just couldn't understand why scientists
> would explore
> the possibility of large sea creatures in Loch Ness or the
> so-called
> "abominable snowmen" in the Himalayas, but they were not
> investigating the
> existence of werewolves in the suburbs or vampires at the
> all-night grocery.
> I could not get through to him.
Oh goodness, I know exactly what you mean. I've read (and in
fact own) many many many books on the Loch Ness creature, sea
serpents and other, related critters like Ogopogo and Champ. I
find it a fascinating subject, and it's very frustrating that
some people consider such topics too "silly" for serious
scientific inquiry. It's absurd to think we've discovered every
animal on the planet, after all.
*gets down off her soapbox* ;)
Fortunately Disney comics have no shortage of "Nessie" type
creatures and sea serpents, and they are very real in the ducks'
universe! ;)
As for Sigvald's latest fascinating attempt at logic...my name
is Irish, yet I'm a full quarter Norwegian and only a little bit
Irish. I'm actually more German than I am Irish! Your typical
American mutt. Meaning, of course, that in America names are an
even LESS reliable determiner of ethnicity than they are in the
rest of the this ever-shrinking world community we all share.
;)
This discussion does get my vote for most absurd of the month,
though.
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> I still recall a frustrating conversation 'way back
> in my college
> days with someone who just couldn't understand why scientists
> would explore
> the possibility of large sea creatures in Loch Ness or the
> so-called
> "abominable snowmen" in the Himalayas, but they were not
> investigating the
> existence of werewolves in the suburbs or vampires at the
> all-night grocery.
> I could not get through to him.
Oh goodness, I know exactly what you mean. I've read (and in
fact own) many many many books on the Loch Ness creature, sea
serpents and other, related critters like Ogopogo and Champ. I
find it a fascinating subject, and it's very frustrating that
some people consider such topics too "silly" for serious
scientific inquiry. It's absurd to think we've discovered every
animal on the planet, after all.
*gets down off her soapbox* ;)
Fortunately Disney comics have no shortage of "Nessie" type
creatures and sea serpents, and they are very real in the ducks'
universe! ;)
As for Sigvald's latest fascinating attempt at logic...my name
is Irish, yet I'm a full quarter Norwegian and only a little bit
Irish. I'm actually more German than I am Irish! Your typical
American mutt. Meaning, of course, that in America names are an
even LESS reliable determiner of ethnicity than they are in the
rest of the this ever-shrinking world community we all share.
;)
This discussion does get my vote for most absurd of the month,
though.
Katie Sullivan
http://www.sullivanet.com/
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