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INDUCKS is an impressive and tremendously valuable project, even with
it's recent technical difficulties. Is it a required resource for
Disney comics writers? No.

Don Rosa's Duck stories have entertained readers now for nigh onto
seventeen-eighteen years, and he's achieved remarkable things. Are his
stories - Lo$ included - required reading for Disney comics writers? No.

Has any writer established for all other writers the first name of Ms.
Quackfaster and the last name of Glittering Goldie? No.

Has Geoff Blum ever made any sort of policy that has anything to do
with Disney comics? No.

Are Reese's Peanut Butter Cups my favorite candy? Yes!

Just a few things I thought some folks might like to know.

Gary

Quoting myself:

> Does anybody here have a picture of obscure Duck Tales character
> Vacation Van Hump? And if so, would that person do me a favor and send
> me a scan?

I haven't gotten any response to this request, but I'm hoping that's
because it has gotten lost in the currently-heavy traffic here on DCML.

So... Vacation Van Hump. Anybody got one?

Lars

For what it`s worth, here are the names by which the Pete-like character
is called in the Barks stories listed by Rich and Frank:

Donald Duck Finds Pirate Gold (FC 9): Black Pete
The Mummy's Ring (W OS 29-01): no name
Frozen Gold (W OS 62-02): Pete De Fox aka Foxy Pete
The Riddle Of The Red Hat (FC 79): Pete
The Inventors' Contest (W US 28-02): Pierre De Fraud aka Black Pete
Rival Boatmen (W WDC 45-02): J.P. Diamondtubs
The Great Duckburg Frog-Jumping Contest (W WDC 108-02): "Snake Eyes"
McViper
Attic Antics (aka Welcome Guests) (WDC 132): ?
Log Jockey (WDC 267): Black Pierre (renamed "Bully Pierre" in a Gold Key
reprint)

Trombone Trouble and Northwest Mounted are animated cartoons.

Gerd

Thanks to Don Rosa for replay my message...

By the way, Giraud or Moebius is one of the disciples of the late great
Jije, creator of Jerry Spring, and one of the columns of the Spirou's
school.

FABIO

> The correct name of the Lt. Blueberry story is "La Mine de l'Allemand
> Perdu", "The Lost German's Mine" - or "The Crazy German's Mine".
> Even nitpickier, it is drawn by Jean Giraud under the pseudonym "Gir" -
not
> Giraud's alter ego, Mo?bius, who didn't really emerge until 1973, the year
> after the album release of "La Mine...". So significant differences exist
> between the traditional artist Giraud and the unorthodox writer/artist
> Mo?bius, that a sharp distinction between the works of the two is usually
> made.
>
> --Ole
>
>
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Considering a possible "Life and Times of Pete"-series:

Yes, I'd certainly like to see that!

I'm not very familiar with the Mouse-universe, but I was in Italy
(Napoli) last June and I bought a copy of a book called "Topolino
Noir" which contains ten stories written by Tito Faraci and drawn by
different artists (Cavazzano, Scarpa, Celoni, Mastantonuo and
more). Pete's character as portrayed in these stories in very likeable
and human. It seems like he really cares for his girlfriend Trudy.

The last story, "Topolino e il fiume del tempo", shows how Mickey
and Pete retrieve the sunken wreck of 'Steamboat Willie'. They're
forced to work as a team (I don't know why, my Italian isn't that
good) and they seem to get to like each other. Or rather, Pete seems
anxious to become Mickey's friend and Mickey is rather reluctant.

I really like this story, both for the artwork and the way it's told.
The writer even found an excuse why Mickey didn't wear any shirt at
the time of Steamboat Willie (1928): "It was a very hot summer, so
hot that I only wore shorts." :)

What I'm trying to say: This is probably the way I'd like to see such a
"Life of Pete" being written: tying together various 'facts' given in
classic stories and cartoons and portraying Pete as a rounder
character than the 'evil villain' he used to be. And maybe Tito Faraci
could be the right man on such a job.

I'd even suggest we need an Italian artist to draw it, and rather
Cavazzano, Mastantonuo or Celoni than Scarpa, but that's only my
personal preference, and I'm not familiar with other Italian artists
than those represented in this book. Those first three artists make
drawings with an excellent balance in black and white, while
Scarpa's work needs probably to be coloured to look better.

The characters Scarpa draws display a sort of 'elasticity' and they
'overact' a bit. Not that I don't think he's a good artist, but I'm curious
what his fans like about his work. Maybe we could discuss this a bit?

Another Pete-problem: as there have been stories with Pete (and
Mickey!) for 75 years now, needs there a timeline to be constructed?
Do we want Pete to interact with real historical circumstances?

Also in "Topolino Noir": four stories by Cavazzano and Faraci
featuring ''l'ispettore Manetta'' (detective Casey). I really liked them
and I'd want to see more stories like these. (I guess I should check
out the Dutch pockets-series.) Cavazzano's artwork is great, and in
these stories, Manetta is a rounder character. There's another story
in this book ("Topolino e il genio nell'ombra") by Faraci and Ziche
and here Manetta is just a dimwitted klutz. In Cavazzano's stories,
Manetta is also not very bright, but at least he has self-esteem and
self-confidence, which makes these stories more attractive to me.

