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Olaf Solstrand
Kaczor Mateusz wrote:
> Donald Duck
> Birth date: Ca. 1920 in Duckburg

> Scrooge McDuck
> Birth date: 1867 in Glasgow, Scotland

> Daisy
> Birth date: Ca. 1920 in Duckburg

> Huey, Dewey, Louie
> Birth date: Ca. 1940

These dates were published in an official Disney magazine? And they were
presented as if they were Disney facts, and not the opinions of one creator?
What on earth has happened, then?

I thought Kaczor Donald was published by Egmont, too?

(oh, and: Personally I don't care if they have ripped Sigvald's pages or not,
but I don't think this information should be printed at all.)

Olaf
Mateusz Lis
Dear friends,

I've just re-read "Kaczor Donald" 31-2002. This is a special 350. issue and
it contains short descriptions of the most popular Disney duck characters.
The facts metioned there are well-known, but these descriptions are
interesting for me for other reason. They are very similar to these from
"who is who in Duckburg" - a site by our friend Sigvald Grosfjeld jr. Of
course I can be wrong, but try to compare these decsriptions with Sigvald's
web-site
[http://duckman.pettho.com/characters/characters.html]:

Donald Duck
Birth date: Ca. 1920 in Duckburg
Adress: house in Duckburg, he lives together with his nephews
First appearance: On June 9th, 1934 in the movie "The wise little hen".
[original title was written]
Creator: Walt Disney
Parents: Quackmore and Hortense
Siblings: Della
Relatives: Nephews - Huey, Dewey, Louie and Uncle Scrooge
Occupation: Various. He often works for Scrooge.
Vehicle: A car with registration number 313, which built himself from spare
parts.

Scrooge McDuck
Adress: Money Bin in the centre of Duckburg. in the period 1942-1947 he
lived in luxurious house in Duckburg.
Birth date: 1867 in Glasgow, Scotland
First appearance: 1947 in "Christmas On Bear Mountain" [original title was
written]
Creator: Carl Barks
Parents: Fergus McDuck, Downy O'Drake.
Siblings: Matilda and Hortense
Relatives: Donald Duck
Occupation: Business Man
Vehicle: Various cars, but *always* he has a chauffeur.

Daisy
Adress: House in Duckburg
Birth date: Ca. 1920 in Duckburg
First appearance: November 4, 1940 in daily strips with Donald.
Creator: Al Taliaferro
Parents: unknown
Siblings: She has a sister who is the mother of April, May and June.
Relatives: nieces: April May and June
Occupation: Unknown
Vehicle: Most of the time s he is transported by Donald or Gladstone

Huey, Dewey, Louie
Adress: They live together with Donald in Duckburg
Birth date: Ca. 1940
First appearance: On October 17th, 1937 in the stories with Donald Duck
"Sunday page".
Creator: Ted Osborne i Ale Taliaferro
Parents: Della, father unkwown
Siblings: They don't have more siblings
Relatives: uncle Donald Duck
Occupation: scoolboys
Vehicle: bicycles

Gladstone
Adress: house in Duckburg
Birth date: unknown
First appearance: 1948 in "Wintertime Wager". [original title was written]
Creator: Carl Barks
Parents: Daphne Duck and Goosetave Gander
Siblings: Unknown
Relatives: Unknown
Occupation: thanks to his extreme luck, he doesn't have to work
Vehicle: He usually drives a cabriolet.

Best wishes,
Mateusz Lis
Katie Sullivan
Kriton wrote:
>I don't know about Odin, but I understand that there is a
>revival of the
>ancient Greek religion over here, with a small following, not
>to mention that elements of ancient Greek worship have survived
>in Greek christian worship,
>mostly in the form of local customs. As for Zeus, in
>particular, I have heard
>that in certain parts of Greece, people still use the
>expression "Ne Dia", an
>archaic expression meaning "by Zeus"!

Very interesting! (At least, to me, who is intersted in this
sort of stuff.) ;)
Thanks for the information!

:)

Katie Sullivan
http://www.sullivanet.com/

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Katie Sullivan
First, to Daniël and Lars regarding the "Twilight Bark" and 101
Dalmatians...

I read the book on which the Disney movie was based when I was a
child. The "Twilight Bark" was in the book, which was published
long before any of the comic stories we've been discussing. But
I doubt there's really any connection. ;)

Michiel P. wrote:
>I would tend to argue that Goldie's last name is,
>contrariwise, an even more obscure 'fact' than Miss
>Quackfaster's first name. Goldie's last name O'Gilt did,
>afaik, only appear 'hidden' in a newspaper-cutting in
>Scrooge's scrapbook in the opening splash panel of Lo$ 9,
>while Miss Quackfaster's first name Emily appeared in a
>*textballoon* in Lo$ 11, after Scrooge asked *explicitly*
>for this specific piece of information.

