>But why must there be consistency? I don't see a problem with having
>different "versions" of various characters, assuming it's not
>overdone, and there is a
>reason for such versions. (For instance, Peg Leg Pete becoming a >suburban car
>salesman in the "Goof Troop" cartoon.)
I couldn't agree with this more. As long as the characters adhere to the basic character traits that they were assigned, it's okay to stray from the Barks (or Gottfredson in the case of mice) ways. Some people may not personally like the stories that stray from those paths, but the odds are that the following story in the book *will* meet your expectations.
As soon as we assign strict continuity to Disney comics is when they become no better than the super hero books that clutter up the comic shops.
rodney.
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Rodney-selfhelpbikeco
Character consistency
Message 271 -
2003-08-13 at 15:48:55
Mateusz Lis
Web polls
Message 272 -
2003-08-13 at 16:01:41
Shad Z. wrote:
> Sorry, but your conclusion is unwarrented.
I simplificated my statement. It was not only based on the results of this
poll but also:
- Internet forums
- other websites
- other polls on other websites
- a lot of mails I got since I have my own website
- kids' conversetion I sometimes hear on the streets
- conversation with friends, who are (or were) Disney fans.
> Since you have a web site,
> you really should be aware that Web Polls are totally non-scientific
> and you can't really draw any conclusions from them.
But there is a big difference between 132 votes for DR and 52 for CB, right?
> The results of
> your poll do not mean that Don Rosa is the most popular Disney creator
> in Poland, they just mean that Don Rosa is the most popular Disney
> creator among the set of people who:
> 1. have internet access
> 2. read Polish
> 3. have enought interest in Disney Comics to have found your web site
> while the poll was being conducted.
>
> You can't statistically say this group of people is representative
> of the population of Poland.
Disney comics are not read by whole population of Poland. Visitors of my
website indeed don't represent all readers of Disney comics in Poland but
there is a big difference between 132 votes for DR and 52 for CB, right?
> And I'm not even bringing up the fact that it is fairly easy for
> a determined hacker to defeat whatever security you may have had
> and vote multiple times, further skewing the results.
I don't know who would like to change the results of this poll. And I was
checking the results almost ever day.
But I'm still almost sure that Don Rosa is more popular than Carl Barks in
Poland. I think Maciek Kur (who is on holidays now) would agree with me.
Mateusz Lis
> Sorry, but your conclusion is unwarrented.
I simplificated my statement. It was not only based on the results of this
poll but also:
- Internet forums
- other websites
- other polls on other websites
- a lot of mails I got since I have my own website
- kids' conversetion I sometimes hear on the streets
- conversation with friends, who are (or were) Disney fans.
> Since you have a web site,
> you really should be aware that Web Polls are totally non-scientific
> and you can't really draw any conclusions from them.
But there is a big difference between 132 votes for DR and 52 for CB, right?
> The results of
> your poll do not mean that Don Rosa is the most popular Disney creator
> in Poland, they just mean that Don Rosa is the most popular Disney
> creator among the set of people who:
> 1. have internet access
> 2. read Polish
> 3. have enought interest in Disney Comics to have found your web site
> while the poll was being conducted.
>
> You can't statistically say this group of people is representative
> of the population of Poland.
Disney comics are not read by whole population of Poland. Visitors of my
website indeed don't represent all readers of Disney comics in Poland but
there is a big difference between 132 votes for DR and 52 for CB, right?
> And I'm not even bringing up the fact that it is fairly easy for
> a determined hacker to defeat whatever security you may have had
> and vote multiple times, further skewing the results.
I don't know who would like to change the results of this poll. And I was
checking the results almost ever day.
But I'm still almost sure that Don Rosa is more popular than Carl Barks in
Poland. I think Maciek Kur (who is on holidays now) would agree with me.
Mateusz Lis
Mateusz Lis
About popularity of creators
Message 273 -
2003-08-13 at 16:01:43
Timo:
> No Barks collections? Huh.. I hope there'll be soon.
> How long you have had Disney comics weekly in Poland now? And how
> long they
> have printed credits?
