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> 1. Re: What old stories do YOU want to see in print again? (Alecto)
> 2. SV: Question for Sigvald (Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr.)
> 3. Olaf: Norwegian pockets series (M.J. Prior)
> 4. Olaf: "Topolino Noir" (M.J. Prior)
> 5. Re: Olaf: "Topolino Noir" (Stefan Persson)
> 6. Olaf, Michiel: Topolino Noirway (Ole R Nielsen)
> 7. "Business Long Overdue" and other Barks oils (Katie Sullivan)
> 8. Barks Consistency (and consistency in general) (Danehog at aol.com)
> 9. Scrooge's Fortune Calculation (Danehog at aol.com)
> 10. Gemstone Publicity (Danehog at aol.com)
> 11. Re: Question for Sigvald - Walt Kelly (Olivier)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 01:21:52 +1000
> From: Alecto <alecto at goulburn.net.au>
> Subject: Re: What old stories do YOU want to see in print again?
> To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
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> My short list of Barks favourites, in no particular order -
>
> 1. Donald's Monster Kite.
> 2. Tralla La
> 3. Billions to Sneeze At
> 4. The Seven Cities of Cibola
> 5. Flip Decision
> 6. Gladstone's Terrible Secret
> 7. Stranger than Fiction
> 8. A Cold Bargain
> 9. Somethin' Fishy Here
> 10.The Purloined Putty
> 11.Bee Bumbles
> 12.A Stone's Throw From Ghost Town
>
>
> Tony
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:50:43 +0200
> From: "Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr." <sigvald at duckburg.dk>
> Subject: SV: Question for Sigvald
> To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
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> Steve <SBHSN at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Regarding your recent Google-rankings of
>> various Disney artists (regardless of
>> statistical validity it was an interesting
>> exercise), were you surprised at the high
>> hit-count of Walt Kelley?
>
> No not at all! From the previous debate at DCML I learned that he is
> not
> well known for what he once did for Disney, but because he did promote
> himself by doing this non-Disney Pogo-stuff.
>
> It would be as if the Asterix-creaor Uderzo started doing
> Disney-stories
> now.
>
> Sigvald
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:57:26 +0200
> From: "M.J. Prior" <M.J.Prior at student.rug.nl>
> Subject: Olaf: Norwegian pockets series
> To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
> Message-ID: <web-8487070 at mail.rug.nl>
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>
> I guess now I've really said something stupid. Relax,
> Olaf, please don't be upset: I don't now the slightest bit
> about the Norwegian comics situation and yes, I've used
> Inducks to look up the stories in the book I've read, in
> order to see if they had been published in Norway and I
> didn't know that the Norwegian pockets series weren't
> indexed.
>
> "Topolino Noir" is an Italian *book* comprising ten
> Mouse-universe stories, written by Tito Faraci and drawn
> by various Italian artists (Mottura, Cavazzano, Ziche, De
> Vita, Scarpa, Celoni, Mastantonuo). I don't think it will
> be published in this form outside Italy, but most of the
> stories in it have been published in the Dutch and
> Scandinavian pockets series (and now I understand this
> must indeed include Norway). [I suspected the contents of
> these series to be the same for every country and that's
> why I tried to suggest some stories to Sigvald.]
>
>> And, are you saying that NO NINETIES' ITALIAN MICKEY
>> STORIES have been printed in Norway?
>
> No, of course not. I wanted to recommend the stories I've
> read, but I couldn't find their Norwegian publication and
> that's why I asked if Sigvald had read any Italian Mickey
> stories, because he only wrote about Italian Duck stories.
>
> Maybe the Swedish pockets series is roughly equivalent to
> the Norwegian series? Would you be able to find these
> stories if I listed their Swedish publication?
>
> Michiel Prior.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:24:44 +0200
> From: "M.J. Prior" <M.J.Prior at student.rug.nl>
> Subject: Olaf: "Topolino Noir"
> To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
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> Look!
> http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/dcml/issue/it/TNOIR+1
>
> I TL 2227-5 (P? fel sida!) KAP 235
> I TL 2147-1 (L?ng natt f?r kommissarie Klov?n) KAP 212
> I TL 2196-1 (P? spaning efter tomten) KAGJ 4
> I TL 2296-1 (Geniet i skuggan) J 2000-08
> I TL 2189-1 (Den otrolige Vladimir) KAP 224
> I TL 2238-4 (Svarte Petter som polis) J 1999-06
> I TL 2243-1 (Tidens flod) KAP 239
>
> Olaf: I tried to list the stories from "Topolino Noir" for
> as far as they've been published in Sweden. I don't know
> if this could be of any use to you, especially since I
> could easily have let you look it up yourself, but well,
> here's my list. I especially recommend the last two
> stories.
>
> Michiel Prior.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:35:13 +0200
> From: "Stefan Persson" <reimersholme at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Olaf: "Topolino Noir"
