Cord wrote:
> Of course it is not "scientific" but it's a nice game. And I think that
> there a lot of celebrities in our days who determine their own
> popularity by entering their own name in Google.
I've noticed the discussions here are already producing evaluations of
the statistical principles - and flaws - underlying these online polls.
I have no head for it myself, believe me, but it seems to me that the
group here could, with time and sufficient levels of interest and
analysis, turn these games into relatively reliable gauges of
popularity.
I, for one, think that would be very useful.
Gary
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Gary Leach
DCML Digest, Vol 6, Issue 39
Message 376 -
2003-08-16 at 17:12:59
Timo Ronkainen
Timo's bumble bee
Message 377 -
2003-08-16 at 17:26:56
>I think you made a typo. This is the text in panel 1.1:
Oops! And I've used this for years without noticing this little typo!
Thank's for correcting me. :-)
Timo
^^''*''^^
Cartoonist - writer - donaldist -
Timo Ronkainen ---------------- -
YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- -
20540 Turku ------------------- -
Finland ----------------------- -
timoro at hotmail.com
timoro at sunpoint.net
?? Personal:
http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/
?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus:
http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/
?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali:
http://www.kvaak.fi
.................................
"Rumble on, buxom bumble bee!
Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!"
>From: "Daniel van Eijmeren" <dve at kabelfoon.nl>
>To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
>CC: <timoro at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Timo's bumble bee
>Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 05:42:17 +0200
>
>TIMO RONKAINEN, 15-08-2003
>
> > "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee!
> > Go sit on cowslip - far from me!"
>
>
>--- Dani?l
_________________________________________________________________
MSN Messenger - kaikki yst?v?t klikkauksen p??ss?! Lataa t?st? ilmaiseksi.
http://www.msn.fi/viestintapalvelut/Messenger
Oops! And I've used this for years without noticing this little typo!
Thank's for correcting me. :-)
Timo
^^''*''^^
Cartoonist - writer - donaldist -
Timo Ronkainen ---------------- -
YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- -
20540 Turku ------------------- -
Finland ----------------------- -
timoro at hotmail.com
timoro at sunpoint.net
?? Personal:
http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/
?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus:
http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/
?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali:
http://www.kvaak.fi
.................................
"Rumble on, buxom bumble bee!
Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!"
>From: "Daniel van Eijmeren" <dve at kabelfoon.nl>
>To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
>CC: <timoro at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Timo's bumble bee
>Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 05:42:17 +0200
>
>TIMO RONKAINEN, 15-08-2003
>
> > "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee!
> > Go sit on cowslip - far from me!"
>
>
>--- Dani?l
_________________________________________________________________
MSN Messenger - kaikki yst?v?t klikkauksen p??ss?! Lataa t?st? ilmaiseksi.
http://www.msn.fi/viestintapalvelut/Messenger
Gary Leach
Covers and lettering
Message 378 -
2003-08-16 at 17:39:48
Stefan:
> To my knowledge, Gemstone has so far not made any new Disney stories.
> There are two Van Horn covers (1st WDC & 2nd U$) which haven't been
> identified from other publications. I see that Van Horn obviously is
> working for Gemstone as a letterer, so maybe the covers were made for
> Gemstone as well. Does anyone know anything more about this?
Bill is not working with Gemstone as an active letterer - not yet,
anyway. What we have used so far is the lettering he has done on the
original art of the stories he's done for Egmont. Bill does this as a
matter of course - a rare inclination among comics artists - although
he knows full well that Egmont has no need for it. On the other hand,
Egmont retains files of his art with his lettering intact, and these
are what we order and use.
The William Van Horn covers Gemstone has published are all original
commissions by Gemstone. Also, we have just worked up our first
original cover from Noel Van Horn, with another one in the works, and
have two original cover commissions in hand from Daan Jippes, who has
also done an original cover for the next edition of the Overstreet
Comic Book Price Guide (one of four variant covers this edition is
slated to have).
Gary
> To my knowledge, Gemstone has so far not made any new Disney stories.
> There are two Van Horn covers (1st WDC & 2nd U$) which haven't been
> identified from other publications. I see that Van Horn obviously is
> working for Gemstone as a letterer, so maybe the covers were made for
> Gemstone as well. Does anyone know anything more about this?
Bill is not working with Gemstone as an active letterer - not yet,
anyway. What we have used so far is the lettering he has done on the
original art of the stories he's done for Egmont. Bill does this as a
matter of course - a rare inclination among comics artists - although
he knows full well that Egmont has no need for it. On the other hand,
Egmont retains files of his art with his lettering intact, and these
are what we order and use.
