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Topic: Fantagraphics to Publish Barks Library in English

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Olivier
I have only thumbed through my copy so far, without noticing any problem (but I wasn't aware there might be).
Having the shorter stories and gags interspersed inbetween the long adventures is rather nice, indeed, but I'm sure there are equal advantages to both sollutions. In any case, the stories can be found easily with the table of contents and numbered pages.
However, done this way (all mixed together), I think it would be great to have the covers at the start of each comic.
MustangRockstar
I'm about a quarter of the way through mine and enjoying it, as expected.
Like the short stories being spread throughout th book, agree that covers before the stories could be a nic touch. Noticed the slightly thinner paper, and a previous poster mentioned, didn't think it was a huge deal.
Would prefer the commentaries accompany the stories for which they were written. Find myself flipping to the back after each story to read the commentary.
Debbie
I think that they seem to be running the Donald Duck/Walt Disney's Comics and Stories (and miscellaneous) volumes differently from the Uncle Scrooge volumes. I do wonder if once they get to Uncle Scrooge issues with Gyro Gearloose shorts if they'll skip them and put them in their own books (I hope not), put them in the order they ran in each issue, or put them in their own section in the back of the books. I also wonder if they'll keep the weird pop-art coloring of the later Gold Key books, or recolor them to match the books that are coming out now. I'm getting ahead of where they are now, I know...I'm looking forward to the next Uncle Scrooge volume even though we still haven't got the next Donald Duck volume yet!)
Is it just me, or does Fantagraphics seem to be pushing the Gottfredson volumes a bit more than the Barks books? The Mickey Mouse series seems to get more publicity than the Donald and Scrooge books. Or is it maybe that Gottfredson's work is just less familiar to most readers, and is having a bigger impact? Either way, I love both series. Gottfredson and Barks are two of my favorite cartoonists ever.
GeoX
Quote from user: DebbieIs it just me, or does Fantagraphics seem to be pushing the Gottfredson volumes a bit more than the Barks books? The Mickey Mouse series seems to get more publicity than the Donald and Scrooge books. Or is it maybe that Gottfredson's work is just less familiar to most readers, and is having a bigger impact?
Not just you--the Gottfredson volumes do indeed seem to be more visible. As you say, I think it's a matter of familiarity more than anything else. Let's face it: I already own almost everything Barks, often in multiple printings. Whereas a non-trivial amount of the Gottfredson has never been reprinted in the US, and even when it has, never as well as it is here.
Robb_K
Quote from user: DebbieI also wonder if they'll keep the weird pop-art coloring of the later Gold Key books, or recolor them to match the books that are coming out now.
I surely hope they colour them like the Dell books rather than Gold Key. I couldn't even read them with that horrible colouring. I never even read any of the Barks Gold Key stories more than the one time after I bought them, and I didn't really enjoy them. I've had them for almost 50 years and not reopened many of them since. Luckily, they've all been printed in The Netherlands with good colouring, and if I want to read Barks' original wording, I can read the black and white versions in The US Carl Barks Library.
Review Or Die
I have both Lost in the Andes and Only a Poor Old Man. I'm very pleased by the changes made in Only a Poor Old Man, putting the stories in order rather than the absolutely baffling choices made for Lost in the Andes, but I'm still sad that the collection is being separated by Scrooge and Donald rather than by strict chronology. It's too late to change it now, I guess, but the volumes are still fairly high quality reprints and the image quality seems great. It would be really nice if the covers for each issue were recolored and not just bonus features in the back, but that's a fairly minor point. I love much about the volumes and it's great that I can introduce my cousins to Barks with this. I'll probably buy the Another Rainbow set someday, way way in the future, but I'll definitely keep on collecting these Fantagraphics reprints.
However... I will say there's absolutely no excuse for the terrible coloring decisions. The final results look plain awful and I sincerely hope that they change it in later volumes.
The new colorist did fine considering he was working off of the originals, I don't blame him in the slightest for his execution, but I do blame the editors. For them to say that they have no other reference for colors is just a flat-out lie. Just look at the paintings and you'll see at least SOME sense of the colors Barks had in mind, outside the obvious artistic license he took by making the coins in the bin gold. Why this bizarre sense of fidelity to comics that were not well colored to begin with, and colored with the intent of being printed in the old dot-style?
Common sense would dictate a uniform color design, as has been the standard for... well, forever. Which is why I am really stumped that the colors are amazingly inconsistent from story to story as a whole, but with the characters especially. I understand a certain level of adherence to the original comics, I suppose, but this doesn't make any sense to me at all. A lot of these decisions seem like the ones where they keep the Terry-Fermites multi-colored. It's pretty clearly misunderstanding the original story's text and intent. I can't comment on the much discussed yellows, but I do notice them used in totally inappropriate places like the <b>sky</b>. That's kind of distracting. And stupid.
But you know what's worse? I am looking at Lost in the Andes' cover right now, and I'm going to list every single coloring mistake I can see that they purposefully left in to match the original comic. It was blown up from a single panel, and this is the image they used to start their collection... and they admitted that they did it wrong on purpose. I will say I have no opinion as to removing the sky from the cover though. I guess.
#1: My only complaint for the top third is not coloring in the rock of the mountain. I suppose this is no different than if they did, since it's colored like gold in the actual panel it's lifted from (Page 31).
#2: Donald's outfit has white buttons and trim, which doesn't track with the painting Barks did of Lost in the Andes that could easily be used as a coloring guide. That may be more a personal pet peeve of mine.
#3: Dewey's cap is the only one colored, which makes even less sense considering he has the least color showing!
#4: Brown grass beneath the Ducks' feet. This wouldn't be so bad if it weren't in the exact same panel as green grass.
#5: Yellow rope, probably because making it brown wouldn't contrast against brown grass.
#6: Green stones in the wall. Not even moss-covered stones, really, just green ones.
I did hear that there were no plans to include Horsing Around With History, King Scrooge the First, or the Junior Woodchucks stuff. That's really a shame, that seems like it would be a very cool volume (or I suppose to some, though I suppose to some it's an appendix *rimshot*) to cap off the series.
Anyway. That's all I have to say about that.
Dutch Duckfan Down Under
My, what's all this about the coloring? There are three ways to color a comic: original coloring, new coloring or no coloring at all.
No color was used in the AR Barks Library (and now also in the FB Gottfredson Library). It makes the artwork look better, because there are no colors to distract you. However, it takes away part of the atmosphere in my opinion.
New color was used in the GL Barks Library (and in all reprints ever). It's stunning, and sometimes it creates a better atmosphere than the original, but it looks too new sometimes. The bold computer colors by Gladstone II and Gemstone were nice, but they take the 50s-ness away from Barks. The stories look like brand new! Which is good, in some way, but when every story uses the same color the art styles look so much alike. When a Barks is colored the same as a Scarpa or an early Vicar, it takes away a bit of the comic.
Original color is used in the FB Barks Library, which I really like. Barks' comics (or any comics, really) are little period pieces and just like them a little better with period coloring. And it doesn't matter what comic we're talking about, I think something can be said for every coloring. Even the 60s Italian coloring in the EU pocket books (actually, I quite like that one). Even Gold Key coloring.