"Kaczor Donald" has changed from be-weekly to weekly on on 10th of June,
1997
Editors put credits since issue 23/98 (10th June 1998)
> Did you have any other options? How many votes those other creators got?
Marco Rota - 3%
Romano Scarpa - 3%
William Van Horn - 3%
Daan Jippes - 3%
Ferioli - 2 %
Rodriques - 2 %
Other - 13 %
I did not include such masters like Paul Murry or Floyd Gottfredson, because
their work is not well known here. And I forgot to include Giorgio Cavazzano
in this poll. :-(
Mateusz Lis
> No Barks collections? Huh.. I hope there'll be soon.
> How long you have had Disney comics weekly in Poland now? And how
> long they
> have printed credits?
"Kaczor Donald" has changed from be-weekly to weekly on on 10th of June,
1997
Editors put credits since issue 23/98 (10th June 1998)
> Did you have any other options? How many votes those other creators got?
Marco Rota - 3%
Romano Scarpa - 3%
William Van Horn - 3%
Daan Jippes - 3%
Ferioli - 2 %
Rodriques - 2 %
Other - 13 %
I did not include such masters like Paul Murry or Floyd Gottfredson, because
their work is not well known here. And I forgot to include Giorgio Cavazzano
in this poll. :-(
Mateusz Lis
JTorci3511
"Most worthy mouse tale?"
Message 274 -
2003-08-13 at 16:14:53
David Gerstein writes:
"B-b-but... "The Egg Collector" actually did see print in the USA--
back in 1998, in WDC&S 625! A search at some local comic store should turn
it up. In retrospect, not exactly my most worthy mouse tale."
Ah, but David... that's only because YOU'VE become much better at your craft!
And that's big plus for us all!
"yer pal" Joe Torcivia
"B-b-but... "The Egg Collector" actually did see print in the USA--
back in 1998, in WDC&S 625! A search at some local comic store should turn
it up. In retrospect, not exactly my most worthy mouse tale."
Ah, but David... that's only because YOU'VE become much better at your craft!
And that's big plus for us all!
"yer pal" Joe Torcivia
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Character consistency
Message 275 -
2003-08-13 at 16:30:38
RODNEY BOWCOCK to DANE HOG, 132-08-2003
> As long as the characters adhere to the basic character traits that
> they were assigned, it's okay to stray from the Barks (or Gottfredson
> in the case of mice) ways.
I find it enjoyable when characters temporary go out-of-character, as
part of a (good) story plot.
For example:
- Gladstone having bad luck
- Donald being a millionaire
- Scrooge being bankrupt
I find it interesting to see how the characters behave and interact in
such exceptional situations. Like the reader, they're not used to their
different status and they have to find a solution in an everyday world
that suddenly is strange to them.
--- Dani?l
> As long as the characters adhere to the basic character traits that
> they were assigned, it's okay to stray from the Barks (or Gottfredson
> in the case of mice) ways.
I find it enjoyable when characters temporary go out-of-character, as
part of a (good) story plot.
For example:
- Gladstone having bad luck
- Donald being a millionaire
- Scrooge being bankrupt
I find it interesting to see how the characters behave and interact in
such exceptional situations. Like the reader, they're not used to their
different status and they have to find a solution in an everyday world
that suddenly is strange to them.
--- Dani?l
JTorci3511
Elvis vs. hip-hop -- Blum vs. Barks
Message 276 -
2003-08-13 at 17:17:57
Sigvald (I think, following a lengthy thread) wrote:
>>Elvis Presley did what was modern music from the 1950's until the 1970's.
What many of you here seems to say, is that if someone had access to some
old lyrics written by Elvis, that had never previously been used in any
song, some modern artist could use those lyrics in a modern (2003) hip-hop
context and still claim to be honest and respectful towards Elvis. I guess
most true Elvis-fans wouldn't agree to that, they would instead have wanted
those lyrics to be used with music of classical Elvis style. Got my point
now?>>
Well, I understand the analogy, but can't view it as a suitable one.
