Sigvald:
> Then I have been misunderstood. It's not Blums' person I have cristisized,
"Or it again proofs his (IMO) lack of respect for other artists, Barks
included."
Sadly, your original posting was not shown to be "not critizing Blum's
person". Since English is not the majority of DCMLers' 1st language,
selecting what to write and the many meanings behind any words we write,
that should teach us to write with the clearest sentences and replies, not
meant to confuse anyone.
If the original intention is like u said, Sigvald (not critizing Blum's
person), then i'd say you've chosen contradictive original reply to show it.
> only his style and his policy towards my idols Barks and Rosa. And please
> let me add that my reactions is based upon the way his story about the
dime
> was presented in DD&Co last year, and the fact that he accidentaly or
> delibratly *ignored* Ms Quackfasters first name that was first mentioned
by
> Don Rosa. As I have told you before Blum had easy access to I.N.D.U.C.K.S.
> and should IMO have found this name. The situation was different 11-13
years
> ago when DR needed the name for $crooges grandfather. That's why I don't
> blame Don for that mistake. Still I judge both DR and Blum by the same
> standards. Furthermore I have already, as you probably know, accepted to
> read ACs articles conserning Blum - that may change my views.
As Don Rosa himself has chosen to "ignore" characters made by some other
artists (Oona, Rumpus, etc) to be put in his stories, i find it no wrong
that some other Disney comic artists chose not to use some of Rosa's duck
facts.
People will either like it, dislike it, or simply ignore it and read the
story. I, for one, doesnt gave too much fuss about that name. If Blum can be
said to have lack of respect because of the Quackfaster's name, then Don
could easily be equally blamed as lacking respet to Barks for "improving"
(changing) some of Barks' duck facts to be made logical for the Lo$ series.
Blum is NOT obligated to use any of Barks/Rosa facts and neither does Don is
obligated to use any of VanHorn's/Jippes characters/stories to be put in
Don's stories.
I;m not good with English but i hope you get my point, Sigvald. I dont rate
the Blum's story high but i certainly dont think he lacks respect to Barks
or deserved anything to be said that he lacks respect. Lack of respect had
nothing to with the Quackfaster's name.
btw I like the quote of article you posted, Timo. Never knew about it.
Thanks for sharing it. It's about time a quality posting like that showed up
around here when most DCMLians seemed to have turned themselves into the
"happy" people of Brutopia.
Keep On Quacking,
Arie Fachrisal who doesnt want to be part of happy people of Brutopia coz he
still likes ice-cream.
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Arie Fachrisal
DCML Digest, Vol 6, Issue 29
Message 286 -
2003-08-13 at 21:46:47
Mas
Contra Dancing
Message 287 -
2003-08-13 at 21:50:46
Sigvald writes:
>Elvis Presley did what was modern music from the 1950's until the 1970's.
>What many of you here seems to say, is that if someone had access to some
>old lyrics written by Elvis, that had never previously been used in any
>song, some modern artist could use those lyrics in a modern (2003) hip-hop
>context and still claim to be honest and respectful towards Elvis.
That's right, and what's more, it's already been done. The hip-hop remix
of "A Little Less Conversation" was a #1 hit single. The video is at
http://www.elvis.com/news/jxl_video.asp and a second hip-hop remix of an
old Elvis tune is coming out this October.
But I still don't see how this "old lyrics" argument applies to "World Wide
Witch." I was under the impression that Blum was using his own ideas for
this story, not old notes made by Carl Barks.
> >
> >> What has this Archie to do with Poirot or
> >> Ms Marple who was used in my example?
> >
> > What has Poirot or Ms Marple to do with
> > Carl Barks?
>
>I just wanted to use Agatha Christie as an other example of an old master -
>just like Barks.
I see. Well, at least Archie is a comic book, and one intended for kids at
that. My point is that kid's comics change as the times change.
>Have you run out of contra-arguments now?
Is that a form of contra dancing? Maybe they'll play an Elvis tune...
- Mark S.
>Elvis Presley did what was modern music from the 1950's until the 1970's.
>What many of you here seems to say, is that if someone had access to some
>old lyrics written by Elvis, that had never previously been used in any
>song, some modern artist could use those lyrics in a modern (2003) hip-hop
>context and still claim to be honest and respectful towards Elvis.
