It's been discussed at length here before, but I don't recall ever
seeing a final tally for reference.
The Topic: Where does Mickey live according to your Disney publications?
No, it was never really asked that way, but it was the jist of the
discussion.
In the USA, we typically designate that Mickey, Goofy, Clarabelle and
Pluto all live in Mouseton (formerly also known as Mouseville).
I am certainly aware that in many other countries Mickey and the gang
live in the same town as Donald & Uncle Scrooge, hence, Duckburg.
In Brazil, for instance, Mickey & Donald both live in Duckburg, but it
is better known as Patopolis. In Italy, Mouseton is called Topolinia.
What is Mickey's hometown according to your publications/native tongue?
If it is a variation on Mouseton could you please reply with something like:
ITALY/Italian: Topolinia (Mouseton)
but if it is Duckburg, please answer:
BRAZIL/Portuguese: Patopolis (Duckburg)
I would like to make sure this is expressed clearly in the next version
of HooZoo.
If you don't want to take up bandwidth on the Maing List I would be
happy to collect the info in my personal e-mail box and then I can
present the finding altogether on the List when they cease coming.
Thanks,
Rich Bellacera
xephyr at cwnet.com
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Rich Bellacera
A curiosity Poll for the many nations represented here
Message 166 -
2003-08-11 at 02:10:19
Morten Lied Johansen
Readership figures
Message 167 -
2003-08-11 at 02:28:44
*swooosh* (that's the sound of the cloaking device being turned off. ;)
I managed to get into a friendly debate over readership figures today,
and suddenly was faced with trying to back up my claim that Disney
comics are the most read in the world. Now I'm perfectly aware that I
might be wrong, but I couldn't just admit to such a thing without
fierce resistance... hence this mail. ;)
Now, my challenge is this... my opponent mentioned the SpiderMan comics
as a challenger, quoting 100 million readers. After some prodding, I
managed to find out that his figure was the number of units (for lack of
a better word) sold in a year, which I'm not sure would be a good basis
for determining how many people are reading it, but so be it, that was
my challenge...
My question for the list is therefore this:
How many units of disney comics are sold worldwide in a year? Does
anyone know? I tried some quick searches to find some numbers, but
didn't really get any usable results.
--
Morten
Enter any 11-digit prime number to continue.
I managed to get into a friendly debate over readership figures today,
and suddenly was faced with trying to back up my claim that Disney
comics are the most read in the world. Now I'm perfectly aware that I
might be wrong, but I couldn't just admit to such a thing without
fierce resistance... hence this mail. ;)
Now, my challenge is this... my opponent mentioned the SpiderMan comics
as a challenger, quoting 100 million readers. After some prodding, I
managed to find out that his figure was the number of units (for lack of
a better word) sold in a year, which I'm not sure would be a good basis
for determining how many people are reading it, but so be it, that was
my challenge...
My question for the list is therefore this:
How many units of disney comics are sold worldwide in a year? Does
anyone know? I tried some quick searches to find some numbers, but
didn't really get any usable results.
--
Morten
Enter any 11-digit prime number to continue.
Rich Bellacera
Name changes
Message 168 -
2003-08-11 at 02:40:46
Katie said:
> Frankly, I would just be thrilled that there was a new story featuring one of my all-time favorite characters! :)
I guess you're right. I, too woul be happy to see Goldie again, even if
her name wasn't "O'Gilt." though I do like consistency in naming, at
least where one country's version is concerned. I certainly hope that
the issue of naming Miss Quackfaster "Florence" rather than "Emily" was
merely an oversight rather than some sort of inhouse dispute (as SV
suggests). I would also hope that Goldie's name continues by other
creators to be "O'Gilt" at least in the USA... However, there is the
possibility that names that are NOT written in stone, such as
Quackfaster's first name or Goldie's last name, are open to personal
interpretation until ordered by THE COMPANY to conform to one consistent
name.
