> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:07:14 -0500
> From: "Madame Jennifer Inantaz" <madame82 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: These are a few of my favorite things...
>
>
> Hi *waves* I'm "Lurker Jen"....
>
> *waves to Katie* It's me OchaGirl...
Hi!!! *gloms for a hug*
I'm still basking in the warm fuzzies from the picture your
contributed to my website! ^_^
http://www.sullivanet.com/duckburg/myart/guest-ochagirl.jpg
Nice to see another Goldie fan de-lurking! ;)
>~~~I love almost every story done by Don Rosa....
>but I do like the
>Goldie/Scrooge stories *hangs head in shame for being a Goldie
>cult follower*,
Hey, you're in good company! ;)
Wait...there's a cult? Where do I sign up? LOL!
[In "Dream of a Lifetime"]I was also happy that there
>were scenes
>with Goldie...and Scrooge together...heh... *hangs head again*.
*sighs dreamily with a distant look*
>~~~Hmmm with Katie, I know it'll be varieties of combinations of> Scrooge and
> Goldie...hehehehehehehe....
*joins in the giggling* ;)
>For me, Scrooge, Scrooge with Goldie (though I wouldn't mind if >Mr.Rosa did a
> story of just her, that'd be quite interesting.)
Wouldn't it, though? :-D Unfortunately highly unlikely, but it
would be very cool. I always wanted to know what her background
is, what her life was like before the Gold Rush. And
afterwards. And more about during...LOL!
I'd answer all those survey questions myself now, but I have to
run off to work and make money to dive through like a porpoise,
burrow through like a gopher, and toss up and let hit me on the
head. ;) Or at least buy more comics with. LOL!
Katie Sullivan
http://www.sullivanet.com/
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Katie Sullivan
OchaGirl! Hi! :)
Message 391 -
2003-08-16 at 19:39:16
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
The Google-WEB Poll - Improved version
Message 392 -
2003-08-16 at 21:29:17
Hi all!
I *may be wrong* but I have got a vague impression that those who are most
critical to my Google-WEB poll is the same that are most critical to Don
Rosa, thus they may not be to happy to see him being successful in such
polls. But anyway don't let us bring this debate down to a pro/contra Don
Rosa quarrel. In order to give more significance to my Google WEB-poll I
have included 22 artists/creators instead of only 14. I have also included
new and more accurate numbers for Freddy Milton and Dan Jippes. Here is the
updated ranking of the Disney artists/creators popularity based on the same
scientific(1) methods as last time ? Google-search with both the
artists/creators first and last name like this: "Carl Barks".
(1) The methods is made known to the readers, and the same methods are used
for all artists/creators. Furthermore where needed comments to the numbers
have been added below.
Rank Artist Creator Hits %
------------------------------------
1 Carl Barks 25100 31,2
2 Don Rosa 12600 15,6
3 Walt Kelly* 10200 12,7
4 Vicar** 6850 8,5
5 David Gerstein 2790 3,5
...................................
6 Giorgio Cavazzano 2350 2,9
7 Floyd Gottfredson 2280 2,8
8 Marco Rota 2200 2,7
9 Romano Scarpa 2080 2,6
10 Daan Jippes*** 1884 2,3
...................................
11 William van Horn 1880 2,3
12 Luciano Gatto 1880 2,3
13 Freddy Milton*** 1304 1,6
14 Al Taliaferro 1280 1,6
15 Olaf Solstrand 1140 1,4
...................................
16 Paul Murry 1110 1,4
17 Tony Strobl 947 1,2
18 Luciano Bottaro 875 1,1
19 Jack Bradbury 819 1,0
20 Daniel Branca 455 0,6
...................................
21 Mau Heymans 286 0,4
22 Noel van Horn 231 0,3
------------------------------------
* Not only a Disney-artist/creator. He is also known for Pogo, a non-Disney
animal-strip.
** Vicar is a frequent used word so this is number is based on a "Vicar" +
Disney search.
*** These numbers takes into account that these persons first names appears
in two ways in Google.
-------------------------------------------
Possible errors and weaknesses of this poll
-------------------------------------------
Possible sources of errors when it come to this numbers are uncertainties
with the reliability of Google, the possibility of name-brothers occurring
within the numbers, the possibility that some artists/creators are more
frequently mentioned by his first name or his last name only, than the
others, etc.
