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Gary Leach
> Gary Leach has informed us about that there are/is to be in all six
> versions of Maharadja Donald. Is there pictures of these on some
> webpage
> or does anyone of you have scans of them ?

Three of these have been distributed so far: the original "red" FCBD,
the San Diego Comic-Com "gold", and the ANA (American Numismatic
Association) "green". This weekend, at WizardWorld in Chicago, we will
distribute the "purple". There is a "silver" that is tied to no
specific event, but is intended to be handed out as needs be, though
not as yet. (A sixth does exist, but it's a secret - I think. I'll have
to check my notes...)

The ANA "green" deserves special note: during the convention, held this
past week, we handed out probably well over 2,000 copies, many - if not
most - to kids brought along by their parents or scout troops. These
kids were on the whole very pleased to get something like this at an
affair like this, and I have to imagine - as most of us at Gemstone do
- that we will see a resultant expansion of our readership. A very
small expansion, to be sure, but it's pointed out the usefulness of
getting our comics into venues where they may not be expected but would
be welcome.

Gary
H.W.Fluks
Seems like we manage to get heated discussions even when Sigvald is not here...

Well, here goes:

S?ren:

> > > C'mon, gents (and this goes
> > > for Dani?l as well). All this talk about heiring this or that
> > > from Barks is getting a bit tedious--as if he was the only
> > > reference point.
> >
> > My email was NOT about Barks being the only reference point.
> > Why do you think so?
>
> "Think so"?! But your major reference point *is* Barks, Dani?l, or
> am I missing some details in your mails. Not that I care personally,
> because my mail is about other things than your personal preferences.

This is fully illogical.

First you state that Dani?l's mail is too much about (heiring from) Barks.
Then Dani?l says his mail is not.
Then you say that you weren't talking about Dani?l's *mail*, but about his personal preferences.
And *then* you say you are *not* talking about Dani?l's personal preferences, but about "other things".

I can't make any logical reasoning from this!

> I quoted a private mail from Don, because I find it utterly childish

Regardless of the reason, quoting a private mail on a public forum without contacting the writer first is not a polite thing to do. IMO.

--Harry.
"Wie ben ik? Wat doe ik hier? Waar is mijn Roddelflop?"
Klartekst
Attention collectors:

In the supermarket today I noticed that Kellogg's are now packing a free
Donald Duck comic book in their Honey Puff cereal boxes. Maybe this will be
a rare giveaway in 50 years?

Nils from Norway
Goofy313g
I added the last tree I missed in my section about family trees, which means it's finally probably complete, I should have every single family tree about Disney characters that have ever been made by any artist or specialist!!!
here is the list of the authors:

Carl Barks, Jon Gisle, Mark Worden, Don Rosa, Michel Nadorp, Johnny A. Grote,
Ed Van Schuijlenburg, Volker Reiche, Giovan Battista Carpi, William Van Horn,
Monique Peterson, Tony Strobl,and some other authors...
The one I added in an ahnentafel from "Die tollsten Geschichten von Donald Duck" #137.
Now, the only pages I have to update in these pages are my family trees...

Gilles
http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/
Michiel Prior
I really don't think we should worry about how the Dutch editors
present Rosa's stories. If there'd be something to worry about, it
might be their attitude to presenting their comics *in general*.

Dutch Rosa albums don't look any worse than Dutch Barks albums,
and if the recent Verhagen and Heymans albums look better, as they
do to *me*, that's only because these latter stories are published in
their original version, being the way they were first published in the
Dutch DD weekly.

The main reason *for me* in NOT buying the newest Dutch Rosa
albums, is that the stories are presented in exactly the same way as
in the DD Extra, not looking any better, and since I already have
those stories, there's no extra reason to buy those albums.

I mean, the quality of those albums is good, but they just don't
appeal to *my personal taste*. I would ask for different coloring,
different lettering, one-part-versions without big yellow rectangles
explaining what happened last week, different paper and Don's
original text or else a more careful translation. [Maybe it's not always
the same translator. Some stories were translated a bit sloppy,
others excellently.] (Seems like I should try and buy original
American copies of Rosa's stories, which seems to me to be very
expensive.)

