>From: "mateusz lis" <lis- at wp.pl>
>To: "Disney Comics Mailing List" <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
>Subject: RE: Who is who in Duckburg
>Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:56:56 +0200
>Stefan:
> > No, Barks is more popular than Rosa.
>
>How did you guess that I was thinking about Don Rosa? ;-)
Re-read your own message:
>They shouldn't print these dates - they are based on a view of only
>one creator (to be honest: the most popular creator, but still...)
Since you were talking about Rosa's POV, Rosa has to be the creator whom you
considered the most popular.
>But is Barks really more popular than Rosa now?
Yes.
Stefan
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Stefan Persson
Who is who in Duckburg
Message 211 -
2003-08-12 at 00:52:40
Stefan Persson
Who is who in Duckburg
Message 212 -
2003-08-12 at 00:54:34
>From: "mateusz lis" <lis- at wp.pl>
>To: "Stefan Persson" <reimersholme at hotmail.com>
>Subject: RE: Who is who in Duckburg
>Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 23:39:43 +0200
> > According to Barks, $crooge was 75 years old in a one-pager from 1955.
>
>Interesting! What is the title of this story?
"Watt an Occasion" (Inducks D-title).
Inducks code: W US 12-01
Stefan
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>To: "Stefan Persson" <reimersholme at hotmail.com>
>Subject: RE: Who is who in Duckburg
>Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 23:39:43 +0200
> > According to Barks, $crooge was 75 years old in a one-pager from 1955.
>
>Interesting! What is the title of this story?
"Watt an Occasion" (Inducks D-title).
Inducks code: W US 12-01
Stefan
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Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Marvel
Message 213 -
2003-08-12 at 01:23:56
SRoweCanoe at aol.com wrote:
> You are talking about Mickey Mouse Magazine
> that was published by Welsh. There were lots
> of those old sleuth (ie:mickey as Sherlock
> Holmes) stories
>
> Welsh did lots of childrens magazines - untill
> they were bought by Marvel comics, who
> published one childrens mag and then published
> no more
Aha! This fact supports my anti-Marvel attitude. I have never liked Marvel
very much because I have always prefered Disney comics and European comics.
Marvel comics often have a weird modern style that I dont enjoy to much.
Sigvald
> You are talking about Mickey Mouse Magazine
> that was published by Welsh. There were lots
> of those old sleuth (ie:mickey as Sherlock
> Holmes) stories
>
> Welsh did lots of childrens magazines - untill
> they were bought by Marvel comics, who
> published one childrens mag and then published
> no more
Aha! This fact supports my anti-Marvel attitude. I have never liked Marvel
very much because I have always prefered Disney comics and European comics.
Marvel comics often have a weird modern style that I dont enjoy to much.
Sigvald
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Florence Quackfaster
Message 214 -
2003-08-12 at 01:38:52
M.J. Prior <M.J.Prior at student.rug.nl> wrote:
> I can't see how such a slip-of-the-mind can
> have anything to do with a "lack of respect
> for other artists" and it certainly hasn't
> anything to do with a "lack of respect for
> Barks" since 'Emily' is a name made up by Don
> Rosa, not by Carl Barks.
Correct! In my *personal opinion* it is when Blum uses vague ideas from
Barks as basis for modern stories that he shows a lack of respect for Barks.
> Following the same train of thought, you
> (Sigvald) might as well blame Don Rosa for
> showing "lack of respect for Strobl" by
> 'ignoring' the existence of a story by Toby
> Strobl and Bob Gregory, in which Scrooge's
> mining grandfather was called Titus.
As far as I can remember Don Rosa has commented this himself on DCML not
very long ago. By then he said something like it was a mistake by him - he
didn't knew. And I won't blame him. I guess there wasn't I.N.D.U.C.K.S. when
he needed that name, by now there is, and I am sure that G. Blum is very
welcome to use it, right Harry?