Michiel Prior.

P.S. to Gary Leach: Thank you for pointing out those 'few items'.

Michiel Prior wrote:

> What I'm trying to say: This is probably the
> way I'd like to see such a "Life of Pete"
> being written: tying together various 'facts'
> given in classic stories and cartoons and
> portraying Pete as a rounder character than
> the 'evil villain' he used to be.

If that by any chance means ignoring all the classic tales by Gottfredson
and Murry it would IMO make a "Life of Pete" pretty much nonsense.

> And maybe Tito Faraci could be the right man on
> such a job. I'd even suggest we need an Italian
> artist to draw it.

I am not sure if that would be smart. Marco Rota once tried to write about
Donald's life. Many people, even here at DCML, think that he failed because
he didn't knew enough about Barks' views about the relations in the
Duck-family - facts that were partly revealed in "Race to the South Seas".
Furthermore I think that, even though most often undeserved, Italian Disney
comics has, due to the high output, got an assembly-line mark on it.

I would therefore prefer that a well qualified American, like our friend
David Gerstein, to do such an important job - but that's just my thoughts.

Anyway the most important issue here IMO, is that whoever selected to do a
"Life of Pete" should care as much about the works of Gottfredson and/or
Murry as DR cared for the works of Barks when he did Lo$. Based on such a
secure platform that artist could include other ideas as well.

> Another Pete-problem: as there have been
> stories with Pete (and Mickey!) for 75 years
> now, needs there a timeline to be constructed?

Of course that's needed, have you ever seen a biography without a timeline
in it? Furthermore the strict timeline is the red thread that IMO make Lo$
so superb as it is.

> Do we want Pete to interact with real
> historical circumstances?

I would guess that anyone who loves Lo$ finds it obvious that the real
history should take place around Pete, though unlike $crooge I don't think
he's much involved in historical events.

Sigvald

Thanks for the list of names & pseudonyms for Pete in those Barks stories Gerd.
Peter, Petro, Pedro, Pierre, etc. are all variations of Pete, and the use of names
that are not variations on Pete (Snake Eyes, Maestro Macaroni, etc.) are also
consistent with his character. Almost every Disney authorative reference also
verifies that this is a trait of Pete's, so it would be hard to really discount
any creator intention when using a character who looks and acts like Pete and
attempt to say they are NOT Pete. If Pete is not meant to be the villain, then
there are unlimited possibilities for imagery to draw from.

> in the 1944 cartoon "Trombone Trouble" (story director
> Carl Barks) Pete *was* Donald's (rather obnoxious) neighbor.

As was he in "The New Neighbor" (August 1, 1953) when he and his sheepdog, Muncey,
annoyed Donald to no end.

Also, Gerd said that "Trombone Trouble" & "Northwest Mounted" were cartoons. This
is true, but they were are translated for comics:

W WDC 32-14 2 t -- Trombone Trouble [first published:1943-05]
XFC ALP 4G + i Carl Barks Carl Barks DD Trombone Trouble [appearances:DD,PE]
[first published:2000]

http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?XFC+ALP+4H
XFC ALP 4H + i Carl Barks Carl Barks MM Northwest Mounted
[appearances:PE,MM] [first published:2000]

I have no idea about the XFC ALP publications, but if I understand the WDC #32
reference, it was probably a "text" comic with one or two illustrations. I'm not
sure who might have done the art, but it could have been Barks since he is
credited otherwise for the cartoons on both.

Thanks,

Rich Bellacera
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Frank Bubacz:
> That must have been the first really interesting post in about a dozen
> digests mainly consisting of flame wars. So can anybody tell me now
> where it was first claimed that it was Taliaferro's idea to add nephews
> to the lonely Donald, and if the source is as trustable as Barks?

Nobody seems to have answered this yet (I might have missed an answer in
the message flood, so sorry if I'm repeating someone). There is an
interview of Floyd Gottfredson in the book Mickey Mouse in Color. I don't
if it's the first claim for Taliaferro, but it's definately a claim. There
Gottfredson says:

"The only thing I know in the Comic Strip Department that was adopted in
the pictures was [Al Taliaferro's] creation of Donald's nephews in the
Donald Duck daily strip. Al's widow, Lucy, called me recently to read me a
memo she had found while cleaning up Al's stuff at home. It was from
someone in the Story Department, thanking Al for having created the
nephews and telling him that they were going to use them in a short and
since he created them, they not only wanted to go on recordas
acknowledging the fact that he had, but also wanted to recognize it with a
check, which they sent him.
[...]
When Al introduced the Duck nephews, he did it emulating the three
nephews in Happy Hooligan that Opper had done."

So a lot of contradictory information going around. Nephews' birth might
remain a mystery until end of times.

--
Petri Kanninen (pkannine at cc.hut.fi)
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