The William Van Horn covers Gemstone has published are all original
commissions by Gemstone. Also, we have just worked up our first
original cover from Noel Van Horn, with another one in the works, and
have two original cover commissions in hand from Daan Jippes, who has
also done an original cover for the next edition of the Overstreet
Comic Book Price Guide (one of four variant covers this edition is
slated to have).
Gary
Francesco Spreafico
Teams, individuals, Scarpa, Barks
Message 379 -
2003-08-16 at 17:48:23
Daniel van Eijmeren wrote:
> There are many great comic book teams, within and outside Disney.
> Daan Jippes and Freddy Milton, to name just one team. I think it
> depends on how people work best, and on their attitude. Some people
> like to work alone, and other people like to fill in each other while
> creating a story.
Of course, of course! I just feel that if the author is only one the story
will have a certain "spark" that generally stories made by teams don't have.
Of course those stories may have other "sparks", I'm not dismissing them at
all, I have two websites about non-disney comic writers, so I like teams
too!
> When I asked a Dutch songwriter to tell me his best song, he humbly
> answered: "I still have to write that one." And he already was one
> of the best songwriters in The Netherlands! I think his answer
> perfectly explained how he got that far.
I remember reading somewhere that Scarpa would like to have time to remake
all of his old stories, because he feels they still lack something...
artists always try to get better and improve themselves, and that's a very
good thing!
>> Scrooge is the Scrooge I love (100% Barksian, if you like it so, but
>> not only so).
>
> Shouldn't Scarpa gets credits as well, if he creates a good Scrooge?
> It can't be 100% Barksian, because the story isn't created by Barks.
> I often see great efforts by artists, and then their fans let Barks
> take all the credits. Personally, I find that unfair and confusing.
That's why I wrote "not only so" ;-) (So actually "100%" is mathematically
incorrect, I stand corrected!). Andof course I wasn't crediting anything to
Barks for this, I was crediting Scarpa for being faithful to the real
character while being original at the same time.
>> He feels lonely so he gets this bird, the Kaibi', and then does
>> anything he can to feed him.
>
> Barks's Scrooge in the gag "Playmates" (US 38), and Barks's Scrooge
> in "The Pixilated Parrot" (OS 282) contain a quite different, less
> friendly Scrooge when it comes to taking care for pets, IMO.
I forgot to mention that Scrooge was not aware that feeding the Kaibi' would
be such a chore (or he wouldn't have bought it). But since he already owned
it when he found out that the country was out of sardines I don't think
Scrooge would let the bird starve to death, would he?
> Are there Barks stories in which Scrooge has a generous attitude to
> pets and animals? At the moment, I only remember a gag about Scrooge
> accidently feeding money to a horse. (US 23)
I remember something with chipmunks, but it was still about money IIRC.
Anyway the point wasn't pets, it was Scrooge's heart!
> P.S. Just in case I'm giving a wrong impression, I want to emphasize
> that I've enjoyed your enthusiastic account of Scarpa's work.
Thanks! :-)
> After
> reading it, I feel uneasy not really knowing much of his work. Maybe
> I should feel ashamed? Well, what do you think? :-)
That you should not feel ashamed, and that you should go find some Scarpa's
stories to read :-)
Francesco
http://www.dimensionedelta.net/scarpa/
> There are many great comic book teams, within and outside Disney.
> Daan Jippes and Freddy Milton, to name just one team. I think it
> depends on how people work best, and on their attitude. Some people
> like to work alone, and other people like to fill in each other while
> creating a story.
Of course, of course! I just feel that if the author is only one the story
will have a certain "spark" that generally stories made by teams don't have.
Of course those stories may have other "sparks", I'm not dismissing them at
all, I have two websites about non-disney comic writers, so I like teams
too!
> When I asked a Dutch songwriter to tell me his best song, he humbly
> answered: "I still have to write that one." And he already was one
> of the best songwriters in The Netherlands! I think his answer
> perfectly explained how he got that far.
I remember reading somewhere that Scarpa would like to have time to remake
all of his old stories, because he feels they still lack something...
artists always try to get better and improve themselves, and that's a very
good thing!
>> Scrooge is the Scrooge I love (100% Barksian, if you like it so, but
>> not only so).
>
> Shouldn't Scarpa gets credits as well, if he creates a good Scrooge?
> It can't be 100% Barksian, because the story isn't created by Barks.
> I often see great efforts by artists, and then their fans let Barks
> take all the credits. Personally, I find that unfair and confusing.
That's why I wrote "not only so" ;-) (So actually "100%" is mathematically
incorrect, I stand corrected!). Andof course I wasn't crediting anything to
Barks for this, I was crediting Scarpa for being faithful to the real
character while being original at the same time.