While "Elvis Style Ballads and Rock and Roll" and hip-hop might strictly both
be considered "music", most Elvis stalwarts would probably consider hip-hop
an aberrant form of music -- or, perhaps not even music at all. No doubt
something similar would apply in the reverse.
In comic books there is no such dramatic schism. While (say) Marvel Comics
may not be to the taste of some of the members of this list, they could not be
as aberrant as the foul-mouthed perversion of the English language by a
gun-toting, jewelry laden rapper would seem to one who holds "Love Me Tender" as an
anthem! And, with the recent appearance of Mickey as "Spider-Mouse" in WDC&S
# 635, that gulf becomes smaller still.
If there were ever an aberrant form of comic book storytelling, in my
opinion, it would be that of the "underground movement". And amazingly (...though I
doubt this was ever his intention) Don Rosa has even brought elements of that
closer to the classic Barksian style.
So, when one speaks of "Elvis vs. hip-hop" to support a claim of "Blum vs.
Barks" or even "Blum vs. Rosa", it's NOT a true analogy because Barks, Rosa, and
Blum are working in the SAME exact medium, with the SAME exact set of
characters, and the SAME "core set of concepts" that Barks created. Not an aberrant
outgrowth of that medium and those characters and concepts.
I must say that Blum is in no way disrespectful to Barks by merely attempting
an approach to trends and technologies that did not exist during Barks'
active writing period -- and that Rosa makes a dedicated effort (...his right, of
course) to keep his stories free from.
Blum is merely offering us something different! Some Starbucks, alongside
our Maxwell House and Folgers. And there's nothing at all wrong with that!
Joe Torcivia.
>>Elvis Presley did what was modern music from the 1950's until the 1970's.
What many of you here seems to say, is that if someone had access to some
old lyrics written by Elvis, that had never previously been used in any
song, some modern artist could use those lyrics in a modern (2003) hip-hop
context and still claim to be honest and respectful towards Elvis. I guess
most true Elvis-fans wouldn't agree to that, they would instead have wanted
those lyrics to be used with music of classical Elvis style. Got my point
now?>>
Well, I understand the analogy, but can't view it as a suitable one.
While "Elvis Style Ballads and Rock and Roll" and hip-hop might strictly both
be considered "music", most Elvis stalwarts would probably consider hip-hop
an aberrant form of music -- or, perhaps not even music at all. No doubt
something similar would apply in the reverse.
In comic books there is no such dramatic schism. While (say) Marvel Comics
may not be to the taste of some of the members of this list, they could not be
as aberrant as the foul-mouthed perversion of the English language by a
gun-toting, jewelry laden rapper would seem to one who holds "Love Me Tender" as an
anthem! And, with the recent appearance of Mickey as "Spider-Mouse" in WDC&S
# 635, that gulf becomes smaller still.
If there were ever an aberrant form of comic book storytelling, in my
opinion, it would be that of the "underground movement". And amazingly (...though I
doubt this was ever his intention) Don Rosa has even brought elements of that
closer to the classic Barksian style.
So, when one speaks of "Elvis vs. hip-hop" to support a claim of "Blum vs.
Barks" or even "Blum vs. Rosa", it's NOT a true analogy because Barks, Rosa, and
Blum are working in the SAME exact medium, with the SAME exact set of
characters, and the SAME "core set of concepts" that Barks created. Not an aberrant
outgrowth of that medium and those characters and concepts.
I must say that Blum is in no way disrespectful to Barks by merely attempting
an approach to trends and technologies that did not exist during Barks'
active writing period -- and that Rosa makes a dedicated effort (...his right, of
course) to keep his stories free from.
Blum is merely offering us something different! Some Starbucks, alongside
our Maxwell House and Folgers. And there's nothing at all wrong with that!
Joe Torcivia.
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
One mail - many topics!
Message 277 -
2003-08-13 at 17:33:13
Daniel van Eijmeren <dve at kabelfoon.nl> wrote:
>> Not a "Rosa-fact", just a "Rosa-opinion" and
>> thus a very qualified opinion ? not because
>> he is a great artist himself, but because he
>> has read and studied Barks' stories for almost
>> 50 years.