The German Barks albums (CBL) look better than the Dutch Barks
albums (Beste Verhalen), but I don't know about the German Rosa
albums, although they use at least Don's original covers. German
CBL albums are more expensive (E 8,60). Dutch Barks and Rosa
albums cost E 4,50. Maybe DD *shouldn't* be very expensive, or
maybe that's just Dutch policy, selling their albums at supermarkets
and people buying it maybe for its appeal of *cheap and simple
entertainment*. [Like Suske en Wiske.]

The problem is maybe that every other Dutch comic album looks
better than the Dutch Barks and Rosa albums. Douwe Dabbert looks
better. Agent 327 looks better. 'Donjon', by Joann Sfar and Lewis
Trondheim, looks gorgeous. Well, that's a French comic, but the
Dutch version is published by a Dutch publisher, 'M' (Meulenhof).

I'd like to see a Barks or Rosa album published by 'M', stylish, like
their Agent 327 albums, with better lettering or even handlettered
and with colors by Wilma Leenders or Studio Leonardo. It would cost
E 6,50 and I would immediately buy it. The only question is: would it
sell any better in the supermarkets than the Sanoma Dutch Disney
albums already do or don't?

Note: If there's a lot of Barks-and-Rosa, Barks-and-Rosa, Barks-
and-Rosa in this mail, that's only because these are the authors with
an own album series in Holland, not really because of personal
preferences, altough I'm not very worried by the absence of any
decent Branca, Cavazzano, Gottfredson, Heymans, Jippes, Milton,
Rota, Scarpa, Strobl, Taliaferro, Van Horn, Verhagen or Vicar album
series. To be honest, I don't really care much for one-author issues, I
prefer a good mix, like in the better week- and monthlies.

Michiel Prior.
Fabio Blanco
Well, I get the most fast subscription and cancellation of the history. The Gemstone comics are nice but with the cost of the... sending (?) was too expensive. Too much for monthly books... I am so sorry... but two magazines more two comic-books from Marvel was the money I win writing a page on comics in a local magazine...

FABIO (comic addict)

bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar
Rodney-selfhelpbikeco
>Don, you once wrote to me in private, that you "pity me" for not
>liking your stories

If Don had wanted everyone on the list to read this remark, I'm sure he would've cc'd us on the original message. That seems to be a rather sneaky way to get a jab in at someone that it seems that you often disagree with.

However, Barks *did* create the characters, and while the rules shouldn't be hardfast, there are boundries that he set that, I feel, should be kept. Bill Van Horn certainly doesn't strictly follow Barksian (or Rosa-ian) facts in his stories, but they stay in character. Compare that to the work of Geoffery Blum (in particular his Worldwide Witch story--D2000-187)where he makes Magica a practicing witch (using *real* witchcraft talk) and Donald an illegal music downloader, certainly not things that Barks (or most any other Disney comics creater) would've done, and yet in the article in US320, Blum primes himself as a Barksian story teller.

What's my point? I fear I've gone off on a tangent, due to my utter disgust with the Blum story that I read last night. I think we all can agree that the characters have specific personalities that should be adhered to. To some degree or another, Barks created those personalities, so that, I feel, should be the blueprint for stories that follow.

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H.W.Fluks
ACS:

> > No, it's a fact: many of the covers ARE drawn by Michel Nadorp. 8-)
> Okay - well, i grant that - and I do admit that I was quite
> keen on the cover
> he made for the album carrying Don's Universal Solvent -
> that was a nice idea

Ah, I see now that you were talking about the albums (OOM DAGOBERT), while I was mainly talking about the DONALD DUCK EXTRA comics.

The Oom Dagobert covers were not made by Nadorp. They are indeed reworked versions of Rosa drawings (sometimes re-inked, sometimes originals only re-layouted).

The Universal Solvent cover was drawn by Maarten Janssens (I saw him drawing it 8-), and based on an American cover for a completely different story.

> > Remember, when 2 covers look similar, it's also possible that Rosa
> > "traced" the original Dutch cover!
> That's a good idea - I don't think it did happen

I *did* happen (otherwise I wouldn't have mentioned it).
Don redrew a Dutch DONALD DUCK EXTRA cover for Life of Scrooge chapter 2.