That's right, and what's more, it's already been done. The hip-hop remix
of "A Little Less Conversation" was a #1 hit single. The video is at
http://www.elvis.com/news/jxl_video.asp and a second hip-hop remix of an
old Elvis tune is coming out this October.
But I still don't see how this "old lyrics" argument applies to "World Wide
Witch." I was under the impression that Blum was using his own ideas for
this story, not old notes made by Carl Barks.
> >
> >> What has this Archie to do with Poirot or
> >> Ms Marple who was used in my example?
> >
> > What has Poirot or Ms Marple to do with
> > Carl Barks?
>
>I just wanted to use Agatha Christie as an other example of an old master -
>just like Barks.
I see. Well, at least Archie is a comic book, and one intended for kids at
that. My point is that kid's comics change as the times change.
>Have you run out of contra-arguments now?
Is that a form of contra dancing? Maybe they'll play an Elvis tune...
- Mark S.
Ari Seppi
The "Pete" Proposition
Message 288 -
2003-08-13 at 21:55:40
Rich:
>However, I'm willing to bet that such detail COULD be constructed around
>such a
>character as Pete! Sure, Pete's history definitely weaves into Mickey's,
>but, so
>does Scrooge's into Donald's. So, I wonder if such an intricate detailing
>of the
>Life & Times of Pete could also be accomplished and hence turn a relatively
>unpopular character into one of Disney's bigger stars,
At first the idea seemed strange. A long series like that around the
character of Pete? Pete just didn't sound interesting enough for that.
But the more I think about it, the better it sounds. I think I really would
like to read that kind of series.
>Plus his life is full of
>failures, which makes him the extreme opposite karmically to Scrooge, but
>probably
>makes him much more "human" and identifiable to readers than Scrooge does.
Indeed, that kind of failing is somehow interesting - sympathetic.
>What do you think of such an endeavor. Would a series featuring Pete be
>marketable if approached in this manner?
It could be. If the idea was properly used with ongoing tension through
the series, it shouldn't (mustn't) fail.
--
Ari Seppi (ari.seppi at iki.fi)
http://www.iki.fi/mani/
>However, I'm willing to bet that such detail COULD be constructed around
>such a
>character as Pete! Sure, Pete's history definitely weaves into Mickey's,
>but, so
>does Scrooge's into Donald's. So, I wonder if such an intricate detailing
>of the
>Life & Times of Pete could also be accomplished and hence turn a relatively
>unpopular character into one of Disney's bigger stars,
At first the idea seemed strange. A long series like that around the
character of Pete? Pete just didn't sound interesting enough for that.
But the more I think about it, the better it sounds. I think I really would
like to read that kind of series.
>Plus his life is full of
>failures, which makes him the extreme opposite karmically to Scrooge, but
>probably
>makes him much more "human" and identifiable to readers than Scrooge does.
Indeed, that kind of failing is somehow interesting - sympathetic.
>What do you think of such an endeavor. Would a series featuring Pete be
>marketable if approached in this manner?
It could be. If the idea was properly used with ongoing tension through
the series, it shouldn't (mustn't) fail.
--
Ari Seppi (ari.seppi at iki.fi)
http://www.iki.fi/mani/
Danehog
More on Character Consistency
Message 289 -
2003-08-13 at 22:04:27
Dani?l wrote:
> >As long as the characters adhere to the basic character traits that
> >they were assigned, it's okay to stray from the Barks (or Gottfredson
> >in the case of mice) ways.
>
> I find it enjoyable when characters temporary go out-of-character, as
> part of a (good) story plot.
>
> For example:
> - Gladstone having bad luck
> - Donald being a millionaire
> - Scrooge being bankrupt
But, to me, this isn't "going out of character." To me, such examples are
being confronted with *plot* differences, as opposed to differences that effect
the actual characters. Would Scrooge react apathetically if he went bankrupt?
Would Donald save his money if he became a millionaire?
--
Dane
> >As long as the characters adhere to the basic character traits that
> >they were assigned, it's okay to stray from the Barks (or Gottfredson
> >in the case of mice) ways.
>
> I find it enjoyable when characters temporary go out-of-character, as
> part of a (good) story plot.