> And who says Emily and Florence are the same
> character? Lo$ 11 takes place in 1930 and
> shows an Emily Quackfaster working at Scrooge's
> office, while Blum's story takes place in the
> early 21st century and shows a Florence
> Quackfaster being employed by Scrooge.
OK, then it's possible to see the last one as the first ones daughter, son's
dauhter, niece, grandniece or something.
Sigvald
> I can't see how such a slip-of-the-mind can
> have anything to do with a "lack of respect
> for other artists" and it certainly hasn't
> anything to do with a "lack of respect for
> Barks" since 'Emily' is a name made up by Don
> Rosa, not by Carl Barks.
Correct! In my *personal opinion* it is when Blum uses vague ideas from
Barks as basis for modern stories that he shows a lack of respect for Barks.
> Following the same train of thought, you
> (Sigvald) might as well blame Don Rosa for
> showing "lack of respect for Strobl" by
> 'ignoring' the existence of a story by Toby
> Strobl and Bob Gregory, in which Scrooge's
> mining grandfather was called Titus.
As far as I can remember Don Rosa has commented this himself on DCML not
very long ago. By then he said something like it was a mistake by him - he
didn't knew. And I won't blame him. I guess there wasn't I.N.D.U.C.K.S. when
he needed that name, by now there is, and I am sure that G. Blum is very
welcome to use it, right Harry?
> And who says Emily and Florence are the same
> character? Lo$ 11 takes place in 1930 and
> shows an Emily Quackfaster working at Scrooge's
> office, while Blum's story takes place in the
> early 21st century and shows a Florence
> Quackfaster being employed by Scrooge.
OK, then it's possible to see the last one as the first ones daughter, son's
dauhter, niece, grandniece or something.
Sigvald
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
"Glittering" Goldie
Message 215 -
2003-08-12 at 01:45:22
Rich Bellacera wrote:
> Without the rude tone included in SV's post,
> I would generally tend to agree with his
> interpretation of Goldie's name.
First, my initials would be SG, *not* SV.
Second, any "rude tone" in my reply to Stefan is totally unintended. I am
sorry if anyone find that mail offending.
Sigvald
> Without the rude tone included in SV's post,
> I would generally tend to agree with his
> interpretation of Goldie's name.
First, my initials would be SG, *not* SV.
Second, any "rude tone" in my reply to Stefan is totally unintended. I am
sorry if anyone find that mail offending.
Sigvald
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Vehicles of Scrooge and the nephews
Message 216 -
2003-08-12 at 01:47:47
MATEUSZ LIS quoted some information, 11-08-2003:
> Scrooge McDuck [...]
> Vehicle: Various cars, but *always* he has a chauffeur.
This caught my eye. When someone says "always", I immediately start
thinking if I can show off some exceptions. :-)
I remember at least one exception in Barks's stories. There's a gag in
which Scrooge needs parts for his old car, and has to go the museum to
get them. (US 22) In this gag, Scrooge drives the car all by himself.
> Huey, Dewey, Louie [...]
> Vehicle: bicycles
I think there are a few Barks stories in which the nephews drive
Donald's car. I can think of only one example, the story about the
howlingest cat in the whole neighborhood. (WDC 76)
There's also Barks's script-only "A Day in a Duck's Life" (DD 138),
in which the nephews drive a seven speed screaming stunter that they
bought with their savings.
I'm curious for other exceptions and examples.
--- Dani?l
> Scrooge McDuck [...]
> Vehicle: Various cars, but *always* he has a chauffeur.
This caught my eye. When someone says "always", I immediately start
thinking if I can show off some exceptions. :-)
I remember at least one exception in Barks's stories. There's a gag in
which Scrooge needs parts for his old car, and has to go the museum to
get them. (US 22) In this gag, Scrooge drives the car all by himself.
> Huey, Dewey, Louie [...]
> Vehicle: bicycles
I think there are a few Barks stories in which the nephews drive
Donald's car. I can think of only one example, the story about the
howlingest cat in the whole neighborhood. (WDC 76)
There's also Barks's script-only "A Day in a Duck's Life" (DD 138),
in which the nephews drive a seven speed screaming stunter that they
bought with their savings.