-------------------
Summary/Conclusion:
-------------------
This is *not* a 100% accurate ranking, but due to the huge number of hits
counted in this poll (a total of 80541 hits), the big differences between
the scores for Barks, Rosa vs the others, and the fact that those scores
doesn't seem to contradict the impression of these artist's popularity in
DCML and elsewhere indeed indicates that this poll proves that Don Rosa is
the most popular Disney artist/creator among those still alive and active.
Furthermore this poll leave small doubt that Barks is the most popular
Disney artist/creator ever! And finally yet another interesting point - this
poll seem to support my friendly suggestion of David Gerstein as the one who
should be asked to do a "LoP"-tale.
Sigvald
I *may be wrong* but I have got a vague impression that those who are most
critical to my Google-WEB poll is the same that are most critical to Don
Rosa, thus they may not be to happy to see him being successful in such
polls. But anyway don't let us bring this debate down to a pro/contra Don
Rosa quarrel. In order to give more significance to my Google WEB-poll I
have included 22 artists/creators instead of only 14. I have also included
new and more accurate numbers for Freddy Milton and Dan Jippes. Here is the
updated ranking of the Disney artists/creators popularity based on the same
scientific(1) methods as last time ? Google-search with both the
artists/creators first and last name like this: "Carl Barks".
(1) The methods is made known to the readers, and the same methods are used
for all artists/creators. Furthermore where needed comments to the numbers
have been added below.
Rank Artist Creator Hits %
------------------------------------
1 Carl Barks 25100 31,2
2 Don Rosa 12600 15,6
3 Walt Kelly* 10200 12,7
4 Vicar** 6850 8,5
5 David Gerstein 2790 3,5
...................................
6 Giorgio Cavazzano 2350 2,9
7 Floyd Gottfredson 2280 2,8
8 Marco Rota 2200 2,7
9 Romano Scarpa 2080 2,6
10 Daan Jippes*** 1884 2,3
...................................
11 William van Horn 1880 2,3
12 Luciano Gatto 1880 2,3
13 Freddy Milton*** 1304 1,6
14 Al Taliaferro 1280 1,6
15 Olaf Solstrand 1140 1,4
...................................
16 Paul Murry 1110 1,4
17 Tony Strobl 947 1,2
18 Luciano Bottaro 875 1,1
19 Jack Bradbury 819 1,0
20 Daniel Branca 455 0,6
...................................
21 Mau Heymans 286 0,4
22 Noel van Horn 231 0,3
------------------------------------
* Not only a Disney-artist/creator. He is also known for Pogo, a non-Disney
animal-strip.
** Vicar is a frequent used word so this is number is based on a "Vicar" +
Disney search.
*** These numbers takes into account that these persons first names appears
in two ways in Google.
-------------------------------------------
Possible errors and weaknesses of this poll
-------------------------------------------
Possible sources of errors when it come to this numbers are uncertainties
with the reliability of Google, the possibility of name-brothers occurring
within the numbers, the possibility that some artists/creators are more
frequently mentioned by his first name or his last name only, than the
others, etc.
-------------------
Summary/Conclusion:
-------------------
This is *not* a 100% accurate ranking, but due to the huge number of hits
counted in this poll (a total of 80541 hits), the big differences between
the scores for Barks, Rosa vs the others, and the fact that those scores
doesn't seem to contradict the impression of these artist's popularity in
DCML and elsewhere indeed indicates that this poll proves that Don Rosa is
the most popular Disney artist/creator among those still alive and active.
Furthermore this poll leave small doubt that Barks is the most popular
Disney artist/creator ever! And finally yet another interesting point - this
poll seem to support my friendly suggestion of David Gerstein as the one who
should be asked to do a "LoP"-tale.
Sigvald
Søren Krarup Olesen
The Google-WEB Poll - Improved version
Message 393 -
2003-08-16 at 22:43:19
SIGVALD:
> ------------------- Summary/Conclusion: ------------------- This is
> *not* a 100% accurate ranking, but due to the huge number of hits
> counted in this poll (a total of 80541 hits), the big differences
> between the scores for Barks, Rosa vs the others, and the fact that
> those scores doesn't seem to contradict the impression of these
> artist's popularity in DCML and elsewhere indeed indicates that this
> poll proves that Don Rosa is the most popular Disney artist/creator
> among those still alive and active. Furthermore this poll leave small
> doubt that Barks is the most popular Disney artist/creator ever! And
> finally yet another interesting point - this poll seem to support my
> friendly suggestion of David Gerstein as the one who should be asked
> to do a "LoP"-tale.
Your analysis doesn't prove much, Sigvald, and your conclusion is based
on many more assumptions than mentioned in your "Possible errors.."
paragraph.