>> He feels lonely so he gets this bird, the Kaibi', and then does
>> anything he can to feed him.
>
> Barks's Scrooge in the gag "Playmates" (US 38), and Barks's Scrooge
> in "The Pixilated Parrot" (OS 282) contain a quite different, less
> friendly Scrooge when it comes to taking care for pets, IMO.
I forgot to mention that Scrooge was not aware that feeding the Kaibi' would
be such a chore (or he wouldn't have bought it). But since he already owned
it when he found out that the country was out of sardines I don't think
Scrooge would let the bird starve to death, would he?
> Are there Barks stories in which Scrooge has a generous attitude to
> pets and animals? At the moment, I only remember a gag about Scrooge
> accidently feeding money to a horse. (US 23)
I remember something with chipmunks, but it was still about money IIRC.
Anyway the point wasn't pets, it was Scrooge's heart!
> P.S. Just in case I'm giving a wrong impression, I want to emphasize
> that I've enjoyed your enthusiastic account of Scarpa's work.
Thanks! :-)
> After
> reading it, I feel uneasy not really knowing much of his work. Maybe
> I should feel ashamed? Well, what do you think? :-)
That you should not feel ashamed, and that you should go find some Scarpa's
stories to read :-)
Francesco
http://www.dimensionedelta.net/scarpa/
Francesco Spreafico
Pete
Message 380 -
2003-08-16 at 17:52:27
M.J. Prior wrote:
> P.S.: Did you know that in Italy Pete's still called
> Pegleg Pete, even though he has two normal legs? His
> Italian name is Pietro Gambadilegno, which means Pete
> Wooden-Leg. Don't you think that's just LOVELY? I do!
I also remember learning when I was a little kid that in English he was
named "Peg-Leg Pete" and I grew up thinking he still was. I was a bit
shocked to fin out that he's not anymore... even his entry in the wikipedia
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Pete says Black Pete (I've been tempted
to change it, but it wouldn't be fair... I'll just add a note...)
Francesco
http://www.dimensionedelta.net/scarpa/
> P.S.: Did you know that in Italy Pete's still called
> Pegleg Pete, even though he has two normal legs? His
> Italian name is Pietro Gambadilegno, which means Pete
> Wooden-Leg. Don't you think that's just LOVELY? I do!
I also remember learning when I was a little kid that in English he was
named "Peg-Leg Pete" and I grew up thinking he still was. I was a bit
shocked to fin out that he's not anymore... even his entry in the wikipedia
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Pete says Black Pete (I've been tempted
to change it, but it wouldn't be fair... I'll just add a note...)
Francesco
http://www.dimensionedelta.net/scarpa/
Michael Schartau
Ne Dia
Message 381 -
2003-08-16 at 18:15:56
... people still use the expression "Ne Dia", an
> archaic expression meaning "by Zeus"!
>
> Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
How close is this to the latin word for the "Christian" Good?
/Michael
> archaic expression meaning "by Zeus"!
>
> Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
How close is this to the latin word for the "Christian" Good?
/Michael
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Italian stories keeping close to American 'originals'
Message 382 -
2003-08-16 at 18:19:39
M.J. Prior <M.J.Prior at student.rug.nl> wrote:
> Considering your statement above, I think the
> Italian stories keep in fact very close to the
> American originals. Did you know that Italian
> Duck-and-Mouse stories, contrary to the way
> the stories are represented in other European
> countries, are set in an American context?
Thanks for your very interesting information about Italian Disney comics.
However what I was thinking about is these typical traits of the Italian
Duck-stories:
a) The Italians have completely redrawn the Money Bin, they either don't
like or they don't respect the original look Barks once gave it.
b) The Italians have completely redrawn Miss (Emily) Quackfaster, they
either don't like or they don't respect the original look Barks once gave
her. Or perhaps $crooge's secretary in the Italian stories is a new
character?
c) The Italians have introduced their own characters:
James, Brigitta, etc.
> Maybe I could illustrate this with an issue of
> "Zio Paperone".
I have three of them myself - width Rosa stories in them! Great comics!
> Maybe you should try and look for similarity,
> instead of differences.
I do that also - sometimes! Or at least I like to look for connections here
and there.
> P.S.: Did you know that in Italy Pete's still
> called Pegleg Pete, even though he has two
> normal legs?
I didn't know that!
However this topic is very interesting when it comes to a "Life of Pete"
tale. IMO it's a Gottfredson-fact that Pete once went around with a
wooden-leg. It's also a Gottfredson-fact that that situation somehow was
changed. In a "LoP" there should be one chapter explaining how he lost his
original leg, and later another chapter how he get rid of the wooden-leg.