>
> For example:
> - Gladstone having bad luck
> - Donald being a millionaire
> - Scrooge being bankrupt
But, to me, this isn't "going out of character." To me, such examples are
being confronted with *plot* differences, as opposed to differences that effect
the actual characters. Would Scrooge react apathetically if he went bankrupt?
Would Donald save his money if he became a millionaire?
--
Dane
Fabio Blanco
Contra Dancing
Message 290 -
2003-08-13 at 22:11:45
Hip hop is not music. Elvis is the King.
If Barks is Elvis, Don Rosa is at least, The Beatles.
By the way, who is Geoff Blum?
FABIO
bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar
If Barks is Elvis, Don Rosa is at least, The Beatles.
By the way, who is Geoff Blum?
FABIO
bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar
Danehog
A Long Pete Story Arc?
Message 291 -
2003-08-13 at 22:13:43
Ari Seppi wrote:
> At first the idea seemed strange. A long series like that around the
> character of Pete? Pete just didn't sound interesting enough for that.
>
> But the more I think about it, the better it sounds. I think I really would
> like to read that kind of series.
I'm still a bit skeptible. Although it sounds intriguing, I don't think I'd
like for it to be very long, or as much of a "full-length epic" as LaToSM. It
would probably be suitable in six-to-ten page installments in the back of a
magazine, rather than the actual showcase.
I suppose this is the part where I should run.
--
Dane
> At first the idea seemed strange. A long series like that around the
> character of Pete? Pete just didn't sound interesting enough for that.
>
> But the more I think about it, the better it sounds. I think I really would
> like to read that kind of series.
I'm still a bit skeptible. Although it sounds intriguing, I don't think I'd
like for it to be very long, or as much of a "full-length epic" as LaToSM. It
would probably be suitable in six-to-ten page installments in the back of a
magazine, rather than the actual showcase.
I suppose this is the part where I should run.
--
Dane
Frank Bubacz
Pete in Barks
Message 292 -
2003-08-13 at 22:14:11
Rich wrote:
Donald Duck Finds Pirate Gold
The Mummy's Ring (W OS 29-01)
Frozen Gold (W OS 62-02)
The Inventors' Contest (W US 28-02)
Rival Boatmen (W WDC 45-02)
The Great Duckburg Frog-Jumping Contest (W WDC 108-02)
Trombone Trouble (XFC ALP 4G)
Northwest Mounted (XFC ALP 4H)
I'm not too sure if that's Pete in WDC 108, but you can add these to the
list:
The Riddle Of The Red Hat (FC 79)
Attic Antics (aka Welcome Guests) (WDC 132)
Log Jockey (WDC 267) (Pete is called Pierre here as in the cartoon
"Timber!".)
Only the last comic was written by Barks, though.
Frank
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Donald Duck Finds Pirate Gold
The Mummy's Ring (W OS 29-01)
Frozen Gold (W OS 62-02)
The Inventors' Contest (W US 28-02)
Rival Boatmen (W WDC 45-02)
The Great Duckburg Frog-Jumping Contest (W WDC 108-02)
Trombone Trouble (XFC ALP 4G)
Northwest Mounted (XFC ALP 4H)
I'm not too sure if that's Pete in WDC 108, but you can add these to the
list:
The Riddle Of The Red Hat (FC 79)
Attic Antics (aka Welcome Guests) (WDC 132)
Log Jockey (WDC 267) (Pete is called Pierre here as in the cartoon
"Timber!".)
Only the last comic was written by Barks, though.
Frank
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Danehog
Barks-written Pete
Message 293 -
2003-08-13 at 22:18:38
Rich Bellacera wrote:
>Anyhow, I did a quick search in INDUCKS and here's a list of stories
>written by
>Barks featuring Pete:
>
>The Mummy's Ring (W OS 29-01)
>Frozen Gold (W OS 62-02)
>The Inventors' Contest (W US 28-02)
>Rival Boatmen (W WDC 45-02)
>The Great Duckburg Frog-Jumping Contest (W WDC 108-02)
>Trombone Trouble (XFC ALP 4G)
>Northwest Mounted (XFC ALP 4H)
And isn't Neighbor Jones, in essense, as about as close to Pete as you can
get without *being* Pete? It didn't help at all when Pete went suburban in "Goof
Troop."