> To: M.J.Prior at student.rug.nl, dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
> Message-ID: <BAY2-F137M9wGmAf0Mj000007b6 at hotmail.com>
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>> From: "M.J. Prior" <M.J.Prior at student.rug.nl>
>> To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>> Subject: Olaf: "Topolino Noir"
>> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:24:44 +0200
>
>> Look! http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/dcml/issue/it/TNOIR+1
>
> Why are you using outdated data from Per's site instead of using COA?
> Per
> hasn't updated anything for a year, and many files are even two years
> old!
>
> Stefan
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:36:12 +0200
> From: "Ole R Nielsen" <oleroc at tdcspace.dk>
> Subject: Olaf, Michiel: Topolino Noirway
> To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
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> Olaf Solstrand:
>> What? NOW I'm baffled and confused. Not that I'm familiar with the
>> title "Topolino Noir", but if it's so popular I would have guessed it
>> would
> be
>> out in Norway... And, are you saying that NO NINETIES' ITALIAN MICKEY
> STORIES
>> have been printed in Norway?
>> Hmm... Did you use INDUCKS? If so, please note that most of the
>> Norwegian "Pocketbok"s are not indexed... so they won't be listed.
>> However,
> if
>> they're published in Sweden or Denmark, they most likely are here as
>> well.
> Are
>> they?
>
> Indeed. At least seven of these stories have been published in Danish
> pocket
> books, and presumably also in Norway. I'm not sure about the numbers,
> but
> you could look for them in DD Pockets 198, 210, 221, and 225, Onkel
> Skrue
> 1999-06, and 2000-08, and also a christmas pocket from 1998.
>
>> If not, I'm shocked. Yes, I think old Italian Mickey stories are
>> good, but
> that
>> doesn't mean I don't want new ones... So what is going on?
>
> The thing is that for a very long time, the pockets have been stuffed
> with
> duck stories and usually only one Mickey story has been allowed. And a
> couple of years ago this went and became replaced with an
> Egmont-produced
> one. Not that thay are bad at all, but it's a crying shame, that with
> the
> 100-page pockets cancelled, there is now absolutely no titles with an
> open
> slot for an Italian Mickey story in Egmont publications today.
>
>> Not to be rude, Michiel, but... PLEASE tell me you're wrong here. If
>> more
> than
>> a decade of good stories is hidden from us up here, I can't really
>> seem to
>> figure out why. So... Could it be that you have read wrong (or that
>> INDUCKS
> let
>> you down), or is the Norwegian cimic situation really that bad?
>
> As you can probably figure by (real) statistical analysis, we are
> currently
> only getting a small fraction of what appears in Italian publications,
> week
> in and week out, and not necessarily the most exciting bits: the Egmont
> pocket books seem to rumble along in a very conservative manner, with
> little
> room for experiments. Most sadly, it would appear that Gemstone's
> Take-Along
> books are limited to taking material from these. It will be
> interesting to
> see how the response to readers' requests will be, compared to the old
> Gladstone days.
>
> Michiel made only a small, but all to common logical error these days:
> Assuming that unsuccesful research proves something not to exist. In
> this
> case, not due to lack of diligence in searching, but incomplete inducks
> data. Let that be a lesson to you all.
>
>
> It is ironical under these circumstances to repeat my challenge: can
> anyone
> find a Barks reference placing Scrooge's birth or childhood in
> Scotland?
>
> -- Ole
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:47:28 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Katie Sullivan <vazali at yahoo.com>
> Subject: "Business Long Overdue" and other Barks oils
> To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
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> Daniel wrote:
>> I like "Business Long Overdue" (75-15) very much.
>> http://www.sullivanet.com/duckburg/barksoils/reunionoil.jpg
>> It's one of my most favourite Barks paintings.
>
> Mine too! I have a print of it framed over the bureau in my
> bedroom! ^_^
> (I also have a print of "Nobody's Spending Fool" above my bed!,
> right below the "Hearts of the Yukon" lithograph that came with
> my Gladstone Lo$ album. ;)
>
> This sounds like a good topic for others to add to. What if any
> Disney comic art do you have permanently displayed in your house
> or office?
>
>
> Katie Sullivan
> http://www.sullivanet.com/
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:51:32 -0400
> From: Danehog at aol.com
> Subject: Barks Consistency (and consistency in general)
> To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
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> Nils wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> Did that make any sense at all? If not, I'm sorry. It's
>> late but I just
>> had to get this off my chest.
>
> Actually, it made *perfect* sense, thanks! It's exactly what I was