I'm curious for other exceptions and examples.
--- Dani?l
Geo
Comicbooks in the USA
Message 217 -
2003-08-12 at 01:49:44
I'm going to try to start a thread in here, lets see how this goes.
Well, Disney comics are finally being published in the US again. This is something that we (American Disney comic fans) have been looking forward to. The comicbook market in the US has been very erratic for quite some time, but due to current trends in Cinema the general public is once again starting to put some purchasing power back into comics. What does this mean for Disney comics?
Well Disney comics got a lot of new readers back in the late 80's due to TV exposure with DuckTales. In the early 90's the whole comicbook market boomed and people were buying 100 copies of the "Death of Superman" as investments. The logic was totally flawed for more reasons than I care to get into and the market crashed hard. Many publishers were lost during that time, but Gladstone not only came back (Disney had started producing the books themselves due to the industry's revenues and quickly bowed out when it went down hill) but they hung on till the end of the decade. Gladstone had been selling well before the boom because it brought in readers not investors, and it was also the reason they kept going when other folded.
Now we find ourselves in a situation where once again new readers are entering the market due to showing comicbook characters in a more mainstream medium, this time it was movies. The formula that worked for Gladstone is now working for Marvel, and whats good for one in this industry is good for others. It's only a few feet worth of space on the rack between Spider-Man and Uncle Scrooge after all, the major issue is getting new readers in the comic shops to begin with. With the biggest issue to new readership taken care of to a degree, the next step is to get these new readers to pick up Ducks along with Mutants. How do you do that, I ask? What are some opinions out there?
Geo
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Well, Disney comics are finally being published in the US again. This is something that we (American Disney comic fans) have been looking forward to. The comicbook market in the US has been very erratic for quite some time, but due to current trends in Cinema the general public is once again starting to put some purchasing power back into comics. What does this mean for Disney comics?
Well Disney comics got a lot of new readers back in the late 80's due to TV exposure with DuckTales. In the early 90's the whole comicbook market boomed and people were buying 100 copies of the "Death of Superman" as investments. The logic was totally flawed for more reasons than I care to get into and the market crashed hard. Many publishers were lost during that time, but Gladstone not only came back (Disney had started producing the books themselves due to the industry's revenues and quickly bowed out when it went down hill) but they hung on till the end of the decade. Gladstone had been selling well before the boom because it brought in readers not investors, and it was also the reason they kept going when other folded.
Now we find ourselves in a situation where once again new readers are entering the market due to showing comicbook characters in a more mainstream medium, this time it was movies. The formula that worked for Gladstone is now working for Marvel, and whats good for one in this industry is good for others. It's only a few feet worth of space on the rack between Spider-Man and Uncle Scrooge after all, the major issue is getting new readers in the comic shops to begin with. With the biggest issue to new readership taken care of to a degree, the next step is to get these new readers to pick up Ducks along with Mutants. How do you do that, I ask? What are some opinions out there?
Geo
(Jehovany Diaz)
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Katie Sullivan
Odin
Message 218 -
2003-08-12 at 01:51:17
> >> This isn't really a very good comparison because no one
> worships
> >> Zeus or Odin anymore,
> >
> > I don't know about Odin
>
> The belief in the old Norse gods, the Asatru, is currently a
> recognized
> religion in Iceland.
>
> Lars
Really? Wow! Fascinating! I stand corrected. Thanks for the
information. I'll have to research that. :)
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> worships
> >> Zeus or Odin anymore,
> >
> > I don't know about Odin
>
> The belief in the old Norse gods, the Asatru, is currently a
> recognized
> religion in Iceland.
>
> Lars
Really? Wow! Fascinating! I stand corrected. Thanks for the
information. I'll have to research that. :)
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Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
The Self-Promotion of Keno Don Rosa.....