Just a thought.
Thanks for posting the list, by the way. I *thought* I remembered Pete being
in "Frozen Gold."
--
Dane
>Anyhow, I did a quick search in INDUCKS and here's a list of stories
>written by
>Barks featuring Pete:
>
>The Mummy's Ring (W OS 29-01)
>Frozen Gold (W OS 62-02)
>The Inventors' Contest (W US 28-02)
>Rival Boatmen (W WDC 45-02)
>The Great Duckburg Frog-Jumping Contest (W WDC 108-02)
>Trombone Trouble (XFC ALP 4G)
>Northwest Mounted (XFC ALP 4H)
And isn't Neighbor Jones, in essense, as about as close to Pete as you can
get without *being* Pete? It didn't help at all when Pete went suburban in "Goof
Troop."
Just a thought.
Thanks for posting the list, by the way. I *thought* I remembered Pete being
in "Frozen Gold."
--
Dane
Katie Sullivan
Pete and chipmunks
Message 294 -
2003-08-13 at 22:46:53
Rich, thanks for the info about Pete in Barks stories! I
figured such a central Disney character had to have popped up in
Barks somwhere, but I couldn't think of a specific example. Is
Pete actually NAMED in those stories, though, or does he just
look like himself?
BTW, I happened to be reading WDC&S #495 this afternoon and I
noticed a story with Chip and Dale's grandfather and nephews. I
didn't remember seeing them in your Hoo Zoo website before, so I
looked them up. You have grandma chipmunk in there, but Chip
and Dale's nephews are listed as "Zip and Zap." No doubt they
did appear under those names at one time, but in the version I
have in front of me they're called "Chit 'n' Chat." Also, I see
you don't have pictures of these three characters on your site.
If you need some scans, let me know. :)
Katie Sullivan
http://www.sullivanet.com/
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figured such a central Disney character had to have popped up in
Barks somwhere, but I couldn't think of a specific example. Is
Pete actually NAMED in those stories, though, or does he just
look like himself?
BTW, I happened to be reading WDC&S #495 this afternoon and I
noticed a story with Chip and Dale's grandfather and nephews. I
didn't remember seeing them in your Hoo Zoo website before, so I
looked them up. You have grandma chipmunk in there, but Chip
and Dale's nephews are listed as "Zip and Zap." No doubt they
did appear under those names at one time, but in the version I
have in front of me they're called "Chit 'n' Chat." Also, I see
you don't have pictures of these three characters on your site.
If you need some scans, let me know. :)
Katie Sullivan
http://www.sullivanet.com/
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Rich Bellacera
Pete and chipmunks
Message 295 -
2003-08-13 at 22:58:10
Katie:
> Rich, thanks for the info about Pete in Barks stories!
Bu Ke Qi... errr, No problem... (just finished having lunch and practicing the
Chinese I learned with my Asian co-workers...) :-)
> Is Pete actually NAMED in those stories, though,
> or does he just look like himself?
Well, not having any of those stories accessible at this time, I still wouldn't
doubt he did indeed use pseudonyms in at least some stories.
That brings up a GREAT point! Pete is notorious for pretending to be someone
else. This is one of the aspects of his character I'd love to see explored.
Oddly, when he changes his name, he rarely changes his appearance (though he does
that as well). And he also went from being peg-legged to not being peg-legged...
there's a mystery to explain. :-) But, back to his name, he often took on names
similar to his own, though he did take on ones that were very different as well,
but he was ALWAYS in-character for "Pete" and was often accompanied by his partner
(s)-in-crime who, while also looking the same or similar in each tale, they, too,
had inconsistant names. This was a trademark, if you will, of Pete's
criminal "modus operandi." He often tried to pull the name change on Mickey &
Goofy in Mouse & Goof stories, too. Pete was also a Jack-of-all-trades, or a
pretender to such occupations, so name-changes would make perfect sense. Could
have been a cover since he was always wanted by the law for one reason or another.
LOL!
About Chip'n Dale, yah, there's apparently two sets of names for the twin
nephews. The INDUCKS lists Chit'n Chat, but the only story I have seen so far
quotes their names as Zip'n Zap. I have scans of several Chipmonk relations, but
I can ALWAYS use sources for more scans. Thank you for the offer.
