Katie Sullivan wrote:
> "Katie Sullivan" produced a result of 1,920 hits.
"Francesco Spreafico" gives 1,510... the funny part is that they're all me.
I guess I should get out and get a life... :-)
(There is also a scary part... the one in which I try an image Google search
with my name... and there comes my face, I guess google should put a filter
for such things... :-P )
--
Laz
http://www.dimensionedelta.net
"We're going to bring him back as a mummy" ~Joss
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Lazarus Long
Google hilarity
Message 511 -
2003-08-20 at 02:00:47
Cord Wiljes
AW: Google hilarity
Message 512 -
2003-08-20 at 02:03:55
Katie wrote:
> Oh well, could be worse... I could be a guy named "John Smith"
> and get 379,000 hits! He must be very very popular! ;-)
He got all those hits in "Matrix Reloaded". Here is a visual
representation by Sergio Aragones (published in Mad 432):
http://www.wiljes.de/images/fun/matrix_reloaded_aragones.gif
Cord
> Oh well, could be worse... I could be a guy named "John Smith"
> and get 379,000 hits! He must be very very popular! ;-)
He got all those hits in "Matrix Reloaded". Here is a visual
representation by Sergio Aragones (published in Mad 432):
http://www.wiljes.de/images/fun/matrix_reloaded_aragones.gif
Cord
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Geography in Luck of the North
Message 513 -
2003-08-20 at 02:08:33
Hi all!
This summer I brought a quiz with me to the summer-meeting of the Danish
Donaldist Society. One of the sections in this quiz was about geography in
Barks' stories. The task was to tell what real place/country the Ducks went
to in 10 different stories ? one place/country in each story. One of these
stories was FC 256-2 ? "Luck of the North". Afterwards, when I told everyone
the correct answers, David Gerstein surprised everyone by telling us that in
the US-version of this story the Ducks is said to go Alaska ? not to
Greenland as told in the Nordic prints of this story.
Afterwards I looked up that particular story in Soeren Haagerup's nice b/W
CBL-library and really saw Alaska mentioned there. The position mentioned in
the map Doanld drew for Gladstone was also different from the one mentioned
in the Scandinavian version of the story. Later I have checked the
COA-database
(http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/W+OS++256-02//Luck_+of_+the_+North_)
where I have found that in the version printed in several European countries
(Germany, France and The Netherlands) the Ducks neither go to Greenland nor
to Alaska, instead they seems to go the North Pole itself ? and that's also
the place used in COA's story description. (My guess is thus that that
description is written by our friend Harry Fluks). In Italy the title seems
to focus on the Viking treasure so I can't say where the Ducks are going in
that version.
So, what's correct then? Normally I'd say that the original version is
correct, but this time I am not sure about that at all. Not that I don't
trust Barks. It's just that I have this strange feeling that the US
publisher's for some reason may have altered/censored this story at this
point.
As no version (AFAIK) uses a fictious place ? the correct identity of the
place should be possible to determine by reading and study the story
carefully. First we should agree that the Ducks NEVER reach the North Pole,
nor the Polar icecap. What they do is:
a) Going to a populated area somewhere in the north.
b) Continuing out in the polar sea in kayaks.
So, what possibilities that IMO are left is Alaska and Greenland. What facts
does the US-print of this story provide to help us point out one of these
places as the correct one?
a) The name and position on the map points out Alaska.
b) The natives live in igloo's (ice-houses) *not* in wooden houses.
c) The natives are using Kayaks when they travel at sea.
d) The natives are drawn like, dressed like and are called Eskimos.
e) At sea the Ducks find an iceberg with a Viking-ship frozen in it.
So what does this tell us? The facts mentioned in a) are easily changeable
and ARE changed in the European versions compared to the US-one. Thus IMO
this really tells us nothing.
b), c) and d) does IMO clearly point towards Greenland.