>
> Still, that doesn't turn Don Rosa into Carl
> Barks, or vice versa.
Correct! I have never seen it that way either!
> You seem to think they're interchangeable.
> That's my point. They're two *different*'
> persons, with *different* views, and
> *different* perceptions.
Off course, even though their opinions and views most often are the same.
> Carl Barks = Carl Barks
> Don Rosa = Don Rosa
>
> And there are many *more* Barks experts who
> have their own qualified opinion on Barks. Don'
> Rosa certainly isn't the only one. Can you
> accept that, Sigvald? Yes or no?
Off course I do. Our friend Rob Klein is such an expert!
> SIGVALD GROSFJELD to MARK S., 12-08-2003:
>
>> What has this Archie to do with Poirot or
>> Ms Marple who was used in my example?
>
> What has Poirot or Ms Marple to do with
> Carl Barks?
I just wanted to use Agatha Christie as an other example of an old master -
just like Barks.
>> Anyway let me give you all a new example:
>
> New homework? Does it really make you crazy
> if people just don't agree with you?
No I have no problems if people doesn't agree with me. What I do react to is
when people uses their disagreement with me to attack my person (fx. by
acusing me for being insulting towards someone, or for harming the
atmosphere here in DCML).
> Is that so difficult to accept?
What do you mean? The only opinions that sometimes seems to be difficult to
be accepted in general here, is some of mine.
> Why do you need to go on and on with your
> attempts to make clear that something is wrong
> with (this time) Blum's opinion and intentions?
Because people (in this case you) keeps arguing with me about it.
> You sound as if you have something against
> Blum in a personal way. Blum must bleed for
> something, it seems. Why are you doing this,
> Sigvald?
Then I have been misunderstood. It's not Blums' person I have cristisized,
only his style and his policy towards my idols Barks and Rosa. And please
let me add that my reactions is based upon the way his story about the dime
was presented in DD&Co last year, and the fact that he accidentaly or
delibratly *ignored* Ms Quackfasters first name that was first mentioned by
Don Rosa. As I have told you before Blum had easy access to I.N.D.U.C.K.S.
and should IMO have found this name. The situation was different 11-13 years
ago when DR needed the name for $crooges grandfather. That's why I don't
blame Don for that mistake. Still I judge both DR and Blum by the same
standards. Furthermore I have already, as you probably know, accepted to
read ACs articles conserning Blum - that may change my views.
>> Elvis Presley did what was modern music from
>> the 1950's until the 1970's. [...]
>
> Who's the first to fall into this trap?
> Let's hide in the bushes and see!
>
> But in case anyone is really interested in
> hairsplitting this new example, please go to
> an Elvis Presley mailing list or elsewhere.
> This is OFF-TOPIC!
Have you run out of contra-arguments now?
Sigvald
>> Not a "Rosa-fact", just a "Rosa-opinion" and
>> thus a very qualified opinion ? not because
>> he is a great artist himself, but because he
>> has read and studied Barks' stories for almost
>> 50 years.
>
> Still, that doesn't turn Don Rosa into Carl
> Barks, or vice versa.
Correct! I have never seen it that way either!
> You seem to think they're interchangeable.
> That's my point. They're two *different*'
> persons, with *different* views, and
> *different* perceptions.
Off course, even though their opinions and views most often are the same.
> Carl Barks = Carl Barks
> Don Rosa = Don Rosa
>
> And there are many *more* Barks experts who
> have their own qualified opinion on Barks. Don'
> Rosa certainly isn't the only one. Can you
> accept that, Sigvald? Yes or no?
Off course I do. Our friend Rob Klein is such an expert!
> SIGVALD GROSFJELD to MARK S., 12-08-2003:
>
>> What has this Archie to do with Poirot or
>> Ms Marple who was used in my example?
>
> What has Poirot or Ms Marple to do with
> Carl Barks?
I just wanted to use Agatha Christie as an other example of an old master -
just like Barks.
>> Anyway let me give you all a new example:
>
> New homework? Does it really make you crazy
> if people just don't agree with you?