If I did a similar search on "Osama Bin Laden" and compared that to our
Danish prime minister "Anders Fogh Rasmussen", the outcome would be
(according to your so-called "scientific" method) that Bin Laden is a
much more popular guy compared to Anders. Not that I appreciate any of
them, but that's a different story. My idea is, that you change your
conclusion into "mostly debated on the Internet" or something like that.
Did your study in history include any courses in statistics or how to
gather public opinions?
S?ren
> ------------------- Summary/Conclusion: ------------------- This is
> *not* a 100% accurate ranking, but due to the huge number of hits
> counted in this poll (a total of 80541 hits), the big differences
> between the scores for Barks, Rosa vs the others, and the fact that
> those scores doesn't seem to contradict the impression of these
> artist's popularity in DCML and elsewhere indeed indicates that this
> poll proves that Don Rosa is the most popular Disney artist/creator
> among those still alive and active. Furthermore this poll leave small
> doubt that Barks is the most popular Disney artist/creator ever! And
> finally yet another interesting point - this poll seem to support my
> friendly suggestion of David Gerstein as the one who should be asked
> to do a "LoP"-tale.
Your analysis doesn't prove much, Sigvald, and your conclusion is based
on many more assumptions than mentioned in your "Possible errors.."
paragraph.
If I did a similar search on "Osama Bin Laden" and compared that to our
Danish prime minister "Anders Fogh Rasmussen", the outcome would be
(according to your so-called "scientific" method) that Bin Laden is a
much more popular guy compared to Anders. Not that I appreciate any of
them, but that's a different story. My idea is, that you change your
conclusion into "mostly debated on the Internet" or something like that.
Did your study in history include any courses in statistics or how to
gather public opinions?
S?ren
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Italian version vs American version of Duckburg
Message 394 -
2003-08-16 at 22:52:28
S?ren Krarup Olesen <raptus at stofanet.dk> wrote:
>> a) The Italians have completely redrawn the
>> Money Bin, they either don't like or they
>> don't respect the original look Barks once
>> gave it.
>
> This word "respect" is beginning to give me
> the creeps, Sigvald. As if your repetitive
> "name & reputation" statements weren't enough.
I am very sorry. I didn't mean to insult or annoy anyone by my remarks about
Italian comics.
> Besides, the "Italian" Money Bin looks mostly
> the same as the Barksian Money Bin.
Maybe sometimes, but take a look a panel 1 on page 121 in the last
"Jumbobog". This is on page 1 of the story coded I-2438-6. There you can see
that the "Italian" Money Bin both looks very different from the Barksian
one, both in it's shape and in it's coloring. The Italian Bin even has a
large dome on the top of it.
>> b) The Italians have completely redrawn Miss
>> (Emily) Quackfaster, they either don't like
>> or they don't respect the original look Barks
>> once gave her. Or perhaps $crooge's secretary
>> in the Italian stories is a new character?
>
> I don't think she is a new character as such,
> but she has indeed developed a little bit.
> Sigvald, please try to understand that many
> subordinary characters do change as time
> changes. The original Rockerduck as presented
> by Barks in the 60s has developed into one of
> the most significant and important character
> in the Italian stories.
Yes, but that's OK because Barks didn't use him anymore. On the other hand I
don't appreciate versions of Flintheart Glomgold that contradicts the
standards set by Barks ? like him living in Limpopo Valley in South Africa
and having his own Money Bin with a pound sterling sign on it. That's
because Barks used that character a few times in his long stories and thus
IMO sat his standards.
> Characters *do* develop, Sigvald.
I know that, but I also know that not all development is to the better.
Sigvald
>> a) The Italians have completely redrawn the
>> Money Bin, they either don't like or they
>> don't respect the original look Barks once
>> gave it.
>
> This word "respect" is beginning to give me
> the creeps, Sigvald. As if your repetitive
> "name & reputation" statements weren't enough.
I am very sorry. I didn't mean to insult or annoy anyone by my remarks about
Italian comics.
> Besides, the "Italian" Money Bin looks mostly
> the same as the Barksian Money Bin.
Maybe sometimes, but take a look a panel 1 on page 121 in the last
"Jumbobog". This is on page 1 of the story coded I-2438-6. There you can see
that the "Italian" Money Bin both looks very different from the Barksian
one, both in it's shape and in it's coloring. The Italian Bin even has a
large dome on the top of it.