Even though it's theoretical possible for an iceberg to drift of from
Greenland to the Alaska area it doesn't seem very plausible. But if that was
barks' idea I find it strange that it doesn?t confuse the Ducks to discover
a Viking-ship in an area the Vikings as far as is known, never visited or
explored. Thus IMO also e) clearly seems to point out Greenland as the land
in the north that is shown in "Luck of the North".
This leave us with some interesting questions.
- Did Barks mess up with some geographical facts in this story? (This was an
early story - made in 1949 ? how big was his collection of National
Geographic by then?)
- Did someone for some reason alter the US version of this story?
Well, I don't know, but what IMO is pretty sure though is that the
INDUCKS/COA presentation of this story needs to be updated.
Sigvald
This summer I brought a quiz with me to the summer-meeting of the Danish
Donaldist Society. One of the sections in this quiz was about geography in
Barks' stories. The task was to tell what real place/country the Ducks went
to in 10 different stories ? one place/country in each story. One of these
stories was FC 256-2 ? "Luck of the North". Afterwards, when I told everyone
the correct answers, David Gerstein surprised everyone by telling us that in
the US-version of this story the Ducks is said to go Alaska ? not to
Greenland as told in the Nordic prints of this story.
Afterwards I looked up that particular story in Soeren Haagerup's nice b/W
CBL-library and really saw Alaska mentioned there. The position mentioned in
the map Doanld drew for Gladstone was also different from the one mentioned
in the Scandinavian version of the story. Later I have checked the
COA-database
(http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/W+OS++256-02//Luck_+of_+the_+North_)
where I have found that in the version printed in several European countries
(Germany, France and The Netherlands) the Ducks neither go to Greenland nor
to Alaska, instead they seems to go the North Pole itself ? and that's also
the place used in COA's story description. (My guess is thus that that
description is written by our friend Harry Fluks). In Italy the title seems
to focus on the Viking treasure so I can't say where the Ducks are going in
that version.
So, what's correct then? Normally I'd say that the original version is
correct, but this time I am not sure about that at all. Not that I don't
trust Barks. It's just that I have this strange feeling that the US
publisher's for some reason may have altered/censored this story at this
point.
As no version (AFAIK) uses a fictious place ? the correct identity of the
place should be possible to determine by reading and study the story
carefully. First we should agree that the Ducks NEVER reach the North Pole,
nor the Polar icecap. What they do is:
a) Going to a populated area somewhere in the north.
b) Continuing out in the polar sea in kayaks.
So, what possibilities that IMO are left is Alaska and Greenland. What facts
does the US-print of this story provide to help us point out one of these
places as the correct one?
a) The name and position on the map points out Alaska.
b) The natives live in igloo's (ice-houses) *not* in wooden houses.
c) The natives are using Kayaks when they travel at sea.
d) The natives are drawn like, dressed like and are called Eskimos.
e) At sea the Ducks find an iceberg with a Viking-ship frozen in it.
So what does this tell us? The facts mentioned in a) are easily changeable
and ARE changed in the European versions compared to the US-one. Thus IMO
this really tells us nothing.
b), c) and d) does IMO clearly point towards Greenland.
Even though it's theoretical possible for an iceberg to drift of from
Greenland to the Alaska area it doesn't seem very plausible. But if that was
barks' idea I find it strange that it doesn?t confuse the Ducks to discover
a Viking-ship in an area the Vikings as far as is known, never visited or
explored. Thus IMO also e) clearly seems to point out Greenland as the land
in the north that is shown in "Luck of the North".
This leave us with some interesting questions.
- Did Barks mess up with some geographical facts in this story? (This was an
early story - made in 1949 ? how big was his collection of National
Geographic by then?)
- Did someone for some reason alter the US version of this story?
Well, I don't know, but what IMO is pretty sure though is that the
INDUCKS/COA presentation of this story needs to be updated.