No I have no problems if people doesn't agree with me. What I do react to is
when people uses their disagreement with me to attack my person (fx. by
acusing me for being insulting towards someone, or for harming the
atmosphere here in DCML).
> Is that so difficult to accept?
What do you mean? The only opinions that sometimes seems to be difficult to
be accepted in general here, is some of mine.
> Why do you need to go on and on with your
> attempts to make clear that something is wrong
> with (this time) Blum's opinion and intentions?
Because people (in this case you) keeps arguing with me about it.
> You sound as if you have something against
> Blum in a personal way. Blum must bleed for
> something, it seems. Why are you doing this,
> Sigvald?
Then I have been misunderstood. It's not Blums' person I have cristisized,
only his style and his policy towards my idols Barks and Rosa. And please
let me add that my reactions is based upon the way his story about the dime
was presented in DD&Co last year, and the fact that he accidentaly or
delibratly *ignored* Ms Quackfasters first name that was first mentioned by
Don Rosa. As I have told you before Blum had easy access to I.N.D.U.C.K.S.
and should IMO have found this name. The situation was different 11-13 years
ago when DR needed the name for $crooges grandfather. That's why I don't
blame Don for that mistake. Still I judge both DR and Blum by the same
standards. Furthermore I have already, as you probably know, accepted to
read ACs articles conserning Blum - that may change my views.
>> Elvis Presley did what was modern music from
>> the 1950's until the 1970's. [...]
>
> Who's the first to fall into this trap?
> Let's hide in the bushes and see!
>
> But in case anyone is really interested in
> hairsplitting this new example, please go to
> an Elvis Presley mailing list or elsewhere.
> This is OFF-TOPIC!
Have you run out of contra-arguments now?
Sigvald
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
character consistency
Message 278 -
2003-08-13 at 18:05:45
rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com wrote:
>> But why must there be consistency? I don't see
>> a problem with having different versions of
>> various characters, assuming it's not overdone,
>> and there is a reason for such versions.
>
> I couldn't agree with this more. As long as
> the characters adhere to the basic character
> traits that they were assigned, it's okay to
> stray from the Barks (or Gottfredson in the
> case of mice) ways. Some people may not
> personally like the stories that stray from
> those paths, but the odds are that the
> following story in the book *will* meet your
> expectations.
IMO a tale like "The Life and Times of Pete" would not be a suitable place
for experiments as it should be the biography of the true Pete, not any role
character that he has once be used as in various stories. And I am sure that
there won't be any problems at all doing a great biography for Pete even if
the artist decide to limit him-/herself to Gottfredson/Murry.
> As soon as we assign strict continuity to
> Disney comics is when they become no better
> than the super hero books that clutter up the
> comic shops.
Following a strict timeline actually makes stories more realistic. There are
IMO other, and better reasons for not liking the Marvel Super-Hero stories.
Off course it's possible to do great stories without following a strict
timeline, but in a serious biography as we are discussing now, strict
continuity is IMO unavoidable.
Sigvald
>> But why must there be consistency? I don't see
>> a problem with having different versions of
>> various characters, assuming it's not overdone,
>> and there is a reason for such versions.
>
> I couldn't agree with this more. As long as
> the characters adhere to the basic character
> traits that they were assigned, it's okay to
> stray from the Barks (or Gottfredson in the
> case of mice) ways. Some people may not
> personally like the stories that stray from
> those paths, but the odds are that the
> following story in the book *will* meet your
> expectations.
IMO a tale like "The Life and Times of Pete" would not be a suitable place
for experiments as it should be the biography of the true Pete, not any role
character that he has once be used as in various stories. And I am sure that
there won't be any problems at all doing a great biography for Pete even if
the artist decide to limit him-/herself to Gottfredson/Murry.
> As soon as we assign strict continuity to
> Disney comics is when they become no better
> than the super hero books that clutter up the
> comic shops.
Following a strict timeline actually makes stories more realistic. There are
IMO other, and better reasons for not liking the Marvel Super-Hero stories.
Off course it's possible to do great stories without following a strict
timeline, but in a serious biography as we are discussing now, strict
continuity is IMO unavoidable.
Sigvald
Daniel Van Eijmeren
One mail - many topics!
Message 279 -
2003-08-13 at 18:19:51
SIGVALD GROSFJELD to me, 13-08-2003:
>> You seem to think [Carl Barks and Don Rosa] interchangeable.
>> That's my point. They're two *different*' persons, with
>> *different* views, and *different* perceptions.
> Off course, even though their opinions and views most often
> are the same.
The opinion and views of Carl Barks and Don Rosa often are also
very *different* from each other. That's all I want you to know.
>> But in case anyone is really interested in hairsplitting
>> [Sigvald's] new example, please go to an Elvis Presley mailing
>> list or elsewhere. This is OFF-TOPIC!
> Have you run out of contra-arguments now?
No, certainly not. I just don't want to discuss Elvis Presley on
a Disney Comics Mailing List.
Let's just agree that you dislike Geoffrey Blum's style and policy.
Whatever your reasons may be.
---- Dani?l
>> You seem to think [Carl Barks and Don Rosa] interchangeable.
>> That's my point. They're two *different*' persons, with
>> *different* views, and *different* perceptions.
> Off course, even though their opinions and views most often
> are the same.
The opinion and views of Carl Barks and Don Rosa often are also
very *different* from each other. That's all I want you to know.
>> But in case anyone is really interested in hairsplitting
>> [Sigvald's] new example, please go to an Elvis Presley mailing
>> list or elsewhere. This is OFF-TOPIC!
> Have you run out of contra-arguments now?
No, certainly not. I just don't want to discuss Elvis Presley on
a Disney Comics Mailing List.
Let's just agree that you dislike Geoffrey Blum's style and policy.
Whatever your reasons may be.
---- Dani?l
Danshane
Multiple Personality Ducks
Message 280 -
2003-08-13 at 18:24:04
DANIEL WRITES:
> I find it enjoyable when characters temporary go out-of-character, as
> part of a (good) story plot.
>
> For example:
> - Gladstone having bad luck
> - Donald being a millionaire
> - Scrooge being bankrupt
>
> I find it interesting to see how the characters behave and
> interact in
> such exceptional situations. Like the reader, they're not
> used to their
> different status and they have to find a solution in an
> everyday world
> that suddenly is strange to them.
AND I RESPOND:
I agree that it's fun to see these "fish-out-of-water" scenarios explored, but I don't think that the instances you cite actually change the character traits that Rodney was referring to -- only their circumstances. Gladstone would have to be consistently *unlucky*, and Donald and $crooge would actually have to pull a 'Freaky Friday' and change places psychologically to be completely out of character. Scrooge has been poor and I seem to recall Donald being wealthy in at least one story. And Gladstone's luck has worked against him in at least one instance I know of. But that did not change their basic personas.
Dan
> I find it enjoyable when characters temporary go out-of-character, as
> part of a (good) story plot.
>
> For example:
> - Gladstone having bad luck
> - Donald being a millionaire
> - Scrooge being bankrupt
>
> I find it interesting to see how the characters behave and
> interact in
> such exceptional situations. Like the reader, they're not
> used to their
> different status and they have to find a solution in an
> everyday world
> that suddenly is strange to them.
AND I RESPOND:
I agree that it's fun to see these "fish-out-of-water" scenarios explored, but I don't think that the instances you cite actually change the character traits that Rodney was referring to -- only their circumstances. Gladstone would have to be consistently *unlucky*, and Donald and $crooge would actually have to pull a 'Freaky Friday' and change places psychologically to be completely out of character. Scrooge has been poor and I seem to recall Donald being wealthy in at least one story. And Gladstone's luck has worked against him in at least one instance I know of. But that did not change their basic personas.
Dan
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Multiple Personality Ducks
Message 281 -
2003-08-13 at 19:36:47
DAN SHANE to me, 13-08-2003:
> I agree that it's fun to see these "fish-out-of-water" scenarios
> explored, but I don't think that the instances you cite actually
> change the character traits that Rodney was referring to -- only
> their circumstances.
Agreed. My comment only was intended as an additional thought on
the subject. I should have made that clear.
--- Dani?l
> I agree that it's fun to see these "fish-out-of-water" scenarios
> explored, but I don't think that the instances you cite actually
> change the character traits that Rodney was referring to -- only
> their circumstances.
Agreed. My comment only was intended as an additional thought on
the subject. I should have made that clear.
--- Dani?l
Shad Z.
Web polls
Message 282 -
2003-08-13 at 20:00:46
----- Original Message -----
From: "mateusz lis" <lis- at wp.pl>
> Shad Z. wrote:
> > Sorry, but your conclusion is unwarrented.
>
> I simplificated my statement. It was not only based on the results of this
> poll but also:
> - Internet forums
> - other websites
> - other polls on other websites
> - a lot of mails I got since I have my own website
> - kids' conversetion I sometimes hear on the streets
> - conversation with friends, who are (or were) Disney fans.
Well, that's better. It's just that Web Polls are a pet peeve
of mine. Sure, they are fun, and I usually vote in them when
I run across them, but they are totally self-selected,
unscientific, and no safe generalizations can be made from the
results.
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From: "mateusz lis" <lis- at wp.pl>
> Shad Z. wrote:
> > Sorry, but your conclusion is unwarrented.
>
> I simplificated my statement. It was not only based on the results of this
> poll but also:
> - Internet forums
> - other websites
> - other polls on other websites
> - a lot of mails I got since I have my own website
> - kids' conversetion I sometimes hear on the streets
> - conversation with friends, who are (or were) Disney fans.
Well, that's better. It's just that Web Polls are a pet peeve
of mine. Sure, they are fun, and I usually vote in them when
I run across them, but they are totally self-selected,
unscientific, and no safe generalizations can be made from the
results.
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Katie Sullivan
Hidden Mickey vs. Donald, plus HD&L
Message 283 -
2003-08-13 at 20:58:34
Sigvald wrote:
>You right, the hidden Mickey's is not there to celebrate
>Mickey. Anyway my tip about "hidden Donald's" in this
>connection was not to make that creator
>a Rosa-clone, only a way such a creator could make some
>references to Don Rosa and/or even Barks.
As much as I enjoy spotting the hidden Mickeys in Rosa's
work--the (uncensored) ;-) one in "The Duck Who Never Was" is
probably my favorite--I don't see the point in putting a hidden
tribute to Rosa or Barks in a story about Pete. Rosa's never
used the character. I don't remember Barks having done so
either, but I could be wrong about that. I suppose it would be
just a general compliment to other Disney artists, but I would
think a nod to an artist more closely connected to the Mouse
universe would mean more.
And I've never seen Rosa's hidden Mickeys as a tribute to the
Mouse. I see them as a way of playfully poking fun at him, a
subtle revenge for the fact that Mickey is so much more
prevalent in America than our beloved ducks. I'm constantly
frustrated by the fact that there are Mickey T-shirts, pajamas,
keychains and toys everywhere, but so rarely Donald merchandise!
And Scrooge merchandise? Unless it's an old item leftover from
the DuckTales years or a rare offering in the Disney Store
online catalog, forget about it! As a corporate icon Mickey
steals attention from the (IMHO) more worthy ducks. ;-)
But anyway, I don't see how having Mickey trampled by an
elephant (Lo$) or impaled on broken glass (The Duck Who Never
Was) would qualify as a "tribute!" LOL!!!
(No offense to Mouse fans!) ;-)
Also, that tidbit about Huey, Dewey and Louie's creation was
very interesting! It makes sense that they were made up by a
team of talented people intsead of just one artist, given what
I've read about the workings of the Disney studios in those
days.
(A side note: my mother was watching television the other day
and say someone with the name "Thelma." She commented that it
wasn't a very nice-sounding name. I didn't ask if she preferred
"Della" or "Dumbella." LOL!)
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>You right, the hidden Mickey's is not there to celebrate
>Mickey. Anyway my tip about "hidden Donald's" in this
>connection was not to make that creator
>a Rosa-clone, only a way such a creator could make some
>references to Don Rosa and/or even Barks.