Message 219 -
2003-08-12 at 02:15:44
rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com
>> "If (Rosa) wants to do (old-fashioned) stories
>> set in the (1950s) he should come up with his
>> own ideas and not use Barks' name to get
>> attention. From what I have read on DCML
>> before (Rosa) uses vague ideas from Barks as
>> basis for his stories apparently in order to
>> get attention."
>
> Oh, by the way, Sigvald....where exactly did
> you get that notion that's quoted above?
I have nothing to width it. That quote is written by Mr. Daniel van Eijmeren
- written as a comment to my comment about G. Blum.
> I'd like to see exact postings and quotes
> from Don that say something to the affect
> of "I use Barks references in my stories,
> not because I like and respect Barks' work,
> but because I want attention."
Such quotes doesn't exist. But I should let Daniel answer that.
> I think we'd all like to see those postings.
> Until then, your argument has no base
> whatsoever.
Again, ask Daniel. And please don't involve me in such disputs when I for
once is innocent.
Sigvald
>> "If (Rosa) wants to do (old-fashioned) stories
>> set in the (1950s) he should come up with his
>> own ideas and not use Barks' name to get
>> attention. From what I have read on DCML
>> before (Rosa) uses vague ideas from Barks as
>> basis for his stories apparently in order to
>> get attention."
>
> Oh, by the way, Sigvald....where exactly did
> you get that notion that's quoted above?
I have nothing to width it. That quote is written by Mr. Daniel van Eijmeren
- written as a comment to my comment about G. Blum.
> I'd like to see exact postings and quotes
> from Don that say something to the affect
> of "I use Barks references in my stories,
> not because I like and respect Barks' work,
> but because I want attention."
Such quotes doesn't exist. But I should let Daniel answer that.
> I think we'd all like to see those postings.
> Until then, your argument has no base
> whatsoever.
Again, ask Daniel. And please don't involve me in such disputs when I for
once is innocent.
Sigvald
Daniel Van Eijmeren
I'd rather not send this, but it seems I must
Message 220 -
2003-08-12 at 02:17:31
SIGVALD GROSFJELD to RODNEY BOWCOCK, 12-08-2003:
>> Oh, by the way, Sigvald....where exactly did you get that
>> notion that's quoted above?
> I have nothing to width it. That quote is written by Mr. Daniel
> van Eijmeren - written as a comment to my comment about G. Blum.
This confusion already has been FULLY explained by Olaf Solstrand
and Rodney himself.
> Such quotes doesn't exist. But I should let Daniel answer that.
Answer what? You ask me to say something about some confusion which
already has been cleared up?
Well, okay. Here I go:
Thanks for your clarifications, Olaf and Rodney.
I couldn't do it better!
>> I think we'd all like to see those postings. Until then, your
>> argument has no base whatsoever.
> Again, ask Daniel.
Well, okay. My inner answering machine goes wild. Here I go, again:
Thanks for your clarifications, Olaf and Rodney.
I couldn't do it better!
--- Dani?l
>> Oh, by the way, Sigvald....where exactly did you get that
>> notion that's quoted above?
> I have nothing to width it. That quote is written by Mr. Daniel
> van Eijmeren - written as a comment to my comment about G. Blum.
This confusion already has been FULLY explained by Olaf Solstrand
and Rodney himself.
> Such quotes doesn't exist. But I should let Daniel answer that.
Answer what? You ask me to say something about some confusion which
already has been cleared up?
Well, okay. Here I go:
Thanks for your clarifications, Olaf and Rodney.
I couldn't do it better!
>> I think we'd all like to see those postings. Until then, your
>> argument has no base whatsoever.
> Again, ask Daniel.
Well, okay. My inner answering machine goes wild. Here I go, again:
Thanks for your clarifications, Olaf and Rodney.
I couldn't do it better!
--- Dani?l
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
$crooges year of birth
Message 221 -
2003-08-12 at 02:31:39
Stefan Persson <reimersholme at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Especially not since U$ was born in 1880
> (and not in 1867, as wrongly stated by the
> Polish issue).