It is odd that there is a difference between names in British "English"
and American "English" (and we might even add Egmont "English," too).
With Egmont English, we have names such as Kildare Coot for the Italian
character of Donald's cousin Sgrizzo Papero, but Kildare has never
appeared in an American comic, and I'm not sure if he's appeared in a
British one either. And I think Kildare's chubby photographer friend's
name is Andy Lenscap (Italian: Vincenzo Paperica) even though he's never
appeared in the US either. Same goes for Dickie Duck (Paperetta Ye-Ye)
even though we can actually credit the creator for her English name
here, and Dugan Duck (Biquinho), or Trudy or Sonny Seagull, .. and the
list goes on....
If a story is printed by Gemstone featuring a character never seen in a
US comic, would they be obligated to use the Egmont or, if known, the
British name, for the character??? Would Morty & Ferdie's mother be
called Felicity? Would Bella Quack be called Belle Duck? Would Atomino
Bip-Bip be called Atomo Bleep-Bleep?
Even though I get the joke surrounding Doctor Einmug (Einstein), I like
Dr. Enigma better. I'm glad Doc Static remained Doc Static in the
recently published "SpiderMouse" comic as I can't recall any other
comics published by Gladstone with Doc Static (though there might have
been).
It's amazing how the naming of Minnie's twin nieces was resolved to
Melody & Millie in the US without even another story featuring them ever
being published here! LOL!
I guess I started the name debate when I was surprised by the "Florence"
name, but I was only asking for thoughts on why the name was changed,
and certainly NOT making accusations in the process. I didn't know that
Don Rosa was the only creator to ever use the name Emily, and since he
basically does ignore many other characters (Rumpus McFowl, Gideon
McDuck, etc.), I can see why his work might be considered even a
sub-universe within the greater Duck universe which includes these
characters and even DuckTales ones, hence it's possible that in the
"Rosa-Verse" she is Emily Quackfaster, but in the larger Duck Universe,
she is known in American English as Florence Quackfaster. The same
might be true of Paperinik (Super Donald), called Super Duck in British
English, who is better known as the Duck Avenger in the US since that's
the only version of Super Donald that has ever been published here.
Just some ponderings I have about naming conventions and the sort.
Thanks,
Rich Bellacera
> Frankly, I would just be thrilled that there was a new story featuring one of my all-time favorite characters! :)
I guess you're right. I, too woul be happy to see Goldie again, even if
her name wasn't "O'Gilt." though I do like consistency in naming, at
least where one country's version is concerned. I certainly hope that
the issue of naming Miss Quackfaster "Florence" rather than "Emily" was
merely an oversight rather than some sort of inhouse dispute (as SV
suggests). I would also hope that Goldie's name continues by other
creators to be "O'Gilt" at least in the USA... However, there is the
possibility that names that are NOT written in stone, such as
Quackfaster's first name or Goldie's last name, are open to personal
interpretation until ordered by THE COMPANY to conform to one consistent
name.
It is odd that there is a difference between names in British "English"
and American "English" (and we might even add Egmont "English," too).
With Egmont English, we have names such as Kildare Coot for the Italian
character of Donald's cousin Sgrizzo Papero, but Kildare has never
appeared in an American comic, and I'm not sure if he's appeared in a
British one either. And I think Kildare's chubby photographer friend's
name is Andy Lenscap (Italian: Vincenzo Paperica) even though he's never
appeared in the US either. Same goes for Dickie Duck (Paperetta Ye-Ye)
even though we can actually credit the creator for her English name
here, and Dugan Duck (Biquinho), or Trudy or Sonny Seagull, .. and the
list goes on....
If a story is printed by Gemstone featuring a character never seen in a
US comic, would they be obligated to use the Egmont or, if known, the
British name, for the character??? Would Morty & Ferdie's mother be
called Felicity? Would Bella Quack be called Belle Duck? Would Atomino
Bip-Bip be called Atomo Bleep-Bleep?
