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Lars Jensen
Mike Rhode forwarded:

> In fall of next year, Disney comic strips featuring Mickey will appear
> in newspapers.

Was the Mickey Mouse newspaper strip cancelled? I know it existed only a
few years ago.

And does anybody know who will write and draw the new strip?

Lars
Anthvvuono
Does anyone know when Trash and Treasure and Letter from Home will come out
in Europe and if there are any covers associated with them? Also, has Don Rosa
begun a new story yet after Letter from Home?
Timo Ronkainen
>Hey, who's this Lewis Trondheim? Is he a Norwegian (FYI: Trondheim is the
>name of a large Norwegian city)?

He's esteemed French comics artist. Trondheim is not his real name. Check
his bio:
http://www.fantagraphics.com/artist/trondheim/trondbio.html

Timo

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In a message dated 8/7/2003 6:22:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
lpj at forfatter.dk writes:

> Was the Mickey Mouse newspaper strip cancelled? I know it existed only a
> few years ago.
>

Hmm, i thought it ended a few years ago.....

how about the donald newspaper strip?
folded a few years ago too?

sr
H.W.Fluks
Sigv:

> So, Harry, whatever opinion you may have about the value of
> DRs stories,

1. In my previous mails I did *not* state *my* opinions on the value of Don Rosa's stories.

> fact is that it's easily possible to point out reasons why
> the Dutch or
> other publishers could treat Don Rosa's work differently from
> the work of other present artists like Korhonen.

2. It may be easy to point out reasons, but these reasons are not valid.
The sales figures or prices of Swedish comics are of no importance to Dutch editors.

--Harry.
Kriton Kyrimis
RODNEY:

> Compare that to the work of Geoffery Blum (in particular his Worldwide Witch
> story--D2000-187)where he makes Magica a practicing witch (using *real*
> witchcraft talk) and Donald an illegal music downloader, certainly not
> things that Barks (or most any other Disney comics creater) would've done

Well, Barks did portray Magica using magic (e.g., in Oddball Odyssey). As for
the Blum story, I haven't read it, but if it was about Donald discovering that
he could download music, then downloading tons of songs, despite his nephews'
warnings that what he was doing was illegal, and finally ending up owing a
huge bill to McDuck Records, then I'd say he was in character!

Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
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Søren Krarup Olesen
Yup. DCML seems to be up and running again, so here is my reply:

RODNEY(?):

> If Don had wanted everyone on the list to read this remark, I'm sure
> he would've cc'd us on the original message. That seems to be a
> rather sneaky way to get a jab in at someone that it seems that you
> often disagree with.

You might be right, although I don't think "sneaky" is the right word
for a comment, which is put forward on a public mailing list. I like to
focus on *what* is being said, not so much under which circumstances.

> However, Barks *did* create the characters [...]

He did!? Not many compared to the huge selection of characters found
in Inducks...and found in the Scandinavian weekly.

> [...] and while the rules
> shouldn't be hardfast, there are boundries that he set that, I feel,
> should be kept.

I actually agree very much on this. We shouldn't break the basic rules
(whatever they are--hard to define) and create entirely new universes
where Uncle Scrooge suddenly turns out as a poor duck, and e.g. Donald
beeing lucky and all that. My only complaint was about those eternal
comparisons between Barks/Rosa and the "mob". Judging a magazine from
whether it contains Barks/Rosa stories or not is IMHO cheating oneself
from getting (other) views from different story writers and artists.

> [...] and yet in the article in
> US320, Blum primes himself as a Barksian story teller.

Yes, well. On the other hand, we should perhaps not be too reluctant to
the development in our world. This reminds me of another private (uff
dah, that word again!) conversation with a younger friend of mine. We
were trying to figure out what Tony Strobl story was printed in his
album. He tried to explain some of the details; "Uncle Scrooge talking
into an intercom" (something like that). When I viewed the scan
afterwards, it was clear that Scrooge was in fact recording his voice
with a microphone connected to a tape-recorder, you know, one of the
old ones with large spools (e.g. Revox).

This illustrates that some sort of progression must indeed be included
in newer stories...whether we "older" guys like it or not.

HARRY:

> First you state that Dani?l's mail is too much about (heiring from) Barks.

I did not specify his "mail", only talking about his personal refs.

> Then Dani?l says his mail is not.

Which is correct. It wasn't.

> Then you say that you weren't talking about Dani?l's *mail*, but about his
> personal preferences.

Yes, that little parenthesis of mine was addressed to Dani?l and
possibly others, it was not the topic of my mail--only to catch his
attention. Nor was it the topic of Dani?l's mail.

> And *then* you say you are *not* talking about Dani?l's personal preferences,
> but about "other things".

(see above). Amazed to see how small remarks are being treated as main
subjects here. Perhaps in ze future, I should put all into a P.S. or
something to catch people's full attention. Hm.

SIGVALD:

No, it wasn't you, Sigvald or AC for that matter. It was somebody else.
BTW, glad that you've started to read some Murry. Disney comics is so wide
and provides pleasures on many levels, some for investigation, some for fun,
some for relaxation, some for indexing. It's all there.

Cheers,
S?ren
Daniel Van Eijmeren
SIGVALD GROSFJELD to KRITON KYRIMIS, 07-08-2003:

> Downloading music from the internet definately countradicts Barks.

No, it definately *doesn't* contradict Barks.

Barks's stories always took place in the *present time*.
For example, in the Barks-written 1990s story "Horsing Around With
History", a fax is mentioned.

If you read Barks's stories in a chronological order, you'll see the
influence of new fashions and techniques. In the 1960s, Barks regularly
referred to the (at that time) modern beat music. He also made stories
in which he showed the (at that time) modern fashion of wearing wigs
and long hair. In his last 1960s stories, shortly before his retirement,
Barks even modernized the looks for Daisy and Gladstone. Daisy wears a
wig and looks fashionable. Gladstone looks like a hippie.

I think that, if Barks would still create stories, he definately would
have used the internet in one of his stories. The same for mobile phones.
They give a lot of story possibilities. Barks never stuck to a certain
period or location, when telling a story. Buildings and secondary
characters popped up wherever he needed them. Barks even was *ahead* of
his time, by using rockets that went to places that people still haven't
explored in real life.

Placing stories in the 1950s, is Don Rosa's style. Why would one want to
credit Carl Barks for it?

> Barks-style stories should IMO take place in the mid-1950's +/- a
> decade.

This is (indeed) a matter of opinion.

BTW. There's a story in which Barks comes close to the concept of a
worldwide internet. I'm curious if somebody knows which story I mean.

--- Dani?l
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Kriton Kyrimis <kyrimis at cti.gr> wrote:

> Well, Barks did portray Magica using magic
> (e.g., in Oddball Odyssey). As for the Blum
> story, I haven't read it, but if it was about
> Donald discovering that he could download
> music, then downloading tons of songs, despite
> his nephews' warnings that what he was doing
> was illegal, and finally ending up owing a
> huge bill to McDuck Records, then I'd say he
> was in character!

This is *not* only about the character's character. Downloading music from
the internet definately countradicts Barks. Barks-style stories should IMO
take place in the mid-1950's +/- a decade. It's in that aspect this G. Blum
IMO seems to fail in showing respect for Barks. When I say "seems to" it's
because Egmont may have told him to do so.

Sigvald
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl wrote:

>> Fact is that it's easily possible to point
>> out reasons why the Dutch or other publishers
>> could treat Don Rosa's work differently from
>> the work of other present artists like
>> Korhonen.
>
> 2. It may be easy to point out reasons, but
> these reasons are not valid. The sales figures
> or prices of Swedish comics are of no
> importance to Dutch editors.

If Rosa stories sell well in Sweden it's chanse it will sell well in the
Netherlands too! Thus sales figures from Sweden and elsewhere is relevant
for the Dutch editors as well. That's how the modern global economy works.

Sigvald
H.W.Fluks
Sigv:

> FYI2: The reason I show this interest for COA is that I am
> about to complete
> a new Norwegian/American Don Rosa printed index (v. 4.0).
> This means that I
> need a complete list of US Rosa-publications [unreadable character removed] and for that I
> need COA. All
> the COA-troubles this year have unfortunately delayed the
> publication of this index.

You can of course also ask an Induckser (e.g. me) to mail you such an index.
But an even better thing would be to just link to Inducks (COA or bolderbast) instead of copying index information that will be out of date the moment you put it on your website.

About COA being down:
The Inducks people are all volunteers who have limited time.
We have had some offers to host COA, but the main problem is that it takes time to get all the technicalities working.

--Harry.
H.W.Fluks
Sigva:

> If Rosa stories sell well in Sweden it's chanse it will sell
> well in the
> Netherlands too! Thus sales figures from Sweden and elsewhere
> is relevant
> for the Dutch editors as well. That's how the modern global
> economy works.

No, that's not how it works. Disney comics are selling very well in The Netherlands, and not at all in Belgium. While even the language is the same.
Cultural differences are more important (apparently) than "global economy" laws.

--Harry.
Geo
"This is *not* only about the character's character. Downloading music from the internet definately countradicts Barks. Barks-style stories should IMO take place in the mid 1950's +/- a decade. It's in that aspect this G. Blum IMO seems to fail in showing respect for Barks. When I say "seems to" it's because Egmont may have told him to do so."

OK, I never reply to the mailing list but I just wanted to point out a few things from Barks' stories since you have apparently never read one:

The Ducks travel through space, let me say that again TRAVEL THROUGH SPACE

They use Scuba gear so advanced that it still does not exist

In "Island in the Sky" Barks talks in detail about how advanced duckburg is, and I have to repeat this again, THEY GO INTO SPACE

They use a Stone Ray

Personal supersonic jet aircraft (Glomgolds in particular, which is more like a Chuck Yeager jet fighter)

Scrooge moves the entire Money Bin on a mobile platform that exists now, it's used for moving the space shuttle, but it exists now

The Giant Robot Robbers, Americas answer to Mecha

The computer controlled defense systems in the money bin... I can go on forever here

My point is that Carl Barks wrote fantasy stories in a fantasy world that was set in the 50's only by style not by concept or invention. Many of the ideas that Barks wrote about were science fiction and several (like personal jetliners) are science fact but would not be available for years. Please show me how Barks EVER limited his imagination by only "living in the now".

As far as mysticisim, Barks wrote about reincarnation long before the Seth Materials or Shirley McLain's "Out on a Limb". Yes reincarnation is an age-old topic, but it was brought into "Pop" culture by those books and Barks brought it into his writings long before either one. There's voodoo and a many more esoteric topics that are used in his works.

If you want to talk about Barks, please take the time to read his work first.

Geo

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Olaf Solstrand
Kriton:
> > As for the Blum
> > story, I haven't read it, but if it was about
> > Donald discovering that he could download
> > music, then downloading tons of songs, despite
> > his nephews' warnings that what he was doing
> > was illegal, and finally ending up owing a
> > huge bill to McDuck Records, then I'd say he
> > was in character!
>

In my opinion, it was MORE in character than this, but as saying what would
spoil the story, I won't...

As to "World Wide Witch", I _loved_ the story. Parts of it I didn't understand
(Magica's first plan) until I read Blum's explanation in the latest "Uncle
Scrooge". Let me ask a plain question to everybody out there: Do you think it
would have been easier for me to understand the "wicca" part of the story if I
had been an American? Open question.

Sigvald:
> This is *not* only about the character's character. Downloading music from
> the internet definately countradicts Barks. Barks-style stories should IMO
> take place in the mid-1950's +/- a decade.

Please, make up your mind! "Definately" or "IMO"? There's a gap inbetween there!

> It's in that aspect this G. Blum
> IMO seems to fail in showing respect for Barks. When I say "seems to" it's
> because Egmont may have told him to do so.

I doubt they have. I say that after reading Blum's explanation to the story in
Uncle $crooge #320, where Blum explains how this is one of several stories where
he tries to pull Barks' Ducks into the twenty-first century.

Speaking of this explanation, I would have to add one comment: THANK YOU to
Gemstone for not being as narrow-sighted as Scandinavian editors when it comes
to names of creators. Now, seeing GEOFFREY BLUM writing an article like this is.
.. for me, as a Scandinavian, _amazing_. Over here, that right has been reserved
for Don Rosa for years... or at least so it seems. Don Rosa's written explaining
articles to many of his stories, and when seeing that Gemstone also prints such
articles from OTHER creators... Wow. No offense to Rosa, but I'm getting
terribly tired of all the "Don Rosa is the only Duck creator worth reading" yabb
going on over here! As Blum is a creator I don't know much of, it was thrilling
to read this article on how "World Wide Witch" was made. Now I wait in
excitement for the next Uncle $crooge, to see what exciting article can be found
there (if any - I was a little disappointed to not find any in WDC&S #634, but..
.)

Olaf the Blue
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Hi all!

For the third time (or is it even more) this year the COA data-base is down.
We all know that s**t happens from time to time, but now I think that most
of us can agree that COA has had more than it's share of that. Thus it's IMO
time to halt and start discussing how to prevent such problems in the
future. My friendly suggestion is that someone should create a mirror-site -
perhaps Thomas could have one server in Aalborg and one in Kolding as the
errors seems to have a preference to occur whenever he has gone to the place
where he does not have his server.

I know that having two servers is an economic question, thus if anyone have
plans about sponsoring this great project they should do so soon - not wait
until hell freezes down.

FYI: I want you to know that our friend Thomas should *not* be blamed for
all the COA-problems. From what I have heard unserious WEB-providers, evil
viruses and maybe old hardware only are to blame.

FYI2: The reason I show this interest for COA is that I am about to complete
a new Norwegian/American Don Rosa printed index (v. 4.0). This means that I
need a complete list of US Rosa-publications ? and for that I need COA. All
the COA-troubles this year have unfortunately delayed the publication of
this index.

Sigvald