>> b) The Italians have completely redrawn Miss
>> (Emily) Quackfaster, they either don't like
>> or they don't respect the original look Barks
>> once gave her. Or perhaps $crooge's secretary
>> in the Italian stories is a new character?
>
> I don't think she is a new character as such,
> but she has indeed developed a little bit.
> Sigvald, please try to understand that many
> subordinary characters do change as time
> changes. The original Rockerduck as presented
> by Barks in the 60s has developed into one of
> the most significant and important character
> in the Italian stories.
Yes, but that's OK because Barks didn't use him anymore. On the other hand I
don't appreciate versions of Flintheart Glomgold that contradicts the
standards set by Barks ? like him living in Limpopo Valley in South Africa
and having his own Money Bin with a pound sterling sign on it. That's
because Barks used that character a few times in his long stories and thus
IMO sat his standards.
> Characters *do* develop, Sigvald.
I know that, but I also know that not all development is to the better.
Sigvald
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
The Google-WEB Poll - Improved version
Message 395 -
2003-08-16 at 23:05:55
S?ren Krarup Olesen <raptus at stofanet.dk> wrote:
> Your analysis doesn't prove much, Sigvald, and
> your conclusion is based on many more
> assumptions than mentioned in your "Possible"
> errors.." paragraph.
>
> If I did a similar search on "Osama Bin Laden"
> and compared that to our Danish prime minister
> "Anders Fogh Rasmussen", the outcome would be
> (according to your so-called "scientific"
> method) that Bin Laden is a much more popular
> guy compared to Anders.
But the two are *not* comparable. The first is a extreme and evil terrorist,
the second a well respected politician. Thus they are mentioned on the net
for different reasons.
It's my assumption that Disney creators is a group of comparable individuals
who would be mentioned in the internet for the same reason. The more popular
they are the more they are mentioned.
> Did your study in history include any courses
> in statistics or how to gather public opinions?
No I don't have any such course. I used some statistics though. I did that
by using SPSS as a tool to help me analyse the frequencies of various types
of cases, etc. that I registered from old justice protocols from the period
1616-1642.
Sigvald
> Your analysis doesn't prove much, Sigvald, and
> your conclusion is based on many more
> assumptions than mentioned in your "Possible"
> errors.." paragraph.
>
> If I did a similar search on "Osama Bin Laden"
> and compared that to our Danish prime minister
> "Anders Fogh Rasmussen", the outcome would be
> (according to your so-called "scientific"
> method) that Bin Laden is a much more popular
> guy compared to Anders.
But the two are *not* comparable. The first is a extreme and evil terrorist,
the second a well respected politician. Thus they are mentioned on the net
for different reasons.
It's my assumption that Disney creators is a group of comparable individuals
who would be mentioned in the internet for the same reason. The more popular
they are the more they are mentioned.
> Did your study in history include any courses
> in statistics or how to gather public opinions?
No I don't have any such course. I used some statistics though. I did that
by using SPSS as a tool to help me analyse the frequencies of various types
of cases, etc. that I registered from old justice protocols from the period
1616-1642.
Sigvald
Francesco Spreafico
Italian version vs American version of Duckburg
Message 396 -
2003-08-16 at 23:13:01
Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr. wrote:
> Maybe sometimes, but take a look a panel 1 on page 121 in the last
> "Jumbobog". This is on page 1 of the story coded I-2438-6. There you
> can see that the "Italian" Money Bin both looks very different from
> the Barksian one, both in it's shape and in it's coloring. The
> Italian Bin even has a large dome on the top of it.
The large dome was created by Scarpa in 1965 (I TL 511-A "Paperino e
l'aurite acuta"), so the other authors who use it are paying respect to him
8-)
Seriously, the dome had been there since then, and has now become normal to
place it at the top of the bin, even outside Italy I guess.
Francesco
http://www.dimensionedelta.net/scarpa/
> Maybe sometimes, but take a look a panel 1 on page 121 in the last
> "Jumbobog". This is on page 1 of the story coded I-2438-6. There you
> can see that the "Italian" Money Bin both looks very different from
> the Barksian one, both in it's shape and in it's coloring. The
> Italian Bin even has a large dome on the top of it.
The large dome was created by Scarpa in 1965 (I TL 511-A "Paperino e
l'aurite acuta"), so the other authors who use it are paying respect to him
8-)
Seriously, the dome had been there since then, and has now become normal to
place it at the top of the bin, even outside Italy I guess.
Francesco
http://www.dimensionedelta.net/scarpa/
JTorci3511
Does the DCML have an official administrator?