As much as I enjoy spotting the hidden Mickeys in Rosa's
work--the (uncensored) ;-) one in "The Duck Who Never Was" is
probably my favorite--I don't see the point in putting a hidden
tribute to Rosa or Barks in a story about Pete. Rosa's never
used the character. I don't remember Barks having done so
either, but I could be wrong about that. I suppose it would be
just a general compliment to other Disney artists, but I would
think a nod to an artist more closely connected to the Mouse
universe would mean more.
And I've never seen Rosa's hidden Mickeys as a tribute to the
Mouse. I see them as a way of playfully poking fun at him, a
subtle revenge for the fact that Mickey is so much more
prevalent in America than our beloved ducks. I'm constantly
frustrated by the fact that there are Mickey T-shirts, pajamas,
keychains and toys everywhere, but so rarely Donald merchandise!
And Scrooge merchandise? Unless it's an old item leftover from
the DuckTales years or a rare offering in the Disney Store
online catalog, forget about it! As a corporate icon Mickey
steals attention from the (IMHO) more worthy ducks. ;-)
But anyway, I don't see how having Mickey trampled by an
elephant (Lo$) or impaled on broken glass (The Duck Who Never
Was) would qualify as a "tribute!" LOL!!!
(No offense to Mouse fans!) ;-)
Also, that tidbit about Huey, Dewey and Louie's creation was
very interesting! It makes sense that they were made up by a
team of talented people intsead of just one artist, given what
I've read about the workings of the Disney studios in those
days.
(A side note: my mother was watching television the other day
and say someone with the name "Thelma." She commented that it
wasn't a very nice-sounding name. I didn't ask if she preferred
"Della" or "Dumbella." LOL!)
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Rich Bellacera
KATIE: Pete in a Barks story!
Message 284 -
2003-08-13 at 21:00:29
Katie mused:
RE: Pete in a Barks story?
> Rosa's never used the character. I don't remember
> Barks having done so either, but I could be wrong
> about that.
Oh yes, infact at least one story that comes immediately to mind is the
famous "Donald Duck Finds Pirate Gold"
http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?W+OS+9-02
It's the Yellow Beak the Parrot story.
Pete and two rat henchmen are the villains. :-)
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RE: Pete in a Barks story?
> Rosa's never used the character. I don't remember
> Barks having done so either, but I could be wrong
> about that.
Oh yes, infact at least one story that comes immediately to mind is the
famous "Donald Duck Finds Pirate Gold"
http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?W+OS+9-02
It's the Yellow Beak the Parrot story.
Pete and two rat henchmen are the villains. :-)
Thanks,
Rich Bellacera
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Rich Bellacera
KATIE: Pete in Barks again...
Message 285 -
2003-08-13 at 21:29:58
My apologies, I just realized that DD Finds Pirate Gold was actually written by
Bob Karp and only illustrated by Barks, even though Barks is always who I think of
when I think of that story...
Anyhow, I did a quick search in INDUCKS and here's a list of stories written by
Barks featuring Pete:
The Mummy's Ring (W OS 29-01)
Frozen Gold (W OS 62-02)
The Inventors' Contest (W US 28-02)
Rival Boatmen (W WDC 45-02)
The Great Duckburg Frog-Jumping Contest (W WDC 108-02)
Trombone Trouble (XFC ALP 4G)
Northwest Mounted (XFC ALP 4H)
Hope that helps better.
Thanks,
Rich Bellacera
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Bob Karp and only illustrated by Barks, even though Barks is always who I think of
when I think of that story...
Anyhow, I did a quick search in INDUCKS and here's a list of stories written by
Barks featuring Pete:
The Mummy's Ring (W OS 29-01)
Frozen Gold (W OS 62-02)
The Inventors' Contest (W US 28-02)
Rival Boatmen (W WDC 45-02)
The Great Duckburg Frog-Jumping Contest (W WDC 108-02)
Trombone Trouble (XFC ALP 4G)
Northwest Mounted (XFC ALP 4H)
Hope that helps better.
Thanks,
Rich Bellacera
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