Perhaps he was once a nice and honest man that became criminal because he
lost his leg and thus perhaps also his job? Perhaps a vague analogy to Darth
Vader?
In Gottfredson's stories we meet many advanced professors, perhaps a such
gave pete a new, perfect protease - so that he could do perfect without the
old wooden leg.
Sigvald
> Considering your statement above, I think the
> Italian stories keep in fact very close to the
> American originals. Did you know that Italian
> Duck-and-Mouse stories, contrary to the way
> the stories are represented in other European
> countries, are set in an American context?
Thanks for your very interesting information about Italian Disney comics.
However what I was thinking about is these typical traits of the Italian
Duck-stories:
a) The Italians have completely redrawn the Money Bin, they either don't
like or they don't respect the original look Barks once gave it.
b) The Italians have completely redrawn Miss (Emily) Quackfaster, they
either don't like or they don't respect the original look Barks once gave
her. Or perhaps $crooge's secretary in the Italian stories is a new
character?
c) The Italians have introduced their own characters:
James, Brigitta, etc.
> Maybe I could illustrate this with an issue of
> "Zio Paperone".
I have three of them myself - width Rosa stories in them! Great comics!
> Maybe you should try and look for similarity,
> instead of differences.
I do that also - sometimes! Or at least I like to look for connections here
and there.
> P.S.: Did you know that in Italy Pete's still
> called Pegleg Pete, even though he has two
> normal legs?
I didn't know that!
However this topic is very interesting when it comes to a "Life of Pete"
tale. IMO it's a Gottfredson-fact that Pete once went around with a
wooden-leg. It's also a Gottfredson-fact that that situation somehow was
changed. In a "LoP" there should be one chapter explaining how he lost his
original leg, and later another chapter how he get rid of the wooden-leg.
Perhaps he was once a nice and honest man that became criminal because he
lost his leg and thus perhaps also his job? Perhaps a vague analogy to Darth
Vader?
In Gottfredson's stories we meet many advanced professors, perhaps a such
gave pete a new, perfect protease - so that he could do perfect without the
old wooden leg.
Sigvald
Søren Krarup Olesen
Back! Hrmphf! ;-)
Message 383 -
2003-08-16 at 18:25:18
Dear all,
I think that just leaving a mailing list you've been a member of for at
least six years was a bit too hard for me. I found myself downloading
your mails from the web anyway...so...
About the web-poll provided by Sigvald in a "scientific" way, I second
Martin and possibly others. Such investigations are rather close to
useless. For example, Olaf turns out to be more popular than Tony Strobl
himself, which of course is rediculous. Olaf, I am quite sure that you
agree with me on this...well, of course you do.
The idea from Rich about a Pete book is one of the most interesting
things I've read here for a long time. Firstly I found it a bit strange,
but on seconds thoughts it is brilliant. The nice thing about it is that
we basically don't know much about Pete's background, about what
happened when he was young. In some of the old stories he goes for power
only, but later he also seems to enjoy being a friend of Mickey's, so in
fact he is quite a complicated character. Thinking of robbing a bank
(which actually appeals to me if only in dreams...but still...)
And even better: Such a book would include almost the entire gallery of
characters that we know so well already, both ducks and mice.
Dani?l, you asked for a story:
> This reminds me of a D-coded(?) [...]
The story is probably D 5273 ("The Vegetarian") drawn by Vicar, but
there is no breaking windows, so perhaps I am wrong.
Somebody spoke about Rota's earlier art, i.e. including Mickey and
Goofy. I recommend you to visit http://raptus.dk and click on "R"
As for Scarpa I am all with Francesco Spreafico. IMHO many Italians (and
their stories) rates equally or even better than Barks. Sorry, can't
help it.
All for now.
S?ren
"The history is unpredictable"
I think that just leaving a mailing list you've been a member of for at
least six years was a bit too hard for me. I found myself downloading
your mails from the web anyway...so...
About the web-poll provided by Sigvald in a "scientific" way, I second
Martin and possibly others. Such investigations are rather close to
useless. For example, Olaf turns out to be more popular than Tony Strobl
himself, which of course is rediculous. Olaf, I am quite sure that you
agree with me on this...well, of course you do.
The idea from Rich about a Pete book is one of the most interesting
things I've read here for a long time. Firstly I found it a bit strange,
but on seconds thoughts it is brilliant. The nice thing about it is that
we basically don't know much about Pete's background, about what
happened when he was young. In some of the old stories he goes for power
only, but later he also seems to enjoy being a friend of Mickey's, so in
fact he is quite a complicated character. Thinking of robbing a bank
(which actually appeals to me if only in dreams...but still...)