Message 397 -
2003-08-16 at 23:20:11
Does the DCML have an official administrator? If so, would he or she please
contact me by private e-mail at JTorci3511 at aol.com
This is an urgent matter, and your cooperation is appreciated. Thank you.
Joe Torcivia.
contact me by private e-mail at JTorci3511 at aol.com
This is an urgent matter, and your cooperation is appreciated. Thank you.
Joe Torcivia.
Søren Krarup Olesen
Two in one
Message 398 -
2003-08-16 at 23:53:54
SIGVALD:
>>> a) The Italians have completely redrawn the Money Bin, they
>>> either don't like or they don't respect the original look Barks
>>> once gave it.
>>
>> This word "respect" is beginning to give me the creeps, Sigvald. As
>> if your repetitive "name & reputation" statements weren't enough.
>
>
> I am very sorry. I didn't mean to insult or annoy anyone by my
> remarks about Italian comics.
Hmmm...I really thought things were made crystal clear this time, but I
failed. Sigvald, I don't care (well I do, but that's beyond this debate)
even if you hate every single Italian story. It's beside the point! It
is your choice of words like "respect", "name and reputation". How can
you stay objective and being "scientific" when you have this burdon on
your shoulders, i.e. to always having to defend certain writers and
artists nomatter what it takes.
Listen, it would be perfectly okay (IMHO), if you stated that you do not
like this or those artists at all. Plain and simple. It is your
accusations about them "not having respect" for Barks etc...
> Maybe sometimes, but take a look a panel 1 on page 121 in the last
> "Jumbobog". This is on page 1 of the story coded I-2438-6. There you
> can see that the "Italian" Money Bin both looks very different from
> the Barksian one, both in it's shape and in it's coloring. The
> Italian Bin even has a large dome on the top of it.
See above. So the fact that some Italians put a dome on top of the money
make them guilty in the uh-so-terrible crime of not (yawn!) "respecting"
Barks. It is too far fetched, Sigvald (IMHO and all that). BTW, I see
nothing wrong in the shape and the colouring--didn't even know that
Barks coloured his own stories.
>> Characters *do* develop, Sigvald.
>
>
> I know that, but I also know that not all development is to the
> better.
And to that I fully agree. However, Rockerduck has developed into a very
interesting character. In Italy (and the places and countries where
these stories are published) Rockerduck is *the* competitor of Scrooge
at least in the pocket books. With Flintheart it's different, I remember
that Carpi used him a few times, but...
>> If I did a similar search on "Osama Bin Laden" and compared that to
>> our Danish prime minister "Anders Fogh Rasmussen", the outcome
>> would be (according to your so-called "scientific" method) that Bin
>> Laden is a much more popular guy compared to Anders.
> But the two are *not* comparable. The first is a extreme and evil
> terrorist, the second a well respected politician. Thus they are
> mentioned on the net for different reasons.
Erm, let's not make Mr. Rasmussen more respected than he is :-) but
apart from that you are right and that is my point. They are mentioned
for two *completely* different reasons and so is many of the names on
your web-poll-analysis. Barks and Rosa are the subject of many many
discussions, and that does NOT necessarily represent a positive
popularity, it merely reflect an interest on the Internet about debating
these artists. And this is why e.g. Olaf rates higher than Tony Strobl.
> It's my assumption that Disney creators is a group of comparable
> individuals who would be mentioned in the internet for the same
> reason. The more popular they are the more they are mentioned.
...and that is a bad assumption. Hope I can leave out that "IMHO", if I
write something, or postulate something is will of course always be in
my humble opinion...
S?ren
>>> a) The Italians have completely redrawn the Money Bin, they
>>> either don't like or they don't respect the original look Barks
>>> once gave it.
>>
>> This word "respect" is beginning to give me the creeps, Sigvald. As
>> if your repetitive "name & reputation" statements weren't enough.
>
>
> I am very sorry. I didn't mean to insult or annoy anyone by my
> remarks about Italian comics.
Hmmm...I really thought things were made crystal clear this time, but I
failed. Sigvald, I don't care (well I do, but that's beyond this debate)
even if you hate every single Italian story. It's beside the point! It
is your choice of words like "respect", "name and reputation". How can
you stay objective and being "scientific" when you have this burdon on
your shoulders, i.e. to always having to defend certain writers and
artists nomatter what it takes.
Listen, it would be perfectly okay (IMHO), if you stated that you do not
like this or those artists at all. Plain and simple. It is your
accusations about them "not having respect" for Barks etc...