Even though I get the joke surrounding Doctor Einmug (Einstein), I like
Dr. Enigma better. I'm glad Doc Static remained Doc Static in the
recently published "SpiderMouse" comic as I can't recall any other
comics published by Gladstone with Doc Static (though there might have
been).
It's amazing how the naming of Minnie's twin nieces was resolved to
Melody & Millie in the US without even another story featuring them ever
being published here! LOL!
I guess I started the name debate when I was surprised by the "Florence"
name, but I was only asking for thoughts on why the name was changed,
and certainly NOT making accusations in the process. I didn't know that
Don Rosa was the only creator to ever use the name Emily, and since he
basically does ignore many other characters (Rumpus McFowl, Gideon
McDuck, etc.), I can see why his work might be considered even a
sub-universe within the greater Duck universe which includes these
characters and even DuckTales ones, hence it's possible that in the
"Rosa-Verse" she is Emily Quackfaster, but in the larger Duck Universe,
she is known in American English as Florence Quackfaster. The same
might be true of Paperinik (Super Donald), called Super Duck in British
English, who is better known as the Duck Avenger in the US since that's
the only version of Super Donald that has ever been published here.
Just some ponderings I have about naming conventions and the sort.
Thanks,
Rich Bellacera
Rich Bellacera
A curiosity Poll for the many nations represented here
Message 169 -
2003-08-11 at 02:58:48
Stefan Persson wrote:
> In the new WDC issue, there's a story where Horace and Clarabell live
> in Duckburg, though.
Yes, and there will doubtlessly be more references to Mickey living in
Duckburg in the future since Gemstone is basically in the business of
reprinting foreign-borne Disney comics (as well as Classics like Barks &
Gottfredsons), so I am going to have to consider that point in the
HooZoo, too. Still, I would probably consider that Mickey and his gang
live in Mouseton as far as the US version of him is concerned. I can
see where this might get confusing to some readers who don't understand
the source of the comic when one month Mickey is living in Mouseton and
the next he's living in Duckburg. Those familiar with the series Goof
Troop might even wonder why Goofy & Pete don't live in Spoonerville, but
that's a different situation altogether. :-)
Rich Bellacera
P.S. Thank you Stefan (and others) for already sending replies! The
Poll's outcome will be interesting, at least for me. :-)
> In the new WDC issue, there's a story where Horace and Clarabell live
> in Duckburg, though.
Yes, and there will doubtlessly be more references to Mickey living in
Duckburg in the future since Gemstone is basically in the business of
reprinting foreign-borne Disney comics (as well as Classics like Barks &
Gottfredsons), so I am going to have to consider that point in the
HooZoo, too. Still, I would probably consider that Mickey and his gang
live in Mouseton as far as the US version of him is concerned. I can
see where this might get confusing to some readers who don't understand
the source of the comic when one month Mickey is living in Mouseton and
the next he's living in Duckburg. Those familiar with the series Goof
Troop might even wonder why Goofy & Pete don't live in Spoonerville, but
that's a different situation altogether. :-)
Rich Bellacera
P.S. Thank you Stefan (and others) for already sending replies! The
Poll's outcome will be interesting, at least for me. :-)
Rob Gibson
Barks and the internet
Message 170 -
2003-08-11 at 09:09:07
A probably irrelevant coincidence: one of the 4 original "Milnet" sites set up
in 1969 was at the University of California at Santa Barbara, located here in
Goleta. Barks lived in Goleta at the time. His "internet" story preceded the
local "Milnet" site founding by 4 or 5 years.
Rob Gibson
in 1969 was at the University of California at Santa Barbara, located here in
Goleta. Barks lived in Goleta at the time. His "internet" story preceded the
local "Milnet" site founding by 4 or 5 years.