And even better: Such a book would include almost the entire gallery of
characters that we know so well already, both ducks and mice.
Dani?l, you asked for a story:
> This reminds me of a D-coded(?) [...]
The story is probably D 5273 ("The Vegetarian") drawn by Vicar, but
there is no breaking windows, so perhaps I am wrong.
Somebody spoke about Rota's earlier art, i.e. including Mickey and
Goofy. I recommend you to visit http://raptus.dk and click on "R"
As for Scarpa I am all with Francesco Spreafico. IMHO many Italians (and
their stories) rates equally or even better than Barks. Sorry, can't
help it.
All for now.
S?ren
"The history is unpredictable"
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
favourite artists
Message 384 -
2003-08-16 at 18:44:58
Daniel van Eijmeren <dve at kabelfoon.nl> wrote:
> What an enjoyable email, Sigvald!
I am glad that you appreciated it!
> - Gottfredson: "The Monarch of Medioca"
> - Murry: "Return of the Phantom Blot"
>
> Interesting! I don't know these stories.
> What are they about?
In "The Monarch of Medioca" Mickey is somehow kidnapped and brought to the
country of "Medioca" in where he takes the king's place as he looks exactly
like the king. In his role as the king Mickey brings the country's economy
back in order and stops a coup d'etat by a close relative of the king.
In "Return of the Phantom Blot" Goofy hits his head and start believing that
he is the Phantom Blot. When it comes to this story I think there is an
error in the INDUCKS/COA database as the second time this story was
published in Danish Anders And & Co (#17-20/1983) it said to be done by
another artist than Murry. Perhaps Harry, Stefan or SKO can take a look at
this?
>> [Rosa's] "Gyro's First Invention" [D 2001-143]
>> is off course special to me because I gave
>> some inspiration to it.
>
> Can you describe what exactly you contributed
> to this story?
The idea of Gyro to be the one to get $crooge's money back from the cave
where it was stuck in the end of "A Christmas for Shacktown" + the idea of
Gyro building Little Helper in order to enter the little Badger's hole + the
idea of using these ideas in a Gyro anniversary story. I think that's about
it.
> I've seen the Little Helper fan-drawing on your
> website, and I like it very much. That must be
> a great souvenir, together with the story
> itself!
Oh yes, it is indeed!
> I supplied the basic idea of showing Rosa's
> Eisner Award as a background detail in one of
> his stories, in order to show the fans how it
> looks like. I didn't expect that Rosa would
> use it, in the expanded Lo$ 12 (ARC US 296)
> as it turned out. So, that was quite a
> surprise.
Well, that was a good idea - really!
> At the end of the story, Donald finds out that
> even the book's writer doesn't eat the results
> of his own recipies, preferring a restaurant
> instead. An expensive one, because he can
> afford it because of the success of his book.
> Very funny!
Ahh! I remember it! Yes that is a funny story!
Sigvald
> What an enjoyable email, Sigvald!
I am glad that you appreciated it!
> - Gottfredson: "The Monarch of Medioca"
> - Murry: "Return of the Phantom Blot"
>
> Interesting! I don't know these stories.
> What are they about?
In "The Monarch of Medioca" Mickey is somehow kidnapped and brought to the
country of "Medioca" in where he takes the king's place as he looks exactly
like the king. In his role as the king Mickey brings the country's economy
back in order and stops a coup d'etat by a close relative of the king.
In "Return of the Phantom Blot" Goofy hits his head and start believing that
he is the Phantom Blot. When it comes to this story I think there is an
error in the INDUCKS/COA database as the second time this story was
published in Danish Anders And & Co (#17-20/1983) it said to be done by
another artist than Murry. Perhaps Harry, Stefan or SKO can take a look at
this?
>> [Rosa's] "Gyro's First Invention" [D 2001-143]
>> is off course special to me because I gave
>> some inspiration to it.
>
> Can you describe what exactly you contributed
> to this story?
The idea of Gyro to be the one to get $crooge's money back from the cave
where it was stuck in the end of "A Christmas for Shacktown" + the idea of
Gyro building Little Helper in order to enter the little Badger's hole + the
idea of using these ideas in a Gyro anniversary story. I think that's about
it.
> I've seen the Little Helper fan-drawing on your
> website, and I like it very much. That must be
> a great souvenir, together with the story
> itself!
Oh yes, it is indeed!