--Harry.
H.W.Fluks
Michiel:

> The main reason *for me* in NOT buying the newest Dutch Rosa
> albums, is that the stories are presented in exactly the same way as
> in the DD Extra, not looking any better, and since I already have
> those stories, there's no extra reason to buy those albums.

Most stories have been double-checked for accuracy of the texts when reprinted in the albums.
The Life-of-Scrooge stories have more consistent names for the family members of Scrooge than they had in the first printing in DONALD DUCK EXTRA.

Also, the OOM DAGOBERT albums sometimes contain colour copies of Don's drawings for France and Gladstone.

Apart from that, there is indeed little new in the albums. The text articles are usually quite inaccurate.

> (Seems like I should try and buy original
> American copies of Rosa's stories, which seems to me to be very
> expensive.)

Having Rosa stories in all languages I can read (except Frisian 8-), I still prefer the English versions. Maybe because I first saw his stories in English (and my mind thinks that's how they "should be").

Getting Rosa stories in English should not become *very* expensive. Some years ago, Gladstone issued eight "graphic novels" with Rosa stories, and Disney Comics issued one album. These albums are probably still for sale at reasonable prices.
The only remaining problem is to get his more recent stories. I hope Gemstone will reprint them in "graphic novels" (or oversized "trade paperbacks") one day.

> Maybe DD *shouldn't* be very expensive, or
> maybe that's just Dutch policy, selling their albums at supermarkets
> and people buying it maybe for its appeal of *cheap and simple
> entertainment*. [Like Suske en Wiske.]

Yes, I think the main market for nearly all Dutch Disney publications is the mass market.
Or the "supermarket", so to say.

--Harry.
Anders Christian Sivebæk
Harry
>
>> > No, it's a fact: many of the covers ARE drawn by Michel Nadorp. 8-)
>> Okay - well, i grant that - and I do admit that I was quite
>> keen on the cover
>> he made for the album carrying Don's Universal Solvent -
>> that was a nice idea
>
>Ah, I see now that you were talking about the albums (OOM DAGOBERT),
>while I was mainly talking about the DONALD DUCK EXTRA comics.
Okay
>
>The Oom Dagobert covers were not made by Nadorp. They are indeed reworked
>versions of Rosa drawings (sometimes re-inked, sometimes originals only
>re-layouted).
>
>The Universal Solvent cover was drawn by Maarten Janssens (I saw him
>drawing it 8-),
8-))
>and based on an American cover for a completely different story.
Interesting!
>
>> > Remember, when 2 covers look similar, it's also possible that Rosa
>> > "traced" the original Dutch cover!
>> That's a good idea - I don't think it did happen
>
>I *did* happen
You did happen? Whadda ya mean, Harry? ;-)
>(otherwise I wouldn't have mentioned it).
>Don redrew a Dutch DONALD DUCK EXTRA cover for Life of Scrooge chapter 2.
Okay

Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Hi all!

The Norwegian Don Rosa fans have reason to be very happy these days. In
Donald Duck & Co 33/2003 (To be published on Monday August 11th) AR 116
"Rocket Reverie" is eventually published in Norwegian with the title
"Rakettdr?mmer". For the curios ones I can confirm that the hidden Mickey on
page 2 is *not* censored in this publication.

Our friend Gary Leach should also be happy now that all the three stories
that he once wrote for Don Rosa now eventually have seen print here in
Scandinavia too ? it's better late than never!

First publishing of Don Rosa's Gladstone stories in Norway:
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AR 102 ? "Solens S?nn", DD&Co 12/1992 (enclosure)
AR 103 ? "Hjelp til selvhjelp", DD&Co 29/1991
AR 104 ? "Fabelaktig dyreliv", DD&Co 1/1990*
AR 105 ? "Et gjenoppst?tt vrak", Mikke Mus 10/1990
AR 106 ? "Pengeflommen", DD&Co 39/1992 (enclosure)**
AR 107 ? no title, DD&Co 17/2001***
AR 108 ? "Grusomme gresskar", Mikke Mus 9/1989***
AR 109 ? "Du gr?nne glitrende
", Julehefte 1988***
AR 110 ? "Surs?t suksess", DD&Co 3/1990***
AR 113 ? "Siste hundeslede til Dawson", DD&Co 35-38/1990****
AR 116 ? "Rakettdr?mmer", DD&Co 33/2003
AR 118 ? "Fysisk fostring", DD&Co 29/2003
AR 119 ? "Lyrisk baksmell", DD&Co 42/1995 (enclosure)
AR 125 ? "Krokodillejegeren", Mikke Mus 2/1990
AR 128 ? "Skattenuten", DD&Co 8-9/1990
AR 130 ? "Tilbake til Gufseplassen", DD&Co 16-19/1990
AR 143 ? "Nostrildamus forbannelse", DD&Co 10/1990
AR 145 ? "Kong Skrue av Skruerike", DD&Co 39/1991 (enclosure)**