Such statments could ignit flame wars here, Stefan. Is that what you want?
Haven't we had enough of that already???
Can you please come up with a (serious) source for this?
Sigvald
> Especially not since U$ was born in 1880
> (and not in 1867, as wrongly stated by the
> Polish issue).
Such statments could ignit flame wars here, Stefan. Is that what you want?
Haven't we had enough of that already???
Can you please come up with a (serious) source for this?
Sigvald
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Who is who in Duckburg
Message 222 -
2003-08-12 at 02:41:21
OLAF SOLSTRAND to MATEUSZ LIS, 11-08-2003
About birth dates of Disney characters:
> These dates were published in an official Disney magazine? And they
> were presented as if they were Disney facts, and not the opinions of
> one creator? What on earth has happened, then?
Nothing new, I'm afraid.
The phenomenon of discussable information being printed as gospel in
an editorial part of a Disney publication, is decades old.
--- Dani?l
About birth dates of Disney characters:
> These dates were published in an official Disney magazine? And they
> were presented as if they were Disney facts, and not the opinions of
> one creator? What on earth has happened, then?
Nothing new, I'm afraid.
The phenomenon of discussable information being printed as gospel in
an editorial part of a Disney publication, is decades old.
--- Dani?l
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Who actually created HDL?
Message 223 -
2003-08-12 at 02:42:38
Rich Bellacera wrote:
> Who actually came up with the concept of Huey,
> Dewey & Louie? Was the comic strip concept by
> Ted Osborne/Al Taliaferro created first or
> was the cartoon story by Jack King created
> first?
What I know for sure is that Don Rosa did credit Osborne and Taliaferro for
this in W.H.A.D.A.L.O.T.T.A.J.A.R.G.O.N. (1997).
Sigvald
> Who actually came up with the concept of Huey,
> Dewey & Louie? Was the comic strip concept by
> Ted Osborne/Al Taliaferro created first or
> was the cartoon story by Jack King created
> first?
What I know for sure is that Don Rosa did credit Osborne and Taliaferro for
this in W.H.A.D.A.L.O.T.T.A.J.A.R.G.O.N. (1997).
Sigvald
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Who is who in Duckburg
Message 224 -
2003-08-12 at 02:49:30
Stefan Persson <reimersholme at hotmail.com> wrote:
> According to Barks, $crooge was 75 years old
> in a one-pager from 1955.
Barks contradicted himself a very few times. Once he stated that the Money
Bin on Kill Motor Hill was raised in 1880 also (70 years in 1950 or so). We
both know that Barks din't mean that $crooge raised his Bin the same year as
he was born. That mean that we have to find another chronology. I for my
part vote for the one used in Lo$.
Sigvald
> According to Barks, $crooge was 75 years old
> in a one-pager from 1955.
Barks contradicted himself a very few times. Once he stated that the Money
Bin on Kill Motor Hill was raised in 1880 also (70 years in 1950 or so). We
both know that Barks din't mean that $crooge raised his Bin the same year as
he was born. That mean that we have to find another chronology. I for my
part vote for the one used in Lo$.
Sigvald
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Blum and Barks
Message 225 -
2003-08-12 at 03:01:28
SIGVALD GROSFJELD to M.J. PRIOR, 11-08-2003:
> Correct! In my *personal opinion* it is when Blum uses vague ideas
> from Barks as basis for modern stories that he shows a lack of
> respect for Barks.
Barks made modern stories himself, and Blum followed that tradition.
That's not an opinion. That's a fact.
You are confused with another artist...
--- Dani?l
> Correct! In my *personal opinion* it is when Blum uses vague ideas
> from Barks as basis for modern stories that he shows a lack of
> respect for Barks.
Barks made modern stories himself, and Blum followed that tradition.
That's not an opinion. That's a fact.
You are confused with another artist...
--- Dani?l