> I supplied the basic idea of showing Rosa's
> Eisner Award as a background detail in one of
> his stories, in order to show the fans how it
> looks like. I didn't expect that Rosa would
> use it, in the expanded Lo$ 12 (ARC US 296)
> as it turned out. So, that was quite a
> surprise.
Well, that was a good idea - really!
> At the end of the story, Donald finds out that
> even the book's writer doesn't eat the results
> of his own recipies, preferring a restaurant
> instead. An expensive one, because he can
> afford it because of the success of his book.
> Very funny!
Ahh! I remember it! Yes that is a funny story!
Sigvald
Rodney-selfhelpbikeco
My subject line is deliberatly poor
Message 385 -
2003-08-16 at 18:47:17
>Ah, that was a serious mail? The subject made me sort it out as spam
>without opening it.
>EVERYONE: Please put better contents in the subject line!
Maybe it's just me, but I knew *exactly* what the e-mail was about when I read the subject line, especially since the DCML has had several messages of people listing their favorite artists, stories, etc.
Or perhaps I'm just psychic.....(in which case, please forward $3.95 per minute via Paypal for reading this message). :-)
rodney.
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>without opening it.
>EVERYONE: Please put better contents in the subject line!
Maybe it's just me, but I knew *exactly* what the e-mail was about when I read the subject line, especially since the DCML has had several messages of people listing their favorite artists, stories, etc.
Or perhaps I'm just psychic.....(in which case, please forward $3.95 per minute via Paypal for reading this message). :-)
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DCML Digest, Vol 6, Issue 37 (Ludwig's feather)
Message 386 -
2003-08-16 at 18:52:46
Ole Nielsen wrote
> A question which I have been unable to find answer to, is the symbolic
> significance of a feather in the rimb of a hat, like Ludwig Von Drake has.
> My searches keep ending up with unspecific references to mid-20th century
> fashion and Native American traditions, suggesting that mr. Von Drake has
> performed some untold heroic deed in his past. Both a general answer to the
> meaning and possibly story references to this characteristic of his are
> welcome.
I suspect that this was a reference to Ludwig's "Germanic" and/or "Austrian"
heritage. "Tyrolean" hats have often been depicted in this country as having
feathers attached to them.
Chris Barat
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> 1. A feather in the hat (Ole R Nielsen)
> 2. These are a few of my favorite things....
> (Madame Jennifer Inantaz)
> 3. SV: Positive matters (Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr.)
> 4. Re: SV: Positive matters (Olaf Solstrand)
> 5. favourite artists (Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr.)
> 6. SV: As American as apple pie? (Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr.)
> 7. SV: RE: "Life of Pete" again! (Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr.)
> 8. Answer to M.J. Prior (Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr.)
> 9. A constructive mail this time (Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr.)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:32:16 +0200
> From: "Ole R Nielsen" <oleroc at tdcspace.dk>
> Subject: A feather in the hat
> To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
> Message-ID: <000e01c36353$2ee1ef20$4f9af33e at OleRoc.opasia.dk>
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>
> A question which I have been unable to find answer to, is the symbolic
> significance of a feather in the rimb of a hat, like Ludwig Von Drake has.
> My searches keep ending up with unspecific references to mid-20th century
> fashion and Native American traditions, suggesting that mr. Von Drake has
> performed some untold heroic deed in his past. Both a general answer to the
> meaning and possibly story references to this characteristic of his are
> welcome.
>
> -- Ole
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:07:14 -0500
> From: "Madame Jennifer Inantaz" <madame82 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: These are a few of my favorite things....
> To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
> Message-ID: <BAY2-F51oUwnX8hDaUY0000d782 at hotmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
> A question which I have been unable to find answer to, is the symbolic
> significance of a feather in the rimb of a hat, like Ludwig Von Drake has.
> My searches keep ending up with unspecific references to mid-20th century
> fashion and Native American traditions, suggesting that mr. Von Drake has
> performed some untold heroic deed in his past. Both a general answer to the
> meaning and possibly story references to this characteristic of his are
> welcome.
I suspect that this was a reference to Ludwig's "Germanic" and/or "Austrian"
heritage. "Tyrolean" hats have often been depicted in this country as having
feathers attached to them.
Chris Barat
> Send DCML mailing list submissions to
> dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
> dcml-owner at stp.ling.uu.se
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of DCML digest..."
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. A feather in the hat (Ole R Nielsen)
> 2. These are a few of my favorite things....
> (Madame Jennifer Inantaz)
> 3. SV: Positive matters (Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr.)
> 4. Re: SV: Positive matters (Olaf Solstrand)
> 5. favourite artists (Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr.)
> 6. SV: As American as apple pie? (Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr.)
> 7. SV: RE: "Life of Pete" again! (Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr.)
> 8. Answer to M.J. Prior (Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr.)
> 9. A constructive mail this time (Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr.)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:32:16 +0200
> From: "Ole R Nielsen" <oleroc at tdcspace.dk>
> Subject: A feather in the hat
> To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
> Message-ID: <000e01c36353$2ee1ef20$4f9af33e at OleRoc.opasia.dk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> A question which I have been unable to find answer to, is the symbolic
> significance of a feather in the rimb of a hat, like Ludwig Von Drake has.
> My searches keep ending up with unspecific references to mid-20th century
> fashion and Native American traditions, suggesting that mr. Von Drake has
> performed some untold heroic deed in his past. Both a general answer to the
> meaning and possibly story references to this characteristic of his are
> welcome.
>
> -- Ole
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:07:14 -0500
> From: "Madame Jennifer Inantaz" <madame82 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: These are a few of my favorite things....
> To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
> Message-ID: <BAY2-F51oUwnX8hDaUY0000d782 at hotmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
Thomas Pryds Lauritsen
COA in trouble again!
Message 387 -
2003-08-16 at 19:05:04
Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr. skrev:
> I know that having two servers is an economic question, thus if anyone have
> plans about sponsoring this great project they should do so soon - not wait
> until hell freezes down.
I think the problem is better solved using a "professional" server site.
And I assure you that we are working to get something into place to take
over from the privately based server system now used. Nothing is certain
yet, but it looks like something is about to happen in the relatively
near future.
> FYI: I want you to know that our friend Thomas should *not* be blamed for
> all the COA-problems. From what I have heard unserious WEB-providers, evil
> viruses and maybe old hardware only are to blame.
Thank you. The problem this time was a malfunctioning router (a piece of
network hardware). All it needed was a reboot, but unfortunately only a
few days before I had left for a summer stay out of town. I have now
returned, rebooted the router, and everything seems to work again, and
has done so for a day or two. This kind of problem is something that can
be prevented with a professionally surveillanced server system.
Thomas
> I know that having two servers is an economic question, thus if anyone have
> plans about sponsoring this great project they should do so soon - not wait
> until hell freezes down.
I think the problem is better solved using a "professional" server site.
And I assure you that we are working to get something into place to take
over from the privately based server system now used. Nothing is certain
yet, but it looks like something is about to happen in the relatively
near future.
> FYI: I want you to know that our friend Thomas should *not* be blamed for
> all the COA-problems. From what I have heard unserious WEB-providers, evil
> viruses and maybe old hardware only are to blame.
Thank you. The problem this time was a malfunctioning router (a piece of
network hardware). All it needed was a reboot, but unfortunately only a
few days before I had left for a summer stay out of town. I have now
returned, rebooted the router, and everything seems to work again, and
has done so for a day or two. This kind of problem is something that can
be prevented with a professionally surveillanced server system.
Thomas
Stefan Persson
Sigvald, Vidar & Thomas: favourite artists
Message 388 -
2003-08-16 at 19:18:16
>From: "Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr." <sigvald at duckburg.dk>
>Reply-To: "Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr." <sigvald at duckburg.dk>
>To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Subject: SV: Re: favourite artists
>Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 17:44:58 +0200
>In "Return of the Phantom Blot" Goofy hits his head and start believing
>that
>he is the Phantom Blot. When it comes to this story I think there is an
>error in the INDUCKS/COA database as the second time this story was
>published in Danish Anders And & Co (#17-20/1983) it said to be done by
>another artist than Murry. Perhaps Harry, Stefan or SKO can take a look at
>this?
This is very simple: the Danish (and Norwegian) indices contain the wrong
codes, so Harry's DIZNI program adds the credits for that other story
instead.
THOMAS/VIDAR:
The codes shall be corrected as follows:
entrycode ^ correct storycode
AA/DD1983-17f ^ W WDC 284-08
AA/DD1983-18f ^ W WDC 285-07
AA1983-19h/DD1983-19f ^ W WDC 286-06
AA/DD1983-20e ^ W WDC 287-05
Stefan
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>Reply-To: "Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr." <sigvald at duckburg.dk>
>To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Subject: SV: Re: favourite artists
>Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 17:44:58 +0200
>In "Return of the Phantom Blot" Goofy hits his head and start believing
>that
>he is the Phantom Blot. When it comes to this story I think there is an
>error in the INDUCKS/COA database as the second time this story was
>published in Danish Anders And & Co (#17-20/1983) it said to be done by
>another artist than Murry. Perhaps Harry, Stefan or SKO can take a look at
>this?
This is very simple: the Danish (and Norwegian) indices contain the wrong
codes, so Harry's DIZNI program adds the credits for that other story
instead.