http://coa.inducks.org/hr.php?image=http://outducks.org/renamed/us/dd/00126/us_dd_0126_00_001.jpg&normalsize=1

...okaay, maybe not.

Still, bad as it is, could you imagine Gold Key coloring this any other way? It's very much Gold Key, 1969. And I think Dell coloring 1949-1954 (what we've seen so far) is still really good, compared to Gold Key. Very fresh greens and blues. But that's my opinion.
So cool it now, ya hear!
Lars Jensen
Quote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderNo color was used in the AR Barks Library (and now also in the FB Gottfredson Library). It makes the artwork look better, because there are no colors to distract you. However, it takes away part of the atmosphere in my opinion.
Not in the case of the Gottfredson books. Those daily newspaper strips were meant to be read in black & white, so the atmosphere you get from reading them without color is the atmosphere Gottfredson intended.
Review Or Die
Quote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderMy, what's all this about the coloring? There are three ways to color a comic: original coloring, new coloring or no coloring at all.
No color was used in the AR Barks Library (and now also in the FB Gottfredson Library). It makes the artwork look better, because there are no colors to distract you. However, it takes away part of the atmosphere in my opinion.
New color was used in the GL Barks Library (and in all reprints ever). It's stunning, and sometimes it creates a better atmosphere than the original, but it looks too new sometimes. The bold computer colors by Gladstone II and Gemstone were nice, but they take the 50s-ness away from Barks. The stories look like brand new! Which is good, in some way, but when every story uses the same color the art styles look so much alike. When a Barks is colored the same as a Scarpa or an early Vicar, it takes away a bit of the comic.
Original color is used in the FB Barks Library, which I really like. Barks' comics (or any comics, really) are little period pieces and just like them a little better with period coloring. And it doesn't matter what comic we're talking about, I think something can be said for every coloring. Even the 60s Italian coloring in the EU pocket books (actually, I quite like that one). Even Gold Key coloring.

http://coa.inducks.org/hr.php?image=http://outducks.org/renamed/us/dd/00126/us_dd_0126_00_001.jpg&normalsize=1

...okaay, maybe not.

Still, bad as it is, could you imagine Gold Key coloring this any other way? It's very much Gold Key, 1969. And I think Dell coloring 1949-1954 (what we've seen so far) is still really good, compared to Gold Key. Very fresh greens and blues. But that's my opinion.
So cool it now, ya hear!

Could not disagree more with your comments about them being period pieces and needing period coloring. A good story is a good story is a good story, and this principle never changes. That's why they endure.

The reason those Barks stories look like new with a new colorist is because of his qualities as an artist and a colorist working to highlight that, and the reason they look dated from the 1950s is because the colorists working on Barks' comics were at decent at their job of putting colors on paper.

Further, to people who object to 'changing' the old comics... there is absolutely no difference in principle to having a new coloring versus the old coloring. Barks didn't color them. Someone else did, and I've never heard a kind word from Barks on the end result. The only difference between a new and old coloring job is what the end result looks like, and if you're attempting to reach a broad audience there is absolutely no reason to cater the coloring (of all the ridiculous things) to older fans.

Now, if they want period coloring... I kind of get that. Making them look like the old comics in certain ways is possible. But at least make them consistently colored in their pallet and with the individual characters, and stop coloring the sky yellow of all things.

Edit: It would also be nice if they didn't deliberately leave in mistake, or put the mistakes directly on the cover!
Lars Jensen
Quote from user: Review Or DieFurther, to people who object to 'changing' the old comics... there is absolutely no difference in principle to having a new coloring versus the old coloring. Barks didn't color them. Someone else did, and I've never heard a kind word from Barks on the end result.
Not about the original coloring, perhaps, but Barks did actually state he liked the coloring of the Carl Barks Library in Color.
Review Or Die
Quote from user: Lars JensenQuote from user: Review Or DieFurther, to people who object to 'changing' the old comics... there is absolutely no difference in principle to having a new coloring versus the old coloring. Barks didn't color them. Someone else did, and I've never heard a kind word from Barks on the end result.
Not about the original coloring, perhaps, but Barks did actually state he liked the coloring of the Carl Barks Library in Color.

I didn't know that! Thank you. :) I actually only meant the original coloring because that's all I'd ever heard.
Debbie
Quote from user: Review Or DieI did hear that there were no plans to include Horsing Around With History, King Scrooge the First, or the Junior Woodchucks stuff.
I don't know about the Junior Woodchucks stories, but to leave out "King Scrooge the First", the Vicar comic version of "Go Slowly, Sands of Time" and "Horsing Around With History" would, in my opinion, be a mistake. To me, they are all a part of Barks' Uncle Scrooge cannon. I hope they reconsider, and include the original printing drawn by Tony Strobl, or the redrawn version by Daan Jippes (or even both versions, although that might turn off casual readers).
Robb_K
If they don't want to include stories written by Barks but finished art drawn by Jippes or Vicar, they should, at least put Barks' blueline scribbles of those stories (They look better, in my opinion, than Jippes' finished work. Vicar's work looks little like Barks. Strobl's inkers ruined his Jr. Woodchuck work.
GeoX
Quote from user: Review or DieI did hear that there were no plans to include Horsing Around With History, King Scrooge the First, or the Junior Woodchucks stuff. That's really a shame, that seems like it would be a very cool volume (or I suppose to some, though I suppose to some it's an appendix *rimshot*) to cap off the series.
Citation needed? That would indeed be a huge shame, especially as some of the Woodchucks stuff has never been reprinted in the US. Don't screw this up, Fantagraphics!
Debbie
Quote from user: Robb_KIf they don't want to include stories written by Barks but finished art drawn by Jippes or Vicar, they should, at least put Barks' blueline scribbles of those stories (They look better, in my opinion, than Jippes' finished work. Vicar's work looks little like Barks. Strobl's inkers ruined his Jr. Woodchuck work.
Vicar's work looks a lot like Barks to me, perhaps with a bit less life to it. In trying to do a perfect imitation of another artist's style, analyzing and duplicating it, some of the "life" to it gets lost. Vicar's work was good, but a bit stiff at times. Artists like Jippes and Daniel Branca could do Barksian ducks, that while not perfect copies of Barks, retained that animated feel to them. By the time Tony Strobl drew "King Scrooge", his ducks were closer to "on model" than his 1950's work, but much of that life to them was lost.
Pencil sketch stories would be interesting, but would turn away the casual readers Fantagraphics is trying to reach with these books.
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