> Maybe sometimes, but take a look a panel 1 on page 121 in the last
> "Jumbobog". This is on page 1 of the story coded I-2438-6. There you
> can see that the "Italian" Money Bin both looks very different from
> the Barksian one, both in it's shape and in it's coloring. The
> Italian Bin even has a large dome on the top of it.
See above. So the fact that some Italians put a dome on top of the money
make them guilty in the uh-so-terrible crime of not (yawn!) "respecting"
Barks. It is too far fetched, Sigvald (IMHO and all that). BTW, I see
nothing wrong in the shape and the colouring--didn't even know that
Barks coloured his own stories.
>> Characters *do* develop, Sigvald.
>
>
> I know that, but I also know that not all development is to the
> better.
And to that I fully agree. However, Rockerduck has developed into a very
interesting character. In Italy (and the places and countries where
these stories are published) Rockerduck is *the* competitor of Scrooge
at least in the pocket books. With Flintheart it's different, I remember
that Carpi used him a few times, but...
>> If I did a similar search on "Osama Bin Laden" and compared that to
>> our Danish prime minister "Anders Fogh Rasmussen", the outcome
>> would be (according to your so-called "scientific" method) that Bin
>> Laden is a much more popular guy compared to Anders.
> But the two are *not* comparable. The first is a extreme and evil
> terrorist, the second a well respected politician. Thus they are
> mentioned on the net for different reasons.
Erm, let's not make Mr. Rasmussen more respected than he is :-) but
apart from that you are right and that is my point. They are mentioned
for two *completely* different reasons and so is many of the names on
your web-poll-analysis. Barks and Rosa are the subject of many many
discussions, and that does NOT necessarily represent a positive
popularity, it merely reflect an interest on the Internet about debating
these artists. And this is why e.g. Olaf rates higher than Tony Strobl.
> It's my assumption that Disney creators is a group of comparable
> individuals who would be mentioned in the internet for the same
> reason. The more popular they are the more they are mentioned.
...and that is a bad assumption. Hope I can leave out that "IMHO", if I
write something, or postulate something is will of course always be in
my humble opinion...
S?ren
Roy Kooijman
The Google-WEB Poll - Improved version
Message 399 -
2003-08-17 at 00:28:19
Sigvald:
The most popular artist based on your "scientific" google method seems far
superior to the others, although he did write only a few comics :-)
Walt Disney 1.390.000 hits
-- Roy :-)
The most popular artist based on your "scientific" google method seems far
superior to the others, although he did write only a few comics :-)
Walt Disney 1.390.000 hits
-- Roy :-)
Madame Jennifer Inantaz
Thank you for converting scrubbed e-mail
Message 400 -
2003-08-17 at 00:53:39
Thanks daniel for de-scrubbing my e-mail! I don't know if this will get
through, but I turned off Rich Text.
Forgive me for the long, and rather unorganized e-mail. My brain was on the
fritz that day. I was tired and, feeling zaney at the same time.
Thanks again, and nice topic by the way.
Love to you all.
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through, but I turned off Rich Text.
Forgive me for the long, and rather unorganized e-mail. My brain was on the
fritz that day. I was tired and, feeling zaney at the same time.
Thanks again, and nice topic by the way.
Love to you all.
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Olaf Solstrand
My popularity compared to Murry's - and a matter of disrespect
Message 401 -
2003-08-17 at 01:31:07
OK, where to start...
Ah, yes...
Daniel wrote:
> "I've lots of things to do, and I shouldn't be behind the
> computer now. I can't stand the temptation, though. Help!
> Can you all stop writing for a few hours? Thank you very
> much! :-)"
Hmm... sure... why not... Yeah, right! Sorry, Daniel, some of us just can't
resist it! So I'm writing my letter anyway. But please don't tell Santa.
Also, I'm writing this because I know it will make me a much more popular
Disney artist. Why is that? Well, one more DCML post gives one more Google hit.
I'm thinking of making a million pages containing nothing but my name now, all
linked to each other and available in Google. That way, I will be more popular
than _CARL BARKS_!
Sigvald, just like you I enjoy testing something's popularity by searching for
it in Google. But these numbers couldn't be less scientific. I tried looking
through some of the hits one got by searching for "Olaf Solstrand", and most of
them were... Well, NOT Disney-related. Thus, when you say "It's my assumption
that Disney creators is a group of comparable individuals who would be
mentioned in the internet for the same reason. The more popular they are the
more they are mentioned" - please leave me out of those statistics.