Rob Gibson
Kriton Kyrimis
Wicca and religion in the Disney comic
Message 171 -
2003-08-11 at 09:51:40
KATIE:
> This isn't really a very good comparison because no one worships
> Zeus or Odin anymore,
I don't know about Odin, but I understand that there is a revival of the
ancient Greek religion over here, with a small following, not to mention that
elements of ancient Greek worship have survived in Greek christian worship,
mostly in the form of local customs. As for Zeus, in particular, I have heard
that in certain parts of Greece, people still use the expression "Ne Dia", an
archaic expression meaning "by Zeus"!
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"What's the time?"
"The relative measure of state of decay, but that's not important now."
-----
--
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"What's the time?"
"The relative measure of state of decay, but that's not important now."
-----
> This isn't really a very good comparison because no one worships
> Zeus or Odin anymore,
I don't know about Odin, but I understand that there is a revival of the
ancient Greek religion over here, with a small following, not to mention that
elements of ancient Greek worship have survived in Greek christian worship,
mostly in the form of local customs. As for Zeus, in particular, I have heard
that in certain parts of Greece, people still use the expression "Ne Dia", an
archaic expression meaning "by Zeus"!
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"What's the time?"
"The relative measure of state of decay, but that's not important now."
-----
--
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"What's the time?"
"The relative measure of state of decay, but that's not important now."
-----
Kriton Kyrimis
Religion in Shacktown
Message 172 -
2003-08-11 at 10:09:28
DANIEL:
> There were christmas parties before christianity existed, to
> celebrate that the shortest day of the year (21 december) was
> over.
Actually, those christmas parties from before christianity existed were winter
solstice celebrations (neither christmas events, nor parties)!
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"What's the time?"
"The relative measure of state of decay, but that's not important now."
-----
> There were christmas parties before christianity existed, to
> celebrate that the shortest day of the year (21 december) was
> over.
Actually, those christmas parties from before christianity existed were winter
solstice celebrations (neither christmas events, nor parties)!
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"What's the time?"
"The relative measure of state of decay, but that's not important now."
-----
Kriton Kyrimis
Wicca and religions
Message 173 -
2003-08-11 at 10:30:46
I would like to thank Sigvald for informing us that the religion that my
ancestors had followed for millennia, and which was powerful enough for
elements of it to survive in christianity, was actually a pseudo-religion.
By Zeus, I will now convert to one of the religions in his list of "real"
religions, then embark on a campaign to slaughter all unbelievers, as their
religion is obviously a false one (i.e., not the one I follow), and its
members should therefore not be tolerated to live.
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"What's the time?"
"The relative measure of state of decay, but that's not important now."
-----
ancestors had followed for millennia, and which was powerful enough for
elements of it to survive in christianity, was actually a pseudo-religion.
By Zeus, I will now convert to one of the religions in his list of "real"
religions, then embark on a campaign to slaughter all unbelievers, as their
religion is obviously a false one (i.e., not the one I follow), and its
members should therefore not be tolerated to live.
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"What's the time?"
"The relative measure of state of decay, but that's not important now."
-----
Kriton Kyrimis
A curiosity Poll for the many nations represented here
Message 174 -
2003-08-11 at 10:42:26
RICH:
> What is Mickey's hometown according to your publications/native tongue?
GREECE/Greek (actually English, in this case):
Mickey City (Mu-Iota-Kappa-Upsilon Sigma Iota Tau Iota)
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"What's the time?"
"The relative measure of state of decay, but that's not important now."
-----
> What is Mickey's hometown according to your publications/native tongue?
GREECE/Greek (actually English, in this case):
Mickey City (Mu-Iota-Kappa-Upsilon Sigma Iota Tau Iota)
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"What's the time?"
"The relative measure of state of decay, but that's not important now."
-----
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Daniel's comments
Message 175 -
2003-08-11 at 11:45:03
SIGVALD GROSFJELD to me, 11-08-2003:
> Furthermore a good friend who also reads DCML has told me in
> private that there has been enough apologies - now it is a
> real improvement in my style that is required.
Go for it, then.