That's a very good point! You're right. I forget sometimes
that not everyone thinks about Goldie as much as I do! ;)

Also from Michiel:
>By the way, I liked your 'Webbed Bliss' story!

Aww, thank you very much! I'm glad you liked it! :)

Stefan wrote:
>First name: Glittering
>Last name: Goldie

Yeah, that's it! ;)

Wait...if she married a certain sourdough, then would her name
become "Glittering McDuck?" LOL!!!

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Dan Rosenberg
Hear hear! I'm personally getting sick of the Rosa blasting myself. To add
my own "humble" opinion to a whole string of opinions: I think Don Rosa is
the best Duck artist out there today. Now, I can hear the groans and moans
from across the Atlantic, but I cannot deny the fact that I get more
pleasure from reading his stories than I do from reading stories by most of
his contemporaries and I've been reading Disney stories since I was a child
(As many of you here have as well, I know). This is not to say they are bad
artists, I simply like Rosa's style of art and storytelling and, honestly,
most stories coming out of Europe don't really move me at all. I often find
the art to be boring and generic and the storytelling, well, let's not get
into that. I believe as a storyteller, one should always ask themselves
"What am I doing that is so special? Why would anyone want to read this
stuff?" Rosa, I believe, asks himself these questions and it shows in the
quality of his work. It goes well beyond cranking out a passable product in
order to beat the deadlines. I think Rosa has contributed a vast amount to
the quality of today's Disney comics, and I dare say, if it weren't for him,
we would have far fewer readers of Disney comics in the US.
Barks left some pretty big shoes to fill, and it is to Don's credit that he
has had the bravery to attempt to fill those shoes. Whether he did so
successfully is, was and shall be for all time a matter of opinion. But I'll
leave you with this thought: Are musicians who are influenced by previous
generations of popular musicians simply "trying to get attention"? Of course
they are! You think The Beatles or the Rolling Stones didn't harvest ideas
from their predecessors and tried to expand on those themes? Is Mozart any
less of an artist for doing this? Picasso? Van Gogh? Perhaps I'm using grand
comparisons here, but the point remains: Artists are influenced by their
elders. This has always been so and always WILL BE so. Thanks for indulging
me.

Dan Rosenberg

Rodney writes:

>So....let me get this straight....Don bases his stories on one of his favorite
>fictional writers of all time (supposedly one of the favorite fictional writers
>of all of us), and he gets blasted for it.

>Don takes time out from an extremely busy schedule to answer the questions of
>his readers...and he gets blasted for it.

>He attempts to explain himself in a clear articulate manner (thereby granting
>more time than such messages deserve) and he gets blasted for it.

>What exactly do you want from him? I may not like Geoffery Blum's stories, but
>at least I can come up with reasons about why I don't like them, and express
>that clearly and have a civil discussion about it. You Rosa detracters can't
>even seem to do that.
Mateusz Lis
Olaf:
> These dates were published in an official Disney magazine? And they were
> presented as if they were Disney facts, and not the opinions of
> one creator?
> What on earth has happened, then?
>
> I thought Kaczor Donald was published by Egmont, too?

You are right, Olaf. I always thought that official birthday dates of Disney
characters are dates of the first apparances (e.g. Mickey was born in
1928). They shouldn't print these dates - they are based on a view of only
one creator (to be honest: the most popular creator, but still...)

Best wishes,
Kaczor Mateusz Lis
Stefan Persson
>From: Olaf Solstrand <olaf at andebyonline.com>
>To: mateusz lis <lis- at wp.pl>, dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Subject: Re: Who is who in Duckburg
>Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:05:11 +0200

>(oh, and: Personally I don't care if they have ripped Sigvald's pages or
>not,
>but I don't think this information should be printed at all.)

Especially not since U$ was born in 1880 (and not in 1867, as wrongly stated
by the Polish issue).

Stefan

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Rodney-selfhelpbikeco
With all of the negative hub-bub going about the DCML (which I must take a wee bit of blame for myself) I seem to have gotten very confused!

So, before my inbox gets flooded with angry messages (like the time someone from DCML threatened to come and kick my American a**) I'd like to publically apologize for the confusion.

rodney.

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Stefan Persson
>From: "mateusz lis" <lis- at wp.pl>
>To: "Disney Comics Mailing List" <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>, "Olaf Solstrand"
><olaf at andebyonline.com>
>Subject: RE: Who is who in Duckburg
>Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:09:49 +0200

>They shouldn't print these dates - they are based on a view of only
>one creator (to be honest: the most popular creator, but still...)

No, Barks is more popular than Rosa.

Stefan

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Mas
I don't read my email for two days, and look what happens! I have more
than a dozen more digests to read/skim through before I'm caught up - so my
apologies if this material has already been covered:

I don't have any information about when or if the Mickey Mouse newspaper
strip was cancelled.