A total of 18 stories consisting of a total of 246 pages.
Have anyone ever thought about publishing these stories "Don Rosa's First"
in chronological order in one single book of the same format as the
Scandinavian Lo$ books from 1997?
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* First Don Rosa story to be published in Donald Duck & Co
** Not published in all Scandinavian countries
*** Published more than once in Norway
**** Published more than once in Norway and with a slightly changed title in
the second print: "Siste slede til Dawson".

Sigvald
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
S?ren Krarup Olesen <raptus at stofanet.dk> wrote:

> During our DDF(R) meeting ... I heard something
> shocking during the meeting. Even coming from
> someone I respect very much. Now, I was about
> to chose certain issues from 1964, of which I
> don't have many (only half the volume or so).
> I turned a few issues and then all of a sudden
> I was stopped being told that this one was
> superior to the rest, since it "contained a
> 10-pager"! My first unsaid question was what
> the...? but then I realised that it of course
> contained a Barks story. However, what my good
> companion did not realise was, that I was
> looking for interesting stories...rare
> stories...like special D-coded ones that
> nobody would ever notice on a normal Tuesday
> morning.

For everyone's information: SKO is *not* referring to me here! Actually I am
not 100% sure who of the other's he's referring to, and I won't bothering
anyone here by starting any speculations about that either.

When we visited the second-hand stores I looked for many other things than
Rosa and Barks, even Science fiction (Jim West) and western (J.T.Edson).
When it came to Disney Comics I found some old Murry stuff "The treasure of
Omba Loomba" and also the Barks/Strobl "King Scrooge I" both published in
AA&Co in 1968. And yes I also bought and old AA&Co from 1961 as it includes
"The Willage Blacksmith" a Barks story that's needed when I am going to
write part II of the history of Duckburg for DDF(R)appet.

Sigvald
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
m.j.prior at student.rug.nl wrote:

> 'Donjon', by Joann Sfar and Lewis Trondheim,
> looks gorgeous. Well, that's a French comic,
> but the Dutch version is published by a Dutch
> publisher, 'M' (Meulenhof).

Hey, who's this Lewis Trondheim? Is he a Norwegian (FYI: Trondheim is the
name of a large Norwegian city)?

Sigvald
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl wrote:

> And one more thing: the Dutch editors don't
> treat any writer or artist different from
> another. Rosa is a good writer. And (for
> instance) Korhonen is a good writer. There's
> no reason to treat Rosa's work differently
> from Korhonen's.

But such reasons does exist Harry, even though you and I may not like it.
Just remember that a few weeks ago our Danish friend AC Sivebaek told us
that Kalle Anka magazines containing Don Rosa stories are prised much higher
than other KA-magazines in some Swedish second-hand stores. Apparently the
store owners have been told to do so by an association called
"Seriefr?mjandet". In the discussion following ACs comments about this on
DCML some people also stated that "...apparently the market is willing to
pay more for DRs stories than for other peoples stories".

So, Harry, whatever opinion you may have about the value of DRs stories,
fact is that it's easily possible to point out reasons why the Dutch or
other publishers could treat Don Rosa's work differently from the work of
other present artists like Korhonen.

Sigvald
Sander D.
>Harry:
>>Remember, when 2 covers look similar, it's also possible that Rosa
>>"traced" the original Dutch cover!

Anders:
>That's a good idea - I don't think it did happen, but Don could take that
>idea. start "tracing" ducth covers

Didn't that happen with the cover for Lo$ episode 2?

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