>> Well, I'm glad that you see that you may at least be ONE problem.
> Well at least some people seems to make me look like a problem here.
Some people are trying to make clear that you *do* make problems.
>> The heated atmosphere is mainly caused by your on-going bombing on
>> this mailing list.
> This is *not* true, at least not this time.
I disagree. But if you take care of all the *other* times of bombing,
it's fine with me.
>> I really don't care how [this thread] will end, Sigvald. I'm way
>> past that point. I just want to have this on-going problem solved.
>> That's my concern.
> Well, I guess that you can help solving "this on-going problem" by
> not taking this dispute to far.
I don't intend to go too far. I just want to have this on-going problem
solved. That's far enough.
--- Dani?l
> Furthermore a good friend who also reads DCML has told me in
> private that there has been enough apologies - now it is a
> real improvement in my style that is required.
Go for it, then.
>> Well, I'm glad that you see that you may at least be ONE problem.
> Well at least some people seems to make me look like a problem here.
Some people are trying to make clear that you *do* make problems.
>> The heated atmosphere is mainly caused by your on-going bombing on
>> this mailing list.
> This is *not* true, at least not this time.
I disagree. But if you take care of all the *other* times of bombing,
it's fine with me.
>> I really don't care how [this thread] will end, Sigvald. I'm way
>> past that point. I just want to have this on-going problem solved.
>> That's my concern.
> Well, I guess that you can help solving "this on-going problem" by
> not taking this dispute to far.
I don't intend to go too far. I just want to have this on-going problem
solved. That's far enough.
--- Dani?l
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Sigvald and (his new windmill) Blum
Message 176 -
2003-08-11 at 12:28:51
SIGVALD GROSFJELD to me, 11-08-2003:
>> "If (Rosa) wants to do (old-fashioned) stories set in the (1950s)
>> he should come up with his own ideas and not use Barks' name to
>> get attention. From what I have read on DCML before (Rosa) uses
>> vague ideas from Barks as basis for his stories apparently in
>> order to get attention."
>>
>> See? Doesn't sound very nice and reasonable, does it?
> No, it doesn't look reasonable, because it isn't reasonable.
Then don't say such things about other people, like Geoffrey Blum.
> Fact is that Don Rosa's stories are marketed as just that: stories
> by "Don Rosa". The G. Blum story published in DD&Co last year was
> marketed as some kind of a new Barks-story which it IMO wasn't.
And you think that Blum is to blame for the marketing of DD&Co?
Anyway, if people who call Barks's name are attention-seekers, then
there are a LOT of "guilty" creators. Including Don Rosa. Maybe you
should stop making such judgements, even more if you pick just one
person out of them?
--- Dani?l
>> "If (Rosa) wants to do (old-fashioned) stories set in the (1950s)
>> he should come up with his own ideas and not use Barks' name to
>> get attention. From what I have read on DCML before (Rosa) uses
>> vague ideas from Barks as basis for his stories apparently in
>> order to get attention."
>>
>> See? Doesn't sound very nice and reasonable, does it?
> No, it doesn't look reasonable, because it isn't reasonable.
Then don't say such things about other people, like Geoffrey Blum.
> Fact is that Don Rosa's stories are marketed as just that: stories
> by "Don Rosa". The G. Blum story published in DD&Co last year was
> marketed as some kind of a new Barks-story which it IMO wasn't.
And you think that Blum is to blame for the marketing of DD&Co?
Anyway, if people who call Barks's name are attention-seekers, then
there are a LOT of "guilty" creators. Including Don Rosa. Maybe you
should stop making such judgements, even more if you pick just one
person out of them?
--- Dani?l
Lars Jensen
Obscure character
Message 177 -
2003-08-11 at 12:37:35
Does anybody here have a picture of obscure Duck Tales character
Vacation Van Hump? And if so, would that person do me a favor and send
me a scan?
Lars
Vacation Van Hump? And if so, would that person do me a favor and send
me a scan?