Sigvald
SBHSN
Copyright laws
Message 514 -
2003-08-20 at 04:31:37
Cord wrote:
Didn't the copyright at least for the old Gottfredson Mickey Mouse
strips already expire? According to this table
http://www.unc.edu/~unclng/public-d.htm everything which has been
published more than 67 years ago should be. So at least the first six
years of MM cartoons should be public domain by now and it should be
possible to reprint them without asking or paying Disney any licence
fee. Im no lawyer, though, so please do not pin me down to this ;-)
I could be very mistaken, but I am under the impression that the U.S.
Congress extended the copyright period this year, and I believe the expiration is 100
years. That probably only applies in the USA. Don't flame me if I'm wrong,
though! :-D
Steve in Austin
Didn't the copyright at least for the old Gottfredson Mickey Mouse
strips already expire? According to this table
http://www.unc.edu/~unclng/public-d.htm everything which has been
published more than 67 years ago should be. So at least the first six
years of MM cartoons should be public domain by now and it should be
possible to reprint them without asking or paying Disney any licence
fee. Im no lawyer, though, so please do not pin me down to this ;-)
I could be very mistaken, but I am under the impression that the U.S.
Congress extended the copyright period this year, and I believe the expiration is 100
years. That probably only applies in the USA. Don't flame me if I'm wrong,
though! :-D
Steve in Austin
Danehog
Nitpicking Excuses
Message 515 -
2003-08-20 at 05:16:18
Harry Fluks wrote:
>> The ones I've seen are great, featuring cover gags almost as
>> clever as [those! those!] of Barks'.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>
>I had to read this 3 times before I understood what you
>meant, Dane! I had never seen the word "those" written as
>"thoughs" before! And it's only 1 letter away from
>"thoughts", but pronounced very differently...
>(I don't mean to be rude to you or anyone; I just thought
>this was a very funny typo.)
Haha! Thanks for pointing it out!
In this mailing-list in particular, I seem to try to throw together a bunch
of ideas randomly, rather than concentrating on actual sentence structure and
spelling.
Sorry about that, and I must admit that I probably wouldn't catch it if I
went back and read it several times...
This is what you get when you stick an American teenager on DCML.
--
Dane
>> The ones I've seen are great, featuring cover gags almost as
>> clever as [those! those!] of Barks'.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>
>I had to read this 3 times before I understood what you
>meant, Dane! I had never seen the word "those" written as
>"thoughs" before! And it's only 1 letter away from
>"thoughts", but pronounced very differently...
>(I don't mean to be rude to you or anyone; I just thought
>this was a very funny typo.)
Haha! Thanks for pointing it out!
In this mailing-list in particular, I seem to try to throw together a bunch
of ideas randomly, rather than concentrating on actual sentence structure and
spelling.
Sorry about that, and I must admit that I probably wouldn't catch it if I
went back and read it several times...
This is what you get when you stick an American teenager on DCML.
--
Dane
H.W.Fluks
Geography in Luck of the North
Message 516 -
2003-08-20 at 10:54:27
http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/W+OS++256-02//Luck_+of_+the_+North_
> (My guess is thus that that
> description is written by [...] Harry Fluks).
Wrong guess. The description about the North Pole originates in Brazil!
BTW, the magnetic north pole is somewhere in the north of Canada, right between Greenland and Alaska. Maybe that's what the Ducks were heading for, from whichever direction. 8-)
--Harry.
> (My guess is thus that that
> description is written by [...] Harry Fluks).
Wrong guess. The description about the North Pole originates in Brazil!
BTW, the magnetic north pole is somewhere in the north of Canada, right between Greenland and Alaska. Maybe that's what the Ducks were heading for, from whichever direction. 8-)
--Harry.
H.W.Fluks
Harry's walls
Message 517 -
2003-08-20 at 11:20:56
Katie wrote:
> Do you have a scan
> of the drawing itself? I can't quite make out the details, and
> it looks like a great one.
It *is* a great one, and also a *big* one. The sizes of these photocopies are like what we Europeans would call A3. That's way too big for my scanner...
(Maybe the scan of another Rosa drawing with Magica will soften the "pain" a bit:
http://dd50.inducks.org/fotos/j2003/p03-01intro.html
BTW, that one's not on my wall yet. I put it on display on my table.)