Your poll shows me to be more popular than Paul Murry. Please keep in mind that
1) I'm an active user of the Internet. Paul Murry isn't.
2) I sign everything I write, both on DCML and on other places, with my full
name.
3) I DO have other interests than Disney comics, so many of these pages are
about other things, like student politics or creating web pages. As Disney
comics is what Paul Murry is known for, not many web pages containing the
text "Paul Murry" are non-Disney-related.
4) Most of these pages are discussion posts etcetera written by me or someone
replying to me. That does not at all mean that _I_ am what is being discussed.
Please, keep on googling. Google is a powerful tool and a powerful toy. But
don't take things like this too seriously. When comparing legends like Murry
and newbies like me, please keep in mind that I _do_ sign a lot of things
myself, and that I _do_ have other interests which may be online containing my
name. Thus, using a google search only can NOT be seen as a scientific way of
measuring popularity (although, I must confess I love searching for myself in
Google, and I feel a little more popular every time I find something written by
someone other than me - am I the only one?). As I said - a powerful toy, as
long as you don't take it all TOO serious.
Also: Remember that people talking about you is not the same as people liking
you. As S?ren said, Osama Bin Laden makes dreadfully many hits in Google. But
as a human being, how _popular_ is he? A lot of people talk about him, but that
does not mean a lot of people would want him for president... or Danish Prime
Minister, to follow that example. So, keep in mind: You have not only counted
those who LIKE Carl Barks, you have also counted those who DON'T like Carl
Barks.
Another question for Sigvald while I'm on the roll:
> c) The Italians have introduced their own characters:
> James, Brigitta, etc.
...and you think this shows disrespect of Barks? But... don't EVERYBODY use own
characters? Does Don Rosa show disrespect of Barks for using Le Chavalier Noir
in a few stories? Are D-coded stories featuring Oona or Sonny Seagull
disrespectful to Barks? Was I disrespectful to Barks when I wrote a story
containing a farmer never seen in a Barks story? Was Carl Barks disrespectful
against Disney Comics when giving Donald an uncle Scrooge?
Uhm... Then I must have misunderstood something. I thought respect was a good
thing. I see now that I am wrong. I hope to one day be as disrespected as Carl
Barks was! Sigvald, these people loved the universe Carl Barks created enough
to DEVELOP it! If that's disrespect, bring it on - I love it!
Olaf the Blue
Ah, yes...
Daniel wrote:
> "I've lots of things to do, and I shouldn't be behind the
> computer now. I can't stand the temptation, though. Help!
> Can you all stop writing for a few hours? Thank you very
> much! :-)"
Hmm... sure... why not... Yeah, right! Sorry, Daniel, some of us just can't
resist it! So I'm writing my letter anyway. But please don't tell Santa.
Also, I'm writing this because I know it will make me a much more popular
Disney artist. Why is that? Well, one more DCML post gives one more Google hit.
I'm thinking of making a million pages containing nothing but my name now, all
linked to each other and available in Google. That way, I will be more popular
than _CARL BARKS_!
Sigvald, just like you I enjoy testing something's popularity by searching for
it in Google. But these numbers couldn't be less scientific. I tried looking
through some of the hits one got by searching for "Olaf Solstrand", and most of
them were... Well, NOT Disney-related. Thus, when you say "It's my assumption
that Disney creators is a group of comparable individuals who would be
mentioned in the internet for the same reason. The more popular they are the
more they are mentioned" - please leave me out of those statistics.
Your poll shows me to be more popular than Paul Murry. Please keep in mind that
1) I'm an active user of the Internet. Paul Murry isn't.
2) I sign everything I write, both on DCML and on other places, with my full
name.
3) I DO have other interests than Disney comics, so many of these pages are
about other things, like student politics or creating web pages. As Disney
comics is what Paul Murry is known for, not many web pages containing the
text "Paul Murry" are non-Disney-related.
4) Most of these pages are discussion posts etcetera written by me or someone
replying to me. That does not at all mean that _I_ am what is being discussed.
Please, keep on googling. Google is a powerful tool and a powerful toy. But
don't take things like this too seriously. When comparing legends like Murry
and newbies like me, please keep in mind that I _do_ sign a lot of things
myself, and that I _do_ have other interests which may be online containing my
name. Thus, using a google search only can NOT be seen as a scientific way of
measuring popularity (although, I must confess I love searching for myself in
Google, and I feel a little more popular every time I find something written by
someone other than me - am I the only one?). As I said - a powerful toy, as
long as you don't take it all TOO serious.