Thanks,
Rich Bellacera
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> Rich, thanks for the info about Pete in Barks stories!
Bu Ke Qi... errr, No problem... (just finished having lunch and practicing the
Chinese I learned with my Asian co-workers...) :-)
> Is Pete actually NAMED in those stories, though,
> or does he just look like himself?
Well, not having any of those stories accessible at this time, I still wouldn't
doubt he did indeed use pseudonyms in at least some stories.
That brings up a GREAT point! Pete is notorious for pretending to be someone
else. This is one of the aspects of his character I'd love to see explored.
Oddly, when he changes his name, he rarely changes his appearance (though he does
that as well). And he also went from being peg-legged to not being peg-legged...
there's a mystery to explain. :-) But, back to his name, he often took on names
similar to his own, though he did take on ones that were very different as well,
but he was ALWAYS in-character for "Pete" and was often accompanied by his partner
(s)-in-crime who, while also looking the same or similar in each tale, they, too,
had inconsistant names. This was a trademark, if you will, of Pete's
criminal "modus operandi." He often tried to pull the name change on Mickey &
Goofy in Mouse & Goof stories, too. Pete was also a Jack-of-all-trades, or a
pretender to such occupations, so name-changes would make perfect sense. Could
have been a cover since he was always wanted by the law for one reason or another.
LOL!
About Chip'n Dale, yah, there's apparently two sets of names for the twin
nephews. The INDUCKS lists Chit'n Chat, but the only story I have seen so far
quotes their names as Zip'n Zap. I have scans of several Chipmonk relations, but
I can ALWAYS use sources for more scans. Thank you for the offer.
Thanks,
Rich Bellacera
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Daniel Van Eijmeren
More on Character Consistency
Message 296 -
2003-08-13 at 23:18:30
DANE HOG to me, 13-08-2003:
>> I find it enjoyable when characters temporary go out-of-character, as
>> part of a (good) story plot.
>>
>> For example:
>> - Gladstone having bad luck
>> - Donald being a millionaire
>> - Scrooge being bankrupt
> But, to me, this isn't "going out of character."
Now you say, I've used the wrong wording. I meant characters being in
situations where they normally don't belong, and/or in a temporary
different state of mind or mood (like hypnose or wrong potions).
In Barks's garden party story, Daisy and the nephews misbehave as
monkeys (like drunk humans in real life?), while Donald has invited
important citizens and someone from the press among them. (WDC 91)
In the money allergy story (WDC 124), both Donald and Scrooge are in
different situations. Donald is rich, and Scrooge has temporary lost
everything. Basically, this puts them in each other's lifes. Another
such story is "Double Masquerade" (WDC 280), in which even Donald's
and Scrooge's appearances visually are exchanged. Donald looking
like Scrooge, and vice versa.
In the temper story (WDC 64), and the child psychologist story (WDC 92),
the nephews become master of Donald and his house, putting the normal
parental hierarchy completely upside down.
> To me, such examples are being confronted with *plot* differences,
> as opposed to differences that effect the actual characters. Would
> Scrooge react apathetically if he went bankrupt? Would Donald save
> his money if he became a millionaire?
That's indeed what I meant. And such "plot differences" also have
resemblances with real life, which is what makes them interesting
for me. (How does someone react to different situations, etc.)
--- Dani?l
>> I find it enjoyable when characters temporary go out-of-character, as
>> part of a (good) story plot.
>>
>> For example:
>> - Gladstone having bad luck
>> - Donald being a millionaire
>> - Scrooge being bankrupt
> But, to me, this isn't "going out of character."
Now you say, I've used the wrong wording. I meant characters being in
situations where they normally don't belong, and/or in a temporary
different state of mind or mood (like hypnose or wrong potions).
In Barks's garden party story, Daisy and the nephews misbehave as
monkeys (like drunk humans in real life?), while Donald has invited
important citizens and someone from the press among them. (WDC 91)
In the money allergy story (WDC 124), both Donald and Scrooge are in
different situations. Donald is rich, and Scrooge has temporary lost
everything. Basically, this puts them in each other's lifes. Another
such story is "Double Masquerade" (WDC 280), in which even Donald's
and Scrooge's appearances visually are exchanged. Donald looking
like Scrooge, and vice versa.