--Harry.
> Do you have a scan
> of the drawing itself? I can't quite make out the details, and
> it looks like a great one.
It *is* a great one, and also a *big* one. The sizes of these photocopies are like what we Europeans would call A3. That's way too big for my scanner...
(Maybe the scan of another Rosa drawing with Magica will soften the "pain" a bit:
http://dd50.inducks.org/fotos/j2003/p03-01intro.html
BTW, that one's not on my wall yet. I put it on display on my table.)
--Harry.
Roy Kooijman
Geography in Luck of the North
Message 518 -
2003-08-20 at 12:59:09
Sigvald wrote:
> This summer I brought a quiz with me to the summer-meeting of
> the Danish
> Donaldist Society. One of the sections in this quiz was about
> geography in
> Barks' stories. The task was to tell what real place/country
> the Ducks went
> to in 10 different stories - one place/country in each story.
Sounds like a interesting quiz. Maybe you could mention which other 9
stories you choose...
> One of these
> stories was FC 256-2 - "Luck of the North". Afterwards, when
> I told everyone
> the correct answers, David Gerstein surprised everyone by
> telling us that in
> the US-version of this story the Ducks is said to go Alaska - not to
> Greenland as told in the Nordic prints of this story.
>
> So, what's correct then? Normally I'd say that the original version is
> correct, but this time I am not sure about that at all. Not
> that I don't
> trust Barks. It's just that I have this strange feeling that the US
> publisher's for some reason may have altered/censored this
> story at this point.
>
> So, what possibilities that IMO are left is Alaska and
> Greenland. What facts
> does the US-print of this story provide to help us point out
> one of these
> places as the correct one?
> a) The name and position on the map points out Alaska.
Barks mentions latitude 70 north by latitude 167 west several times in the
story.
I looked those coordinates up at http://www.mapquest.com/ and:
http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?latlongtype=decimal&latitude=70&longitu
de=-167
After zooming out you will find out that it's indeed near Alaska.
I wonder if an editor had changed the name of the country why this does
point out to Alaska, coincidence? :-)
> b) The natives live in igloo's (ice-houses) *not* in wooden houses.
> c) The natives are using Kayaks when they travel at sea.
> d) The natives are drawn like, dressed like and are called Eskimos.
> e) At sea the Ducks find an iceberg with a Viking-ship frozen in it.
>
> So what does this tell us? The facts mentioned in a) are
> easily changeable
> and ARE changed in the European versions compared to the
> US-one. Thus IMO
> this really tells us nothing.
In the Netherlands the thing changed is that it's not 70 north but 75 north,
small difference.
> b), c) and d) does IMO clearly point towards Greenland.
> Even though it's theoretical possible for an iceberg to drift of from
> Greenland to the Alaska area it doesn't seem very plausible.
> But if that was
> barks' idea I find it strange that it doesn't confuse the
> Ducks to discover
> a Viking-ship in an area the Vikings as far as is known,
> never visited or explored.
In the end of the story DD+HDL find a map on the old viking ship and HDL say
to DD (who almost tears up the map):
"This is an old Norse map of North America- drawn hundreds of years before
the time of Columbus!"
So the Vikings must have visited the area otherwise they couldn't make a
map...
> Thus IMO also e) clearly seems to point out
> Greenland as the land
> in the north that is shown in "Luck of the North".
Well IMO it still is Alaska. I don't know enough about your points b, c or d
so I cannot argue about those.
Anyway I had some fun reading the story again and in improving my geography
knowledge, thank you Sigvald!
> Well, I don't know, but what IMO is pretty sure though is that the
> INDUCKS/COA presentation of this story needs to be updated.
Maybe the English description "DD fools GL to go to North Pole with fake
uranium mine map" could be changed indeed...