> trying to say with some of my earlier, badly-written, half-baked
> contributions. (Using a period instead of a question mark? Writing
> "factuation" instead of "infactuation?" What is happening to me?)
>
> These are *comic books*... *Disney* comic books. The inconsistencies
> are part of the fun--an open-ended fun that should be interpreted in
> various ways. I don't see why everything has to have such a strict
> continuity when there really isn't a true *reason* to. Barks molded
> and shaped his Duck "universe" (I'm really, really getting sick of
> that word) as he went along, and there's no reason why artists can't
> go in the directions they wish to--and contradict them!
>
> I know this topic has been beaten to death by a large mallet, and I'm
> not helping, but I didn't want to interfere with the Mallet Universe,
> because it was established that all mallets are round instead of
> square, and I thought they were square, and Fawn Losa wanted to base
> his round mallet vision off the round mallet vision of the original
> creator. I hope no one was deeply offended.
> --
> Dane
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:56:05 -0400
> From: Danehog at aol.com
> Subject: Scrooge's Fortune Calculation
> To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
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> Sigvald wrote:
>
>> Hi all!
>>
>> I just recieved he following very interesting mail in my
>> Yahoo-mail box:
>
> [snip]
>
> Is it just me, or have I seen something very similiar to this in an
> old letter column? Anyway, although this makes absolutely no sense to
> me because math is the spawn of Satan himself, I can appreciate the
> time and effort put into such calculations, although the entire idea
> that someone would sit down and figure out such a thing kind of scares
> me.
>
> Still, I'm all for bizarre calculations and whatnot.
>
> The real question is: how many times did Donald mentally and
> physically abuse Huey, Duey, and Louie before 1951?
> --
> Dane
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 14:11:01 -0400
> From: Danehog at aol.com
> Subject: Gemstone Publicity
> To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
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>
> John Lustig wrote:
>
>> Recently, there was a very nice article in the Canadian Post
>> newspaper about the return of Disney Comics to North America. Both
>> Steve Geppi and William Van Horn. You can read it at:
>>
>> http://www.nationalpost.com/artslife/story.html?id=BC47AB52-
>> 1C9D-48C8-B6A8-4381A9192CD9
>
> Great! It's nice to see that *some* effort is being put out to
> advertise the new Gemstone books, although I really wish Disney itself
> could have done *something* to advertise the comics, such as placing
> posters and/or free brochures in the Disney Store.
>
> Still, it's nice to see newspaper articles such as the one you
> mentioned. Thanks for sharing it!
> --
> Dane
>
> (I apologize if this message happened to show up twice. I'm
> temporarily using a Web site-based e-mail system that's... unreliable,
> to say the least, while I'm at my grandparents'.)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:23:14 +0200
> From: "Olivier" <mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr>
> Subject: Re: Question for Sigvald - Walt Kelly
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> Hi!
>
>>>> No not at all! From the previous debate at DCML I learned that he
>>>> is not
>>>> well known for what he once did for Disney, but because he did
>>>> promote
>>>> himself by doing this non-Disney Pogo-stuff.
>
> a/ Kelly did draw many covers for the Disney comics
> b/ Kelly did not "promote himself" any more than Barks or Gottfredson
> or
> anyone did
> c/ please don't use such phrases as "this non-Disney Pogo-Stuff": it
> is very
> disparaging. Like Gottfredson's mouse and Barks' ducks, and to an even
> greater extent actually, Pogo was not dumb funny animal comics "stuff"
>
>
>>>> It would be as if the Asterix-creaor Uderzo started doing
>>>> Disney-stories
> now.
>
> Nope. Kelly didn't make such drastic a change; like Barks' DD & U$,
> Pogo was
> an excellent strip with characters that happened to be animals instead
> of
> humans (to paraphrase a well-known duck author/artist).
>
>
> As I've said previously, try and find some Pogo strips (in a library?
> on the
> web?): you will discover an immense comic strip author/artist and find
> a new
> source of joy.
>
>
> Olivier
>
>
>
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>To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Subject: Re: DCML Digest, Vol 6, Issue 49
>Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:58:48 -0700
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>On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 11:23 AM, dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se wrote:
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>>Send DCML mailing list submissions to
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Please do not send complete digests to DCML. If you want to answer a mail,
try to quote as little as possible of the original mail.