In the temper story (WDC 64), and the child psychologist story (WDC 92),
the nephews become master of Donald and his house, putting the normal
parental hierarchy completely upside down.
> To me, such examples are being confronted with *plot* differences,
> as opposed to differences that effect the actual characters. Would
> Scrooge react apathetically if he went bankrupt? Would Donald save
> his money if he became a millionaire?
That's indeed what I meant. And such "plot differences" also have
resemblances with real life, which is what makes them interesting
for me. (How does someone react to different situations, etc.)
--- Dani?l
Don Rosa
DCML Digest Issue 15
Message 297 -
2003-08-14 at 01:02:46
From: "Fabio Blanco" <longtom at oeste.com.ar>
Subject: le mine du allemand perdu
>>>Hey, I was enjoyed the comic and the Don Rosa article about The Lost
Duchtman's mine. Hey Don, I think you'll would make some reference to the
Moebiu's Lt. Blueberry adventure with the same title and theme. I think that
you mention sometimes... I'm wrong?
Well, I think the editors wanted me to write only about my own story in that
text -- their space was limited. Otherwise I would have written at length
about the excellent 1949 Glenn Ford movie LUST FOR GOLD which was a very
entertaining story based on 100% accurate facts about the Lost Dutchman's
Mine, just as I attempted. But as to the Moebius BLUEBERRY "Lost Dutchman's
Mine" story, I would have been risking the usual wild misinterpretations
that are so prevalent (as you see!) if I'd said anything about it -- I
worship Moebius' western works and often refer to them for authentic visual
details when doing wild-western stories like that one and "The Three
Caballeros Ride Again". But I am quite puzzled by that "Lost Dutchman's
Mine" story by Moebius as it contains nothing in it that has any similarity
to any of the actual facts or legends of that famous American legend (other
than it taking place, I believe, in Arizona). I wonder if "Lost Dutchman's
Mine" is even the title of that story in Europe -- perhaps that was only the
title chosen by the American translators? I wouldn't expect a European
reader to recognize the name "Lost Dutchman's Mine", so I would wonder why
the authors would even want to use it, especially when the story had nothing
to do with the actual Mine. Nonetheless, Moebius' story was still superb!
Subject: le mine du allemand perdu
>>>Hey, I was enjoyed the comic and the Don Rosa article about The Lost
Duchtman's mine. Hey Don, I think you'll would make some reference to the
Moebiu's Lt. Blueberry adventure with the same title and theme. I think that
you mention sometimes... I'm wrong?
Well, I think the editors wanted me to write only about my own story in that
text -- their space was limited. Otherwise I would have written at length
about the excellent 1949 Glenn Ford movie LUST FOR GOLD which was a very
entertaining story based on 100% accurate facts about the Lost Dutchman's
Mine, just as I attempted. But as to the Moebius BLUEBERRY "Lost Dutchman's
Mine" story, I would have been risking the usual wild misinterpretations
that are so prevalent (as you see!) if I'd said anything about it -- I
worship Moebius' western works and often refer to them for authentic visual
details when doing wild-western stories like that one and "The Three
Caballeros Ride Again". But I am quite puzzled by that "Lost Dutchman's
Mine" story by Moebius as it contains nothing in it that has any similarity
to any of the actual facts or legends of that famous American legend (other
than it taking place, I believe, in Arizona). I wonder if "Lost Dutchman's
Mine" is even the title of that story in Europe -- perhaps that was only the
title chosen by the American translators? I wouldn't expect a European
reader to recognize the name "Lost Dutchman's Mine", so I would wonder why
the authors would even want to use it, especially when the story had nothing
to do with the actual Mine. Nonetheless, Moebius' story was still superb!