-- Roy
PS Sigvalds link to COA contained an extra character at the end, try this
instead:
http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/W+OS++256-02//Luck_+of_+the_+North
> This summer I brought a quiz with me to the summer-meeting of
> the Danish
> Donaldist Society. One of the sections in this quiz was about
> geography in
> Barks' stories. The task was to tell what real place/country
> the Ducks went
> to in 10 different stories - one place/country in each story.
Sounds like a interesting quiz. Maybe you could mention which other 9
stories you choose...
> One of these
> stories was FC 256-2 - "Luck of the North". Afterwards, when
> I told everyone
> the correct answers, David Gerstein surprised everyone by
> telling us that in
> the US-version of this story the Ducks is said to go Alaska - not to
> Greenland as told in the Nordic prints of this story.
>
> So, what's correct then? Normally I'd say that the original version is
> correct, but this time I am not sure about that at all. Not
> that I don't
> trust Barks. It's just that I have this strange feeling that the US
> publisher's for some reason may have altered/censored this
> story at this point.
>
> So, what possibilities that IMO are left is Alaska and
> Greenland. What facts
> does the US-print of this story provide to help us point out
> one of these
> places as the correct one?
> a) The name and position on the map points out Alaska.
Barks mentions latitude 70 north by latitude 167 west several times in the
story.
I looked those coordinates up at http://www.mapquest.com/ and:
http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?latlongtype=decimal&latitude=70&longitu
de=-167
After zooming out you will find out that it's indeed near Alaska.
I wonder if an editor had changed the name of the country why this does
point out to Alaska, coincidence? :-)
> b) The natives live in igloo's (ice-houses) *not* in wooden houses.
> c) The natives are using Kayaks when they travel at sea.
> d) The natives are drawn like, dressed like and are called Eskimos.
> e) At sea the Ducks find an iceberg with a Viking-ship frozen in it.
>
> So what does this tell us? The facts mentioned in a) are
> easily changeable
> and ARE changed in the European versions compared to the
> US-one. Thus IMO
> this really tells us nothing.
In the Netherlands the thing changed is that it's not 70 north but 75 north,
small difference.
> b), c) and d) does IMO clearly point towards Greenland.
> Even though it's theoretical possible for an iceberg to drift of from
> Greenland to the Alaska area it doesn't seem very plausible.
> But if that was
> barks' idea I find it strange that it doesn't confuse the
> Ducks to discover
> a Viking-ship in an area the Vikings as far as is known,
> never visited or explored.
In the end of the story DD+HDL find a map on the old viking ship and HDL say
to DD (who almost tears up the map):
"This is an old Norse map of North America- drawn hundreds of years before
the time of Columbus!"
So the Vikings must have visited the area otherwise they couldn't make a
map...
> Thus IMO also e) clearly seems to point out
> Greenland as the land
> in the north that is shown in "Luck of the North".
Well IMO it still is Alaska. I don't know enough about your points b, c or d
so I cannot argue about those.
Anyway I had some fun reading the story again and in improving my geography
knowledge, thank you Sigvald!
> Well, I don't know, but what IMO is pretty sure though is that the
> INDUCKS/COA presentation of this story needs to be updated.
Maybe the English description "DD fools GL to go to North Pole with fake
uranium mine map" could be changed indeed...
-- Roy
PS Sigvalds link to COA contained an extra character at the end, try this
instead:
http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/W+OS++256-02//Luck_+of_+the_+North
Timo Ronkainen
Geography in Luck of the North
Message 519 -
2003-08-20 at 13:04:48
Sigvald:
>Even though it's theoretical possible for an iceberg to drift of from
>Greenland to the Alaska area it doesn't seem very plausible.
This particular story was reprinted in Finland quite resently in a hard
cover collection with new translation (using Alaska instead of Greenland).
Collection had an expert preface by Finnish adventurer, mountain climber
Veikka Gustafsson, where he mentioned that currents can drift icebergs
pretty far from their "place of birth".
>But if that was barks' idea I find it strange that it doesn?t confuse the
>Ducks to discover
>a Viking-ship in an area the Vikings as far as is known, never visited or
>explored.
Vikings indeed went amazingly far, in each direction, west, nort, south,
east. They sailed to northen part of America and visited quite certainly in
Alaska too. I bet Barks found out these theories and facts out of National
Geography.
Timo
^^''*''^^
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>Even though it's theoretical possible for an iceberg to drift of from
>Greenland to the Alaska area it doesn't seem very plausible.
This particular story was reprinted in Finland quite resently in a hard
cover collection with new translation (using Alaska instead of Greenland).
Collection had an expert preface by Finnish adventurer, mountain climber
Veikka Gustafsson, where he mentioned that currents can drift icebergs
pretty far from their "place of birth".
>But if that was barks' idea I find it strange that it doesn?t confuse the
>Ducks to discover
>a Viking-ship in an area the Vikings as far as is known, never visited or
>explored.
Vikings indeed went amazingly far, in each direction, west, nort, south,
east. They sailed to northen part of America and visited quite certainly in
Alaska too. I bet Barks found out these theories and facts out of National
Geography.
Timo
^^''*''^^
Cartoonist - writer - donaldist -
Timo Ronkainen ---------------- -
YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- -
20540 Turku ------------------- -
Finland ----------------------- -
timoro at hotmail.com
timoro at sunpoint.net
?? Personal:
http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/
?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus:
http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/
?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali:
http://www.kvaak.fi
.................................
"Rumble on, buxom bumble bee!
Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!"
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Daniel Van Eijmeren
Barks's Geography's Founders watercolor
Message 520 -
2003-08-20 at 13:07:33
THERESA WIEGERT, 19-08-2003:
> Since I'm getting more and more senile by every second,
Ah, my secret backward messages are beginning to work... :-)
> I don't remember who sent the link to the Barks-aquarelle with
> the duck physicists arguing about the nature of the Earth,
See: http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-August/024401.html
> yes, I *could* look at archives, but since I'm writing anyway:
It's of course always best to let *others* do the searching, while you
are writing. (I'm sorry, this is always my impression when I read such
comments.)
> The picture is gorgeous, but oh so tiny - does anyone have a scan
> with better resolution?
Yes, but first I have to show off some knowledge. :-) The watercolor is
titled "Geography's Founders" (80-02). It's part of Barks's extensive
series "Famous Figures of History as They Might Have Looked Had Their
Genes Gotten Mixed with Waterfowl".
http://www.seriesam.com/barks/ndw_8002gf.jpg (153kb)
Scan is submitted by Gerd Syllwasschy, 21 December 2001.
It's taken from Barks's Animal Quackers paintings book.
On his BarksBase site, Gerd has a splendid overview of Barks's
non-Disney watercolors: http://www.barksbase.de/english/bbhc.htm
--- Dani?l
> Since I'm getting more and more senile by every second,
Ah, my secret backward messages are beginning to work... :-)
> I don't remember who sent the link to the Barks-aquarelle with
> the duck physicists arguing about the nature of the Earth,
See: http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-August/024401.html
> yes, I *could* look at archives, but since I'm writing anyway:
It's of course always best to let *others* do the searching, while you
are writing. (I'm sorry, this is always my impression when I read such
comments.)
> The picture is gorgeous, but oh so tiny - does anyone have a scan
> with better resolution?
Yes, but first I have to show off some knowledge. :-) The watercolor is
titled "Geography's Founders" (80-02). It's part of Barks's extensive
series "Famous Figures of History as They Might Have Looked Had Their
Genes Gotten Mixed with Waterfowl".
http://www.seriesam.com/barks/ndw_8002gf.jpg (153kb)
Scan is submitted by Gerd Syllwasschy, 21 December 2001.
It's taken from Barks's Animal Quackers paintings book.
On his BarksBase site, Gerd has a splendid overview of Barks's
non-Disney watercolors: http://www.barksbase.de/english/bbhc.htm
--- Dani?l
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Google / Rosa's Chavalier Noir
Message 521 -
2003-08-20 at 13:56:06
OLAF S*LSTRAND to SIGVALD GROSFJELD, 17-08-2003:
> Also, I'm writing this because I know it will make me a much more
> popular Disney artist. Why is that? Well, one more DCML post gives
> one more Google hit.
I won't help you. And most certainly not after seeing your sun-glasses
photo (http://www.andebyonline.com/olaf). There you look as if you
already *have* won the "Giant Google Web Poll 2003". Hrmphf!
So, as you can see on top of this email, I'm now "censoring" your name
from now on! :-)
> But... don't EVERYBODY use own characters? Does Don Rosa show
> disrespect of Barks for using Le Chavalier Noir in a few stories?
What happened with that French villain? Will he return? I think he
had lots of story possibilities.
--- Dani?l van Eijmeren, searching for his own sun-glasses
BTW. Is the character "?" the same as "e", in Google? I always wonder
how search machines handle such familiar-looking, but non-standard
characters.
> Also, I'm writing this because I know it will make me a much more
> popular Disney artist. Why is that? Well, one more DCML post gives
> one more Google hit.
I won't help you. And most certainly not after seeing your sun-glasses
photo (http://www.andebyonline.com/olaf). There you look as if you
already *have* won the "Giant Google Web Poll 2003". Hrmphf!
So, as you can see on top of this email, I'm now "censoring" your name
from now on! :-)
> But... don't EVERYBODY use own characters? Does Don Rosa show
> disrespect of Barks for using Le Chavalier Noir in a few stories?
What happened with that French villain? Will he return? I think he
had lots of story possibilities.
--- Dani?l van Eijmeren, searching for his own sun-glasses
BTW. Is the character "?" the same as "e", in Google? I always wonder
how search machines handle such familiar-looking, but non-standard
characters.
Gary Leach
DCML Digest, Vol 6, Issue 53
Message 522 -
2003-08-20 at 14:26:44
Dane:
> Perhaps that would explain why the television with "Zorro" playing on
> it was
> changed to "El Pollo" in the Gemstone version of "The Three
> Caballeros"?
That deletion was made because Disney has no current agreements with
the owners of Zorro over the use of Zorro.
Rodney, Harry:
Strips already formatted and published as comic book stories are a gray
area, and we will be seeking clarification on that.
Gary
> Perhaps that would explain why the television with "Zorro" playing on
> it was
> changed to "El Pollo" in the Gemstone version of "The Three
> Caballeros"?
That deletion was made because Disney has no current agreements with
the owners of Zorro over the use of Zorro.
Rodney, Harry:
Strips already formatted and published as comic book stories are a gray
area, and we will be seeking clarification on that.
Gary
Gary Leach
On strips
Message 523 -
2003-08-20 at 14:43:22
Eta:
> "Guys, just forget about seeing Gottfredson's classic mouse
> reprinted in english language ever again..."
>
> Gary, am I being pessimistic or just plain realistic ?
Don't blame you for being perturbed, but I don't believe anyone at
Disney is thinking in such drastic terms. These days, perhaps more than
ever before, Disney wants every property to count, and if classic
Gottfredson Mickey has an audience they'll be more than happy to see
that they're served - under the proper terms and conditions, of course.
(Aye, there's the rub!)
Gary
> "Guys, just forget about seeing Gottfredson's classic mouse
> reprinted in english language ever again..."
>
> Gary, am I being pessimistic or just plain realistic ?
Don't blame you for being perturbed, but I don't believe anyone at
Disney is thinking in such drastic terms. These days, perhaps more than
ever before, Disney wants every property to count, and if classic
Gottfredson Mickey has an audience they'll be more than happy to see
that they're served - under the proper terms and conditions, of course.
(Aye, there's the rub!)
Gary
Daniel Van Eijmeren
"Barksing " of non-Barks stories / remounting (Gemstone)
Message 524 -
2003-08-20 at 18:05:43
FRANCESCO SPREAFICO, 17-08-2003:
> - Stories written and drawn by Romano Scarpa: there are so many
> classical stories from the Fifties (Both Ducks and Mice!) not
> published by Gladstone... each one of them should be published in
> a nice edition and with a good translation (possibily without
> "barks-in' 'em up" as it happenned with the "Colossus of Rhodes"
> years ago... if there are no references to Barks in a story let's
> not make them up, that's my opinion).