Lars
Lars Jensen
Barks and internet
Message 178 -
2003-08-11 at 12:42:23
Daniël van Eijmeren wrote:
>> ["The Many Faces of Magica De Spell", US 48] The Bird Telegraph,
>> to me anyway, simply comes off as the bird equivalent of the
>> "Twilight Bark" from Disney's "101 Dalmatians" (1961).
>
> Interesting, I didn't think of that. Could there be a connection
> between Barks's story and the movie?
You mean, did Barks rip off "101 Dalmatians"? I have no idea whether he
even saw that movie, so I can't help you there.
> Or has the idea been used before?
Well, American natives used smoke signals. I believe the ancient Greeks
(Romans?) used large fires to signal whether a war had been won. And I
suspect humans since the dawn of time has used the concept of verbally
"asking around".
I have no idea who first thought of giving animals their own formalized
(fictional) "asking around" system, though.
Lars
>> ["The Many Faces of Magica De Spell", US 48] The Bird Telegraph,
>> to me anyway, simply comes off as the bird equivalent of the
>> "Twilight Bark" from Disney's "101 Dalmatians" (1961).
>
> Interesting, I didn't think of that. Could there be a connection
> between Barks's story and the movie?
You mean, did Barks rip off "101 Dalmatians"? I have no idea whether he
even saw that movie, so I can't help you there.
> Or has the idea been used before?
Well, American natives used smoke signals. I believe the ancient Greeks
(Romans?) used large fires to signal whether a war had been won. And I
suspect humans since the dawn of time has used the concept of verbally
"asking around".
I have no idea who first thought of giving animals their own formalized
(fictional) "asking around" system, though.
Lars
Gunnarsson, Joakim SE - HMJ
Opinions on Blum, barks etc.
Message 179 -
2003-08-11 at 15:11:38
Sigvald wrote:
> Fact is that Don Rosa's stories are marketed as just that: stories by "Don
> Rosa". The G. Blum story published in DD&Co last year was marketed as some
> kind of a new Barks-story which it IMO wasn't.
>
Do you mean the dime story?
Well, it was based upon an idea by Barks.
And it doesn't matter if it's your opinion or whatever.
Personally I'm very fond of stories by Blum, Barks and Rosa.
All three of them makes (In Barks case, obviously, "made". ) well
crafted stories that I really enjoy reading.
Please do not forget that it's fun to read comics. The fights on
this list are really sad and pathetic.
Enjoy the good stories produced by these fine creators and if you
don't like something that they do or don't,
just have a beer and enjoy the weather or something.
Life is way too short for fighting and arguing about drawn ducks.
Cheers!
/Joakim.
> Fact is that Don Rosa's stories are marketed as just that: stories by "Don
> Rosa". The G. Blum story published in DD&Co last year was marketed as some
> kind of a new Barks-story which it IMO wasn't.
>
Do you mean the dime story?
Well, it was based upon an idea by Barks.
And it doesn't matter if it's your opinion or whatever.
Personally I'm very fond of stories by Blum, Barks and Rosa.
All three of them makes (In Barks case, obviously, "made". ) well
crafted stories that I really enjoy reading.
Please do not forget that it's fun to read comics. The fights on
this list are really sad and pathetic.
Enjoy the good stories produced by these fine creators and if you
don't like something that they do or don't,
just have a beer and enjoy the weather or something.
Life is way too short for fighting and arguing about drawn ducks.
Cheers!
/Joakim.
Fabio Blanco
RV: The Lost Duchtman's mine
Message 180 -
2003-08-11 at 16:57:31
Hey, I was enjoyed the comic and the Don Rosa article about The Lost Duchtman's mine. Hey Don, I think you'll would make some reference to the Moebiu's Lt. Blueberry adventure with the same title (le mine du allemand perdu) and theme. I think that you mention sometimes... I'm wrong?
FABIO
bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar
FABIO
bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar