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Lars Jensen
On November 25, 2002, Gilles wrote:

> (mainly directed to Lars Jensen)
> Waitaminit!!!!
> In D 7296, by Vicar (writer unknown), there apears a prospector cousin
> named Douglas, but he doesn't look at all like yours (same clothes,
> but with a beard!).
> So, some things i've said in my last message must have been because i
> was thinking of this douglas (the douglas from the Vicar story you've
> been inspired from, I even didn't know his name)
> So, do you think this third (well, chronologically speaking, it's the
> second one) douglas should be considered as the same one??? S.
> Haagerup, who provided me a scan for this Douglas, told me he was, in
> his version, 1/4 cousin to Scrooge and called "Freddy Fryseand"(Freddy
> Freezing-duck) , but he is listed as "Douglas" in Inducks...
> could you, please, tell me what you think about all this???

I finally found the time to look at "Hillbilly Cousin" (D 7296). The
hillbilly character in this story doesn't look like the "Douglas/Freddy
Fryseand" pictured on your Duck Family Tree. Also, his original name is
Duckwood (Andreas in Danish), rather than Douglas. And he is Donald's
cousin, rather than Scrooge's 1/4 cousin. Perhaps you or S. Haagerup
mixed up two stories? Anyway, the character from D 7296 is definitely
*not* Scrooge's cousin Douglas (as seen in D 5560 and D 99252).

And just so you know: "Hillbilly Cousin" ends by showing us a ton of
(apparently one-off) Duck family members, none of which seem to be in
your Duck Family Tree, as far as I can tell.

Lars
Daniel Van Eijmeren
SOREN OLESEN, 16-08-2003:

> The original Rockerduck as presented by Barks in the 60s has
> developed into one of the most significant and important
> character in the Italian stories. The same goes for Hubbard's
> Fethry who after a few stories got another hair cut--although
> the word "cut" is not too appropriate here ;-)

I like Al Hubbard's Fethry very much, as with his creative and
lively pencil-looking art in general. Scamp certainly isn't my
favourite character, but if it's a Hubbard story, then Scamp RULES!

His ducks look very different from most other artists, but I like
them very much! How can I explain that? It's Al Hubbard, you know. :-)

Fethry is a character that, if treaten right, fills in a gap in
the Duck univ... er... stories. :-) He's like Gottfredson's Goofy.
They have a "magic" elusiveness, and an incredible logic which
only works for themselves, but certainly not for others. That's
what I like about them. (Again, only if treaten right.)

I find it interesting to watch Donald meet someone who's even more
stubborn than he and Gladstone together. And I bet that Fethry
would even give *Gladstone* a hard time in a confrontation. :-)

Al Hubbard definitly would be on my list of favourite artists.
Too bad his stories aren't collected in series at all.

So, yet-another suggestion for Gemstone:
Reprints of Al Hubbard Fethry stories, please!

--- Dani?l
Rodney-selfhelpbikeco
I'm always pleased when John Lustig chips in on conversations here on the DCML. I think Lustig is one of the most underrated Disney comics writers in this country. His work is almost always well above average, and I'm glad that he's part of our ranks.

rodney.

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Since I'm getting more and more senile by every second, I don't remember
who sent the link to the Barks-aquarelle with the duck physicists arguing
about the nature of the Earth, nor the link to it (yes, I *could* look at
archives, but since I'm writing anyway:

The picture is gorgeous, but oh so tiny - does anyone have a scan with
better resolution?

/Theresa
Daniel Van Eijmeren
JOE TORCIVIA, 16-08-2003:

> Does the DCML have an official administrator?

That's Per Starb?ck, our DCML-god.

> If so, would he or she please contact me by private e-mail
> at JTorci3511 at aol.com

You can contact him at: dcml-owner at stp.ling.uu.se

--- Dani?l
Fabio Blanco
Dane wrote:
>Perhaps that would explain why the television with "Zorro" playing on it
was changed to "El Pollo" >in the Gemstone version of "The Three
Caballeros"?

El pollo? (the chicken?) El pollo? What the...?
Well, anyway, El Zorro isn't a Disney character, are property of Zorro
Productions or something like that, beyond the fact that some of first Zorro
tales are in Public Domain (I think)

Fabio

ps: el pollo?

bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar
Daniel Van Eijmeren
GOOGLE WEB-POLL, 16-08-2003:

> Rank Artist Creator Hits %
> ------------------------------------
> [...]
> 19 Jack Bradbury 819 1,0
> 20 Daniel Branca 455 0,6
> 21 Mau Heymans 286 0,4
> 22 Noel van Horn 231 0,3
> ------------------------------------

(This poll is based on the assumption that Disney creators are
a group of comparable individuals who would be mentioned on the
internet for the same reason. The more popular they are, the more
they are mentioned.)

I went to Google, filled in my name, and got about 540 hits. I'm the
20th one! This is a serious web poll. That's clear! :-) (Any excuse
for a party!) I'm even a more popular co-writer than Mau Heijmans.
And he has done years and years of work, and I'm mostly wasting my
time on DCML. All things come to him who sits and waits! :-) (WDC 103)

Option +disney gave "only" about 219 hits. That makes me 23th.
Not bad, so close to Noel Van Horn.

My infinite back catalog contains two four-page co-productions.
One of them hasn't been published so far, and maybe not even drawn.
The other one is by Mau Heijmans. (So far my self-promotion, or
self-destruction...)

Where's Mau's brother Bas Heijmans, by the way? Where's Al Hubbard?
Ben Verhagen? Ed Lukacs, an important Dutch artist in mainly the
1950s. And Wilma van der Bosch, who mainly(?) works for the Dutch
Daisy Duck comics? (http://www.xs4all.nl/~oost/wilma.htm)

Why don't we make our *own* DCML web-poll, *within* DCML?
Is that technically possible? It won't be any more "scientific",
but the results would learn us more about our tastes and our
knowlegde of creators.

SOEREN OLESEN, 16-08-2003:

> Barks and Rosa are the subject of many many discussions, and that does
> NOT necessarily represent a positive popularity, it merely reflect an
> interest on the Internet about debating these artists. And this is why
> e.g. Olaf rates higher than Tony Strobl.

Hey! How come Olaf Solstrand is more popular than ME? I'm typing my
fingers blue for about 8 years now, here on DCML, and he passes me by!
Me! *ME*! *MEEEEEEEEEEE*!!!!! What a lousy poll!

In a DCML-poll, I can vote on myself. :-)

--- Dani?l
Daniel Van Eijmeren
JENNIFER INANTAZ to me, 16-08-2003:

> Forgive me for the long, and rather unorganized e-mail. My brain
> was on the fritz that day. I was tired and, feeling zaney at the
> same time.

Funny. I never have that, myself.

Next time, remember that DCML-emails should always be as short
as possible, with lots of dry facts. And of course, they must be
on-topic.

BTW. I'm tired and zany, too! :-)

--- Dani?l
Cord Wiljes
Harry wrote:
> How do they know the difference between a comic strip and
> comic book work? What if you, for instance, want to reprint a
> Mickey story from an old WDC&S issue, without "knowing" that
> it originally was made for the newspapers?

They will know once they get a letter from Disney's lawyers. Not knowing
something (and in this case they do know, of course) does not prevent
punishment.

> I've never heard of Reese's Peanut Butter Cups, but the name sounds
delicious.

And the name is free of calories.

Cord
Ari Seppi
Francesco Spreafico:
>- US Fools of the Trade: This one too is better in English, but I'm not a
>big fan of Van Horn's art (while I'm becoming fan of his writing)

Hey, me too.

It took me a while to see the stories through his art. But now that I
see them, they are quite good. Additional bonus is that even his art
is improving: eyes aren't anymore as misplaced as they used to.

His most recent Finnish publication in this week's Aku Ankka was
pretty interesting story about Donald's new neighbours (D 2003-011)
even though it was in tough company (Be Leery Of Lake Eerie by
Barks/Jippes, D D 2002-023).

--
Ari Seppi (ari.seppi at iki.fi)
http://www.iki.fi/mani/
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Hi all!

>> [Sigvald] just keeps going on with forcing
>> Don Rosa's name into discussions, almost as
>> if he's being paid for it.
>>
>> I wonder who would pay Sigvald? Probably
>> those two ex-managers of Carl Barks - I
>> guess they hate Don enough.
>
> Mysterious, indeed! You raise some interesting
> questions here. Who actually is paying the
> wages of Don Rosa's Little Helper? And what
> can be done against its "friendly fire"?

This is *not* funny anymore, so please *stop* this nonsense. I don't like
Barks' ex-managers at all and I am very, very critical to what they did to
that old man. Anyone who still doubt this can just ask those who met me in
Denmark this summer, as those people were discussed then.

> 6. INDUCKS is not "a great example of
> Scandinavian co-operation". It's a
> cooperation of many people, including'
> Scandinavians.

And I didn't state that! My *only point* was that the fact that the Swedish
INDUCKS representative did help his Norwegian and Danish counterparts showed
Scandinavian co-operation.

Sigvald
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Hi all!

Steve from Austin did recently send me the following mail. It's forwarded
here with his approval.

Sigvald

---------------------
Perhaps Olivier reacted as he did because of the word "stuff." In Norwegian
(and possibly Danish [and Swdish] as well), "stoff" would be translated to
"material" however, in American English, "stuff" frequently suggests
inferior material...

You responded: While Carl Barks was kept anonymous by Disney, (comment:
corporation bringing joy to audience while exploiting employees?)

Kelly's name was probably always connected with Pogo, just like Charles
Shulz name was connected to his work, etc. (Comment: Agreed.. On the other
hand, Walt Disney kept his and his company's name connected to all the
characters,even if he did not create them.)
So just like SKO and others say that we shouldn't trust Google-WEB-polls to
much -(Comment: SKO has no sense of experimentation; while your test perhaps
would not stand up to statistical analysis and opinion-poll survey
methodologies, it definitely shows relative amounts of interest.)

we should IMO also be very careful by ranking Kelly and other well-promoted
artists/creators over Barks, whose name wasn't promoted at all in his active
days. (Comment: Barks took a comfortable path, securing his livelihood
--though we know Disney didn't make him rich--by keeping the Disney folks
happy, while still expanding the creativity through story lines. Kelley
chafed under working for someone else and chose the risk of creating new
characters and their world. Who is "better?" It's not possible to ever
answer that question. The comic book medium is somewhat different from the
comic strip medium, due to timing of jokes, pacing, etc. I personally loved
Pogo, because he and his friends came into my home every day in the
newspaper, while the Disney comics only arrived once a month. But I truly
enjoyed the manic reactions of Donald and the interactions with HD&L and U$.
The one thing I would eagerly argue for, however, is that Kelley's
backgrounds were usually more interesting than Barks and other Disney comic
book artists, excepting the occasional large scenic frames. Perhaps because
the Disney artists were told to keep the images simple for the kids?)

In closing, thanks for your response and I hope you won't take this as being
critical of Barks, and in the same vein I hope you may gain a larger
appreciation of Kelly.

I sent this to you off-list, but if there is anything you wish to share with
the others, feel free.

Steve in Austin
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Katie Sullivan
Harry wrote...
> http://inducks.org/dd50/fotos/j2002/p02-01.html
> (2nd photo shows one of the Rosa colour copies)

Wow, that looks like a really cool picture. Do you have a scan
of the drawing itself? I can't quite make out the details, and
it looks like a great one.

:)

Katie Sullivan
http://www.sullivanet.com/

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Katie Sullivan
Harry wrote:

>10. "Harry Fluks" gives 3710 hits on Google. The combination of

>"Sigvald" and "wrong" gets 194 hits, "Sigvald" and "right" gets

>471 hits. This proves nothing at all. 8-)

LOL!!!!

"Katie Sullivan" produced a result of 1,920 hits. (Of course
not all are referring to ME! o_0 Five on the ones on the first
page alone are referring to other people with my name.)

Oh well, could be worse... I could be a guy named "John Smith"
and get 379,000 hits! He must be very very popular! ;-)

Katie Sullivan
http://www.sullivanet.com/

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JTorci3511
Gary Leach dropped somewhat of a bomb on us by saying:

>> The Disney comic book license no longer covers the reprinting of comic
strips - that's now a license in itself. >>

With so much discussion of the prolonged situation in which Gemstone and
Disney meticulously negotiated matters over a period of years, I must confess that
it is a surprise to learn this.

Oh, well... it is a small sacrifice to make when considering the great
quality of that which has come from Timonium so far. Aside from the long awaited
returns of Rosa, Van Horn (both of them), and the Blocks, the contents of DONALD
DUCK ADVENTURES # 1 was simply amazing. Hopefully, however, a frequently
asked question can be answered, without revealing details that, perhaps, we
should not be privy to.

In terms of this licensing agreement, what defines a "comics strip story" vs.
a "comic book story"? Is ANYTHING that in any way originates in the
Gottfredson MM strip, the Taliaferro DD strip, the Silly Symphonies strip, etc.
ineligible for publication by Gemstone?

If the contents of a strip has already been reformatted for comic book
publication, is that version eligible because it HAS been published as a comic book
story? Or, is it ineligible because of its comic strip origins?

Can the version of "MM Outwits the Phantom Blot" that was "created" for the
MM CLUB PARADE comic book of the 1950s be used (...if for no other reason than
it includes original artwork by Paul Murry created for comic book
publication)?

Can the Dick Moores/Bill Right serialized version of "MM Outwits the Phantom
Blot" created for 1950s issues of WDC&S be used? It is legitimately comic
BOOK art, though adapted from a comic strip.

Can anything Western or Gladstone reformatted to comic book form be used?

I'll assume that anything never before seen in comic book form will remain so
under the prevailing situation.

We've just taken for granted that the inclusion of Disney strip material
(...dating back to WDC&S # 1) is an accepted part of the mix. It seems so strange
for this to not be so.

An afterthought: Steve Geppi was quoted early on to be considering a set of
WDC&S archives, at least for the earliest issues. How would the exclusion of
all strip material affect such a project?

Gary, you've been an incredible and greatly appreciated source of information
to this community. If at all possible, please elaborate to whatever extent
you can.

Thanks,

Joe Torcivia.