What I'd really like to know is - how can we find out which newspapers are
going to carry the new strip? And whether or not any compilation volumes
of it will be published? (as is done with Mutts, Garfield, Dilbert, and
pretty much every other American newspaper strip)

- Mark S.
Rodney-selfhelpbikeco
Olaf asked me to forward this to the list, since he forgot to CC the DCML (how many anagrams can I come up with in one sentence?) so I said that AFIK, I can do that ASAP.

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Rodney:
> >> "If (Rosa) wants to do (old-fashioned) stories set in the (1950s)
> >> he should come up with his own ideas and not use Barks' name to
> >> get attention. From what I have read on DCML before (Rosa) uses
> >> vague ideas from Barks as basis for his stories apparently in
> >> order to get attention."

> Oh, by the way, Sigvald....where exactly did you get that notion that's
> quoted above?

That was quoted from Daniël. But, may I add: This was NOT posted as anyone's
opinion.

Sigvald wrote:
> If Blum wants to do modern stories set in the 21st century he should
> come up with his own ideas and not use Barks' name to get attention.
> From what I have read on DCML before Blum uses vague ideas from Barks
> as basis for his stories apparently in order to get attention.

This annoyed Daniël, which wrote:

> Let's convert it by filling in another innocent name. A name that will
> sound familiar to you, so you hopefully and finally will understand how
> *unreasonable* and *mistaken* you are about other creators:
>
> "If (Rosa) wants to do (old-fashioned) stories set in the (1950s)
> he should come up with his own ideas and not use Barks' name to get
> attention. From what I have read on DCML before (Rosa) uses vague
> ideas from Barks as basis for his stories apparently in order to
> get attention."
>
> See? Doesn't sound very nice and reasonable, does it?

So: The one WRITING the quoted paragraph, was Sigvald - but he wrote it about
Geoffrey Blum, not Don Rosa. So nobody really SAID this about Don Rosa, except
Daniel, which said it just to state an example.

Hope that's cleared up now.

Olaf

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Kriton Kyrimis wrote:

>> This isn't really a very good comparison because no one worships
>> Zeus or Odin anymore,
>
> I don't know about Odin

The belief in the old Norse gods, the Asatru, is currently a recognized
religion in Iceland.

Lars
Mateusz Lis
Stefan:
> No, Barks is more popular than Rosa.

How did you guess that I was thinking about Don Rosa? ;-)

I should write:
"the most popular LIVING creator"

But is Barks really more popular than Rosa now? There are so many Don Rosa
websites in the net, Rosa name is put on every cover of many weeklies when
there is his story inside, many people, also on this ML, thinks that Don
Rosa is the best Disney artist ever so I wouldn't be 100% sure.

Mateusz Lis
Mark Wright
>From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com
>Subject: Re: Help in reconstructing fragmented memory
>
>You are talking about Mickey Mouse Magazine that was published by Welsh.
> there were lots of those old sleuth (ie:mickey as sherlock holmes)
stories
>
>Welsh did lots of childrens magazines - untill they were bought by
Marvel comics, who published one childrens mag and then published no
more
>
>
>Steven Rowe
>SRoweCanoe at aol.com
>
>------------------------------

>From: "Gerstein, David DK - ECN" <DGE at ECN.egmont.com>
>Subject: RE: Help in reconstructing fragmented memory
>
> The magazine is The Wonderful World of Disney, a supermarket
>giveaway published (at the time) by Proctor and Gamble.
> The comic stories with Mickey were "Mickey And The Sleuth", in which
>a rather out-of-character Mickey plays Dr. Watson to The Sleuth, a
brilliant
>but clumsy Holmes-like London detective.
> The Sleuth's enemies are a recurring gang called the College of
>Criminal Knowledge. They are the thin, aristocratic Professor
Nefarious; the
>armadillo Armadillo, and the dopey Fliplip.
>
> The "Sleuth" stories were produced by the Disney studio itself,
>mostly for overseas use- which is why so few have ever appeared in the
USA.
>Aside from WWOD magazine, a few turned up in Western comics in the late
>1970s, and a few more in Gladstone's DONALD AND MICKEY title around
1993.
> Other Disney studio self-produced comics also appeared in WWOD; for
>example, rare Fethry Duck stories in 1960s issues of the magazine.
>
> David Gerstein
>

Thanks for both of your help. I think David's suggestion is the one
I'm looking for, as the magazine I'm thinking of clearly had Mickey
play a Watson role to the separate "Sleuth" character. The College of
Criminal Knowledge sounds familiar as well.

Thanks again,
Mark Wright

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Rich Bellacera
I know that Huey, Dewey & Louie were in simultaneous production in both animation
and comic strip. Sure the strip was published before the cartoon was ever shown
in the theaters, but who actually came up with the concept of Huey, Dewey &
Louie? Was the comic strip concept by Ted Osborne/Al Taliaferro created first or
was the cartoon story by Jack King created first? Which was based on which, not
which was actually publically presented first? This would, of course, include the
creation of their mother.

Thanks,

Rich Bellacera
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