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
There are more than one cat in Disney's universes
Message 298 -
2003-08-14 at 01:31:56
Rich Bellacera wrote:
> Anyhow, I did a quick search in INDUCKS and
> here's a list of stories written by Barks
> featuring Pete:
>
> The Mummy's Ring (W OS 29-01)
> Frozen Gold (W OS 62-02)
> The Inventors' Contest (W US 28-02)
> Rival Boatmen (W WDC 45-02)
> The Great Duckburg Frog-Jumping Contest (W WDC 108-02)
> Trombone Trouble (XFC ALP 4G)
> Northwest Mounted (XFC ALP 4H)
But this must be wrong. I have read those stories and have never thought of
thuse cat-villains as the same Pete as in the stories by Gottfredson and
Murry. And AFAIK none of Barks' cat villains have ever been called "Svarte
Petter" in Norwegian translations. Obvious there are more than one cat
villain in Disney's universes.
Sigvald
> Anyhow, I did a quick search in INDUCKS and
> here's a list of stories written by Barks
> featuring Pete:
>
> The Mummy's Ring (W OS 29-01)
> Frozen Gold (W OS 62-02)
> The Inventors' Contest (W US 28-02)
> Rival Boatmen (W WDC 45-02)
> The Great Duckburg Frog-Jumping Contest (W WDC 108-02)
> Trombone Trouble (XFC ALP 4G)
> Northwest Mounted (XFC ALP 4H)
But this must be wrong. I have read those stories and have never thought of
thuse cat-villains as the same Pete as in the stories by Gottfredson and
Murry. And AFAIK none of Barks' cat villains have ever been called "Svarte
Petter" in Norwegian translations. Obvious there are more than one cat
villain in Disney's universes.
Sigvald
Gary Leach
DCML Digest, Vol 6, Issue 30
Message 299 -
2003-08-14 at 01:54:47
Katie:
> Also, that tidbit about Huey, Dewey and Louie's creation was
> very interesting! It makes sense that they were made up by a
> team of talented people intsead of just one artist, given what
> I've read about the workings of the Disney studios in those
> days.
I've often wondered if, in a civilization religiously dominated by
monotheism, it is a natural tendency for the citizens to try to find
one specific "creator" of this, that, or the other thing, rather than
consider that "creation" can sometimes be a genuine group effort.
Gary
> Also, that tidbit about Huey, Dewey and Louie's creation was
> very interesting! It makes sense that they were made up by a
> team of talented people intsead of just one artist, given what
> I've read about the workings of the Disney studios in those
> days.
I've often wondered if, in a civilization religiously dominated by
monotheism, it is a natural tendency for the citizens to try to find
one specific "creator" of this, that, or the other thing, rather than
consider that "creation" can sometimes be a genuine group effort.
Gary
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
The Lost Dutchman's Mine
Message 300 -
2003-08-14 at 02:08:43
Don Rosa <donrosa at iglou.com> wrote:
> If I'd said anything about it -- I worship
> Moebius' western works and often refer to
> them for authentic visual details when doing
> wild-western stories like that one and
> "The Three Caballeros Ride Again".
Moebius? Who's that, Charlier or Giraud?
Anyway I agree with you that Blueberry is great comics. First time I read
Blueberry was back in 1976.
> I wonder if "Lost Dutchman's Mine" is even the
> title of that story in Europe -- perhaps that
> was only the title chosen by the American
> translators?
I can only speak for the Scandinavian translations. Here that tale was
published over two albums. Translated directly to English the Danish titles
are: "The mad German's Mine" and "The ghost shoots width golden bullets".
These stories was first published in 1973 or so in the weekly magazine
"Tempo" (Norway) and "Fart og Tempo" (Denmark). I don't know what the
magazine was called in Sweden - if they had it.
Sigvald
> If I'd said anything about it -- I worship
> Moebius' western works and often refer to
> them for authentic visual details when doing
> wild-western stories like that one and
> "The Three Caballeros Ride Again".
Moebius? Who's that, Charlier or Giraud?
Anyway I agree with you that Blueberry is great comics. First time I read
Blueberry was back in 1976.
> I wonder if "Lost Dutchman's Mine" is even the
> title of that story in Europe -- perhaps that
> was only the title chosen by the American
> translators?
I can only speak for the Scandinavian translations. Here that tale was
published over two albums. Translated directly to English the Danish titles
are: "The mad German's Mine" and "The ghost shoots width golden bullets".
These stories was first published in 1973 or so in the weekly magazine
"Tempo" (Norway) and "Fart og Tempo" (Denmark). I don't know what the
magazine was called in Sweden - if they had it.
Sigvald