Also: Remember that people talking about you is not the same as people liking
you. As S?ren said, Osama Bin Laden makes dreadfully many hits in Google. But
as a human being, how _popular_ is he? A lot of people talk about him, but that
does not mean a lot of people would want him for president... or Danish Prime
Minister, to follow that example. So, keep in mind: You have not only counted
those who LIKE Carl Barks, you have also counted those who DON'T like Carl
Barks.
Another question for Sigvald while I'm on the roll:
> c) The Italians have introduced their own characters:
> James, Brigitta, etc.
...and you think this shows disrespect of Barks? But... don't EVERYBODY use own
characters? Does Don Rosa show disrespect of Barks for using Le Chavalier Noir
in a few stories? Are D-coded stories featuring Oona or Sonny Seagull
disrespectful to Barks? Was I disrespectful to Barks when I wrote a story
containing a farmer never seen in a Barks story? Was Carl Barks disrespectful
against Disney Comics when giving Donald an uncle Scrooge?
Uhm... Then I must have misunderstood something. I thought respect was a good
thing. I see now that I am wrong. I hope to one day be as disrespected as Carl
Barks was! Sigvald, these people loved the universe Carl Barks created enough
to DEVELOP it! If that's disrespect, bring it on - I love it!
Olaf the Blue
Katie Sullivan
Webpolls
Message 402 -
2003-08-17 at 01:50:43
Sigvald wrote:
>I *may be wrong* but I have got a vague impression that those
>who are most
>critical to my Google-WEB poll is the same that are most
>critical to Don
>Rosa, thus they may not be to happy to see him being successful
>in such polls.
I didn't stick my foot in earlier, but I don't put much stock in
web-polls or "Google fights," either. They're amusing and give
you some idea of how well-known and talked about a certain
person or subject is, but there's nothing scientific about them.
My sociology course in college talked about polling and how the
results are skewed, etc, as did one of my algebra classes. So
I'm wary of statistics like that. There's nothing wrong with
doing web polls or Google comparisons like that for fun and
curiosity, but it's not scientific.
And I am a HUGE fan of Rosa! But then you did say you might be
wrong. ;)
Katie Sullivan
http://www.sullivanet.com/
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>I *may be wrong* but I have got a vague impression that those
>who are most
>critical to my Google-WEB poll is the same that are most
>critical to Don
>Rosa, thus they may not be to happy to see him being successful
>in such polls.
I didn't stick my foot in earlier, but I don't put much stock in
web-polls or "Google fights," either. They're amusing and give
you some idea of how well-known and talked about a certain
person or subject is, but there's nothing scientific about them.
My sociology course in college talked about polling and how the
results are skewed, etc, as did one of my algebra classes. So
I'm wary of statistics like that. There's nothing wrong with
doing web polls or Google comparisons like that for fun and
curiosity, but it's not scientific.
And I am a HUGE fan of Rosa! But then you did say you might be
wrong. ;)
Katie Sullivan
http://www.sullivanet.com/
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Eric Chun
Madame Jennifer Inantaz's favourite things
Message 403 -
2003-08-17 at 03:51:06
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Daniel Van Eijmeren
Timo's bumble bee
Message 404 -
2003-08-17 at 14:22:05
TIMO RONKAINEN to me, 16-08-2003:
>> I think you made a typo. This is the text in panel 1.1:
> Oops! And I've used this for years without noticing this
> little typo!
Nevermind. Maybe it's because you have a life? :-)
--- Dani?l, the Digital Monk
>> I think you made a typo. This is the text in panel 1.1:
> Oops! And I've used this for years without noticing this
> little typo!
Nevermind. Maybe it's because you have a life? :-)
--- Dani?l, the Digital Monk
Klartekst
Marco Rota suggestion
Message 405 -
2003-08-17 at 15:01:30
<It's almost weekend. Maybe there will be some nice reading tips
for Marco Rota stories, which would make a nice collection beside
a hammock in a sunny garden?>
Well, the weekend is almost over but if the hot weather lasts, may
I suggest you take along "The Hada's House" (D 97380) the next time
you go to the beach? It will give you a chill.
Nils form Norway
for Marco Rota stories, which would make a nice collection beside
a hammock in a sunny garden?>
Well, the weekend is almost over but if the hot weather lasts, may
I suggest you take along "The Hada's House" (D 97380) the next time
you go to the beach? It will give you a chill.
Nils form Norway