THOMAS/VIDAR:
The codes shall be corrected as follows:
entrycode ^ correct storycode
AA/DD1983-17f ^ W WDC 284-08
AA/DD1983-18f ^ W WDC 285-07
AA1983-19h/DD1983-19f ^ W WDC 286-06
AA/DD1983-20e ^ W WDC 287-05
Stefan
_________________________________________________________________
Hitta r?tt k?pare p? MSN K?p & S?lj http://www.msn.se/koposalj
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Sigvald, Vidar & Thomas: favourite artists
Message 389 -
2003-08-16 at 19:31:10
Stefan Persson <reimersholme at hotmail.com> wrote:
> THOMAS/VIDAR:
> The codes shall be corrected as follows:
> entrycode ^ correct storycode
> AA/DD1983-17f ^ W WDC 284-08
> AA/DD1983-18f ^ W WDC 285-07
> AA1983-19h/DD1983-19f ^ W WDC 286-06
> AA/DD1983-20e ^ W WDC 287-05
>
> Stefan
A great example of Scandinavian co-operation this is!
Sigvald
> THOMAS/VIDAR:
> The codes shall be corrected as follows:
> entrycode ^ correct storycode
> AA/DD1983-17f ^ W WDC 284-08
> AA/DD1983-18f ^ W WDC 285-07
> AA1983-19h/DD1983-19f ^ W WDC 286-06
> AA/DD1983-20e ^ W WDC 287-05
>
> Stefan
A great example of Scandinavian co-operation this is!
Sigvald
Søren Krarup Olesen
Sigvald: Italian stories keeping close to American 'originals'
Message 390 -
2003-08-16 at 19:34:29
SIGVALD:
> a) The Italians have completely redrawn the Money Bin, they either
> don't like or they don't respect the original look Barks once gave
> it.
This word "respect" is beginning to give me the creeps, Sigvald. As if
your repetitive "name & reputation" statements weren't enough. Besides,
the "Italian" money bin looks mostly the same as the Barksian money bin.
Nothing has changed. Luciano Gatto drew a few stories where Scrooge
doesn't even live in this money bin construction at all...there are some
of those, and they are good stories anyway.
> b) The Italians have completely redrawn Miss (Emily) Quackfaster,
> they either don't like or they don't respect the original look Barks
> once gave her. Or perhaps $crooge's secretary in the Italian stories
> is a new character?
I don't think she is a new character as such, but she has indeed
developed a little bit. Sigvald, please try to understand that many
subordinary characters do change as time changes. The original
Rockerduck as presented by Barks in the 60s has developed into one of
the most significant and important character in the Italian stories. The
same goes for Hubbard's Fethry who after a few stories got another hair
cut--although the word "cut" is not too appropriate here ;-)
Characters *do* develop, Sigvald. Hence, there is no reason for you to
sit back moaning and displeased because something doesn't perfectly
match your Barks (Rosa) ideas. You assume that every writer must have
read Rosa and thus must call Quackfaster for Emily. AFAI remember
Egmont's "internal" name for her is "Typefast(er)" of something like
that. The "Emily" name is only known to me due to some indexing I do
from time to time.
S?ren
> a) The Italians have completely redrawn the Money Bin, they either
> don't like or they don't respect the original look Barks once gave
> it.
This word "respect" is beginning to give me the creeps, Sigvald. As if
your repetitive "name & reputation" statements weren't enough. Besides,
the "Italian" money bin looks mostly the same as the Barksian money bin.
Nothing has changed. Luciano Gatto drew a few stories where Scrooge
doesn't even live in this money bin construction at all...there are some
of those, and they are good stories anyway.
> b) The Italians have completely redrawn Miss (Emily) Quackfaster,
> they either don't like or they don't respect the original look Barks
> once gave her. Or perhaps $crooge's secretary in the Italian stories
> is a new character?
I don't think she is a new character as such, but she has indeed
developed a little bit. Sigvald, please try to understand that many
subordinary characters do change as time changes. The original
Rockerduck as presented by Barks in the 60s has developed into one of
the most significant and important character in the Italian stories. The
same goes for Hubbard's Fethry who after a few stories got another hair
cut--although the word "cut" is not too appropriate here ;-)
Characters *do* develop, Sigvald. Hence, there is no reason for you to
sit back moaning and displeased because something doesn't perfectly
match your Barks (Rosa) ideas. You assume that every writer must have
read Rosa and thus must call Quackfaster for Emily. AFAI remember
Egmont's "internal" name for her is "Typefast(er)" of something like
that. The "Emily" name is only known to me due to some indexing I do
from time to time.
S?ren