Stefan

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You use Outlook Express to access newsgroups, just open it and select "read
news", it will pull in a complete list of news group the first time which might
take a while depending on your connection, once all the groups are in you need
to find the group "alt.binaries.pictures.comics" and subscribe to it. If the
binary newsgroups are not offered by your IP's news server you will have to join
an external one, I recommend "www.easynews.com", it's costs us$10 per month/6
Gigs.

Tony

How do you visit / subscribe to a newsgroup, please?
And I've just only noticed your name was actually Tony: sorry for the
confusion.

Olivier.

Hi everyone,

It's been pointed out recently that copyright has expired on early Disney
work and that theoretically that means that they're free to use. I'm no
expert on this, but my understanding is that in addition to the copyright
protection, all of the different cartoon characters owned by Disney have
been trademarked, which is something that does not expire as long as Disney
uses those trademarks (characters) occasionally and they are still
recognised and identifiable within their respective trademark category.

Interestingly, Disney does not add a date tag to any claim of copyright like
you see in most books. Instead you will only see the copyright symbol and
next to it the word DISNEY. I guess this puts the onus of proof of expiry
of copyright on the 'infringer', a smart move.

regards
Shaun Craill

In a message dated 8/27/2003 12:07:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
scraill at methven.net writes:
It's been pointed out recently that copyright has expired on early Disney
work and that theoretically that means that they're free to use.
i sure missed that - as most of the Disney material has NOT expired in the
usa, only a few animated shorts, a small time of the MM newspaper strip (which
disney claims is covered by the copyright on "Plane Crazy'), etc.

the joksters in the usa dont call the copyright extention act "the mickey
mouse protection law" for nothin!

SR

Hi everyone!

Poul:

>>>Thank you very much Harry for submitting the MM Dailies text I did a few years back. There are a couple of statements
>>>that Horst Schroeder later requested altered (he *did* realize that he bought the MM rights and other minor stuff).

Does this mean you have a corrected version of this History? It was very intriguing, and a great research! thanks to you, and to Harry for sharing!

>>>It was originally my intention to forward the text to anyone who could include it in a suitable place (e.g. the text on
>>Gottfredson on DCML). Anyone interested can nick it. Main thing (to me) is that the info is there for whoever is >>>interested.

I'd gladly include it on my site, if you wish.

Here's something to add-- when Schroder explains that:
"The response to MM was very good, esp. in the USA. However, this proved to be my undoing. An ad in Comics Journal or Buyer's Guide came to Disney Burbank's attention, and they came down upon me like a ton of bricks."

When I was doing my DEA dissertation (that's right before the PhD) on Barks, I got in touch with Geoffrey Blum (among many great people), who kindly sent me a bunch of photocopies.
He included copies of a Barks interview conducted by Malcolm Willits and Don & Maggie Thompson (Feb '62), reprinted in "The Duckburg Times" # 10-11 (March 27, 1981).
Right after the interview, in the "Disneydom" section (p 20), is are an announcement for the to-be published Uncle Scrooge book by Celestial Arts, and one for "Panels" #2 (Special Carl Barks issue)-- and this...

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Swedish fan Horst Schroder is going to reprint the complete run of the Mickey Mouse daily comic strips by Floyd Gottfredson from 1930 o 1955 in 26 volumes, in b/w from (mainly) the original English proofs, 104 pages per volume (156 for the 1930, 31 books), stapled-wraparound cover, 8 1/2 * 11 5/8, 3 strips per page (2 per for the 1931 [sic], 31 volumes), print run limited to number pre-ordered-rounded up to nearest 100 (ie 157 ordered, 200 printed), all copies numbered, published in 2 volume sets (early and late years) hopefully one set per month, but possible delays due to proof availability, price depend on print run; of 200-300 $37.50 (1930, 31 $47.50), if 100-200 $47.50 ($54.50 for 1930, 31)-- if less than 100 copies then *no* book, so your order may determine if it si printed, prices include airmail postage, you order 2 sets at a time (4 volumes), automatically extended if not cancelled, may quit after 2 sets and later rejoin-- but little chance of getting prior volumes, first two sets (1930+1947?) and (1931, 1946?) out May/June 1981, last set (hopefully) Autumn 1982. Dealer rates-multiples of 5 copies, 40% off cover+postage, terms arrangable. To order first set send by April 15th send no money, but 4 address stickers with you address, one SASE (international coupon or 40 cents Airmail stamps), state whether want book oblong or upright (turn book sideways to read)-- must abide by majority decision, if don't want books if less than 200 orders, if under 18 need parent signature, notified if too few orders, payment for books upon receipt. Hordst Schroder, [address], Sweden.
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Does anybody know someone who could get in touch with Roy Disney and ask him to let Gemstone do a complete Gottfredson Library (dailies & Sundays) (and a Taliaferro Library, while they're at it)?
It may have just been rumor, but I remember reading, when the first Disney Treasures DVD were released, that Roy was the one to thank for the shorts being unedited.

Olivier

In a message dated 8/27/2003 8:43:38 AM Pacific Standard Time, Shaun Craill
writes:

> in addition to the copyright protection, all of the different cartoon
> characters owned by Disney have been trademarked, which is something that does not
> expire as long as Disney uses those trademarks (characters) occasionally and
> they are still recognised and identifiable within their respective trademark
> category.

I think you're right, Shaun. Another interpretation of the rules could be
that you'd be able to use any material that's out of copyright and in the public
domain as long as you don't show the character. So I guess you could go
through all the old strips and white out the Disney character and, unless Disney has
trademarked the backgrounds, you'd be safe. Maybe.

<< Disney does not add a date tag to any claim of copyright like you see in
most books.? << Instead you will only see the copyright symbol and next to it
the word DISNEY.

Which makes it a real problem when you're trying to find a date for
historical accuracy.

Bob Foster