This is my opinion, too. I strongly disagree with tranlations that
try to change the original intention of a story, like putting
references to Barks into them.
I'd rather read the story without such "Barks approval", because I
want to see how other artists and writers treat the Disney characters.
That's impossible if non-Barks stories are treaten this way.
> Since there is now this new pocket "Take-Along" comic book, it seems
> to me that it would be the best place where to publish Scarpa (or
> any Italian 3-tiered stories), so there would be no need to remount
> 3-tiers into 4-tiers.
Remounting page layouts is one of the worst things that can happen to
a story, IMO. I cannot recall having seen a story that looked "right"
after remounting.
The 3-tier version of Barks's "Kite Weather" (WDC 42) is a nice
exception, but that's because it's a reconstruction of how the story
would have been if it wasn't remounted to 4-tiers in the 1940s.
It's not a definite reconstruction, though, because redrawn art has
been used on some places.
Still, I find it much more attractive than the "original" 4-tier
version, which looks horrible to me. This already was the case
before I knew that the story was remounted.
--- Dani?l
> - Stories written and drawn by Romano Scarpa: there are so many
> classical stories from the Fifties (Both Ducks and Mice!) not
> published by Gladstone... each one of them should be published in
> a nice edition and with a good translation (possibily without
> "barks-in' 'em up" as it happenned with the "Colossus of Rhodes"
> years ago... if there are no references to Barks in a story let's
> not make them up, that's my opinion).
This is my opinion, too. I strongly disagree with tranlations that
try to change the original intention of a story, like putting
references to Barks into them.
I'd rather read the story without such "Barks approval", because I
want to see how other artists and writers treat the Disney characters.
That's impossible if non-Barks stories are treaten this way.
> Since there is now this new pocket "Take-Along" comic book, it seems
> to me that it would be the best place where to publish Scarpa (or
> any Italian 3-tiered stories), so there would be no need to remount
> 3-tiers into 4-tiers.
Remounting page layouts is one of the worst things that can happen to
a story, IMO. I cannot recall having seen a story that looked "right"
after remounting.
The 3-tier version of Barks's "Kite Weather" (WDC 42) is a nice
exception, but that's because it's a reconstruction of how the story
would have been if it wasn't remounted to 4-tiers in the 1940s.
It's not a definite reconstruction, though, because redrawn art has
been used on some places.
Still, I find it much more attractive than the "original" 4-tier
version, which looks horrible to me. This already was the case
before I knew that the story was remounted.
--- Dani?l
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Help needed for script...
Message 525 -
2003-08-20 at 18:57:50
OLAF SOLSTRAND, 18-08-2003:
> Still working on this script of mine, [...] ...still, I need MORE help.
> [...] I realize by writing this that many may find me WAY off-topic,
> but as I need this information for a Disney comic, and know that
> everybody here is kind and helpful, I give it my best shot.
> Unfortunately I have no knowledge of great opera mailing lists
> online... :-(
I think there's no reason at all to apologize, or to be reluctant.
You're writing a script, so your email is as on-topic as can be.
I find it interesting to hear what a creator currently is working on.
I hope you'll keep us informed about the results of this "opera" story.
--- Dani?l
> Still working on this script of mine, [...] ...still, I need MORE help.
> [...] I realize by writing this that many may find me WAY off-topic,
> but as I need this information for a Disney comic, and know that
> everybody here is kind and helpful, I give it my best shot.
> Unfortunately I have no knowledge of great opera mailing lists
> online... :-(
I think there's no reason at all to apologize, or to be reluctant.
You're writing a script, so your email is as on-topic as can be.
I find it interesting to hear what a creator currently is working on.
I hope you'll keep us informed about the results of this "opera" story.
--- Dani?l